I think that 12 million is a bit of an underestimate. Try 100 million and you would be a bit closer to the mark. If it were only 12 million children, it wouldn't become the world's largest economy. Of course, India could still take that badge.
Man... Have you seen that festival in India where the banks of the river are filled up with shitloads of people. And you think, like man, thats a lot of people.
Then you read. Its 30 million pilgrims who show up for the event.
Imagine a World Series with 30 million people in attendance.
I like to call RMS an idealist whose geek factor and high IQ leaves little room for adequate social skills.
If he was not so adament about his values, we would not be where we are today.
I have an old gnome t-shirt from a long while back, it says "GNU/Linux" on it. I think thats pretty cool, but yer right, GNU/Linux doesnt really roll off the toungue easily and sounds kinda awkward.
But maybe the point is for you to explain to new users is how much debt the linux operating system has to the GNU tools, which if it was not for the tireless efforts of Stallman. Well you know. Anyway.
An example would be, I know a group of people who have been using linux pretty exclusivly for about 4 years now. I said to them "Hey, you know RMS, right.."?
blank look.
"Richard Stallman right? RMS?"
More blank.
So I bascially said, hey this guy is pretty much responsible for this computing environment you have been using, and love so dearly. And they said:
"Oh yeah? How so?" All disbelieving like, looking at me like I was a little crazy to suggest that this RMS character I was telling them about had anything to do with Linux.
This is exactly the point I think of what Stallman is saying, as people come along they are going to be less and less in touch with the values, ideas, philosophies and person behind the movement.
Something which, while we may not all love Stallman or whatever, losing touch with his efforts and ideas are a dangerous thing, cos as he said, at the end of "Revolution OS" its all about making the world a better place.
I like Redhat. A bunch of years back I got paranoid about that stuff, similar stuff with the company and stopped using it. I went back to Redhat for 7.2, and I actually feel really good about them. You know why? Cos I trust Alan Cox. He works for them and as soon as they did some shit that was questionable, he would be the first to jump ship. I trust that.
cool. glad you do. was just pointing it out if in case you didnt know.
I meet tons of people who were rockin due to the boom who dont have the insight to check out what went wrong, they jus think the damn tech thing was a scam.
Wow since the movie is good, guess I will have to go check it out, then load up on all those YUMMY Spidey-Berry products lining the supermarket shelves.
So how much does Spidey_Berry figure into the movie? What is it? Radioactive Berries Spidey loves to eat? Some drink Peters mom makes for him? Whats up?
mmmm Spidey Berry, Pop Tarts, Cereal.. What else?
http://www.kelloggs.com/promotions/spiderman/Spi de rman.htm
http://www.digitalwebbing.com/news/042602-7.html
http://www.kosi101.com/kelloggs-contest.html
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Wow, you obviously are not that informed about the issues you are ranting about.
*Some* people are not talking about *stealing*, some people are talking about *fair-use*, some people are talking about being afraid to write code. Do you really think Alan Cox, kernel hacker is a software pirate? Guess what? He is vehemently afraid of those legislations, so much so he will not step foot on American soil. This is the fate of many Open Source devlopers. They are not *stealing* pirates like you suggest.
So I dont know, nor can I tell if you use Linux or not, but um, if you do, there is a code that falls into this arena, which you claim is "anti-everything, stealing, blah blah BS".
So instead of being a sadly misinformed ranty head who obviously loves living in a world of "Oh so they wanna drill for oil in Alaska, or bad stuff is going on in ______, who cares, whats on TV?", if thats the world you prefer, thats cool, just stop voting, and STFU, you are screwing it up for the people that care.
I'm 35 and every day when I hear more news from this group of thugs it pushes me farther and farther away from wanting to support the industry on any level. SSSCA style legislations and essays like these:
make me sick. I know personally two of the bands Albini refers to, and I hate Love, but she presents some numbers that are hard to dismiss, despite the irony of her own career.
She speaks the truth tho.
To make matters worse, travel to Asia and see the fact that it is quite impossible to find a legitimate movie/cd/software package. Then juxtapose that against the fact these nimrods are blaming college kids and want to limit your uses of technology.
This guy has proven time and time again, that he has no clue what makes the computer "Ecosystem" work. from the Homebrew computer club to modern day he has seen the computing phenomenon as a means for him to work out his oedipal agressions. far from the "smartest man in the world", he is a shamless robber hack, who is an agressive capitalist at best.
Why couldn't our companies figure this one out? Why, because it's so much easier to demonize internet users and those (in their eyes) pathetic teenagers that download movies/mp3's/warez. Saying these activities are costing them more and more each year, while out of the other corner of their mouths claiming they have made more money then ever before.
Yeah then freedom/innovation limiting legislation.
Wow.. I was moderating this story, but after reading your post I had to blow this job off and make some statements.
You are grossly misinformed about so many things its hard to figure out where to start.
This 'craving' you infer for US goods is not quite how it goes down. Have you been over to say Asia to see the effects, processes, and forces working to "Americanize" cultures? Or are you just talking out of your ass, a trait so typical of Americans.
An interesting book on the subject is:
'propaganda inc.' details the workings of the State Departments efforts to sell American culture overseas.
People in third world countries are under constant assualt from Corporate forces to *believe* that the USA is better than they could *ever* be. They are continually told from everywhere they stand that their culture is insignificant, and should be rejected in favor of the American way, because as MTV shows them, women are more sexua in America, guys can have big chains, fast cars and multiple chicks, etc.
Dont discredit MTV's effect in making these changes on cultures. after spending a year in Asia I began to realize that MTV is the first wave of assult on cultural mores and traditions, and in selling America the brand to a new generation of consumers (cos thats all these corps want right?) who reject traditions, values and cultures.
Imagine sitting in a village in the country of Laos, a village whose inhabitants lived in caves for 9 years, eating bugs and rats while the US illegally bombed them, dropped napalm on them, preventing them from farming, going outside during the day, etc. Imagine this village, whose streets are lined with the empty shells of cluster bombs line the streets, form the basis of their buildings, whose packages still kill children monthly. Imagine these same people who, when they ask you where you are from, and you say "america" and they tell you:
"Wow, thats the best country in the world.."
Well yeah, I know many people think so. But I dare ya to check out Laos. If you dont feel like village life, check out one of the modern cities. I am sure the forgivness has a bit to do with the buddhist nature of the people as well.
You get this response in a lot of places where America has done some pretty horrible things. Cambodia for instance. But you also get the opposite. Indonesia for example, the people there largely reject American Transnationals. The only support those corps get are from the puppet government we installed there. This is why they are a considered stop in our little "war on terrorism"
But really, the war on terrorism is an excuse to destroy pockets of resistance, to the people who are rejecting this "new world order", corecing those in places who feel skeptical about allowing TNC's full access to the resources, mind share, and pocket books of every corner of the globe.
If you dont believe me, look into the backstories and TNC interests in places we have moved troops in the last 8 months. Then look at that in the face of history. The get back to me and suggest that people in these countries are "begging" for USA. It is only after they have been bludgeoned with the message for so long they finally put a smile on their face, and a nike t-shirt on their chest.
One more thing about MTV. If you dont think that MTV is a strategy in the US interests worldwide, google for a story post 9/11 about how important it is to get MTV into the Arab countries.
From what I can *grok* from the trailers I saw, it should be called:
Episode II: The Search for a Story or
Attack of the Cloned movie.
also, I am really worried about the "The beeotch made me do it" subtext of the story. Call me hyper sensitive or whatever, I just wonder if it is not a limp stilt to stand on.
Russia "made" the 'short-list' because the Wolfowitz doctrine is the Bush doctrine as outlined in this fancy article.
judging by all recent events, things are in fact falling in to place, as outlined. These latest reports are all just part of the 'game'.
We are in fact gaining a strong military presence in the exact area the Wolf Doc details, strategically we have placed ourselves in the center of the cyclone so to speak.
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As long as you see my posting from a *@*redhat* address, don't worry about things like this.
Yup. And Alan Cox. You guys are my barometer.
30 million? Thats a lot of dosed naked hippies!
HAWKWIND!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Man... Have you seen that festival in India where the banks of the river are filled up with shitloads of people. And you think, like man, thats a lot of people.
Then you read. Its 30 million pilgrims who show up for the event.
Imagine a World Series with 30 million people in attendance.
Fest pic one
The greatest show on earth
India is just mind blowing. Those kinds of populations just how insignificant you really are in the scheme of things.
I like to call RMS an idealist whose geek factor and high IQ leaves little room for adequate social skills.
If he was not so adament about his values, we would not be where we are today.
I have an old gnome t-shirt from a long while back, it says "GNU/Linux" on it. I think thats pretty cool, but yer right, GNU/Linux doesnt really roll off the toungue easily and sounds kinda awkward.
But maybe the point is for you to explain to new users is how much debt the linux operating system has to the GNU tools, which if it was not for the tireless efforts of Stallman. Well you know. Anyway.
An example would be, I know a group of people who have been using linux pretty exclusivly for about 4 years now. I said to them "Hey, you know RMS, right.."?
blank look.
"Richard Stallman right? RMS?"
More blank.
So I bascially said, hey this guy is pretty much responsible for this computing environment you have been using, and love so dearly. And they said:
"Oh yeah? How so?" All disbelieving like, looking at me like I was a little crazy to suggest that this RMS character I was telling them about had anything to do with Linux.
This is exactly the point I think of what Stallman is saying, as people come along they are going to be less and less in touch with the values, ideas, philosophies and person behind the movement.
Something which, while we may not all love Stallman or whatever, losing touch with his efforts and ideas are a dangerous thing, cos as he said, at the end of "Revolution OS" its all about making the world a better place.
Speaking of Tibet, who wants to teach open source to Tibetans?
Got an idea a-brewin.
email: oss_tibet@propaganda-arts.org
I like Redhat. A bunch of years back I got paranoid about that stuff, similar stuff with the company and stopped using it. I went back to Redhat for 7.2, and I actually feel really good about them. You know why? Cos I trust Alan Cox. He works for them and as soon as they did some shit that was questionable, he would be the first to jump ship. I trust that.
cool. glad you do. was just pointing it out if in case you didnt know.
I meet tons of people who were rockin due to the boom who dont have the insight to check out what went wrong, they jus think the damn tech thing was a scam.
Thanks for the downside link.
Instead of being a troll you might want to investigate your idiot claims. Do it with google.
o tc on/
I tried: "credit suisse SEC VA Linux", what string can you make up?
Also, the Frontline special "Dot Con" discusses the scam VA Linux got led into.
Watch it. It was all a game.
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/d
Wow since the movie is good, guess I will have to go check it out, then load up on all those YUMMY Spidey-Berry products lining the supermarket shelves.
i de rman.htm
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So how much does Spidey_Berry figure into the movie? What is it? Radioactive Berries Spidey loves to eat? Some drink Peters mom makes for him? Whats up?
mmmm Spidey Berry, Pop Tarts, Cereal.. What else?
http://www.kelloggs.com/promotions/spiderman/Sp
http://www.digitalwebbing.com/news/042602-7.htm
http://www.kosi101.com/kelloggs-contest.html
Wow, you obviously are not that informed about the issues you are ranting about.
*Some* people are not talking about *stealing*, some people are talking about *fair-use*, some people are talking about being afraid to write code. Do you really think Alan Cox, kernel hacker is a software pirate? Guess what? He is vehemently afraid of those legislations, so much so he will not step foot on American soil. This is the fate of many Open Source devlopers. They are not *stealing* pirates like you suggest.
So I dont know, nor can I tell if you use Linux or not, but um, if you do, there is a code that falls into this arena, which you claim is "anti-everything, stealing, blah blah BS".
So instead of being a sadly misinformed ranty head who obviously loves living in a world of "Oh so they wanna drill for oil in Alaska, or bad stuff is going on in ______, who cares, whats on TV?", if thats the world you prefer, thats cool, just stop voting, and STFU, you are screwing it up for the people that care.
Thanks.
Theres a reason why System administrators will not touch MDK with a 400,000 foot pole.
I'm 35 and every day when I hear more news from this group of thugs it pushes me farther and farther away from wanting to support the industry on any level. SSSCA style legislations and essays like these:
v e/
http://www.negativland.com/albini.html
http://www.salon.com/tech/feature/2000/06/14/lo
make me sick. I know personally two of the bands Albini refers to, and I hate Love, but she presents some numbers that are hard to dismiss, despite the irony of her own career.
She speaks the truth tho.
To make matters worse, travel to Asia and see the fact that it is quite impossible to find a legitimate movie/cd/software package. Then juxtapose that against the fact these nimrods are blaming college kids and want to limit your uses of technology.
The whole thing stinks.
http://www.futureofmusic.org/
This guy has proven time and time again, that he has no clue what makes the computer "Ecosystem" work. from the Homebrew computer club to modern day he has seen the computing phenomenon as a means for him to work out his oedipal agressions. far from the "smartest man in the world", he is a shamless robber hack, who is an agressive capitalist at best.
Wow, what a smart idea.
Why couldn't our companies figure this one out? Why, because it's so much easier to demonize internet users and those (in their eyes) pathetic teenagers that download movies/mp3's/warez. Saying these activities are costing them more and more each year, while out of the other corner of their mouths claiming they have made more money then ever before.
Yeah then freedom/innovation limiting legislation.
Land of the free!!
RA!
me too.. that did not work :)
is there anything like that for linux? My ears are killing me.
Wow.. I was moderating this story, but after reading your post I had to blow this job off and make some statements.
You are grossly misinformed about so many things its hard to figure out where to start.
This 'craving' you infer for US goods is not quite how it goes down. Have you been over to say Asia to see the effects, processes, and forces working to "Americanize" cultures? Or are you just talking out of your ass, a trait so typical of Americans.
An interesting book on the subject is:
'propaganda inc.' details the workings of the State Departments efforts to sell American culture overseas.
People in third world countries are under constant assualt from Corporate forces to *believe* that the USA is better than they could *ever* be. They are continually told from everywhere they stand that their culture is insignificant, and should be rejected in favor of the American way, because as MTV shows them, women are more sexua in America, guys can have big chains, fast cars and multiple chicks, etc.
Dont discredit MTV's effect in making these changes on cultures. after spending a year in Asia I began to realize that MTV is the first wave of assult on cultural mores and traditions, and in selling America the brand to a new generation of consumers (cos thats all these corps want right?) who reject traditions, values and cultures.
Imagine sitting in a village in the country of Laos, a village whose inhabitants lived in caves for 9 years, eating bugs and rats while the US illegally bombed them, dropped napalm on them, preventing them from farming, going outside during the day, etc. Imagine this village, whose streets are lined with the empty shells of cluster bombs line the streets, form the basis of their buildings, whose packages still kill children monthly. Imagine these same people who, when they ask you where you are from, and you say "america" and they tell you:
"Wow, thats the best country in the world.."
Well yeah, I know many people think so. But I dare ya to check out Laos. If you dont feel like village life, check out one of the modern cities. I am sure the forgivness has a bit to do with the buddhist nature of the people as well.
You get this response in a lot of places where America has done some pretty horrible things. Cambodia for instance. But you also get the opposite. Indonesia for example, the people there largely reject American Transnationals. The only support those corps get are from the puppet government we installed there. This is why they are a considered stop in our little "war on terrorism"
But really, the war on terrorism is an excuse to destroy pockets of resistance, to the people who are rejecting this "new world order", corecing those in places who feel skeptical about allowing TNC's full access to the resources, mind share, and pocket books of every corner of the globe.
If you dont believe me, look into the backstories and TNC interests in places we have moved troops in the last 8 months. Then look at that in the face of history. The get back to me and suggest that people in these countries are "begging" for USA. It is only after they have been bludgeoned with the message for so long they finally put a smile on their face, and a nike t-shirt on their chest.
One more thing about MTV. If you dont think that MTV is a strategy in the US interests worldwide, google for a story post 9/11 about how important it is to get MTV into the Arab countries.
Get outta town, I dare ya..
It might have an Opera web browser, but I have the latest Mozilla and Galeon and it tells me to upgrade.
YAY sharp!
you may be surprised at the artistic detail of the formating.
LOL...man...
Why only those two?
:)
(I'm a Mac user, and just wondering why I get left out.)
Does 4% of the market ring a bell?
woops, sorry wrong message board.. trolling is not condoned here
From what I can *grok* from the trailers I saw, it should be called:
Episode II: The Search for a Story or
Attack of the Cloned movie.
also, I am really worried about the "The beeotch made me do it" subtext of the story. Call me hyper sensitive or whatever, I just wonder if it is not a limp stilt to stand on.
Russia "made" the 'short-list' because the Wolfowitz doctrine is the Bush doctrine as outlined in this fancy article.
judging by all recent events, things are in fact falling in to place, as outlined. These latest reports are all just part of the 'game'.
We are in fact gaining a strong military presence in the exact area the Wolf Doc details, strategically we have placed ourselves in the center of the cyclone so to speak.
If a site is 100% flash/macromedia product, how do the search engine bots index the content from the site?
If all of the headers/sub heads etc are vector graphics, then there really is no way for the bots to do the indexing is there?
This question is posed for flash/macromedrivel right now as it stands, not for some future *super* flash.
Three cheers for being jobless in seattle! woop woop hurrah!
are you kidding?
I just saw it again yesterday.. did not stay.
guess I will have to go again.