Sorry... but it really depends on the industry. As an out of work programmer so desperate that I am now working as an administrative assistant through a temp agency, I found that there is a "customay" bonus in CT of $25.
On the other hand my girlfriend is in the financial sector. Her firm fires people so often, and verbally abuses everyone so badly that if you survive a year there is a "customary" bonus of 40% of salary (average). On the other hand as profits were down to 10% this year, they will probably only get 25%.
They refer to this as combat pay, as management is quite aware that theirs is one of the most horrifying work environments in corporate America.
The strange thing is that even though the work environment is as diffifult as a tour in nam, no care because they get paid incredable sums in bonuses (even the secretaries). The result is that even in the current economic climate, they are turning over ten percent profit.
Beneath columbia university and the surrounding area in new york there is a system of tunnels that span several square blocks. Originally I was under the impression that the university just used a few of them for maintenance and hiding the work men from tour groups, however one evening after getting a little stoned a few of us embarked on an expedition to chart them.
Seems the tunnels do connect a number of Columbia and buildings, but it also links up to the 116th street train station and a number of other non columbia facilities. Whats really odd is the total lack of security and the equipment being housed.
Most of the power generatos and phone switches for columbia seem to be located down there, and there isnt much keeping one from going from the ny subway system into the tunnels housing Columbia's equipment.
While Gravity's Rainbow was awesome, may a recomend a similair but even better novel, "Infinite Jest" by David Foster Wallace. Its longer, its funnier and I feel that it is also better written.
Its almost sci-fi, and it is quite possibly the most awesome book I have ever read.
Of course, one could always just bring three or four Dostoyevsky novels. I find they are excellent for traveling.
I agree with you entirely. Contemporary discussions that attempt to characterize much of politics as conservative vs. liberal are way off base as they are associated with Republican and Democrat respectively. When in reality both Democrats and Republicans take a great deal of their agendas from both classical liberalism and classical conservativism.
For instance the free trade debate was originally a liberal concept. Protecting labor (originally knwn as guilds) was a conservative issue. Today the two parties have very little to do with the classical political dichotomy.
What is really peculiar and often neglected is that there are two Republican party strands in America. One of wich is strongly libertarian, and the other which is strongly authoritarian. The authoritarians draw their inspiration primarily from Religous issues, whereas the the libertarian Republicans are simply modern incarnates of Adam Smith who would also like to see the government stay the hell out of our personal lives. Both the religous right and the democrats piss US off ass the dems take this paternalistic holier then thou approach; inherent in this is the message "you are not capable of running your own lives, we WILL do it for you". The Religous republicans on the other hand are just God fanatics pushing their values on everyone else through an iron boot. They both suck.
Of course my hope is that someday a split will occur in the Republican party, seperating the religous right from the libertarian adam Smithites. I am sure that much of the dems would flock to the libertarian side, and the religous right would eventually be marginalized.
Unfortunatly, this is unlikely to occur anytime soon. Hence, I am moving to Canada.
Actually the way wealth "grows" in our economy is vis-a-vis a combination of bank deposits and loans.
I deposit $100 in a bank account. Minus a small federally mandated reserve of a few percent (lets say 2 percent) my money is lent to someone else by the bank, and in turn that person puts their $98 dollars in the bank. Again it is lent out minus the reserve. At each point the loan is being used for business in order to generate profit for the borrower and interest for the bank.
My $100 is now being used by me in the bank to accrue interest.
$98 is being used by borrower one.
$96 is being used by borrower two.
And so on.
At each turn the money is replicating, all because of people depositing money, banks making loans and companies doing business with the loans. It is cyclical, and exponential; and is anything but zero sum.
Its not like the components in a dell box are suffering a higher rate of failure or incompatability problems w/ windows then Mac. In fact, most of my friends using Mac OS X cant used much of their legacy hardware due to lack of support. So much for "just working".
Obviously a pc user who builds their own boxes will run into trouble on occasion w/ compatability issues. But that isnt a reasonable comparison really.
And how would you propose the networks pay for the content you enjoy watching, if they were unable to use commercials to do so?
Im not sure, but I am pretty certain most Americans pay for TV, either cable or satelite. At least that is the case in the North East. Why should I pay twice for any given program? The $50 a month for cable is enough. Its not my problem if the cable companies are bilking them.
We (the country) need to accept that over time business models and services become obsolete, at which point industries and businesses go bankrupt.
Creative destruction is a necesary part of capitalism, to interven through congress or the legal system is reactionary and can only lead to decay. Someday Marxists and Republicans will come to realize that they are one and the same.
Finally, it's funny how you never see anyone railing about all the immegrants from central and south america who work on the farms to help bring you cheap groceries...
Why should we complain? Most americans dont want to do the work, and the cheap migrant labor keeps are food cheap. Not only that, while their pay standards are atrocious by our standards, what they take back home with them is a rich mans salary by their standards. Everyone wins.
It isnt racist. Its at worst ignorant. All American citizens want jobs, and American citizens are a very diverse group. Some H1bs will obviously be very succesful, that is to be expected from immigrants as they are a very driven lot.
However skepticism regarding the program is understandable from a workers point of view as it seems to benefit corporations more then anyone else, and while in boom times no one cares, during the lulls in would be nice to now that there isnt increased competition from temporary workers who work longer, get paid less and then go home.
H1Bs hurt U.S. citizens during recessions and only benefit those who are already wealthy. Its selfish, but not racist. And as American workers are barred from most of the E.U., its kind of justified.
I live in france. And it amazes me that while so many immigrants are allowed to work in the U.S., I will never ever ever get a E.U. work visa unless I mary a european. You want to open up the U.S. to more immigrant labor? Fine, let the E.U. match us first, then we can talk.
For the simple reason that while the U.S. allows lots of immigration (legal and illegal), provides oppurtunities and education, U.S. citizens are blocked from working in most other countries except under onerous conditions.
U.S. born yokel? Thats horribly insulting.
Citizenship should not be given freely, it can only be granted after an individual has demonstrated the desire and drive to vest themselves in the community. Ideally, it should be accomanied by a certain degree of assimilation of values. I am not talking about religion, but in the ideal sense immigrants need to learn respect for women and individuals of other ethnicities.
Europe is embroiled in racism of a sort far worse that much of the U.S.. Have the worlds women live as oppressed people. Many of those individuals coming from pakistan and india on H1Bs have some of the most archaic attitudes and prejudices to women I have ever encountered. And before they become fully vested citizens, they should at least demonstrate the ability to work in a diverse multi-sexed environment.
Additionally, a citized cannot be deported. Someone who holds a green card can be. The green card status gives us the oppurtunity to screen out criminals, commit a crime and you will most likely be deported. We have more then enough crmie and corruption as it is.
Additionally, as immigrants remit something like 15% of their earnings to their country of origin, we would like to restrict your benefits.
Overall, it would be best for the countries of orgigins if they kept their skilled labor, it would reduce U.S. hegemony, something the rest of the world seems to have a problem with. So if the U.S. decides to exploit immigrants or ban them entirely, that is our perogative and it only helps the rest of the world.
To say that this is somehow akin to protectionist tariffs is absurd. Even worse, a claim that H1bs are good for the country as a whole is just plain wrong. Yes, such workers benefit corporate America, and they bnefit the immigrant and their country of origin (through remissions). However H1Bs trample over disenfranchised American citizens as the increased competition dissuades them from getting Engineering degrees and makes upward mobility that much harder.
Corporate America doesnt need anymore help, but those members of American society who have been forced to feed off the dregs of our Economy have a right to economic oppurtunity.
Screw the H1bs, corporate America should spend more on training the domestic labor force, specifically inner city and minority communities. Overall the U.S. economy would benefit the most from an increase in domestic engineering degrees.
Most economic studies have shown that immigrants du benefit the economy but only those sectors that really dont need anymore help.
The disenfranchised and Impoverished Americans looseout disproportionatly from immigration. And that is a f*cking travisty.
The above should be marked as a troll and not as informative. When the hell has the U.S. state sponsored terrorism in the U.K.?
And how exactly did the British save our asses in the Gulf or Afghanistan? The Brits didnt enter afghanistan until the fighting was over (exception being the SAS who were woefully incompetent) and when the Royal Marines did hit the ground their main accomplishment was a week of bad press in the London dailies. So congrats.
And where the hell does a freaking Brit get off being self-righteous about imperialism? The U.S. has at most fifty years (outside of Latin America) of screwing over weaker nations around the world, where as the British are the old pros. Like the Brits arent responsible for the current problems in Israel. Hello Balfor Decleration anyone? You damn europeans are just bitter because you are fading into obscurity. Twenty years from now the U.K will be just one more third world nation and the U.S. while likely short a few more buildings will still be kicking ass monetarily and militarily around the world.
I am not afraid to say it, we will conquer all your asses either via the $ or the gun. And you will be better for it. Pax Americana baby!
Rosen's quote speaks to how far this attitude has seeped into academia as well.
Take, for instance, my thesis seminar. When one of my classmates offered to put all of our year's work onto the web for the mutual enjoyment of all who cared, our thesis adviser shot down the idea in one instant because, as she said, "other people could read them, print them out, and turn them in as their own work."
Yes, it would bother me if someone falsely appropriated my work as their own, but that's academic dishonesty, just like selling stolen music is copyright infringement.
Not even academia gets the difference, and one of them went as far as suggesting the work shouldn't be shared.
Last I check on pricewatch, they were the same price give or take three dollars dpending on the manufacturer.
And didnt Intel just recently announce that they were going with a quad pumped 133mhz bus (I.E. Rambuss 1066) for their 2.5ghz chips?
This is just so much fluffer.
I dont like to be a flamer...
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but I need to vent, and Katz's idiot remarks have inspired me.
AI was absolute trash. That Katz praised it only leads me to loose faith in Slashdot and the rest of the world.
To quote: "A.I. is shocking and haunting, beautiful and unique. "
I have but one response. NO! This move is not sci-fi, it is not inteligent, it is sentimental button pushing that falls short of even the lowest standards for good film. Spielberg took the greatest time to spell out in the utmost detail the most simplistic and intuitive questions regarding artificial inteligence. My dying cat farts more inteligent films after breakfast. Spielberg has insulted those who are interested in AI, but most horribly of all he has insulted Cubrik by tainting his great name with an association to such utter trash.
Have a nice day. My Karma was never any good to begin with.
While it is true that the planes were in international airspace at the time of the collision, what has been consistantly overlooked by U.S. media is that this accident occured in China's exclusive economic zone. Basicly, thile everyone has the right of free passage through this zone, China has exclusive control over any economic activity. Who here is willing to argue that the collection of electronic information is not economic in nature to some extent? That at the point at which the U.S. starts engageing in more then just free passage through this zone there is a real question of Chinese sovereingty involved. Consider this behavior in the context of the Chinese persepctive regarding Taiwan (which they claim as a renegade province) the spratly islands and our intereference in internal chinese affairs. In a smiliair situation, we (the U.S.) probably would have shot the plane down.
So I dont generally like replying to trolls. But in this case I am concerned. I think you should seek counseling. No, seriously. I mean it. I can only think of a few other examples of cynism that match yours, possibly Nitzche. There is more to life then the bottom line. Just about everything in fact.
But now he is not alone. I do not remember the name of the director of the mini-series, and I dont care to. He has taken a work of art (the book) and turned in into utter crap. The plot changes are pointless and serve only to diminish the potency of the story. The casting is horific, the Duke is no duke he is a bitch, and if I ever meet him on the street, I will make him MY BITCH as I kick him around for such a poor job of portraying a fascinating character. Oh, my apple IIC is capable of better CG then this movie.
I am going to go sulk and then re-read the book now.
Actually while Jefferson's career was truly great, his Presidency lacked an awful lot. In fact, it was pretty bad. It was largtely his policies that led to the war of 1812 by insisting on using economic warfare on Britain. The impact was to destroy the U.S. economy while giving Britain everything she wanted. Furthermore, Jefferson made a very intentional effort to weaken the supreme court and almost eliminate it as a check to the executive or legislature. Then later, he abandonded his idealism w/r/t the Indians and set the U.S. down the road to an extermination policy. These events were the most striking of his presidency. Of course, the rest of his career was nothing short of amazing.
Interestingly the difference between the two candidates nationally was something like one half a percent, while the margin of error of both machine counting and hand counting is two percent. At the point where the results are less then the margin of error, one can only expect the outcome to be based on the respective skills of the lawyers.
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Sorry... but it really depends on the industry. As an out of work programmer so desperate that I am now working as an administrative assistant through a temp agency, I found that there is a "customay" bonus in CT of $25.
On the other hand my girlfriend is in the financial sector. Her firm fires people so often, and verbally abuses everyone so badly that if you survive a year there is a "customary" bonus of 40% of salary (average). On the other hand as profits were down to 10% this year, they will probably only get 25%.
They refer to this as combat pay, as management is quite aware that theirs is one of the most horrifying work environments in corporate America.
The strange thing is that even though the work environment is as diffifult as a tour in nam, no care because they get paid incredable sums in bonuses (even the secretaries). The result is that even in the current economic climate, they are turning over ten percent profit.
Beneath columbia university and the surrounding area in new york there is a system of tunnels that span several square blocks. Originally I was under the impression that the university just used a few of them for maintenance and hiding the work men from tour groups, however one evening after getting a little stoned a few of us embarked on an expedition to chart them.
Seems the tunnels do connect a number of Columbia and buildings, but it also links up to the 116th street train station and a number of other non columbia facilities. Whats really odd is the total lack of security and the equipment being housed.
Most of the power generatos and phone switches for columbia seem to be located down there, and there isnt much keeping one from going from the ny subway system into the tunnels housing Columbia's equipment.
pie derives itself.
every page could be if every page were a wiki.
While Gravity's Rainbow was awesome, may a recomend a similair but even better novel, "Infinite Jest" by David Foster Wallace. Its longer, its funnier and I feel that it is also better written.
Its almost sci-fi, and it is quite possibly the most awesome book I have ever read.
Of course, one could always just bring three or four Dostoyevsky novels. I find they are excellent for traveling.
In further off-topic discussion....
I agree with you entirely. Contemporary discussions that attempt to characterize much of politics as conservative vs. liberal are way off base as they are associated with Republican and Democrat respectively. When in reality both Democrats and Republicans take a great deal of their agendas from both classical liberalism and classical conservativism.
For instance the free trade debate was originally a liberal concept. Protecting labor (originally knwn as guilds) was a conservative issue. Today the two parties have very little to do with the classical political dichotomy.
What is really peculiar and often neglected is that there are two Republican party strands in America. One of wich is strongly libertarian, and the other which is strongly authoritarian. The authoritarians draw their inspiration primarily from Religous issues, whereas the the libertarian Republicans are simply modern incarnates of Adam Smith who would also like to see the government stay the hell out of our personal lives. Both the religous right and the democrats piss US off ass the dems take this paternalistic holier then thou approach; inherent in this is the message "you are not capable of running your own lives, we WILL do it for you". The Religous republicans on the other hand are just God fanatics pushing their values on everyone else through an iron boot. They both suck.
Of course my hope is that someday a split will occur in the Republican party, seperating the religous right from the libertarian adam Smithites. I am sure that much of the dems would flock to the libertarian side, and the religous right would eventually be marginalized.
Unfortunatly, this is unlikely to occur anytime soon. Hence, I am moving to Canada.
Actually the way wealth "grows" in our economy is vis-a-vis a combination of bank deposits and loans.
I deposit $100 in a bank account. Minus a small federally mandated reserve of a few percent (lets say 2 percent) my money is lent to someone else by the bank, and in turn that person puts their $98 dollars in the bank. Again it is lent out minus the reserve. At each point the loan is being used for business in order to generate profit for the borrower and interest for the bank.
My $100 is now being used by me in the bank to accrue interest.
$98 is being used by borrower one.
$96 is being used by borrower two.
And so on.
At each turn the money is replicating, all because of people depositing money, banks making loans and companies doing business with the loans. It is cyclical, and exponential; and is anything but zero sum.
Its not like the components in a dell box are suffering a higher rate of failure or incompatability problems w/ windows then Mac. In fact, most of my friends using Mac OS X cant used much of their legacy hardware due to lack of support. So much for "just working".
Obviously a pc user who builds their own boxes will run into trouble on occasion w/ compatability issues. But that isnt a reasonable comparison really.
And how would you propose the networks pay for the content you enjoy watching, if they were unable to use commercials to do so?
Im not sure, but I am pretty certain most Americans pay for TV, either cable or satelite. At least that is the case in the North East. Why should I pay twice for any given program? The $50 a month for cable is enough. Its not my problem if the cable companies are bilking them.
We (the country) need to accept that over time business models and services become obsolete, at which point industries and businesses go bankrupt.
Creative destruction is a necesary part of capitalism, to interven through congress or the legal system is reactionary and can only lead to decay. Someday Marxists and Republicans will come to realize that they are one and the same.
Finally, it's funny how you never see anyone railing about all the immegrants from central and south america who work on the farms to help bring you cheap groceries...
Why should we complain? Most americans dont want to do the work, and the cheap migrant labor keeps are food cheap. Not only that, while their pay standards are atrocious by our standards, what they take back home with them is a rich mans salary by their standards. Everyone wins.
It isnt racist. Its at worst ignorant. All American citizens want jobs, and American citizens are a very diverse group. Some H1bs will obviously be very succesful, that is to be expected from immigrants as they are a very driven lot.
However skepticism regarding the program is understandable from a workers point of view as it seems to benefit corporations more then anyone else, and while in boom times no one cares, during the lulls in would be nice to now that there isnt increased competition from temporary workers who work longer, get paid less and then go home.
H1Bs hurt U.S. citizens during recessions and only benefit those who are already wealthy. Its selfish, but not racist. And as American workers are barred from most of the E.U., its kind of justified.
I live in france. And it amazes me that while so many immigrants are allowed to work in the U.S., I will never ever ever get a E.U. work visa unless I mary a european. You want to open up the U.S. to more immigrant labor? Fine, let the E.U. match us first, then we can talk.
For the simple reason that while the U.S. allows lots of immigration (legal and illegal), provides oppurtunities and education, U.S. citizens are blocked from working in most other countries except under onerous conditions.
U.S. born yokel? Thats horribly insulting.
Citizenship should not be given freely, it can only be granted after an individual has demonstrated the desire and drive to vest themselves in the community. Ideally, it should be accomanied by a certain degree of assimilation of values. I am not talking about religion, but in the ideal sense immigrants need to learn respect for women and individuals of other ethnicities.
Europe is embroiled in racism of a sort far worse that much of the U.S.. Have the worlds women live as oppressed people. Many of those individuals coming from pakistan and india on H1Bs have some of the most archaic attitudes and prejudices to women I have ever encountered. And before they become fully vested citizens, they should at least demonstrate the ability to work in a diverse multi-sexed environment.
Additionally, a citized cannot be deported. Someone who holds a green card can be. The green card status gives us the oppurtunity to screen out criminals, commit a crime and you will most likely be deported. We have more then enough crmie and corruption as it is.
Additionally, as immigrants remit something like 15% of their earnings to their country of origin, we would like to restrict your benefits.
Overall, it would be best for the countries of orgigins if they kept their skilled labor, it would reduce U.S. hegemony, something the rest of the world seems to have a problem with. So if the U.S. decides to exploit immigrants or ban them entirely, that is our perogative and it only helps the rest of the world.
To say that this is somehow akin to protectionist tariffs is absurd. Even worse, a claim that H1bs are good for the country as a whole is just plain wrong. Yes, such workers benefit corporate America, and they bnefit the immigrant and their country of origin (through remissions). However H1Bs trample over disenfranchised American citizens as the increased competition dissuades them from getting Engineering degrees and makes upward mobility that much harder.
Corporate America doesnt need anymore help, but those members of American society who have been forced to feed off the dregs of our Economy have a right to economic oppurtunity.
Screw the H1bs, corporate America should spend more on training the domestic labor force, specifically inner city and minority communities. Overall the U.S. economy would benefit the most from an increase in domestic engineering degrees.
Most economic studies have shown that immigrants du benefit the economy but only those sectors that really dont need anymore help.
The disenfranchised and Impoverished Americans looseout disproportionatly from immigration. And that is a f*cking travisty.
The above should be marked as a troll and not as informative. When the hell has the U.S. state sponsored terrorism in the U.K.?
And how exactly did the British save our asses in the Gulf or Afghanistan? The Brits didnt enter afghanistan until the fighting was over (exception being the SAS who were woefully incompetent) and when the Royal Marines did hit the ground their main accomplishment was a week of bad press in the London dailies. So congrats.
And where the hell does a freaking Brit get off being self-righteous about imperialism? The U.S. has at most fifty years (outside of Latin America) of screwing over weaker nations around the world, where as the British are the old pros. Like the Brits arent responsible for the current problems in Israel. Hello Balfor Decleration anyone? You damn europeans are just bitter because you are fading into obscurity. Twenty years from now the U.K will be just one more third world nation and the U.S. while likely short a few more buildings will still be kicking ass monetarily and militarily around the world.
I am not afraid to say it, we will conquer all your asses either via the $ or the gun. And you will be better for it. Pax Americana baby!
wtf? Why is this rather good joke moderated as troll?
Good lord.
maybe the moderator is just the uber troll, and I hist first victim.
This brings up an interesting point.
Why not just Humans, two way radios and money?
or for that matter, prison labor, electrodes and marginally reduced sentences.
Rosen's quote speaks to how far this attitude has seeped into academia as well.
Take, for instance, my thesis seminar. When one of my classmates offered to put all of our year's work onto the web for the mutual enjoyment of all who cared, our thesis adviser shot down the idea in one instant because, as she said, "other people could read them, print them out, and turn them in as their own work."
Yes, it would bother me if someone falsely appropriated my work as their own, but that's academic dishonesty, just like selling stolen music is copyright infringement.
Not even academia gets the difference, and one of them went as far as suggesting the work shouldn't be shared.
`They're [Gateway] one of the people who would change Windows ... if they had the ability to do so,'' Gates said.
he makes it sound like there are four of us out there.....
Last I check on pricewatch, they were the same price give or take three dollars dpending on the manufacturer.
And didnt Intel just recently announce that they were going with a quad pumped 133mhz bus (I.E. Rambuss 1066) for their 2.5ghz chips?
This is just so much fluffer.
but I need to vent, and Katz's idiot remarks have inspired me.
AI was absolute trash. That Katz praised it only leads me to loose faith in Slashdot and the rest of the world.
To quote: "A.I. is shocking and haunting, beautiful and unique. "
I have but one response. NO! This move is not sci-fi, it is not inteligent, it is sentimental button pushing that falls short of even the lowest standards for good film. Spielberg took the greatest time to spell out in the utmost detail the most simplistic and intuitive questions regarding artificial inteligence. My dying cat farts more inteligent films after breakfast. Spielberg has insulted those who are interested in AI, but most horribly of all he has insulted Cubrik by tainting his great name with an association to such utter trash.
Have a nice day. My Karma was never any good to begin with.
While it is true that the planes were in international airspace at the time of the collision, what has been consistantly overlooked by U.S. media is that this accident occured in China's exclusive economic zone. Basicly, thile everyone has the right of free passage through this zone, China has exclusive control over any economic activity. Who here is willing to argue that the collection of electronic information is not economic in nature to some extent? That at the point at which the U.S. starts engageing in more then just free passage through this zone there is a real question of Chinese sovereingty involved. Consider this behavior in the context of the Chinese persepctive regarding Taiwan (which they claim as a renegade province) the spratly islands and our intereference in internal chinese affairs. In a smiliair situation, we (the U.S.) probably would have shot the plane down.
So I dont generally like replying to trolls. But in this case I am concerned. I think you should seek counseling. No, seriously. I mean it. I can only think of a few other examples of cynism that match yours, possibly Nitzche. There is more to life then the bottom line. Just about everything in fact.
But now he is not alone. I do not remember the name of the director of the mini-series, and I dont care to. He has taken a work of art (the book) and turned in into utter crap. The plot changes are pointless and serve only to diminish the potency of the story. The casting is horific, the Duke is no duke he is a bitch, and if I ever meet him on the street, I will make him MY BITCH as I kick him around for such a poor job of portraying a fascinating character. Oh, my apple IIC is capable of better CG then this movie. I am going to go sulk and then re-read the book now.
Actually while Jefferson's career was truly great, his Presidency lacked an awful lot. In fact, it was pretty bad. It was largtely his policies that led to the war of 1812 by insisting on using economic warfare on Britain. The impact was to destroy the U.S. economy while giving Britain everything she wanted. Furthermore, Jefferson made a very intentional effort to weaken the supreme court and almost eliminate it as a check to the executive or legislature. Then later, he abandonded his idealism w/r/t the Indians and set the U.S. down the road to an extermination policy. These events were the most striking of his presidency. Of course, the rest of his career was nothing short of amazing.
Interestingly the difference between the two candidates nationally was something like one half a percent, while the margin of error of both machine counting and hand counting is two percent. At the point where the results are less then the margin of error, one can only expect the outcome to be based on the respective skills of the lawyers.