But, ultimately, an assertion with just as much logical weight as yours. He offered his opinion on how the case was covered, you offered yours.
They covered, but they went with the Dem party spin for the most part, that Ken Starr was persecuting Clinton for a private affair that should be left between a man and his wife.
Not in the papers I read, or on the news programs I watched. The perjury and obstruction of justice charges figured significantly in most of them. Sure, the newspapers were full of opinion columns on both sides of the issues, and some of those columns presented the argument you're speaking of. But confusing that with some kind of unified general spin from the media is ludicrous.
Interesting anecdote from Schwarzenneger's run: you may recall that it appeared he had a history of harrasment that might have made Clinton blush. Of course this was brought up during his campaign. His campaign's response? No comment about whether or not the charges were true. Simply a statement: "These attacks were politically motivated." And that was enough for many people to simply drop the matter. It didn't matter whether or not they were true, verification wasn't an issue. Because the matter could have been used by his political opposition, it was considered tainted information and irrelevant.
This is essentially the strategy of those who would paint "the media" with a broad brush as "liberal" -- and therefore, possesed of a unified agenda against their political causes. Get people to distrust it, and they'll simply disbelieve when it says something they don't like.
Of course the media isn't perfectly trustworthy. With the exception of a rare, few pieces of real investigative journalism, most news stories are mere starting places for understanding an issue. Misconceptions are regularly propogated. Stories are pushed by all kinds of hidden interests. And especially in the land of punditry, political bias exists (though it is not, by any means, limited to a liberal slant). The solution is not to pronounce the media as a whole untrustworthy, nor is the solution to retreat to an outlet or community that caters to your personal worldview, as is rather easy to do. The solution is to verify. Read other versions of the story. Yes, even check an outlet that you feel is a haven for those with a skewed and opposing political perspective.
That's handling media consumption responsibly. Simply calling "the media" liberal -- or conservative, for that matter -- is just burying your head in the sand.
... it's only because our society's attitude toward sexuality is morbid and ridiculous.
You know what's equally ridiculous? The idea that sex is only obsessively interesting because it's taboo. And even more ridiculous? The idea that sex is "harmless," just another sensory experience. It's a damn powerful sensory experience, and it's that way for good reasons that keep the species going, but it can and will and does mess people up who aren't careful with it.
I agree that American society has a problem with attitudes towards sexuality. There's a culture that's "just do it!" there's a culture that's "noooo, bad, dirty, don't *ever* do that!" It'd be nice if there was one that sent the message that it's something to be careful with, that there are real consequences to, not only in terms of material health but emotional health as well, but that it's a fabulous experience and constructive when you manage it recognizing those things.
As the old saw goes, a wonderful servant, a terrible master.
But it's definitely not even in the same league as "uncontrolled lawn mowing" or "uncontrolled hand washing", and most of all, I wish people would stop trying to pretend that sex is just another activity. Obviously not true, or not only would it not capture so much of our imagination and attention, many of us would literally not be here.:)
While it's certainly true that some personalities are more addiction-pr0ne than others, and there are in fact lots of experiences that can become addicting, your argument seems to be that sex as an experience (or simulated experience) is no different than many others, and that's ridiculous. It's biologically hardwired to be an overpoweringly powerful/pleasurable experience. There are feedback mechanisms in some of the other things you mention that incidentally play in to some forms of addiction -- with sex, there's nothing incidental about it.
Maybe it all fits. Maybe a subscriber would want a new card after their Visa # is everywhere they want to be.
And please tell me there's some kind of criminal statute being violated here. The idea that those numbers would need to ever be printed out en masse is ridiculous; the process of letting those printouts get into the real world is grossly negligent.
Quinn felt sure that he was the reason the senators were cutting the IT budget. He felt that the whole state was being punished because of him. He believes that the state urgently needs new computer systems to take care of their records (these systems being completely unrelated to the open document controversy) and they will not get them because the senate is cutting the budget.
Does anyone know which Senators? I'd say they're prime candidates for replacement next election cycle, if not actually being taken to with pitchfork, torch, tar, and feather.
Seriously. These guys are basically the same level of morality and worth to society as Spammers -- looking for an easy way to make an extra buck at the expense of the total experience.
And if we can't murder them and have their arms and legs mailed back to their families by the powers of darkness, maybe it's time to make a pact among geeks that THEIR email and internet traffic should always run an order or magnitude more slowly.
Apple's strength is in marketing -- they have Jobs running around in a black turtleneck, sell shiny products, and basically sell a self-image of creativity to consumers.
Another person who doesn't get that it's not just image. It's user experience. And generally speaking, with Apple Products, it's better. At least, for enough people that Apple's got a market, and a very loyal one at that.
That's not likely to last forever. All it takes is one good competing ad campaign, and they've lost that.
One good competing ad campaign, and a product that can live up to said campiagn and compete in terms of experience.
And assuming that happens, are you really saying all it takes is a single competitor victory? Apple's had competitors in every field for a while, and been "embattled" and left for dead. And they've still got their reputation, and business success. In some respects, as this article reminds us, they're more succesful than Dell.
Here's the thing: I know a Republican state delegate or two in Utah, and the rumor around town is that Hatch doesn't have a whole lot of support from the conservative end of his own party.
Now, the end I speak of is obviously not going to vote for a democrat of any stripe -- these are the people who think Clinton was a communist and the entire aim of the democratic party is to abolish religion and property rights.
What *would* be ideal would be if Hatch faced a primary challenge -- and lost. Ashdown would probably still lose, but it'd be a more interesting fight. I think he ought to be quiet up until the Republican Primary is over, or appear weak in some way -- and then come out swinging.
Forget how much you "belive" what they were saying was true, the journalists on CBS manufactured evidence to fit their story in order to make it "true".
Memos were not manufactured by journalists at CBS, and as for the truth of the content, the reason they were brought up is that they seemed to be evidence of what pretty most everyone -- including a large number of people who voted for Bush -- believes is true.
You don't give a damn about fair journalism, you just don't want anyone talking about views you don't agree with
Funny, I don't hear a lot of retractions and apologies about disinformation propogated from the conservative "media."
None of this would happen if everybody just went out and bought
Or, say, if everybody responded without buying -- you know, visit that nice little website they linked in their message (say, 2,000,000 times a day). Or go ahead, call the number they left. String the salesman out for 20-30 minutes.
: the "money" you have in $100 Yahoo shares isn't sitting in a bank account somewhere, but is instead being used by Yahoo to invest in other companies
Yahoo shares would only give money to yahoo when yahoo sells them, right? The rest of the time, it would seem to me that the parent poster's view is correct -- money is just getting shuffled around.
Dude, what *is* it with the porn meme? There's like 15 comments to that effect already in this thread, before it broke 50 comments. If every slashdotter was as dedicated/addicted to downloading pr0n as is stereotype goes, the whole freakin' internet would have been DDOSd long ago.
Yeah, I know it's popular, but geez. Not all of us are spending our time gazing and wanking. Some of us actually code (and even talk to women!)
I hereby banish this to the Beowulf cluster of memes, along with Soviet Russia/Hot Grits/Profit!
What is happening to the morons who leave this kind of information sitting around on an easily cracked server? Are they getting fines? Jail time? 40 lashes with a wet noodle? What?
Because if not, dammit, I want to know where the torrent is!
I remember being very confused the first time I used the Recycle Bin. On my Mac, if I wanted to throw something out, I put it in the trash because that's where things I didn't want anymore should go. But the recycle bin? I don't want three old images to be mixed together and then one find a not-quite-as-good image waiting on my computer the next day.
Clearly you've never experience the fertile ground for creativity that image composting can produce. There's apparently lots of graduate work being done in it, and companies like Adobe and Macromedia have been adding it to their products for a while now.
Seriously. Has anyone seen an actual 3G network yet? GSM/GPRS speeds are still like dialup, but with a latency that makes you yearn for your dialup connection. CDMA stuff (like PCS Vision) is faster and has acceptable latency, but still, 100K or so really isn't great. I've heard the term 2.5G thrown around, but wireless internet is still no great shakes as far as I can see.
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Nice straw man.
But, ultimately, an assertion with just as much logical weight as yours. He offered his opinion on how the case was covered, you offered yours.
They covered, but they went with the Dem party spin for the most part, that Ken Starr was persecuting Clinton for a private affair that should be left between a man and his wife.
Not in the papers I read, or on the news programs I watched. The perjury and obstruction of justice charges figured significantly in most of them. Sure, the newspapers were full of opinion columns on both sides of the issues, and some of those columns presented the argument you're speaking of. But confusing that with some kind of unified general spin from the media is ludicrous.
Interesting anecdote from Schwarzenneger's run: you may recall that it appeared he had a history of harrasment that might have made Clinton blush. Of course this was brought up during his campaign. His campaign's response? No comment about whether or not the charges were true. Simply a statement: "These attacks were politically motivated." And that was enough for many people to simply drop the matter. It didn't matter whether or not they were true, verification wasn't an issue. Because the matter could have been used by his political opposition, it was considered tainted information and irrelevant.
This is essentially the strategy of those who would paint "the media" with a broad brush as "liberal" -- and therefore, possesed of a unified agenda against their political causes. Get people to distrust it, and they'll simply disbelieve when it says something they don't like.
Of course the media isn't perfectly trustworthy. With the exception of a rare, few pieces of real investigative journalism, most news stories are mere starting places for understanding an issue. Misconceptions are regularly propogated. Stories are pushed by all kinds of hidden interests. And especially in the land of punditry, political bias exists (though it is not, by any means, limited to a liberal slant). The solution is not to pronounce the media as a whole untrustworthy, nor is the solution to retreat to an outlet or community that caters to your personal worldview, as is rather easy to do. The solution is to verify. Read other versions of the story. Yes, even check an outlet that you feel is a haven for those with a skewed and opposing political perspective.
That's handling media consumption responsibly. Simply calling "the media" liberal -- or conservative, for that matter -- is just burying your head in the sand.
The problem being that business isn't a small part of society. It is a major portion of how people interact.
Which is precisely why it's important that businesses are run in a circumspect and ethical manner.
Sarbox may not be the specific answer, but the reason it exists is fairly sound: internal controls weren't working. They often don't work.
This makes sense if you're willing to accept the negative side of the profite motive along with its positive power.
I'd rather suspect that at least 70% of the country has now managed to realize that Bush is barely connected to reality in any meaningful way.
Which goes to show that Americans are merely slow, not stupid.
I don't know what the excuse for the other 30% are, but perhaps we can get them all to move into beachfront property in Florida.
... it's only because our society's attitude toward sexuality is morbid and ridiculous.
:)
You know what's equally ridiculous? The idea that sex is only obsessively interesting because it's taboo. And even more ridiculous? The idea that sex is "harmless," just another sensory experience. It's a damn powerful sensory experience, and it's that way for good reasons that keep the species going, but it can and will and does mess people up who aren't careful with it.
I agree that American society has a problem with attitudes towards sexuality. There's a culture that's "just do it!" there's a culture that's "noooo, bad, dirty, don't *ever* do that!" It'd be nice if there was one that sent the message that it's something to be careful with, that there are real consequences to, not only in terms of material health but emotional health as well, but that it's a fabulous experience and constructive when you manage it recognizing those things.
As the old saw goes, a wonderful servant, a terrible master.
But it's definitely not even in the same league as "uncontrolled lawn mowing" or "uncontrolled hand washing", and most of all, I wish people would stop trying to pretend that sex is just another activity. Obviously not true, or not only would it not capture so much of our imagination and attention, many of us would literally not be here.
While it's certainly true that some personalities are more addiction-pr0ne than others, and there are in fact lots of experiences that can become addicting, your argument seems to be that sex as an experience (or simulated experience) is no different than many others, and that's ridiculous. It's biologically hardwired to be an overpoweringly powerful/pleasurable experience. There are feedback mechanisms in some of the other things you mention that incidentally play in to some forms of addiction -- with sex, there's nothing incidental about it.
"might be just the ticket for those annoying little skin cancers that tend to occur in older geeks who have spent a bit of time in the sun."
Interesting. Is this some kind of career benefit one accrues with experience or time spent at the company?
... for an American Express card. :)
Maybe it all fits. Maybe a subscriber would want a new card after their Visa # is everywhere they want to be.
And please tell me there's some kind of criminal statute being violated here. The idea that those numbers would need to ever be printed out en masse is ridiculous; the process of letting those printouts get into the real world is grossly negligent.
Quinn felt sure that he was the reason the senators were cutting the IT budget. He felt that the whole state was being punished because of him. He believes that the state urgently needs new computer systems to take care of their records (these systems being completely unrelated to the open document controversy) and they will not get them because the senate is cutting the budget.
Does anyone know which Senators? I'd say they're prime candidates for replacement next election cycle, if not actually being taken to with pitchfork, torch, tar, and feather.
Seriously. These guys are basically the same level of morality and worth to society as Spammers -- looking for an easy way to make an extra buck at the expense of the total experience.
And if we can't murder them and have their arms and legs mailed back to their families by the powers of darkness, maybe it's time to make a pact among geeks that THEIR email and internet traffic should always run an order or magnitude more slowly.
Apple's strength is in marketing -- they have Jobs running around in a black turtleneck, sell shiny products, and basically sell a self-image of creativity to consumers.
Another person who doesn't get that it's not just image. It's user experience. And generally speaking, with Apple Products, it's better. At least, for enough people that Apple's got a market, and a very loyal one at that.
That's not likely to last forever. All it takes is one good competing ad campaign, and they've lost that.
One good competing ad campaign, and a product that can live up to said campiagn and compete in terms of experience.
And assuming that happens, are you really saying all it takes is a single competitor victory? Apple's had competitors in every field for a while, and been "embattled" and left for dead. And they've still got their reputation, and business success. In some respects, as this article reminds us, they're more succesful than Dell.
Click stream analyisis for websites is not a trivial problem.
Um... why? What's different about "click stream analysis" than simply grabbing lists of requests from a given user out of the server logs?
Although a stable of Sci-Fi space travel
Staple. A *staple* of Sci-Fi space travel. A stable would be... well, I don't know what it would be, but it would be something else besides a staple.
People: spelling phonetically doesn't always work. This is getting "rediculous" [sic].
Here's the thing: I know a Republican state delegate or two in Utah, and the rumor around town is that Hatch doesn't have a whole lot of support from the conservative end of his own party.
Now, the end I speak of is obviously not going to vote for a democrat of any stripe -- these are the people who think Clinton was a communist and the entire aim of the democratic party is to abolish religion and property rights.
What *would* be ideal would be if Hatch faced a primary challenge -- and lost. Ashdown would probably still lose, but it'd be a more interesting fight. I think he ought to be quiet up until the Republican Primary is over, or appear weak in some way -- and then come out swinging.
Personally, I'd rather just get lucky.
I'm making in the mid thirties and was out of work so long I feel lucky. Felt lucky, anyway. Geez.
Forget how much you "belive" what they were saying was true, the journalists on CBS manufactured evidence to fit their story in order to make it "true".
Memos were not manufactured by journalists at CBS, and as for the truth of the content, the reason they were brought up is that they seemed to be evidence of what pretty most everyone -- including a large number of people who voted for Bush -- believes is true.
You don't give a damn about fair journalism, you just don't want anyone talking about views you don't agree with
Funny, I don't hear a lot of retractions and apologies about disinformation propogated from the conservative "media."
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None of this would happen if everybody just went out and bought
Or, say, if everybody responded without buying -- you know, visit that nice little website they linked in their message (say, 2,000,000 times a day). Or go ahead, call the number they left. String the salesman out for 20-30 minutes.
you need everyone to sell all their stock
To who?
: the "money" you have in $100 Yahoo shares isn't sitting in a bank account somewhere, but is instead being used by Yahoo to invest in other companies
Yahoo shares would only give money to yahoo when yahoo sells them, right? The rest of the time, it would seem to me that the parent poster's view is correct -- money is just getting shuffled around.
Dude, what *is* it with the porn meme? There's like 15 comments to that effect already in this thread, before it broke 50 comments. If every slashdotter was as dedicated/addicted to downloading pr0n as is stereotype goes, the whole freakin' internet would have been DDOSd long ago.
Yeah, I know it's popular, but geez. Not all of us are spending our time gazing and wanking. Some of us actually code (and even talk to women!)
I hereby banish this to the Beowulf cluster of memes, along with Soviet Russia/Hot Grits/Profit!
What is happening to the morons who leave this kind of information sitting around on an easily cracked server? Are they getting fines? Jail time? 40 lashes with a wet noodle? What?
Because if not, dammit, I want to know where the torrent is!
I remember being very confused the first time I used the Recycle Bin. On my Mac, if I wanted to throw something out, I put it in the trash because that's where things I didn't want anymore should go. But the recycle bin? I don't want three old images to be mixed together and then one find a not-quite-as-good image waiting on my computer the next day.
Clearly you've never experience the fertile ground for creativity that image composting can produce. There's apparently lots of graduate work being done in it, and companies like Adobe and Macromedia have been adding it to their products for a while now.
What's that? C-o-m-p-o-s-i? "i" you say?
oh.
Seriously. Has anyone seen an actual 3G network yet? GSM/GPRS speeds are still like dialup, but with a latency that makes you yearn for your dialup connection. CDMA stuff (like PCS Vision) is faster and has acceptable latency, but still, 100K or so really isn't great. I've heard the term 2.5G thrown around, but wireless internet is still no great shakes as far as I can see.
His name is my name too!