When they move to slow to release patches,/. is all over it, when they move too fast to do something else WHICH IS BENEFICIAL TO DEVELOPERS, we complain they move too fast. Nice double-standard.
Anyway, I'm surprised it's taken this long for this to hit/., usually anti-MS news is posted quickly, and the good stuff, like the release of Visual Studio.NET, is ignored.
Another fine example of why I should (and have started to) stop reading/. (I was part of the discussion on the whole licensing issue and that was at least a couple of weeks ago (and I came in rather late in the discussion.))Anyway, there's as much shit-slinging in the OSS camp as there is in microsoft's camp. No matter which side you choose you're going wind up smelling like shit.
...(of course by community they mean the few guys they personally know and who make money using their MS knowledge)
The few guys? Lets compare the number of people that make money off of Microsoft stuff compared to the number of people making money off of Linux stuff.
Can anyone who is competent in Windows 2000/XP administration/setup honestly remember the last time they got a core dump? If I get one it's usually because of a shoddy (beta) video driver.
And for the record, the reason that most countries in Europe don't ever really support any military action in the Middle East is because they have heap of middle eastern immigrants & descendants and they don't want to stir up trouble in their own countries. i.e. France. Having lived there, (also being a citizen of US & France), I can tell you that many of the younger generations of middle easterners (algeriens) like to cause a rukus. I hate stereotypes, but this one applies. Even in the small city where my relatives live in, I hear about random car burnings, garbages being lit on fire, etc, muggings, general harassment. People won't go out after 8pm. I thought things were bad in the US with respect to the "inner" cities, but this is awful. So in a sense, I know why they never support the US. In another sense, their politicians are pussies. People in this world have become complacent. "Don't touch my stuff, and you can do as you please." More and more we're seeing the repercusions of this mindset. I'm not saying that this doesn't exist in the US, hell, when was the last 60s-style political march in the USA? And no, the (0.5*)million man march doesn't count.
Any which way you slice it, the Middle East will end up in a big fucking war. Why? Lets say Iraq (since it's the most visible target these days) gets Nukes. What are they going to do with them? Survey says: Hit Israel. They respond with Nukes, Egypt, Saudi Arabia, et al respond with conventional weapons, Israel responds with an ass kicking by the aid of the US. Anyone ever consider why most of the other nations in the middle east oppose an Iraq regime change? Pure & Simple: Lets say we give Iraqies a taste of democracy (the right to vote, etc). Well, word will spread to Saudi Arabia ("Yeah, why don't we have this here?") The "Royal" families that rule many of these countries would be in deep shit.
I was re-reading one of the 9/11/01 posts on/. a few minutes ago that simply states: "BOMB THOSE BASTARDS BACK TO THE STONEAGE!" The problem is, they are still IN the stoneage culturally & politically. If the regimes/media in those nations can create hatred among the people of the US/democracy, then it stands to reason they won't have to worry about that in their country.
One of the world's most respected statesmen, Nelson Mandela, has condemned United States intervention in the Middle East as "a threat to world peace".
World Peace is a myth. There has always been war somewhere in the world. If it wasn't for the USA's help, the world would be a much worse place. I'm tired of seeing many people hate the USA for whatever reason(s) they have and yet I look at their clothes and see Levis, Nike, etc. I look at their music and I see them trying to imitate the american style. It disgusts me to say that I have met people (of middle eastern descent) in France who were proud of 9/11 (so I was told after meeting them). Hypocracy is rampant in our world. People only believe what they are spoonfed by the media or their religious leaders. I wish people would learn to analyze the information they are fed.
...hahahaha... Using Linux/OSS pretty much means you are an ubergeek. There's no way to make it be cool at the moment.
SuperNerd: Hey man check out this Linux thing it is Soooo COOL." JoeUser: What's so cool about it? SuperNerd: Well look it does all this stuff that Winbloze does and it's free from the Microsoft Evil Empire's control JoeUser: Umm. Who cares?. *translation: You must have nothing better to do than waste your time hating some company*
In all honestly slashdot's articles lately have been pretty flaky. Dup posts in the same 24 hour period to name but 1 issue that has plagued/., overly biased stories, etc. I think some of these guys need to go outside once in a while. It seems like they've got tunnel vision when it comes to Linux/OSS. This is NOT a flame. I like Linux and Windows 2K.
On that same note: Both have their own rightful place. Microsoft behaves like any other corporation would in their situation. They're trying to protect/expand their market. Unfortunately the end users wind up losing some functionality/choices in the process. The cliche "Money makes the world go round" has plenty of truth to it - even in the OSS community. RedHat offers consulting services. They are not doing it for the good of the community. Yes, it's great that Linux & other OSS started as just hobby projects. But at some scale/level, they are no longer manageable without some influx of cash (You have to pay your developers/infrastructure) Sorry for the rant, but I just don't understand why the/. community loves to hate companies that sell software (Oracle/Microsoft/etc). Microsoft is the 'King of the hill' and thus an obvious target, but lets not behave childishly. This isn't a troll. It's just my own (hopefully) balanced opinion.
"I'm third-generation Irish-American. I don't give a plug nickel if someone calls me "mick" -- indeed, I'd probably laugh it off the same way you do....Why? Because at that point, we hadn't "made it" yet." ::snip::
"Tell me this... If you didn't think it offended to call someone "fag" -- if words don't mean anything -- then why was it funny?"
So you can laugh at "mick" and I can laugh at "wop" but we can't laugh at "fag" because they haven't "made it" yet? Made what? Been accepted? Excuse me - but why do you need to be accepted by a bunch of people you don't know, shouldn't care about? It sounds like people aren't happy because everyone in the big sandbox we call the world doesn't share the same opinions. My brother's gay - who gives a shit? oh my god, he's a fag-wop. They're words, nothing but words... I'm italian, french, american and guess what - I don't fit in perfectly into any nationality, category...my friends don't share the same views on alot of shit.
"I may not agree with what you say, but to your death I will defend your right to say it" - Voltaire.
Think about that quote before you throw everyone the Politically Correct line.
99.9% of the time my policy is - if I don't agree with your opinion (or comments/racial-slurs) or see it flawed in some logical sense, then I'll disregard it and not take offense and if it's funny - I'll laugh.
If you're a fag, There's no reason not to be proud of it. If someone calls you a fag, a real quick "So?" will usually shut them the fuck up. Same with "Nigger", Spic, WOP. People are just not secure enough about who & what they are. So all you "Niggers", "Fags", "WOPs", "Spics", etc...be proud of what you are.
I think a good 70 years is long enough to be "oppressed" (btw I hate that word.) I've heard stories from older teachers that said they couldn't get hired b/c of laws that stated you couldn't get XYZ job if your name ended in a vowel (in the 50s-60s?) in some places. How many I-talians do you know that have last names NOT ending in a vowel? Is it true? I don't know. I don't have too much trouble believing it. But in the end, we don't give a shit anymore. We got a decent living in the end, you can call us anything you want.
So it was ok to call people fags before that happened? You should think your logic through. People differentiate themselves and others by their differenses, be it race, social/economic class, sexual preference, attractiveness, blah blah. If you're offended by the words used to describe them, or their uses to demean others, well, don't use em. That's YOUR choice baby. Freedom of speech, we still have that in verbal form. I grew up in a fairly diverse area and we had plenty of namecalling just for the sake of laughing. Loosen up folks. Life isn't always wholesome, clean, P.C. fun. Go watch Nickelodeon for that.
There's a law in NYS that says you can't talk with a handset in your car...well guess what everybody does? They don't care, the cops don't care. Personally, I'm going to be a bigger hazard trying to connect the stupid fucking hands-free thing in time to my phone while it's ringing before the caller hangs up. I like how it's illegal to drive with a handset but I can drive with a double-whopper with cheese in 1 hand and a supersize pepsi in the other. Way to go NYS legislation.
Oh come on now... Americans are SO thin-skinned. (Yes, I am an american) I'm also a "WOP" (italian) and if people say that I don't get offended. I laugh. If you can't laugh at yourself, you're gonna get your panties in a bunch over everytime someone opens their mouth. As far as "Nigger" & "Fag" - same deal. Self-esteem folks, Go get some.
"Eventually, he added, the city will have to purchase software from the company, but he said it would be a "minuscule" expense."
It doesn't say they will have to purchase THE software from Microsoft, only that they will have to eventually buy software from Microsoft. Granted, it isn't very specific, but get your shit straight.
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When they move to slow to release patches, /. is all over it, when they move too fast to do something else WHICH IS BENEFICIAL TO DEVELOPERS, we complain they move too fast. Nice double-standard.
Anyway, I'm surprised it's taken this long for this to hit /., usually anti-MS news is posted quickly, and the good stuff, like the release of Visual Studio .NET, is ignored.
/. (I was part of the discussion on the whole licensing issue and that was at least a couple of weeks ago (and I came in rather late in the discussion.))Anyway, there's as much shit-slinging in the OSS camp as there is in microsoft's camp. No matter which side you choose you're going wind up smelling like shit.
Another fine example of why I should (and have started to) stop reading
...(of course by community they mean the few guys they personally know and who make money using their MS knowledge)
The few guys? Lets compare the number of people that make money off of Microsoft stuff compared to the number of people making money off of Linux stuff.
You are least-informed link, goodbye.
Can anyone who is competent in Windows 2000/XP administration/setup honestly remember the last time they got a core dump? If I get one it's usually because of a shoddy (beta) video driver.
Come on, find something valid to make fun of.
Taco can't help himself but bash Microsoft. Will we see a 1 year anniversary of Apache & Mozilla bugs/Linux Worms?
It's De-Monay! De-Monay! Say it!
Lets see how many get the reference.
competition breeds lower prices. What a concept!
"I dont think 'Nike' and 'Levi' should sybolize a nations worth."
It doesn't. I'm saying people in the world pick & choose what parts of America are 'cool'.
"America is most surely in a serious decline. Economially. Socially. Look at our familys. Look at our buisnesses. Look at our schools.""
And just look at our spelling =)
Really though, the world as a whole has been in an economic downswing. Personally I wouldn't want to be packed on an island like in a can of sardines.
"Compare them to a nation such as Japan, and then tell me who is to be emulated."
Why emulate anyone? Do your thing, we'll be fine Thanks.
And for the record, the reason that most countries in Europe don't ever really support any military action in the Middle East is because they have heap of middle eastern immigrants & descendants and they don't want to stir up trouble in their own countries. i.e. France. Having lived there, (also being a citizen of US & France), I can tell you that many of the younger generations of middle easterners (algeriens) like to cause a rukus. I hate stereotypes, but this one applies. Even in the small city where my relatives live in, I hear about random car burnings, garbages being lit on fire, etc, muggings, general harassment. People won't go out after 8pm. I thought things were bad in the US with respect to the "inner" cities, but this is awful. So in a sense, I know why they never support the US. In another sense, their politicians are pussies. People in this world have become complacent. "Don't touch my stuff, and you can do as you please." More and more we're seeing the repercusions of this mindset. I'm not saying that this doesn't exist in the US, hell, when was the last 60s-style political march in the USA? And no, the (0.5*)million man march doesn't count.
Any which way you slice it, the Middle East will end up in a big fucking war. Why? Lets say Iraq (since it's the most visible target these days) gets Nukes. What are they going to do with them? Survey says: Hit Israel. They respond with Nukes, Egypt, Saudi Arabia, et al respond with conventional weapons, Israel responds with an ass kicking by the aid of the US. Anyone ever consider why most of the other nations in the middle east oppose an Iraq regime change? Pure & Simple: Lets say we give Iraqies a taste of democracy (the right to vote, etc). Well, word will spread to Saudi Arabia ("Yeah, why don't we have this here?") The "Royal" families that rule many of these countries would be in deep shit.
/. a few minutes ago that simply states: "BOMB THOSE BASTARDS BACK TO THE STONEAGE!" The problem is, they are still IN the stoneage culturally & politically. If the regimes/media in those nations can create hatred among the people of the US/democracy, then it stands to reason they won't have to worry about that in their country.
I was re-reading one of the 9/11/01 posts on
One of the world's most respected statesmen, Nelson Mandela, has condemned United States intervention in the Middle East as "a threat to world peace".
World Peace is a myth. There has always been war somewhere in the world. If it wasn't for the USA's help, the world would be a much worse place. I'm tired of seeing many people hate the USA for whatever reason(s) they have and yet I look at their clothes and see Levis, Nike, etc. I look at their music and I see them trying to imitate the american style. It disgusts me to say that I have met people (of middle eastern descent) in France who were proud of 9/11 (so I was told after meeting them). Hypocracy is rampant in our world. People only believe what they are spoonfed by the media or their religious leaders. I wish people would learn to analyze the information they are fed.
Yes, I believe foxnews is going commercial free all day. Or it's CNN - it's definitely one of those two if not both.
...hahahaha...
Using Linux/OSS pretty much means you are an ubergeek. There's no way to make it be cool at the moment.
SuperNerd: Hey man check out this Linux thing it is Soooo COOL."
JoeUser: What's so cool about it?
SuperNerd: Well look it does all this stuff that Winbloze does and it's free from the Microsoft Evil Empire's control
JoeUser: Umm. Who cares?. *translation: You must have nothing better to do than waste your time hating some company*
Yes, this IS truly how Joe User would behave.
In all honestly slashdot's articles lately have been pretty flaky. Dup posts in the same 24 hour period to name but 1 issue that has plagued /., overly biased stories, etc. I think some of these guys need to go outside once in a while. It seems like they've got tunnel vision when it comes to Linux/OSS. This is NOT a flame. I like Linux and Windows 2K.
/. community loves to hate companies that sell software (Oracle/Microsoft/etc). Microsoft is the 'King of the hill' and thus an obvious target, but lets not behave childishly. This isn't a troll. It's just my own (hopefully) balanced opinion.
On that same note: Both have their own rightful place. Microsoft behaves like any other corporation would in their situation. They're trying to protect/expand their market. Unfortunately the end users wind up losing some functionality/choices in the process. The cliche "Money makes the world go round" has plenty of truth to it - even in the OSS community. RedHat offers consulting services. They are not doing it for the good of the community. Yes, it's great that Linux & other OSS started as just hobby projects. But at some scale/level, they are no longer manageable without some influx of cash (You have to pay your developers/infrastructure) Sorry for the rant, but I just don't understand why the
Come on folks. This repeat bullshit is crap.
The Aethera screenshots remind me of the dreaded Lotus Notes interface. I'm hoping it doesn't suck like Notes does from a UI/usability standpoint.
Yup unlimited cell minutes (locally) - check out www.cricketcommunications.com - That's what I have and I don't have a regular home phone anymore...
"I'm third-generation Irish-American. I don't give a plug nickel if someone calls me "mick" -- indeed, I'd probably laugh it off the same way you do. ...Why? Because at that point, we hadn't "made it" yet."
::snip::
"Tell me this... If you didn't think it offended to call someone "fag" -- if words don't mean anything -- then why was it funny?"
So you can laugh at "mick" and I can laugh at "wop" but we can't laugh at "fag" because they haven't "made it" yet? Made what? Been accepted? Excuse me - but why do you need to be accepted by a bunch of people you don't know, shouldn't care about? It sounds like people aren't happy because everyone in the big sandbox we call the world doesn't share the same opinions. My brother's gay - who gives a shit? oh my god, he's a fag-wop. They're words, nothing but words... I'm italian, french, american and guess what - I don't fit in perfectly into any nationality, category...my friends don't share the same views on alot of shit.
"I may not agree with what you say, but to your death I will defend your right to say it" - Voltaire.
Think about that quote before you throw everyone the Politically Correct line.
99.9% of the time my policy is - if I don't agree with your opinion (or comments/racial-slurs) or see it flawed in some logical sense, then I'll disregard it and not take offense and if it's funny - I'll laugh.
who you are? and of what you are?
If you're a fag, There's no reason not to be proud of it. If someone calls you a fag, a real quick "So?" will usually shut them the fuck up. Same with "Nigger", Spic, WOP. People are just not secure enough about who & what they are. So all you "Niggers", "Fags", "WOPs", "Spics", etc...be proud of what you are.
I think a good 70 years is long enough to be "oppressed" (btw I hate that word.) I've heard stories from older teachers that said they couldn't get hired b/c of laws that stated you couldn't get XYZ job if your name ended in a vowel (in the 50s-60s?) in some places. How many I-talians do you know that have last names NOT ending in a vowel? Is it true? I don't know. I don't have too much trouble believing it. But in the end, we don't give a shit anymore. We got a decent living in the end, you can call us anything you want.
So it was ok to call people fags before that happened? You should think your logic through. People differentiate themselves and others by their differenses, be it race, social/economic class, sexual preference, attractiveness, blah blah. If you're offended by the words used to describe them, or their uses to demean others, well, don't use em. That's YOUR choice baby. Freedom of speech, we still have that in verbal form. I grew up in a fairly diverse area and we had plenty of namecalling just for the sake of laughing. Loosen up folks. Life isn't always wholesome, clean, P.C. fun. Go watch Nickelodeon for that.
There's a law in NYS that says you can't talk with a handset in your car...well guess what everybody does? They don't care, the cops don't care. Personally, I'm going to be a bigger hazard trying to connect the stupid fucking hands-free thing in time to my phone while it's ringing before the caller hangs up. I like how it's illegal to drive with a handset but I can drive with a double-whopper with cheese in 1 hand and a supersize pepsi in the other. Way to go NYS legislation.
I don't know why this was moded down, he's right on most points.
Oh come on now... Americans are SO thin-skinned. (Yes, I am an american) I'm also a "WOP" (italian) and if people say that I don't get offended. I laugh. If you can't laugh at yourself, you're gonna get your panties in a bunch over everytime someone opens their mouth. As far as "Nigger" & "Fag" - same deal. Self-esteem folks, Go get some.
"Eventually, he added, the city will have to purchase software from the company, but he said it would be a "minuscule" expense."
It doesn't say they will have to purchase THE software from Microsoft, only that they will have to eventually buy software from Microsoft. Granted, it isn't very specific, but get your shit straight.