This isn't a bad move as I know Star Office 6 is pretty reliable as I purchased this for my dad, and he was able to open an MS Word documents (including a monster 15MB one) all on an old laptop.
Just wish Apple would Open Source AppleWorks and take over the GUI section of SO and OO though:).
"Were your argument true, that is that the behavior is based on price and lack of market share there should have been no difference between the behavior on/. before and after OS9. Instead we now see OSX being treated with the respect that/. gives to OSes they do take seriously like: Linux, MSFT, Solaris. People vigerously argue about the pluses and minuses; particularly value over quality. There is genuine interest in the platform even from its non users."
Here is the proof, 10.0 came out and there was very little interest in that product. Indeed it got slammed in many quarters, but 10.1 did fix a lot of those issues.
Also I think it just so happens Cmdr Taco et al like OS X a lot, so it gets much more coverage and its own section, should they have decided they didn't like it as much I am sure they would not have created so much interest amongst the./ crowd.
Saying that...I am definately seriously considering an iBook for my portable computer though (of course I'll be putting Linux on, or just get Fink going...).
You have a point, but you can also label yourself as 100% wrong too.
Why?
Because everyone is trying to paint the same ideas with one brush and its far more complex than that. I have used Mac's and they are fine, OS X for me is much better than OS 9 in my opinion, but I prefer the configurability of KDE and its wide free open source choice and the fact that it is sooo open.
I sed Mac, Linux and some Windows. Mainly use Mac's and Linux, and I seemost people miss the point, as does the person writing the article:
People have more than computer, be it a notebook or multiple Desktops. So who is actually moving over fully? Few people. Who is now adding Mac's to their networks...Many more and I think you'll find most "geeks" will continue to use and improve upon Linux in great ways from lessons learned from Mac Land. the Big loser is potentially Windows...So Go Mac, Go Linux, hit them where it hurts in the Desktop market.
Saying that, I have no interest in Mac desktops, use them all day at work and I always love coming home to my Linux boxes. But being able to seamlessly ssh in from work is fun...Notebooks, well Apple portables are certainly value for money snd they will integrate into my existing network with relative ease:).
Not likely in this case as showeq will not give you items, or help you make some items through macro's, or other forms of cheating.
Most useful function for showeq was actually getting around without getting lost, its not used for duping at all thankfully.
this was an issue a few months ago, massive amounts of coin was being "macroed" (someone at a trader running macro's that used bugs in the code to get very rich). Sony seriously cut down on those exploiters awhile ago as it was ruining the game economy like you mention, but showeq did not have this function.
Showeq is good utility that can be used to assist players who routinely get lost in large zones (and then killed, who then create more work for the Game Masters who have tell them tough shit that they got lost and killed by a bunch of creatures...). But, in the wrong hands it can be used for players for doing worse things, like finding that elusive mob from way across the zone.
Have some experience with the PS2 online
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Been beta testing EverQuest Online Adventures, its been fun thus far. Don't have an Xbox, I'd be interested in its online setup. Do you have to use MSN? Doubt that will happen, at least for the time being...
For comparison though, it was $39.99 for the PS2's Network adapter and a card for a free game to play on-line. Included is the usual demo's, but the big thing is no need to pay any yearly fee's, although that will probably come with some games (or some form of monthly access...).
With the Xbox, will this happen? Or is that a one time yearly fee with content from various games free online? Maybe you will have to pay individual companies a monthly fee seperately from MSFT's tax? Will it only work with Xbox live? If you decide you want to head out alone will you be able to? they have sunk so much money into the Xbox and intend to do more, but they will at one time or another actually want to make as big a profit as possible.
Thanks to some bugs quite a few people used macro's to actually get a lot of money, and subsequently flooded the market with a millions of plat for relatively cheap price.
This actually caused issues to the economy in that platinum was now rather worthless...Quite interesting on how this effected the economy of EQ.
"1/ They said a linux client was going to be in the box. It is not."
They said they planned to have all three included in one box, plans unfortuantly can and do change. At least the Windows users got to beta test it for us.
"2/ suddenly you need windows installed to install linux things. I don't have that."
Yeah, but the client once out will extract those files, if not I am sure that Tuxgames will make an installer for it themselves that requires no damn Windows.
"3/ the eula:
I've read it and section 5 wich grants infogrammes rights to publish MY work without MY concent is illegal in MY country which happens to be Infogramme's country too.
you hereby grant back to Infogrames and BioWare an irrevocable royalty-free right to use and distribute such Variations by any means, and to make such modifications thereto as Infogrames and/or BioWare deem are necessary to package, combine, and otherwise distribute such Variations. "
First of all I am glad that the EULA has been changed and seems to meet better approval. We really should thank them for doing this. Unlike Blizzard Bioware have listened to their customers and have not sued them.
But, people are wondering about the Linux port, so here is what we know:
"The PC version of Neverwinter Nights will ship to retailers before the end of June. Linux gamers can anticipate the online release of the Neverwinter Nights server at launch and the client program shortly afterward. Linux gamers will still need the Windows version of the game to register at the Neverwinter Nights community site (http://neverwinternights.com) and to import essential game resources into their Linux server and game."
Thats from the press release, this was followed in the forums that Bioware are going to release those, but no mention is made about maintainability, we do not know if they are going to keep the Linux version up to date.
NeverWinter Nights is right now appearing in stores, and from what I heard the server version for Linux should be available this week.
To set minds at ease we figured that you need the Windows version to register the game as it contains the CD key, as well as the game data. We just await the installers.
I used to eat lots of meat now I don't. I know you're thinking of cheetah's or something...
Actually I'd argue that the market forces change, they do not need to change yet because they still totally dominate, however should they lose too much they will re-think and quite possibily change. Really I do not think MSFT is a unique company being in a unique position...It would be well worth looking at History.
>The sad fact is there's no money to be made in >the Linux desktop market. Linux user's don't buy >desktop apps, they don't buy games...
That line is a crock of BS. Most users in my Linux Users did in fact buy Linux games, and many others I know actually purchased Crossover apps. But its a competitive market in certain areas, indeed for one to release an Office app you're up against quite a few free versions that actually work pretty well. Compare the how Appleworks deals with docs vs OpenOffice or Abiword for a good comparison. Actually insulting to say that because I use Linux I don't pay for desktop apps...If its worth it would:). Crossover comes to mind.
If you are thinking about Loki, well read the numerous articles about how it was run and how they mis-judged the size of the market amongst other things.
>For most software, any money a developer spends >creating and supporting a Linux version of their >software is money that is pissed away, never to >be recouped. That's no way to run a business.
How much money is RealMedia pissing away on free versions of realplayer? That has its own cost too. Its the understanding of the market and what the market needs, if you decide to sell a text editor when the market has a hundred then you deserve to fail.
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Miss it too, just wish I could update RPM's as quickly as one did with yast1.
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This isn't a bad move as I know Star Office 6 is pretty reliable as I purchased this for my dad, and he was able to open an MS Word documents (including a monster 15MB one) all on an old laptop.
:).
Just wish Apple would Open Source AppleWorks and take over the GUI section of SO and OO though
StarTux
"Were your argument true, that is that the behavior is based on price and lack of market share there should have been no difference between the behavior on /. before and after OS9. Instead we now see OSX being treated with the respect that /. gives to OSes they do take seriously like: Linux, MSFT, Solaris. People vigerously argue about the pluses and minuses; particularly value over quality. There is genuine interest in the platform even from its non users."
./ crowd.
Here is the proof, 10.0 came out and there was very little interest in that product. Indeed it got slammed in many quarters, but 10.1 did fix a lot of those issues.
Also I think it just so happens Cmdr Taco et al like OS X a lot, so it gets much more coverage and its own section, should they have decided they didn't like it as much I am sure they would not have created so much interest amongst the
Saying that...I am definately seriously considering an iBook for my portable computer though (of course I'll be putting Linux on, or just get Fink going...).
StarTux
You have a point, but you can also label yourself as 100% wrong too.
Why?
Because everyone is trying to paint the same ideas with one brush and its far more complex than that. I have used Mac's and they are fine, OS X for me is much better than OS 9 in my opinion, but I prefer the configurability of KDE and its wide free open source choice and the fact that it is sooo open.
To someone else I am 100% wrong also...
StarTux
I sed Mac, Linux and some Windows. Mainly use Mac's and Linux, and I seemost people miss the point, as does the person writing the article:
:).
People have more than computer, be it a notebook or multiple Desktops. So who is actually moving over fully? Few people. Who is now adding Mac's to their networks...Many more and I think you'll find most "geeks" will continue to use and improve upon Linux in great ways from lessons learned from Mac Land. the Big loser is potentially Windows...So Go Mac, Go Linux, hit them where it hurts in the Desktop market.
Saying that, I have no interest in Mac desktops, use them all day at work and I always love coming home to my Linux boxes. But being able to seamlessly ssh in from work is fun...Notebooks, well Apple portables are certainly value for money snd they will integrate into my existing network with relative ease
StarTux
Not likely in this case as showeq will not give you items, or help you make some items through macro's, or other forms of cheating.
Most useful function for showeq was actually getting around without getting lost, its not used for duping at all thankfully.
this was an issue a few months ago, massive amounts of coin was being "macroed" (someone at a trader running macro's that used bugs in the code to get very rich). Sony seriously cut down on those exploiters awhile ago as it was ruining the game economy like you mention, but showeq did not have this function.
Showeq is good utility that can be used to assist players who routinely get lost in large zones (and then killed, who then create more work for the Game Masters who have tell them tough shit that they got lost and killed by a bunch of creatures...). But, in the wrong hands it can be used for players for doing worse things, like finding that elusive mob from way across the zone.
Been beta testing EverQuest Online Adventures, its been fun thus far. Don't have an Xbox, I'd be interested in its online setup. Do you have to use MSN? Doubt that will happen, at least for the time being...
For comparison though, it was $39.99 for the PS2's Network adapter and a card for a free game to play on-line. Included is the usual demo's, but the big thing is no need to pay any yearly fee's, although that will probably come with some games (or some form of monthly access...).
With the Xbox, will this happen? Or is that a one time yearly fee with content from various games free online? Maybe you will have to pay individual companies a monthly fee seperately from MSFT's tax? Will it only work with Xbox live? If you decide you want to head out alone will you be able to? they have sunk so much money into the Xbox and intend to do more, but they will at one time or another actually want to make as big a profit as possible.
StarTux
Also you can get a new version of Red Carpet that works with the newer distributions, guess you want a list:
:).
Mandrake 9.0
Redhat 8.0
SuSE 8.1
Thats it for now, but sure does make the job of getting Evolution simpler. Not to mention the eventual release of all the other goodies
StarTux
Thanks to some bugs quite a few people used macro's to actually get a lot of money, and subsequently flooded the market with a millions of plat for relatively cheap price.
This actually caused issues to the economy in that platinum was now rather worthless...Quite interesting on how this effected the economy of EQ.
StarTux
"I was up and running in less than one day, Girl Scout's honor."
As soon as someone says that you know they are doing so with their fingers crossed behind their backs!
StarTux
WineX is for games, not business apps. In fact CodeWeavers seem to be taking care of the business side of things.
http://www.codeweavers.com
That should help.
StarTux
In my opinion its far better than what you're saying, single player is not that bad imho.
Actually tried Dungeon Siege, nice graphics, but with much more repetition than NWN. DS is far more monontonous than NWN.
Maybe load screens do not bother me as much, as long as the rest of teh game is good.
StarTux
Says it all.
First they pick on Apple...Then they pick on Linux...
These losers need to go home.
StarTux
Anti-virus is needed if:
1. You use Office for X
2. You like Macro's.
StarTux
So you're waiting for the Linux client too?
:).
Wonder if you've joined the chorus of Penguins over on nwn.bioware.com asking for it
Brain activity...Maybe that explains why I like to sleep so mu...zzzzz
StarTux
"1/ They said a linux client was going to be in the box.
It is not."
They said they planned to have all three included in one box, plans unfortuantly can and do change. At least the Windows users got to beta test it for us.
"2/ suddenly you need windows installed to install linux things.
I don't have that."
Yeah, but the client once out will extract those files, if not I am sure that Tuxgames will make an installer for it themselves that requires no damn Windows.
"3/ the eula:
I've read it and section 5 wich grants infogrammes rights to publish MY work without MY concent is illegal in MY country which happens to be Infogramme's country too.
you hereby grant back to Infogrames and BioWare an irrevocable royalty-free right to use and distribute such Variations by any means, and to make such modifications thereto as Infogrames and/or BioWare deem are necessary to package, combine, and otherwise distribute such Variations. "
Someone already pointed out that this changed...
StarTux
Chck this out for the Toolset:
http://nwwine.beergeek.net/
Its being worked on through Wine.
StarTux
Long dfay at work...Meant to say tis good that Bioware like Linux, not so great that InstlalShield sucks :)
StarTux
That does suck...And then throw in Install shield leads to a few issues :(. But this is good of course, thanks Bioware.
Oh well at least this is here!!!!
Next up, client!
Fuzzle
"First they ignored us, then they laughed at us, then they fought us, then we won"
Not quite finished...
"then we struck back as we are Evil and they are Good, now they are slaves to our evil Mouse mwhuahaha"
StarTux
First of all I am glad that the EULA has been changed and seems to meet better approval. We really should thank them for doing this. Unlike Blizzard Bioware have listened to their customers and have not sued them.
But, people are wondering about the Linux port, so here is what we know:
"The PC version of Neverwinter Nights will ship to retailers before the end of June. Linux gamers can anticipate the online release of the Neverwinter Nights server at launch and the client program shortly afterward. Linux gamers will still need the Windows version of the game to register at the Neverwinter Nights community site (http://neverwinternights.com) and to import essential game resources into their Linux server and game."
Thats from the press release, this was followed in the forums that Bioware are going to release those, but no mention is made about maintainability, we do not know if they are going to keep the Linux version up to date.
NeverWinter Nights is right now appearing in stores, and from what I heard the server version for Linux should be available this week.
To set minds at ease we figured that you need the Windows version to register the game as it contains the CD key, as well as the game data. We just await the installers.
StarTux
But also check out the links, they even have the Peruvian government one listed next to this story.
Interesting time are ahead I think and hope.
StarTux
>You cannot convert a predator to a vegetarian
I used to eat lots of meat now I don't. I know you're thinking of cheetah's or something...
Actually I'd argue that the market forces change, they do not need to change yet because they still totally dominate, however should they lose too much they will re-think and quite possibily change. Really I do not think MSFT is a unique company being in a unique position...It would be well worth looking at History.
StarTux
You think that all MSFT Windows users pay for Office?
Out of all the individuals I knew I cannot remember a single one buying it, beyond some educational discount, which was then copied to all his mates.
You see, its natural to share.
>The sad fact is there's no money to be made in >the Linux desktop market. Linux user's don't buy >desktop apps, they don't buy games...
:). Crossover comes to mind.
That line is a crock of BS. Most users in my Linux Users did in fact buy Linux games, and many others I know actually purchased Crossover apps. But its a competitive market in certain areas, indeed for one to release an Office app you're up against quite a few free versions that actually work pretty well. Compare the how Appleworks deals with docs vs OpenOffice or Abiword for a good comparison. Actually insulting to say that because I use Linux I don't pay for desktop apps...If its worth it would
If you are thinking about Loki, well read the numerous articles about how it was run and how they mis-judged the size of the market amongst other things.
>For most software, any money a developer spends >creating and supporting a Linux version of their >software is money that is pissed away, never to >be recouped. That's no way to run a business.
How much money is RealMedia pissing away on free versions of realplayer? That has its own cost too. Its the understanding of the market and what the market needs, if you decide to sell a text editor when the market has a hundred then you deserve to fail.
Miss it too, just wish I could update RPM's as quickly as one did with yast1.
StarTux