Re:It's the *story* that makes it a good film.
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Message in a Battle
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So what exactly is your point? If a part of a story is left out then the story itself is ruined, OR at the least only half told.. which imo means not as good. Was your original intention to refute the opinion that rotk wouldn't have been as good w/o the large battles, or to further support that opnion?
Hmm one of slashdots infamous broken records. Got any evidence, or did you just hear someone else on slashdot say it so it must be true? Do you have any idea what it takes for an open source project to become popular enough that a significant external pool of patches are supplied? Oh, and the random person giving you a fix to an off by one error doesn't count. Also, only a fool would recommend OSS to a friend/family member solely because it was OSS. They'd do it if and because it was better. Besides there are chip manufacturers who have had no problem providing the OSS community with information in order to help develop OSS drivers.. and forgive me if this steps on toes, but the OSS dri drivers aren't exactly professional grade.
I thought measuring the quality of a video card by it's RAM size died with measuring the quality of a console gaming system by it's "bits." You seriously think nvidia and radeon are throwing all that money at r&d to increase the amount of memory on their cards? Do you also seriously not realize that people don't just buy these $200 cards to play dvds? Even your $10 voodoo card's main selling point wasn't it's ability to handle dvd playback. Most people buy them to play pretty games. Anyone who says otherwise either doesn't realize that's their purpose (ppl like you maybe?) or got scammed into buying one. If that makes us vain or seems like it's a waste of time then that is your opnion, and an opinion is all it is.
One of the things I have done at the deparment in my uni I work at is create a novell -> samba bridge to allow local admiinitration of user accounts. Our IT department hates me for it, but the faculty and department head love it. I don't know about linux acting as a novell server or if it is even capable, but novell client black art is something I'd respect. The utilities to get such a setup working are a black box with old documentation and confusing configuration, but after several e-mails with the author of ncputils and a LOOOOOT of hacking around I've figured almost all if it out. Now I map the entire public novell diretory services tree and all directory servies printers through samba acting as a domain controller with roaming profiles. Soon I intend to remove the novell mapping and convert to cups using the windows and adobe postscript drivers to allow departmental quotas, time limits, and page counting to work and be maintained by the department and not a hard to get in touch with overworked IT department. Kinda sad about it in a way because printing to NDS was the hardest part to figure out.
Anyways that's my novell on linux story. Would anyone mind filling me in on options for linux as a novell server? I'll probably never use it as one but I like to know these things just for the sake of knowing. Only problem is I got too many other things to learn first before I spend time researching it. Therefore comments from people who already have would be greatly appreciated.
... that having the ad not steal focus from the top level window instead of the other way around is not obvious? That's like saying serving coffee chilled when it's hot outside instead of hot isn't obvious. Don't even get me started on calling such an "innovative technique" a business model. Perhaps you are right about some of the patents slashdot has focused on, but not admitting that there is a problem when some guy can say "can you see the difference? I only clicked ONE time! Now gimme patent." and actually get it tells me perhaps you don't fully understand what is happening in the patent office lately.
If I were you and wanted to waste my time griping to a biased news site I'd gripe about how frivilous patents are old news, and that it has always been the role of the courts to overturn them. Something along those lines at least...
(Disclaimer: For christs sake it's slashdot, I don't give a shit about my spelling or grammer.)
You run into the same problems with this as using something like directcd for cd-rw's. Flash degrades over time especially if it is written to constantly.
Are you sure about that? Would copying the contents of your brain to an artificial brain then disposing of you be considered killing? Surely the copy is not the same person. It may be identical in personality and memories, but you were "disposed of." Is there a difference between being clinicly brain dead then revived and this sort of copy? These are big issues not to be shrugged off this easily. This kind of things will force is to face very delicate and long ignored issues we don't really have to now.
You make it sound easy, but when the time comes it really won't be. I hope those in power don't shrug it off as easily.
I have to assume from this that you had an open relay running, and if so then good for ordb for blacklisting you. Open relays are one of the biggest problems.
There are companies that specialize in retrieving data from that mess you make with a screwdriver. Did it ever occur to you to just use a demagnetizer?
Also, I have been raided by the fbi and yes, they take everything. If you have something scribbled down on a napkin from wendy's the looks like it could be computer related they take it. I was fortunate in that they sent all my stuff back. Plus I got all these nifty fbi evidence stickers!
You are right...and as soon as I think one of my neighbors can/will do that, I'll upgrade my wireless network security.
Can you say war driving? I'd be on your network in no time, and god knows what kinds of goodies I could find. If you run windows on any of your computers you'd be amazed at the sheer amount of fun stuff it keeps records of without your knowledge.
Re:Why FVWM matters
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Either you are a really good troll or you truely believe what you just said. Perhaps you don't realize the elitism and self induced masochism behind your words.. perhaps you do. Either way, I feel compelled to make a counter, and I intend it to be as vague and pointless as your perspective.
A lot of folks seem to think that Windows represents the pinnacle of GUI aesthetics, and that everything else (except Apple) should try to copy it. These folks look down on fvwm as "not even as good as Windows 3.1".
First, I do not see how believing fvwm lags behind Windows 3.1 in technology as saying the same thing as Windows is the pinnacle of GUI aesthetics. Please do not put words into peoples mouths to suit your needs. Most people mean exactly what they say. When I say product A is not as good as product B I do not hide any subtext claiming product B is the best. Just that it's better. (For the record, I do NOT think windows 3.1 is better than fvwm, not by a long shot.)
I don't agree. I like the Unix desktop at its most Unixy - clean, efficient andminimal. No need to waste pixels catering for an idiot when this desktop is the interface for a computer professional. But if I wanted to waste some pixels, and I have in the past, I'd waste them on stuff that looks cool to my aesthetic, not what looks reassuring to some marketer trying to soothe the average user.
This may be a given, but minimal does not imply efficien tor clean, efficient does not imply minimal or clean, and clean does not imply efficient or minimal. These are all seperate and non-related attributes. As a computer professional who stares at a monitor all damn day, I prefer to look at something pretty. Also, because my desktop is pretty does not mean I am a "clueless idiot newb" nor does it imply I do not know what I am doing. MY desktop is also pretty according to my tastes, and not the tastes of a marketing rep. See, most of us don't configure our computers to be what other people think they should be, and the fact that you would presume we do is flat out insulting.
They aren't trying to be "as good as Windows 3.1". They're in a totally different space. Just because they run on PC hardware now doesn't mean they partake of the PC mentality. These WM's can be configured from minimal to maximal, but at maximal they express a strong aesthetic that's quite different from consumer OS's.
As ambiguous as this is I will attempt to make sense of this. I do not know exactly what you mean by "PC Mentality" as I do not see how the goals of PC users are any different from any computer user. Most of us just want to use our PC's to do what we do, and to be able to do that in a manner that we enjoy. MOST of us don't think we should make our computing experience feel like hard work. This is, however, not the typical attitude of the elitist.
I am, as you may have guessed, a KDE user. Seeing as the whole of KDE is an environment and not a simple window manager most comparisons are immediately invalid or rediculous. I will try to make one though. I can configure KDE to present me with nothing but a background color and a mouse cursor. I can have it present a simple hard to read application menu when I click on this solid colored desktop. I can even have the window frame only be 1 pixel largeon the sides and bottom and 5 pixels large on the top. I can configure it to switch desktops with the mouse wheel or simply by moving the cursor to the edge of the screen and "push" into the next one. I can make it act like any minimal window manager you use, or I could have icons littering my desktop, a full size kicker bar, huge animated mouse cursors, and a liud and obnoxious sound for every little action that can be performed. So.. does that make my wm configurable enough for your stringent standards?
Forget about "user friendliness". Real WM's are delicately balanced between aesthetics and efficiency, leaving little room for user-friendliness, which means accomodation to beginners.
Please don't pat yourself on the back for being the first person to think of this. This is an old idea that is just exceedingly difficult to produce. Hidden surface removal, physics models, linear game development or some other method to restrict overall access of player all suffer huge complexity increases, among other things. Kind of pointless to have the new guy blow a hole in the wall to fight the final battle prematurely.
Not only do you have to define exactly how something breaks based on how it is hit, but you have to model each material on its own. It will happen someday, but this is complicated stuff so give it time.
Some of us like to keep our brains turned on and need a well thought out story that causes one to think about things differently after experiencing it. It just isn't worth it otherwise; you just wasted time. Different people are entertained in different ways. For example, as you so beautifully put, some people prefer no sort of intellectual stimulation or ideas/questions that make you think. Some of us like to piece together a bit at a time a wonderful story that makes you feel... just feel. For some of us it's all about emotion. I want to be able to know the characters in the story so well that I get sad when shit goes wrong, and rejoice when it does not. I want a character so well developed that had I not known any better, I would mistake for a real person with their own personality and style.
However, this is going nowhere, and judging by your attitude when posting may not ever go anywhere. There are a stunning amount of people out there that think their views and tastes are the norm, and try to force those views and tastes on others. I hope you do not intend to be one of those types.
I will play that which is capable of keeping me entertained, now matter how rare such an intelligent title appears, and I don't care if you play the next lame generic shoot 'em up everytime one is released. Lets leave each other in peace.
(BTW: I enjoyed reading the DOOM story in the instruction manual 'cause, you know, I actually have one with an actual pressed cd in an actual retail box. It really helped the environment to me to know the background behind the situation of the main character.)
These questions are not ignored. They have been answered. You apparantly just don't want to look hard enough for the answers. Look harder... (if it helps, I found out all these facts in a pc gamer article which is bound to be on the web by now).
It's always nice to know that there are cool headed people out there who know how to sternly yet calmly reply to these sorts of letters in self defense. It really reflects on the internet community as a whole making us appear to be mature adults who are willing to work with people in order to make everyone happy... F*ck it, I got too much of a hangover to continue the sarcastic portion of this post.
You actually said you'd "own" him? You make the lot of us look bad and I hope you rot in hell. There, nice and to the point.
Wow... I know this is a bit off topic, but replace a few key words and dates and this sounds like one of my modern video games rant;). I even mention the guys at id software when doom was new saying how they just tried to make a game they'd want to play.:)
Think about what your saying. A hardware voxel accelerater would still be limited by todays technology... it's not much different from making an entire came world out of 3d cubes. However, if you want to read some interesting ideas on what should dethrone raster based polygon renderers, check out the real time ray tracing project. They have theories and even som enumbers showing how after a while... ray tracing becomes more efficient than trying to pump out another 300,000 polygons to get more detail. Real time ray tracing/radiosity is the future! >:)
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So what exactly is your point? If a part of a story is left out then the story itself is ruined, OR at the least only half told.. which imo means not as good. Was your original intention to refute the opinion that rotk wouldn't have been as good w/o the large battles, or to further support that opnion?
Sigh of all the things to create a belief system around..
Thank you nvidia for allowing me to use my video card to it's fullest on my OS of choice trouble free. Some of us do appreciate it.
Hmm one of slashdots infamous broken records. Got any evidence, or did you just hear someone else on slashdot say it so it must be true? Do you have any idea what it takes for an open source project to become popular enough that a significant external pool of patches are supplied? Oh, and the random person giving you a fix to an off by one error doesn't count. Also, only a fool would recommend OSS to a friend/family member solely because it was OSS. They'd do it if and because it was better. Besides there are chip manufacturers who have had no problem providing the OSS community with information in order to help develop OSS drivers.. and forgive me if this steps on toes, but the OSS dri drivers aren't exactly professional grade.
"Supposedly the only great thing was the FSAA quality but... you don't buy a card just for that, shurely?"
:P
Wait... wasn't that why ppl bought the Radeon 9700? As I recall geforce's always met or exceeded the non-fsaa radeon scores.
I thought measuring the quality of a video card by it's RAM size died with measuring the quality of a console gaming system by it's "bits." You seriously think nvidia and radeon are throwing all that money at r&d to increase the amount of memory on their cards? Do you also seriously not realize that people don't just buy these $200 cards to play dvds? Even your $10 voodoo card's main selling point wasn't it's ability to handle dvd playback. Most people buy them to play pretty games. Anyone who says otherwise either doesn't realize that's their purpose (ppl like you maybe?) or got scammed into buying one. If that makes us vain or seems like it's a waste of time then that is your opnion, and an opinion is all it is.
Who really wants all this shadowing, and translucent windows, and animated desktop graphics?
Me
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One of the things I have done at the deparment in my uni I work at is create a novell -> samba bridge to allow local admiinitration of user accounts. Our IT department hates me for it, but the faculty and department head love it. I don't know about linux acting as a novell server or if it is even capable, but novell client black art is something I'd respect. The utilities to get such a setup working are a black box with old documentation and confusing configuration, but after several e-mails with the author of ncputils and a LOOOOOT of hacking around I've figured almost all if it out. Now I map the entire public novell diretory services tree and all directory servies printers through samba acting as a domain controller with roaming profiles. Soon I intend to remove the novell mapping and convert to cups using the windows and adobe postscript drivers to allow departmental quotas, time limits, and page counting to work and be maintained by the department and not a hard to get in touch with overworked IT department. Kinda sad about it in a way because printing to NDS was the hardest part to figure out.
Anyways that's my novell on linux story. Would anyone mind filling me in on options for linux as a novell server? I'll probably never use it as one but I like to know these things just for the sake of knowing. Only problem is I got too many other things to learn first before I spend time researching it. Therefore comments from people who already have would be greatly appreciated.
NAT is a hack
... that having the ad not steal focus from the top level window instead of the other way around is not obvious? That's like saying serving coffee chilled when it's hot outside instead of hot isn't obvious. Don't even get me started on calling such an "innovative technique" a business model. Perhaps you are right about some of the patents slashdot has focused on, but not admitting that there is a problem when some guy can say "can you see the difference? I only clicked ONE time! Now gimme patent." and actually get it tells me perhaps you don't fully understand what is happening in the patent office lately.
If I were you and wanted to waste my time griping to a biased news site I'd gripe about how frivilous patents are old news, and that it has always been the role of the courts to overturn them. Something along those lines at least...
(Disclaimer: For christs sake it's slashdot, I don't give a shit about my spelling or grammer.)
You run into the same problems with this as using something like directcd for cd-rw's. Flash degrades over time especially if it is written to constantly.
Are you sure about that? Would copying the contents of your brain to an artificial brain then disposing of you be considered killing? Surely the copy is not the same person. It may be identical in personality and memories, but you were "disposed of." Is there a difference between being clinicly brain dead then revived and this sort of copy? These are big issues not to be shrugged off this easily. This kind of things will force is to face very delicate and long ignored issues we don't really have to now.
You make it sound easy, but when the time comes it really won't be. I hope those in power don't shrug it off as easily.
Which is fine I suppose, except that it seems a little beneath the editorial bar for the front page of Slashdot.
Have you been reading slashdot since... well at all?
I cleared up the problem (some ability to relay)
I have to assume from this that you had an open relay running, and if so then good for ordb for blacklisting you. Open relays are one of the biggest problems.
There are companies that specialize in retrieving data from that mess you make with a screwdriver. Did it ever occur to you to just use a demagnetizer?
Also, I have been raided by the fbi and yes, they take everything. If you have something scribbled down on a napkin from wendy's the looks like it could be computer related they take it. I was fortunate in that they sent all my stuff back. Plus I got all these nifty fbi evidence stickers!
I would just mod you down, but it'd probably more productive to just set you straight. So two points...
1) When nvidia worked with microsoft for the first xbox they didn't stop supporting linux
2) ATI hasn't stopped supporting linux.
Nothing more to see here.. move along.
You are right...and as soon as I think one of my neighbors can/will do that, I'll upgrade my wireless network security.
Can you say war driving? I'd be on your network in no time, and god knows what kinds of goodies I could find. If you run windows on any of your computers you'd be amazed at the sheer amount of fun stuff it keeps records of without your knowledge.
Either you are a really good troll or you truely believe what you just said. Perhaps you don't realize the elitism and self induced masochism behind your words.. perhaps you do. Either way, I feel compelled to make a counter, and I intend it to be as vague and pointless as your perspective.
A lot of folks seem to think that Windows represents the pinnacle of GUI aesthetics, and that everything else (except Apple) should try to copy it. These folks look down on fvwm as "not even as good as Windows 3.1".
First, I do not see how believing fvwm lags behind Windows 3.1 in technology as saying the same thing as Windows is the pinnacle of GUI aesthetics. Please do not put words into peoples mouths to suit your needs. Most people mean exactly what they say. When I say product A is not as good as product B I do not hide any subtext claiming product B is the best. Just that it's better. (For the record, I do NOT think windows 3.1 is better than fvwm, not by a long shot.)
I don't agree. I like the Unix desktop at its most Unixy - clean, efficient andminimal. No need to waste pixels catering for an idiot when this desktop is the interface for a computer professional. But if I wanted to waste some pixels, and I have in the past, I'd waste them on stuff that looks cool to my aesthetic, not what looks reassuring to some marketer trying to soothe the average user.
This may be a given, but minimal does not imply efficien tor clean, efficient does not imply minimal or clean, and clean does not imply efficient or minimal. These are all seperate and non-related attributes. As a computer professional who stares at a monitor all damn day, I prefer to look at something pretty. Also, because my desktop is pretty does not mean I am a "clueless idiot newb" nor does it imply I do not know what I am doing. MY desktop is also pretty according to my tastes, and not the tastes of a marketing rep. See, most of us don't configure our computers to be what other people think they should be, and the fact that you would presume we do is flat out insulting.
They aren't trying to be "as good as Windows 3.1". They're in a totally different space. Just because they run on PC hardware now doesn't mean they partake of the PC mentality. These WM's can be configured from minimal to maximal, but at maximal they express a strong aesthetic that's quite different from consumer OS's.
As ambiguous as this is I will attempt to make sense of this. I do not know exactly what you mean by "PC Mentality" as I do not see how the goals of PC users are any different from any computer user. Most of us just want to use our PC's to do what we do, and to be able to do that in a manner that we enjoy. MOST of us don't think we should make our computing experience feel like hard work. This is, however, not the typical attitude of the elitist.
I am, as you may have guessed, a KDE user. Seeing as the whole of KDE is an environment and not a simple window manager most comparisons are immediately invalid or rediculous. I will try to make one though. I can configure KDE to present me with nothing but a background color and a mouse cursor. I can have it present a simple hard to read application menu when I click on this solid colored desktop. I can even have the window frame only be 1 pixel largeon the sides and bottom and 5 pixels large on the top. I can configure it to switch desktops with the mouse wheel or simply by moving the cursor to the edge of the screen and "push" into the next one. I can make it act like any minimal window manager you use, or I could have icons littering my desktop, a full size kicker bar, huge animated mouse cursors, and a liud and obnoxious sound for every little action that can be performed. So.. does that make my wm configurable enough for your stringent standards?
Forget about "user friendliness". Real WM's are delicately balanced between aesthetics and efficiency, leaving little room for user-friendliness, which means accomodation to beginners.
Please don't pat yourself on the back for being the first person to think of this. This is an old idea that is just exceedingly difficult to produce. Hidden surface removal, physics models, linear game development or some other method to restrict overall access of player all suffer huge complexity increases, among other things. Kind of pointless to have the new guy blow a hole in the wall to fight the final battle prematurely.
Not only do you have to define exactly how something breaks based on how it is hit, but you have to model each material on its own. It will happen someday, but this is complicated stuff so give it time.
Some of us like to keep our brains turned on and need a well thought out story that causes one to think about things differently after experiencing it. It just isn't worth it otherwise; you just wasted time. Different people are entertained in different ways. For example, as you so beautifully put, some people prefer no sort of intellectual stimulation or ideas/questions that make you think. Some of us like to piece together a bit at a time a wonderful story that makes you feel... just feel. For some of us it's all about emotion. I want to be able to know the characters in the story so well that I get sad when shit goes wrong, and rejoice when it does not. I want a character so well developed that had I not known any better, I would mistake for a real person with their own personality and style.
However, this is going nowhere, and judging by your attitude when posting may not ever go anywhere. There are a stunning amount of people out there that think their views and tastes are the norm, and try to force those views and tastes on others. I hope you do not intend to be one of those types.
I will play that which is capable of keeping me entertained, now matter how rare such an intelligent title appears, and I don't care if you play the next lame generic shoot 'em up everytime one is released. Lets leave each other in peace.
(BTW: I enjoyed reading the DOOM story in the instruction manual 'cause, you know, I actually have one with an actual pressed cd in an actual retail box. It really helped the environment to me to know the background behind the situation of the main character.)
These questions are not ignored. They have been answered. You apparantly just don't want to look hard enough for the answers. Look harder... (if it helps, I found out all these facts in a pc gamer article which is bound to be on the web by now).
It's always nice to know that there are cool headed people out there who know how to sternly yet calmly reply to these sorts of letters in self defense. It really reflects on the internet community as a whole making us appear to be mature adults who are willing to work with people in order to make everyone happy... F*ck it, I got too much of a hangover to continue the sarcastic portion of this post.
You actually said you'd "own" him? You make the lot of us look bad and I hope you rot in hell. There, nice and to the point.
The idea of sitting around watching TV for 30 minuts seams.. alien.
:)
Ya no kidding... when Buffy and Angel are 60 minute long shows... 30 minutes is a bit strange..
Wow... I know this is a bit off topic, but replace a few key words and dates and this sounds like one of my modern video games rant ;). I even mention the guys at id software when doom was new saying how they just tried to make a game they'd want to play. :)
Think about what your saying. A hardware voxel accelerater would still be limited by todays technology... it's not much different from making an entire came world out of 3d cubes. However, if you want to read some interesting ideas on what should dethrone raster based polygon renderers, check out the real time ray tracing project. They have theories and even som enumbers showing how after a while... ray tracing becomes more efficient than trying to pump out another 300,000 polygons to get more detail. Real time ray tracing/radiosity is the future! >:)