36% of the children admitted to meeting with a stranger they had met online while fewer than 9% of the parents knew that their children had been engaging in such risky behavior.
I find it hard to believe that over a third of kids have met somebody online, and in real life. 36%????
Something is wrong with the study, the kids are lying, or it's being interpreted incorrectly. I'm just not buying it.
This argument always fascinates me. The same is true of your cable TV, but I don't see constant bitching about the cable pay model. The music goes away if you stop paying because you're paying for a SERVICE, not for the music. If you want to pay for the music, then Amazon/iTunes is all there for you. But to buy just what I have in my sansa right now you'd be paying about 5-10 years worth of rhapsody monthly fees. Do you think you'll still want all that music that far in the future? I know I don't listen to many of my old CDs, so Rhapsody is great value for me.
Yeah, but that argument doesn't hold water at all. Video is generally watched once or twice (with some exceptions) where music is listened to repeatedly. I want to rent video (because it's so much cheaper per viewing) and buy music (because I keep it and listen to it over and over, for years).
I can play MP3s in my living room (HTPC), bedroom (PC), truck (MP3 player/CD player), car (iPod + tape deck), motorcycle (cell phone + earbud) at work (thumb drive in my PC + speakers or iPod + speakers/earbuds) and on and on... I just don't have that flexibility with rental music. I'm also not interested in the "band of the week". I tend to listen to music for years, so renting doesn't do it for me. I guess if I was 15 again and listened to whatever the radio told me to, I'd rent.
My music collection is about 1,000 albums, and I've been buying CDs for 20 years (records for a few years before that).
If renting works for you, that's great. But the music/video comparison doesn't really work.
I actually feel bad for them for having to pay such a high price for their early bad decisions. I mean, I shit-canned them back in the late 90's when they pulled those stunts, but they've matured a lot, and are one of the most complete players out there (although.mov files have quit working on them recently).
I'm glad they are paying the price, if for no other reason to serve as an example.
They screwed the pooch - over and over again. They justifiably lost marketshare and honor and I sincerely hope that they are brought up as an example when companies are deciding to do something anti-consumer.
Perhaps they should have just changed their name and started over.
The company looses an employee. Frankly good workers are hard to get.
Good employees are hard (or easy) to get, depending on the industry. Right now, hiring people for jobs in the TV/Movie industry is easy. Very easy. There's a writers' strike, and almost nothing is being filmed.
Guys haven't worked in months (and November to January is usually slow anyway). Some of the best talent in the business is slumming for jobs now. On the other hand, I worked in the dot com era (in the tech industry) and employees got their asses kissed, because replacements were so hard to find. It all depends on the market. After the dot com bubble burst, I got into fabrication and effects, simply because tech jobs were so scarce. It turns out that I enjoy working with my hands and head, rather than just my head.
OSHA should take be involved with that as well as your insurance company.
Sure, I could put myself out of a job. On the other hand, I can be as safe as possible and not work with the guys who are dangerous. I make sure I don't do heights, and try and get on with the crew of smart guys with the smart foreman.
There is a reason for unionization. Protection from unjustified firings is one of them. Again, there's plenty of abusive union tactics out there, and plenty of lazy bastards being protected by them. There needs to be a middle ground.
As far as I I can see a Union is the last thing that employees should want. If you are getting abused in by your employer and the law alone will not protect you then yes you may need a Union.
I've worked union, as well as non-union shops. Until recently, in a non-union special effects shop in Hollywood (Burbank, actually). In my experience, the biggest difference, besides pay, is safety. In a union shop, if I think something is dangerous I can call for a shop steward and we can discuss the safety problem. In a non union shop, I can call the foreman and discuss the safety problem. The difference is that the union shop, in general, won't have the safety problem because they know it will stop work. The non-union shop has safety problems, and if you bring it to their attention, you don't work there for too much longer. And there's always somebody who's willing to work unsafely to be the macho, "I can do it with no gear" guy.
Here are some of the "safety problems" I'm referring to - from personal experience.
- Working from large heights with no safety gear, because it's "just for a few minutes".
- Workers standing under equipment being lifted, because it's "just for a little bit".
- Untrained guys driving heavy equipment (forklifts, etc) with little or no training, in a crowded space.
- The owner of the company accidentally hitting workers with forklifts or things being moved by the forklift, several times a year. Broken bones included.
There are plenty of good (and abusive) unions out there, but a lot of them are actually needed. In my opinion, when the company is large enough that the CEO/owner doesn't know you, you become just another replaceable item. That's the point when things can become very impersonal and you should consider some sort of group representation.
I've always wondered why Americans (I assume you're American) are so anti-French, especially when they helped you get independence from Britain etc, right? (Correct my poor history knowledge)
Because I went there, and was treated like shit. I spent 8 1/2 months traveling in Europe, and spent a good deal of time in many different cities and countries. I always did my best to learn some of the local language, customs, food, etc. I was treated well almost everywhere I went - except France. They were rude at almost every opportunity. The East German border guards were far more friendly than many of the French I had contact with.
I don't give a damn about their position on the Iraq war, nor how many times we've helped each other out, or how often they surrender.
They go out of their way to be a rude pain in the ass; they're the Sony of European countries.
US Safety, emissions, and import standards (enforced by too (anti?) competitive US Auto Makers) would make it at least $8,000, and who would buy a matchbox, compared to an (almost) full sized normal car?
What are the import standards you speak of? The other standards - safety & emissions have been fought by the big three as long as they have been proposed (seat belts, air bags, 5 mph bumpers, emission controls, CAFE...).
If you count IP infringements made by software vendors. Face it, in the world where One Click patent can even exits, you're _guaranteed_ to infringe on someone's intellectual property if your code is more complicated than "Hello world".
Not true, actually. I patented all uses of the letters in that order.
I used to lock myself out of my call all the time when I was younger. I only did it once or twice when I was 16, and then I started carrying a backup key in my wallet. Never again was locking my keys in the car a problem. It still happens about once a year, perhaps. I just get the backup key out of my wallet and I'm back in.
Here's hoping you never lose your wallet. Assuming your address is on your license, your pickpocket will have your address and a key to your car.
Generally, manufacturers can't dictate a price to retailers. There was a supreme court case this past year that changed the situation somewhat though.
Yrs, but there are way around it. I do some consulting work for a 4x4 shop that sells a lot of hardware on the net. Many of their vendors have MAP pricing (Minimum Advertised Prices). Your cost (as a dealer) is set by how much volume you move - sell more, get lower prices. However, if you are selling below a certain price point, your purchase price goes up. If you keep lowballing the price, your cost will end up the same as the MAP pricing. You're welcome to sell as cheaply as you want, as long as you're willing to lose money on each sale. They are trying to make sure a shop that services, installs and understands their products can make the same money as some guy selling boxes out of his garage.
Oregon a redstate? Not a chance. A bunch of granola eating, tree hugging, hairy legged druids. Well, not literally, but the spirit is definitely there.
Yeah, but they are also heavily armed. The state is an interesting mix of liberals and rednecks. Actually, Portland, Eugene and Ashland are fairly left, and the rest of the state is more conservative.
It's a great place to get things like organic beef, raised by small family farms. Take the best of the hippies and the rednecks, and you get a nice place to live (in much of the western 1/3 of the state). The other 2/3 is desert with no population.
Growing up in Oregon is what lead me to purchase the domain liberalredneck.org
Craigs List? Or any other classifieds variants. You're making the presumption that both of those are going to waste when in both cases you'll be passing them on to someone else who would've gotten them from another source otherwise (which could be new or used)
Good luck getting rid of the TV. When I moved 4 years ago, I tried to get rid of a 19" color TV, with a remote, RCA inputs, attractive case (for a TV), good quality picture, etc. In short, a nice TV.
NOBODY would take it. Not Goodwill. Not the Cancer Survivir thrift store. Not the HIV/AIDS thrift store. I drove it around for 25 miles, and made countless phone calls. Finally, I gave it to a friend who crushed it with a robot.
Perhaps it was bad timing, or the wrong neighborhood, but I think people just don't want a 19" TV.
Just wait for '09 and we'll see the rest of them in the landfills.
they charge a fixed monthly rate just like a land line.
I don't have a cell phone and frankly I don't need one.
But if someone offer something like 25$ a month unlimited minutes 24-7 (however you can charge me long distance) I'll drop my land line and go grab a cell...
There's a service like that in the SF Bay Area and LA. It's more than $25, but it's unlimited, including long distance. There are roaming charges iff you leave the area.
wtf is wrong with these early adopters who complain about paying more? they knew from the beginning that apple will drop prices. whiney bunch of pussies
The only early adopter I know said (yesterday) "damn, if I waited a month, I would have saved $200". He wasn't angry, emotional or whiny - he made a statement.
Today when I told him he was getting $100 of Apple credit, he was pleased about. Not excited, just happy to get something back.
Unfortunately, in the U.S., it's quite common for stores to force you to show a receipt before they'll let you leave.
Hold the receipt in the air and keep walking. I've done this hundreds of times, and I get a shitty look and comments from "security" and I cheerfully ask them to call the cops if they think I'm stealing.
The more people who blatantly ignore their security the sooner it will go away.
There's a Home Depot near my place in L.A. and the parking lot is filled with illegal restaurants, illegal job seekers, illegal aliens (sorry, undocumented laborers), car theft, etc. The police will do nothing about it, nor will Home Depot security (except to drive around in a golf cart). I drive a truck outfitted for construction, so I am usually mobbed by guys wanting to be hired. On several occasions, I have had to force my way through a crowd of workers who were blocking the exit - I use the air horns on my truck, and it's physical size to get through the blockade. I would never let my mother or girlfriend go their alone at night, and strongly discourage it during the daytime. When the HD employees see guys taking things off my cart and trying to force me to let them load my truck, they do nothing. When the same laborers come inside the store, and hang out in the lumber section to drum up business, HD doesn't remove them from the store.
They have a huge problem, and they refuse to address it. Their solution is to harass me on the way out the door. Fuck them. Don't show your receipt. Keep walking. Wait for the cops if needed. Sue the hell out of them if you can.
Home Depot is the worst offender, but they all need to learn that harassing paying customers isn't the way to do business.
Spam obviously *annoys* you, so you spend on appropriate countermeasures. Subtraction of, say, a notebook damages you. A knife in your body tends to kill you. The first "damage" is self-inflicted, the other ones are not. So, spam is not theft. By that logic, noisy cars in the road are stealing my time and money, because I choose to install thicker windows.
I have a graphic heavy website (Gallery 1.x based). Most of my traffic is bots crawling the site and leaving comment spam. Just an annoyance? My bandwidth bills have gone up because my traffic has gone up by a factor of five in the last year. I have recently started hitting my quota, and now it costs me extra each month.
Obviously I need to find the time to upgrade the site and use some sort of CAPTCHA to keep the spammers at bay.
You call it an annoyance, but it takes money from my pocket. It's clearly theft and needs to be punished as theft.
I understand where you're coming from, but I think you're on the wrong path.
It isn't about convincing folks that Brand A soap is better than Brand B. It's about exposure. If you watch a race (or any other sponsored event) you'll see the name over and over again. Next time you're at the store, there might be a bit of recognition for that product. Also (especially in NASCAR) there are people who are such fans of a certain driver that they'll buy the product on the side of his car. Strange but true.
His Wikipedia entry is disputed as not being neutral, but it's gun politics, so I expect nothing less. My favorite quote about it is this: "I agree with the previous poster. This article seems wildly unbalanced, and consists largely of string quotes of criticisms. Even Hitler has a more balanced entry. - --ozoneliar - 12 March 2007"
I take it you support giving nuclear weapons to all nations on the planet, too? The exact same argument can be made there.
There's no evidence that giving nukes to all countries reduces wars. On the other hand, the crime rates in states that have "shall issue" policies for concealed carry permits has gone down.
Who the f*** decided that sentences on the Internet shall no longer be formatted with two spaces after a period?!
Who the fuck decided that they'd ever have 2 spaces to begin with? WTF is the period for?!?
It has to do with the fact that typewriters use a monospace font. Two spaces were used as a cue to the eye that the sentence had ended. Now that we use WYSIWYG editors and variable spaced fonts, we no longer need the extra space.
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36% of the children admitted to meeting with a stranger they had met online while fewer than 9% of the parents knew that their children had been engaging in such risky behavior.
I find it hard to believe that over a third of kids have met somebody online, and in real life. 36%????
Something is wrong with the study, the kids are lying, or it's being interpreted incorrectly. I'm just not buying it.
- perhaps it's good that I don't have kids
This argument always fascinates me. The same is true of your cable TV, but I don't see constant bitching about the cable pay model. The music goes away if you stop paying because you're paying for a SERVICE, not for the music. If you want to pay for the music, then Amazon/iTunes is all there for you. But to buy just what I have in my sansa right now you'd be paying about 5-10 years worth of rhapsody monthly fees. Do you think you'll still want all that music that far in the future? I know I don't listen to many of my old CDs, so Rhapsody is great value for me.
Yeah, but that argument doesn't hold water at all. Video is generally watched once or twice (with some exceptions) where music is listened to repeatedly. I want to rent video (because it's so much cheaper per viewing) and buy music (because I keep it and listen to it over and over, for years).
I can play MP3s in my living room (HTPC), bedroom (PC), truck (MP3 player/CD player), car (iPod + tape deck), motorcycle (cell phone + earbud) at work (thumb drive in my PC + speakers or iPod + speakers/earbuds) and on and on... I just don't have that flexibility with rental music. I'm also not interested in the "band of the week". I tend to listen to music for years, so renting doesn't do it for me. I guess if I was 15 again and listened to whatever the radio told me to, I'd rent.
My music collection is about 1,000 albums, and I've been buying CDs for 20 years (records for a few years before that).
If renting works for you, that's great. But the music/video comparison doesn't really work.
I actually feel bad for them for having to pay such a high price for their early bad decisions. I mean, I shit-canned them back in the late 90's when they pulled those stunts, but they've matured a lot, and are one of the most complete players out there (although .mov files have quit working on them recently).
I'm glad they are paying the price, if for no other reason to serve as an example.
They screwed the pooch - over and over again. They justifiably lost marketshare and honor and I sincerely hope that they are brought up as an example when companies are deciding to do something anti-consumer.
Perhaps they should have just changed their name and started over.
Really? You've never gotten, "We're sorry, all circuits are busy now. Please try your call again later".
Half a dozen times in my life.
And once when I was calling 911. It was on their end, not the phone company.
The company looses an employee. Frankly good workers are hard to get.
Good employees are hard (or easy) to get, depending on the industry.
Right now, hiring people for jobs in the TV/Movie industry is easy. Very easy. There's a writers' strike, and almost nothing is being filmed.
Guys haven't worked in months (and November to January is usually slow anyway). Some of the best talent in the business is slumming for jobs now. On the other hand, I worked in the dot com era (in the tech industry) and employees got their asses kissed, because replacements were so hard to find. It all depends on the market. After the dot com bubble burst, I got into fabrication and effects, simply because tech jobs were so scarce. It turns out that I enjoy working with my hands and head, rather than just my head.
OSHA should take be involved with that as well as your insurance company.
Sure, I could put myself out of a job. On the other hand, I can be as safe as possible and not work with the guys who are dangerous. I make sure I don't do heights, and try and get on with the crew of smart guys with the smart foreman.
There is a reason for unionization. Protection from unjustified firings is one of them.
Again, there's plenty of abusive union tactics out there, and plenty of lazy bastards being protected by them. There needs to be a middle ground.
As far as I I can see a Union is the last thing that employees should want. If you are getting abused in by your employer and the law alone will not protect you then yes you may need a Union.
I've worked union, as well as non-union shops. Until recently, in a non-union special effects shop in Hollywood (Burbank, actually). In my experience, the biggest difference, besides pay, is safety. In a union shop, if I think something is dangerous I can call for a shop steward and we can discuss the safety problem. In a non union shop, I can call the foreman and discuss the safety problem. The difference is that the union shop, in general, won't have the safety problem because they know it will stop work. The non-union shop has safety problems, and if you bring it to their attention, you don't work there for too much longer. And there's always somebody who's willing to work unsafely to be the macho, "I can do it with no gear" guy.
Here are some of the "safety problems" I'm referring to - from personal experience.
- Working from large heights with no safety gear, because it's "just for a few minutes".
- Workers standing under equipment being lifted, because it's "just for a little bit".
- Untrained guys driving heavy equipment (forklifts, etc) with little or no training, in a crowded space.
- The owner of the company accidentally hitting workers with forklifts or things being moved by the forklift, several times a year. Broken bones included.
There are plenty of good (and abusive) unions out there, but a lot of them are actually needed. In my opinion, when the company is large enough that the CEO/owner doesn't know you, you become just another replaceable item. That's the point when things can become very impersonal and you should consider some sort of group representation.
I've always wondered why Americans (I assume you're American) are so anti-French, especially when they helped you get independence from Britain etc, right? (Correct my poor history knowledge)
Because I went there, and was treated like shit. I spent 8 1/2 months traveling in Europe, and spent a good deal of time in many different cities and countries. I always did my best to learn some of the local language, customs, food, etc. I was treated well almost everywhere I went - except France. They were rude at almost every opportunity. The East German border guards were far more friendly than many of the French I had contact with.
I don't give a damn about their position on the Iraq war, nor how many times we've helped each other out, or how often they surrender.
They go out of their way to be a rude pain in the ass; they're the Sony of European countries.
US Safety, emissions, and import standards (enforced by too (anti?) competitive US Auto Makers) would make it at least $8,000, and who would buy a matchbox, compared to an (almost) full sized normal car?
What are the import standards you speak of?
The other standards - safety & emissions have been fought by the big three as long as they have been proposed (seat belts, air bags, 5 mph bumpers, emission controls, CAFE...).
If you count IP infringements made by software vendors. Face it, in the world where One Click patent can even exits, you're _guaranteed_ to infringe on someone's intellectual property if your code is more complicated than "Hello world".
Not true, actually. I patented all uses of the letters in that order.
You owe me $5.
a lot of people are going to be using them on their old 1980's 27inch CRT's.
Insensitive clod, I bought mine in the 90's!
I used to lock myself out of my call all the time when I was younger. I only did it once or twice when I was 16, and then I started carrying a backup key in my wallet. Never again was locking my keys in the car a problem. It still happens about once a year, perhaps. I just get the backup key out of my wallet and I'm back in.
Here's hoping you never lose your wallet. Assuming your address is on your license, your pickpocket will have your address and a key to your car.
Generally, manufacturers can't dictate a price to retailers. There was a supreme court case this past year that changed the situation somewhat though.
Yrs, but there are way around it. I do some consulting work for a 4x4 shop that sells a lot of hardware on the net. Many of their vendors have MAP pricing (Minimum Advertised Prices). Your cost (as a dealer) is set by how much volume you move - sell more, get lower prices. However, if you are selling below a certain price point, your purchase price goes up. If you keep lowballing the price, your cost will end up the same as the MAP pricing. You're welcome to sell as cheaply as you want, as long as you're willing to lose money on each sale. They are trying to make sure a shop that services, installs and understands their products can make the same money as some guy selling boxes out of his garage.
Oregon a redstate? Not a chance. A bunch of granola eating, tree hugging, hairy legged druids. Well, not literally, but the spirit is definitely there.
Yeah, but they are also heavily armed. The state is an interesting mix of liberals and rednecks.
Actually, Portland, Eugene and Ashland are fairly left, and the rest of the state is more conservative.
It's a great place to get things like organic beef, raised by small family farms. Take the best of the hippies and the rednecks, and you get a nice place to live (in much of the western 1/3 of the state). The other 2/3 is desert with no population.
Growing up in Oregon is what lead me to purchase the domain liberalredneck.org
oh, nevermind. I'll jhust say WHOOOSH! and leave it at that
Reading and posting too fast. I should know better...
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Craigs List? Or any other classifieds variants. You're making the presumption that both of those are going to waste when in both cases you'll be passing them on to someone else who would've gotten them from another source otherwise (which could be new or used)
Good luck getting rid of the TV.
When I moved 4 years ago, I tried to get rid of a 19" color TV, with a remote, RCA inputs, attractive case (for a TV), good quality picture, etc. In short, a nice TV.
NOBODY would take it. Not Goodwill. Not the Cancer Survivir thrift store. Not the HIV/AIDS thrift store. I drove it around for 25 miles, and made countless phone calls. Finally, I gave it to a friend who crushed it with a robot.
Perhaps it was bad timing, or the wrong neighborhood, but I think people just don't want a 19" TV.
Just wait for '09 and we'll see the rest of them in the landfills.
they charge a fixed monthly rate just like a land line.
I don't have a cell phone and frankly I don't need one.
But if someone offer something like 25$ a month unlimited minutes 24-7 (however you can charge me long distance) I'll drop my land line and go grab a cell...
There's a service like that in the SF Bay Area and LA. It's more than $25, but it's unlimited, including long distance. There are roaming charges iff you leave the area.
Not a customer, but I've seen their billboards.
wtf is wrong with these early adopters who complain about paying more? they knew from the beginning that apple will drop prices. whiney bunch of pussies
The only early adopter I know said (yesterday) "damn, if I waited a month, I would have saved $200". He wasn't angry, emotional or whiny - he made a statement.
Today when I told him he was getting $100 of Apple credit, he was pleased about. Not excited, just happy to get something back.
Unfortunately, in the U.S., it's quite common for stores to force you to show a receipt before they'll let you leave.
Hold the receipt in the air and keep walking. I've done this hundreds of times, and I get a shitty look and comments from "security" and I cheerfully ask them to call the cops if they think I'm stealing.
The more people who blatantly ignore their security the sooner it will go away.
There's a Home Depot near my place in L.A. and the parking lot is filled with illegal restaurants, illegal job seekers, illegal aliens (sorry, undocumented laborers), car theft, etc. The police will do nothing about it, nor will Home Depot security (except to drive around in a golf cart). I drive a truck outfitted for construction, so I am usually mobbed by guys wanting to be hired. On several occasions, I have had to force my way through a crowd of workers who were blocking the exit - I use the air horns on my truck, and it's physical size to get through the blockade. I would never let my mother or girlfriend go their alone at night, and strongly discourage it during the daytime. When the HD employees see guys taking things off my cart and trying to force me to let them load my truck, they do nothing. When the same laborers come inside the store, and hang out in the lumber section to drum up business, HD doesn't remove them from the store.
They have a huge problem, and they refuse to address it. Their solution is to harass me on the way out the door.
Fuck them. Don't show your receipt. Keep walking. Wait for the cops if needed. Sue the hell out of them if you can.
Home Depot is the worst offender, but they all need to learn that harassing paying customers isn't the way to do business.
Spam obviously *annoys* you, so you spend on appropriate countermeasures. Subtraction of, say, a notebook damages you. A knife in your body tends to kill you. The first "damage" is self-inflicted, the other ones are not. So, spam is not theft. By that logic, noisy cars in the road are stealing my time and money, because I choose to install thicker windows.
I have a graphic heavy website (Gallery 1.x based). Most of my traffic is bots crawling the site and leaving comment spam. Just an annoyance? My bandwidth bills have gone up because my traffic has gone up by a factor of five in the last year. I have recently started hitting my quota, and now it costs me extra each month.
Obviously I need to find the time to upgrade the site and use some sort of CAPTCHA to keep the spammers at bay.
You call it an annoyance, but it takes money from my pocket. It's clearly theft and needs to be punished as theft.
I understand where you're coming from, but I think you're on the wrong path.
It isn't about convincing folks that Brand A soap is better than Brand B. It's about exposure. If you watch a race (or any other sponsored event) you'll see the name over and over again. Next time you're at the store, there might be a bit of recognition for that product. Also (especially in NASCAR) there are people who are such fans of a certain driver that they'll buy the product on the side of his car. Strange but true.
The most complete argument was made by John Lott in his book "More Guns, Less Crime".. html
Here's a summary/interview published by the University of Chicago Press.
http://www.press.uchicago.edu/Misc/Chicago/493636
His Wikipedia entry is disputed as not being neutral, but it's gun politics, so I expect nothing less. My favorite quote about it is this: "I agree with the previous poster. This article seems wildly unbalanced, and consists largely of string quotes of criticisms. Even Hitler has a more balanced entry. - --ozoneliar - 12 March 2007"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Lott
I take it you support giving nuclear weapons to all nations on the planet, too? The exact same argument can be made there.
There's no evidence that giving nukes to all countries reduces wars. On the other hand, the crime rates in states that have "shall issue" policies for concealed carry permits has gone down.
Who the f*** decided that sentences on the Internet shall no longer be formatted with two spaces after a period?!
Who the fuck decided that they'd ever have 2 spaces to begin with? WTF is the period for?!?
It has to do with the fact that typewriters use a monospace font. Two spaces were used as a cue to the eye that the sentence had ended. Now that we use WYSIWYG editors and variable spaced fonts, we no longer need the extra space.