And I had just added a section to cover the HP desktops with Mandrake to my website. I still think there is an article here, but you saved me from finding out if it was pre-loaded or not.;)
I would have had to make the call, you just saved me. There may yet be another take on this... hmmm.
It's only $10,000, but it is a start. I guess this means the Heise/Boies/McBride/Sontag/Stowell show is on hold, eh? Either that or the poor German SCO Mgr. is off to jail.
I can imagine this in Utah:
McB: What is barratry?
Sontaggie: I dunno, I only do what I am told.
McB: (muttering below breath) Stupid, yes-man, marketroid (now shouting...) Lawyer, get out there and put a spin on this - now!
H: Well, if we do anything, then they may rise the fines or put someone in jail in Germany...
McB: So? I am in Utah! I want to sue every German now! Put out a press release! We declare Germany in violation of our Intellectual property, and they hate Mormons too!
H: I don't know how our German employees will...
McB: Somebody better get this written and in the German papers by this afternoon too.
H: But..
McB: But what? I am in Utah dammit. Stupid German Courts can't touch me. Bill G. hisself is backing my play, so shut up and do as I tell ya.
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The hsoting company is ViaWest a Canopy-Group (think another tentacle of the octopus here) company. They are just another part of the same SCO Group owners.
The MIT scientists they claimed are also a Canopy Group Company: Data Crystal.
If you owned it and no one is after it, check with liquidators first, then release it as GPL. People might like it them. How was it licensed anyway? Seems Chilliware made some Apache confgurator thingie too - but I don't remember much about that either. They came and went way too fast.
Everyone who uses Linux is being threatened, or don't you read their outrageous claims? The threats being made are a protection racket scheme - that qualifies under RICO.
If these companies were smart they would use RICO - Racketeering Influenced Corrupt Organiztions - act to sue. You CAN do that under civil litigation. It is the one leeway we all have when they start to threaten companies and individuals.
RICO would also bring in all of their officers, stockholders and investors under the same scrutiny. It would also bring in their partners under this one-act play that keeps being re-written, even their legal representation.
Let them write more threatening letters. There is an ultimate penalty for protection schemes and rackets on the books today.
I have thought about that too. I suppose it means I will "ransom your love" or "love hijacker"? Could have been an apt name for the SCO Group/Caldera and allies (also know as the Gang of Three - SCO, Microsoft, Sun Micro) actions toward the community.
They take what you love for a spin and attempt a HUGE property theft because they are being made irrelevant. Free software can supply jobs, but the market is changing. They are struggling to remain relevant in the new world technology market via funding the SCO mess.
Good luck getting any Linux deployments with that act. It isn't gonna happen. They just made IBM the hero of the century. Now if we can just get IBM to bitchslap them all - that would make me happy for quite awhile to come.
It is becoming apparent that there is hostility among these players toward Linux, so they are acting out of fear - nothing else.
It seems to me that this is a regular "run-up-the-flagpole" idea that comes around every so often. It is rooted in the Sanger Anti-podal bomber project of Nazi Germany during World War II. Every 20 years or so since then, someone brings this up again.
Don't believe that this is right? Check out the x-20 Dyna-Soar project of the 1960's, or the Trans-Atmospheric vehicle projects of the 1980's. Remember the Reagan "Orient Express" speech?
Okay, move forward another 20 years, and now they are hypersonic bombers, not freighters or passenger vehicles. Now we are making no effort to conceal the military applications.
So it's supposed to be "cool" and all that, but it is just a re-tread and do we really need weapons of mass destruction? What happens when somebody cracks the system and uses one to attack our allies or attacks us? What then?
These things have always been too costly and too unproven to be workable. We haven't developed the engine technology as anything more than a drawing board idea.
It is the gee-whiz kind of idea that causes the rest of the world to crap their pants as we drum up another arms race that we don't need. It is a solution in search of a problem.
True, if you don't know there was a break-in, you don't know what has been stolen. All the more argument for encyrpted traffic, encrypted passwords, and encrypted data. What you ideally should achieve is something where the effort is not worth it. Plan-text traffic is a method that should not work with sensitive account information.
If your credit card database is "lifted" it should be meaningless. Sniffing passwords on encrypted traffic should be pointless as well. Ideally it should be garbage data that gives you nada but an account or two (of which you have no idea of limits, etc.) of questionable value for the effort involved. Of course, if you really want to waste your time working at it...
As for access times and modifications - there are things like Tripwire Manager which should make sorting through the access logs easier than just reading paper.
Failing to build in difficulty is what gets people in trouble with sensitive information. Dealing in plain text or easily guessed passwords is usually the first failure. For instance - many ATM and Check cards machines onl allow 6 charcater passwords by default. Anything greater than that will be rejected by most credit card machines at grocery stores. That means that you have a known limitation within that space.
Another thing that credit card transactions do not require enough is the "card-present" validation feature (requiring that the cp valid # is retrieved or included at the time of purchase). This one peeves a lot of merchants because they have no way of knowing if that *credit card* is actually a check-card and then they get hit with higher fees for accepting those cards by the processors.
Electronic commerce is not a science, but it should be a practice. Unfortunately, you can't just say "it won't work because it is too difficult." It should be difficult. If it is merely too easy - every fool out there will be cracking at it all day long.
Understand, this is not a flame. I don't work for tripwire, and I don't really care about what others do for themselves (or fail to do). I just find the "that will never work" attitude expressed by so many to be pointless.
What suggestions do you have? I would be interested in knowing what you would suggest is a good idea or method of securing data, the forensic trail, etc.
Sorry for that. While this is good for the Consumer, it is even better for hosting companies and businesses deciding to move elsewhere. The sad fact is that without really good analytical tools - most companies do not know what was cracked at all.
Tripwire is one that comes to mind, and if used properly is an excellent forensic tool. Too bad some schmoes don't know that. I know an IT director who believes that wiping everything down and reinstalling from a backup image is the way to go. Of course - backups aren't 100% reliable and you tend to lose data - but who am I and what do I know?
Trust me - that works until you lose really critical data. Then you are screwed buddy. Oh well, that's NMP. Not my problem.
Funny thing is that if they don't know theywere cracked, how do they know when to notify you that your account or data might have been cracked and hijacked?
Think about it. If they were too stupid to catch it, how will they ever know who to notify and who not to notify? When you cannot trust your data, everything else becomes meaningless.
I wonder if these notices will lead to more false insurance claims from losses due to cracking? After all, how can the banks, credit card companies, etc. prove diddly when they don't even know for certain that you have been cracked or if their data is accurate or just total hogwash.
Would you trust a business that notified you that your account might have been cracked and you could have some of your valuable precious data being floated around the Internet?
Of course, they could have avoided all that by using real equipment, but you won't know the truth any more than they know the truth.
Wow - the thought police are here now. Get ready to be jailed for ideas. Satellite TV - possibly losing business? He gets jailed for something he did not yet do, and find 180 Million? His attorneys are either stupid or this is just pure hogwash. Why did the EFF not hear about this case?
Can somebody verify the claims of this article? Is this one of those "secret government" articles? Why would someone accused of such not be defended better against a crime that never happened? How do they know he "came within a hair's breadth of doing something, and why would any sane jury allow such nonsense to occur?
Someone please verify if this is a phony article. Just because AP puts it out, doesn't mean it is true...
We have to start questioning the mainstream. There are so many things wrong with this article on so many levels that I wonder about its validity.
The fact that OSS debugging is faster is no surprise at all. You want to see some slow debugging? Try working in a osftware company for a while, and you will understand why closed source is much slower.
The real reason are office politics, people who don't want anyone else to know what they do, and people who are busy skiving away their time.
It is an unwritten rule and unspoken truth that most closed source developers believe they have manegement by the short-hairs and that no one can see through waht they are saying. Not true, but people believe perception is reality, so it goes on.
I personally know of cases where developers purposely put bugs into software just for a little job security. I am not saying that is the norm at all - for most it certainly is not.
What is the norm is the obfuscation of time, effort, and code availability. That is almot truly ubiquitous. In other words:
1) We might be able to take a look at that some time in the future, but it could take significant time to debug that, and I am rather busy at the moment
2) That would take two to four weeks to correct. Divide by a factor of ten here if not greate to reach the truth (two to three hours or days even).
3) You can't see that code (to company employees trying to support a customer)
That specifically is why debugging takes longer in the proprietary world. There are artificial barriers to correcting mistakes. Those barriers are there for job security, and having little, if anything, to do with protecting intellectual property.
They usually cover up those fun little comments in code like:/* let's see how long it takes them to find this one */
or # putting this line in because he keeps insisting # that this wrong, when I know it is right or * This function makes a nice screen appear * it doesn't do anything really * but it seems to make Bob happy:) or * DOS isn't finished until Lotus 1-2-3 doesn't work
You get the idea. Ask a Product Manager about comments in code and they will shake nervously if you ask to see them, or just flat out deny you that access.
Open source code has funny comments as well (some very famous ones in fact), but at least it is open for all to see and make changes easily.
I am not saying that goes on where I work now, but I have seen it happen all too often in the closed source world. The ideas expressed therein are not necessarily those that the companies would want to get public attention.
The code isn't "clean enough" or "good enough" for public consumption.
No, I don't disagree. I am spending my time doing something about my anger. I am actually using the time to find every single piece if evidence from SCO/Caldera that I can find in archives on the web. I will also supply that information to the world through my own website.
Though we see that it is al bulls**t, there are many more people who do not, and need to know the truth. The simple fact is that I believe this is a stock fraud action, plain and simple. They are out to rip off the public for work they have not done. This really does anger me, for they are stealing from the public. This is what is clearly wrong with their model. They hide and claim, hide and claim.
They aren't even consistent in their statements and much of it is simply the lie-of-the-moment in action. That I have no respect for. I still believe in the handshake deal and I exercise that with people I respect. But there is a very heavy price to pay when you break those promises and that level of respect - you become persona non gratis with a capital "P" no matter who you are.
If more people lived by that simple code - you would have less people attempting this sort of thievery. Where I am from - you are sent packing when you do things of that nature and don't immediately admit your mistake and change your ways. No one will have anything to do with you. You lose all *face* (to borrow from the Japanese) in the community.
We are, after all, a global community that only works when there is mutual trust and respect. When someone becomes a traitor - they are out - plain and simple. I don't see them ever returning to any state where anyone would want to have diddly to do with them.
I don't consider reminding the public at large of those facts a bad thing or waste of time. I condeir it to be telling the truth in the face of lies. That, I consider to be doing a service for my fellow man.
True, the converted already know the score - but the masses do not, and need to be told and told and told, untilt they are aware of the utterly traitorous, disingenuous and back-stabbing actions of the SCO Group and its parent companies. All of this has to come out into the light of day so that the lies are exposed and the men made to pay such a heavy price that an example can be set for this sort of lying, conniving behavior.
Our government has been bought and sold for the last four years or so, and we need to take back the rights of freedom in the face of such tyranny and lies. Why should I see that as anything less than a good cause?
Please understand, I wish you well. I just wish enough people would stand up and say "ENOUGH!"
That would be the only message that ever needed to get across to them. I am sorry that being a sheep is not my nature - it is my nature to decry evil when I see it, read it, and hear it. This case fits all three criteria.
The worst villian is the cowardly Unix vendor who remains in the shadows, not wanting to be identified. They lack the intestinal fortitude to speak up and say - yeah, we set this up too with Microsoft. We are just as dirty and underhanded and don't care about freedom either.
So, yeah I do feel strongly about it, and no, I won't conform to anyone's ideas of what is reasonable to do or say about this form of pond scum. The only positive outcome is that there never is a SCO Group anymore and that the Canopy Group is sued out of existence.
So, did they kill VNET? Now I have to go look at their site. That was what made it useful to me. Business apps with GUI tools running against a robust Linux DB. The damn thing just worked.
It was also nice to have that unique IP on the local machine for administration through Samba. A little quirky for sure, but it worked!
Hmm, not to kind to the GIMP development team and I happen to know a lot of GIMP users who disagree with that statement. It works for me and many others. Maybe you should read more, or just be happy with using your own tools, or in the alternative convince the software makers of the applications that you want them on Linux? Seems like that could get you what you want better than criticizing the GIMP team, which doesn't get you what you want.
Not a flame, just a comment.
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Well, when I used Win4Lin (up to 3.0) it was fairly fast and efficient. The one concern was that it modified the kernel and that it was necessary to run this through a modified kernel in order to have access to your Win4Lin sessioms.
It performs well. I used it to have access to GUI tools on my Linux box then so that I could administer a DB on the Linux box through Samba (same PC w/GUI interface then on Windows). Windows acted like a different host on the machine and it worked flawlessly for me but, as always, YMMV.
It's a lot faster than VMWare, but only supports 98 and ME, whereas VMWare supports all of that and 2000, XP Professional.
For those who want that sort of thing, it can also fool your users into thinking they are running Windows through their terminal server sort of applications. No games - No 3D - No DistractiveX though. If you want that, you should dual-boot or better yet - buy Linux games and stop buying Win based stuff.;)
Of course, games are what Windows was made for anyway - it doesn't really have the security needed to be taken as a serious business platform by anyone who really has to support their stuff. They would much rather have something stable and reliable that doesn't fall over quite so easily.
Yes, it is a bit harsh, but that is intentional. I want them to realize they have made life-long impressions that will never go away. These impressions of their character are forever burned in my memory and I never forget someone who causes such anger. Twenty years from now I will still remember them. This isn't a flame at you (so please don't take it that way), but it is an expression of my anger at their actions. They have set the example for truly despicable behavior - behavior that could ultimately affect the entire economy and ruin our recovery. For what? A few lousy bums to enrich themselves by claiming that which they do not own? I have had enough of these 'tards - thank you very much.
I don't think much of these people because they don't think much of me. They seem to think that if I want freedom then they want control in return.
I do not think these men should be treated as equals - they are pariahs. They are something slightly below pond scum in my book.
SCO:"Hi, I know we agreed we would work on the up and up and all that, but I have changed my mind, so you won't mind if I become a Microsoft shill and just stab you in the back do you? I'll sue you just because I feel grumpy today. We haven' made any money with our efforts so I declare all previous agreements null and void: except of course, those that allow me to threaten you without evidence, to call you a worthless toad that couldn't think for yourself, and to tell everyone that freedom is bad. It's bad I tell you! You can't afford to be free and think fo ryourself. You need an evil person (I mean entrepeneur) like me to tell you how to live and that you can't play in the park without my ball. That ball you got from the store and made out of a kit is my ball. I don't care where you found it, bought it, or built it - it's mine. Why? Well because I say so, that's why! I now have to sue you all, you sorry little punks!"
In a nutshell - that's their case. They are the spoiled little kid who didn't get his way in the playground and is threatening to take the ball home.
They are such lousy losers that they will sit back with a BB gun shooting at everyone else's ball just so no one plays the game. They do not care one whit about what is *right* - it's all about greed.
They don't mind humanity - they don't have any humanity is more to the point. I have more admiration for a company that goes out in style than a company that sits there acting like a two year old throwing a temper tantrum. It is even worse because the mainstream media shills simply want to defend these 'tards (you pick your beginning sylabble there, I will pick mine). Between the bas and the re, there isn't that much difference.
If they had any shred of human decency, they would have admitted that they were in trouble financially, gone to the community, maybe filed to re-organize their company and protect themselves from creditors and come out the other side a much better run company.
As it stands, they are a kamikaze angering everyone and acting like a case study for business ignorance. I don't think you can be too harsh in those cases.
Look at Enron, Worldcom and Tyco. Would you say they love humanity? I think they worship money and money alone. They have no future in any community of respectable people. I wouldn't want any of them in my company or even in my State for that matter. I think the things I have scraped off my boots out in the pasture are better equipped to handle a company and business ethics than those people.
Now, do you really think they give one whit about the rest of us? I do not. I think all they care about is robbing all of us of freedom. They can kiss my ass, because I will always work against their sort of evil. It's too bad that it isn't like it used to be - a relative of mine used to have the answer: they don't do right - they can leave or they can go, but they aren't staying here to cause trouble.
Don't do it. If you sign their onerous NDA, you may be "in the know", but you will be "held accountable" for anytjhing you say or write, and could be forced to testify on their behalf, and even muted in what you CAN say at that point.
That is what is wrong with their NDA. You cannot tell the truth if you do sign the NDA, or work on code anymore, or develop anymore without having given them control over you. Why on Earth would anybody want these people to gain control? They are complete loonies anyway. They probably have the support of the RIAA, Senator Orin "Booby" Hatch and others of that ilk. we know that Microsoft supports them, and at least one other "as yet unnamed" vendor.
We all know that they cannot stand freedom or innovation, because they don't own you anymore. That is what is wrong with their arguments.
Imagine a future where the public domain does not exist. Where no product is ever allowed to be "public", where owning a book is illegal until you pay for it every time you read its pages, where you can't own a pen and toilet paper because you *might* write something and you have a vision of what it is these people really are all about.
They hate humanity and our ability to think and reason and invent. They just want consumers of the garbage culture they purvey. Not me pal, I can think and write for myself, and every idea in Unix, Linux, and other Operating Systems did not descend down these stock-shysters precious "source-tree of invisibility".
Never, ever, sign an agreement with them unless you enjoy being in a lwasuit. They cannot be trusted, and you'll only pay for it in terms of your job, livelihood and reputation.
Think about it, honestly. I mean you no harm and only mean to advise you against signing this thing as a concerned human being who wants you not to be harmed.
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See, it is "weapons of Mass Browsing". So, did you ever decide on a T-shirt design Cowboy?
Groklaw rocks. They found the Renaissance Papers, and have all of the court docs. PJ is a goddess.
between Open Linux, AIX5L and UnixWare and that they were actively trying to unify the two.
It's all horse manure, but I suspect they know that.
!Squalus
Isn't that like military intelligence or market analyst? Oxymorons I believe they are called.
Damn my dsyleiax, uh... dyslec (*&$^(*&#@*#^$(* dsik .. danget! Never mnid. :P
And I had just added a section to cover the HP desktops with Mandrake to my website. I still think there is an article here, but you saved me from finding out if it was pre-loaded or not. ;)
I would have had to make the call, you just saved me. There may yet be another take on this... hmmm.
Thanks for the hard work though.
"Ha ha!"
It's only $10,000, but it is a start. I guess this means the Heise/Boies/McBride/Sontag/Stowell show is on hold, eh? Either that or the poor German SCO Mgr. is off to jail.
I can imagine this in Utah:
McB: What is barratry?
Sontaggie: I dunno, I only do what I am told.
McB: (muttering below breath) Stupid, yes-man, marketroid (now shouting...) Lawyer, get out there and put a spin on this - now!
H: Well, if we do anything, then they may rise the fines or put someone in jail in Germany...
McB: So? I am in Utah! I want to sue every German now! Put out a press release! We declare Germany in violation of our Intellectual property, and they hate Mormons too!
H: I don't know how our German employees will...
McB: Somebody better get this written and in the German papers by this afternoon too.
H: But..
McB: But what? I am in Utah dammit. Stupid German Courts can't touch me. Bill G. hisself is backing my play, so shut up and do as I tell ya.
The above parody is provided via the Not Ready For Evidenciary Players. We enjoy bringing you this daily laugh at the lives of some really screwed up people.
The hsoting company is ViaWest a Canopy-Group (think another tentacle of the octopus here) company. They are just another part of the same SCO Group owners.
The MIT scientists they claimed are also a Canopy Group Company: Data Crystal.
By the time you click the link it will timeout and you will have just engaged in one of those low bandwidth DDOS aatacks.
Of course, none of this is real, and time is just an illusion that keeps everything from happening at once.
Heh, heh
Who cares? Drop MSN and their messenger. It is a joke anyway. Use Jabber of GAIM or Yahoo or anyone else you know.
As Clausewitz said, "fixed fortifications are a monumnet to the stupidity of man."
Microsoft is just building a moat around their customers to protect their revenue stream. That never works.
If you owned it and no one is after it, check with liquidators first, then release it as GPL. People might like it them. How was it licensed anyway? Seems Chilliware made some Apache confgurator thingie too - but I don't remember much about that either. They came and went way too fast.
Everyone who uses Linux is being threatened, or don't you read their outrageous claims? The threats being made are a protection racket scheme - that qualifies under RICO.
If these companies were smart they would use RICO - Racketeering Influenced Corrupt Organiztions - act to sue. You CAN do that under civil litigation. It is the one leeway we all have when they start to threaten companies and individuals.
RICO would also bring in all of their officers, stockholders and investors under the same scrutiny. It would also bring in their partners under this one-act play that keeps being re-written, even their legal representation.
Let them write more threatening letters. There is an ultimate penalty for protection schemes and rackets on the books today.
I have thought about that too. I suppose it means I will "ransom your love" or "love hijacker"? Could have been an apt name for the SCO Group/Caldera and allies (also know as the Gang of Three - SCO, Microsoft, Sun Micro) actions toward the community.
They take what you love for a spin and attempt a HUGE property theft because they are being made irrelevant. Free software can supply jobs, but the market is changing. They are struggling to remain relevant in the new world technology market via funding the SCO mess.
Good luck getting any Linux deployments with that act. It isn't gonna happen. They just made IBM the hero of the century. Now if we can just get IBM to bitchslap them all - that would make me happy for quite awhile to come.
It is becoming apparent that there is hostility among these players toward Linux, so they are acting out of fear - nothing else.
It seems to me that this is a regular "run-up-the-flagpole" idea that comes around every so often. It is rooted in the Sanger Anti-podal bomber project of Nazi Germany during World War II. Every 20 years or so since then, someone brings this up again.
Don't believe that this is right? Check out the x-20 Dyna-Soar project of the 1960's, or the Trans-Atmospheric vehicle projects of the 1980's. Remember the Reagan "Orient Express" speech?
Okay, move forward another 20 years, and now they are hypersonic bombers, not freighters or passenger vehicles. Now we are making no effort to conceal the military applications.
So it's supposed to be "cool" and all that, but it is just a re-tread and do we really need weapons of mass destruction? What happens when somebody cracks the system and uses one to attack our allies or attacks us? What then?
These things have always been too costly and too unproven to be workable. We haven't developed the engine technology as anything more than a drawing board idea.
It is the gee-whiz kind of idea that causes the rest of the world to crap their pants as we drum up another arms race that we don't need. It is a solution in search of a problem.
but it wouldn't hlp you know what's been stolen.
True, if you don't know there was a break-in, you don't know what has been stolen. All the more argument for encyrpted traffic, encrypted passwords, and encrypted data. What you ideally should achieve is something where the effort is not worth it. Plan-text traffic is a method that should not work with sensitive account information.
If your credit card database is "lifted" it should be meaningless. Sniffing passwords on encrypted traffic should be pointless as well. Ideally it should be garbage data that gives you nada but an account or two (of which you have no idea of limits, etc.) of questionable value for the effort involved. Of course, if you really want to waste your time working at it...
As for access times and modifications - there are things like Tripwire Manager which should make sorting through the access logs easier than just reading paper.
Failing to build in difficulty is what gets people in trouble with sensitive information. Dealing in plain text or easily guessed passwords is usually the first failure. For instance - many ATM and Check cards machines onl allow 6 charcater passwords by default. Anything greater than that will be rejected by most credit card machines at grocery stores. That means that you have a known limitation within that space.
Another thing that credit card transactions do not require enough is the "card-present" validation feature (requiring that the cp valid # is retrieved or included at the time of purchase). This one peeves a lot of merchants because they have no way of knowing if that *credit card* is actually a check-card and then they get hit with higher fees for accepting those cards by the processors.
Electronic commerce is not a science, but it should be a practice. Unfortunately, you can't just say "it won't work because it is too difficult." It should be difficult. If it is merely too easy - every fool out there will be cracking at it all day long.
Understand, this is not a flame. I don't work for tripwire, and I don't really care about what others do for themselves (or fail to do). I just find the "that will never work" attitude expressed by so many to be pointless.
What suggestions do you have? I would be interested in knowing what you would suggest is a good idea or method of securing data, the forensic trail, etc.
Sorry for that. While this is good for the Consumer, it is even better for hosting companies and businesses deciding to move elsewhere. The sad fact is that without really good analytical tools - most companies do not know what was cracked at all.
Tripwire is one that comes to mind, and if used properly is an excellent forensic tool. Too bad some schmoes don't know that. I know an IT director who believes that wiping everything down and reinstalling from a backup image is the way to go. Of course - backups aren't 100% reliable and you tend to lose data - but who am I and what do I know?
Trust me - that works until you lose really critical data. Then you are screwed buddy. Oh well, that's NMP. Not my problem.
Funny thing is that if they don't know theywere cracked, how do they know when to notify you that your account or data might have been cracked and hijacked?
Think about it. If they were too stupid to catch it, how will they ever know who to notify and who not to notify? When you cannot trust your data, everything else becomes meaningless.
I wonder if these notices will lead to more false insurance claims from losses due to cracking? After all, how can the banks, credit card companies, etc. prove diddly when they don't even know for certain that you have been cracked or if their data is accurate or just total hogwash.
Would you trust a business that notified you that your account might have been cracked and you could have some of your valuable precious data being floated around the Internet?
Of course, they could have avoided all that by using real equipment, but you won't know the truth any more than they know the truth.
Wow - the thought police are here now. Get ready to be jailed for ideas. Satellite TV - possibly losing business? He gets jailed for something he did not yet do, and find 180 Million? His attorneys are either stupid or this is just pure hogwash. Why did the EFF not hear about this case?
Can somebody verify the claims of this article? Is this one of those "secret government" articles? Why would someone accused of such not be defended better against a crime that never happened? How do they know he "came within a hair's breadth of doing something, and why would any sane jury allow such nonsense to occur?
Someone please verify if this is a phony article. Just because AP puts it out, doesn't mean it is true...
We have to start questioning the mainstream. There are so many things wrong with this article on so many levels that I wonder about its validity.
So, it hit less than 2 sites and less than 49 hosts, yet it gets this much publicity? WTF?
I read the linked article, but I don't believe I read that right.
The fact that OSS debugging is faster is no surprise at all. You want to see some slow debugging? Try working in a osftware company for a while, and you will understand why closed source is much slower.
/* let's see how long it takes them to find this one */
:)
The real reason are office politics, people who don't want anyone else to know what they do, and people who are busy skiving away their time.
It is an unwritten rule and unspoken truth that most closed source developers believe they have manegement by the short-hairs and that no one can see through waht they are saying. Not true, but people believe perception is reality, so it goes on.
I personally know of cases where developers purposely put bugs into software just for a little job security. I am not saying that is the norm at all - for most it certainly is not.
What is the norm is the obfuscation of time, effort, and code availability. That is almot truly ubiquitous. In other words:
1) We might be able to take a look at that some time in the future, but it could take significant time to debug that, and I am rather busy at the moment
2) That would take two to four weeks to correct. Divide by a factor of ten here if not greate to reach the truth (two to three hours or days even).
3) You can't see that code (to company employees trying to support a customer)
That specifically is why debugging takes longer in the proprietary world. There are artificial barriers to correcting mistakes. Those barriers are there for job security, and having little, if anything, to do with protecting intellectual property.
They usually cover up those fun little comments in code like:
or
# putting this line in because he keeps insisting
# that this wrong, when I know it is right
or
* This function makes a nice screen appear
* it doesn't do anything really
* but it seems to make Bob happy
or
* DOS isn't finished until Lotus 1-2-3 doesn't work
You get the idea. Ask a Product Manager about comments in code and they will shake nervously if you ask to see them, or just flat out deny you that access.
Open source code has funny comments as well (some very famous ones in fact), but at least it is open for all to see and make changes easily.
I am not saying that goes on where I work now, but I have seen it happen all too often in the closed source world. The ideas expressed therein are not necessarily those that the companies would want to get public attention.
The code isn't "clean enough" or "good enough" for public consumption.
Just something to think about.
No, I don't disagree. I am spending my time doing something about my anger. I am actually using the time to find every single piece if evidence from SCO/Caldera that I can find in archives on the web. I will also supply that information to the world through my own website.
Though we see that it is al bulls**t, there are many more people who do not, and need to know the truth. The simple fact is that I believe this is a stock fraud action, plain and simple. They are out to rip off the public for work they have not done. This really does anger me, for they are stealing from the public. This is what is clearly wrong with their model. They hide and claim, hide and claim.
They aren't even consistent in their statements and much of it is simply the lie-of-the-moment in action. That I have no respect for. I still believe in the handshake deal and I exercise that with people I respect. But there is a very heavy price to pay when you break those promises and that level of respect - you become persona non gratis with a capital "P" no matter who you are.
If more people lived by that simple code - you would have less people attempting this sort of thievery. Where I am from - you are sent packing when you do things of that nature and don't immediately admit your mistake and change your ways. No one will have anything to do with you. You lose all *face* (to borrow from the Japanese) in the community.
We are, after all, a global community that only works when there is mutual trust and respect. When someone becomes a traitor - they are out - plain and simple. I don't see them ever returning to any state where anyone would want to have diddly to do with them.
I don't consider reminding the public at large of those facts a bad thing or waste of time. I condeir it to be telling the truth in the face of lies. That, I consider to be doing a service for my fellow man.
True, the converted already know the score - but the masses do not, and need to be told and told and told, untilt they are aware of the utterly traitorous, disingenuous and back-stabbing actions of the SCO Group and its parent companies. All of this has to come out into the light of day so that the lies are exposed and the men made to pay such a heavy price that an example can be set for this sort of lying, conniving behavior.
Our government has been bought and sold for the last four years or so, and we need to take back the rights of freedom in the face of such tyranny and lies. Why should I see that as anything less than a good cause?
Please understand, I wish you well. I just wish enough people would stand up and say "ENOUGH!"
That would be the only message that ever needed to get across to them. I am sorry that being a sheep is not my nature - it is my nature to decry evil when I see it, read it, and hear it. This case fits all three criteria.
The worst villian is the cowardly Unix vendor who remains in the shadows, not wanting to be identified. They lack the intestinal fortitude to speak up and say - yeah, we set this up too with Microsoft. We are just as dirty and underhanded and don't care about freedom either.
So, yeah I do feel strongly about it, and no, I won't conform to anyone's ideas of what is reasonable to do or say about this form of pond scum. The only positive outcome is that there never is a SCO Group anymore and that the Canopy Group is sued out of existence.
So, did they kill VNET? Now I have to go look at their site. That was what made it useful to me. Business apps with GUI tools running against a robust Linux DB. The damn thing just worked.
:)
It was also nice to have that unique IP on the local machine for administration through Samba. A little quirky for sure, but it worked!
Thanks for the information.
Let's admit it, Gimp ****ing s***s
Hmm, not to kind to the GIMP development team and I happen to know a lot of GIMP users who disagree with that statement. It works for me and many others. Maybe you should read more, or just be happy with using your own tools, or in the alternative convince the software makers of the applications that you want them on Linux? Seems like that could get you what you want better than criticizing the GIMP team, which doesn't get you what you want.
Not a flame, just a comment.
Well, when I used Win4Lin (up to 3.0) it was fairly fast and efficient. The one concern was that it modified the kernel and that it was necessary to run this through a modified kernel in order to have access to your Win4Lin sessioms.
;)
It performs well. I used it to have access to GUI tools on my Linux box then so that I could administer a DB on the Linux box through Samba (same PC w/GUI interface then on Windows). Windows acted like a different host on the machine and it worked flawlessly for me but, as always, YMMV.
It's a lot faster than VMWare, but only supports 98 and ME, whereas VMWare supports all of that and 2000, XP Professional.
For those who want that sort of thing, it can also fool your users into thinking they are running Windows through their terminal server sort of applications. No games - No 3D - No DistractiveX though. If you want that, you should dual-boot or better yet - buy Linux games and stop buying Win based stuff.
Of course, games are what Windows was made for anyway - it doesn't really have the security needed to be taken as a serious business platform by anyone who really has to support their stuff. They would much rather have something stable and reliable that doesn't fall over quite so easily.
Just an honest opinion and my two centavos.
I thought Winsock 2 was available in Win4Lin 3.0?
They called it vnet then - I could be wrong though.
Now isn't that a bit harsh?
Yes, it is a bit harsh, but that is intentional. I want them to realize they have made life-long impressions that will never go away. These impressions of their character are forever burned in my memory and I never forget someone who causes such anger. Twenty years from now I will still remember them. This isn't a flame at you (so please don't take it that way), but it is an expression of my anger at their actions. They have set the example for truly despicable behavior - behavior that could ultimately affect the entire economy and ruin our recovery. For what? A few lousy bums to enrich themselves by claiming that which they do not own? I have had enough of these 'tards - thank you very much.
I don't think much of these people because they don't think much of me. They seem to think that if I want freedom then they want control in return.
I do not think these men should be treated as equals - they are pariahs. They are something slightly below pond scum in my book.
SCO:"Hi, I know we agreed we would work on the up and up and all that, but I have changed my mind, so you won't mind if I become a Microsoft shill and just stab you in the back do you? I'll sue you just because I feel grumpy today. We haven' made any money with our efforts so I declare all previous agreements null and void: except of course, those that allow me to threaten you without evidence, to call you a worthless toad that couldn't think for yourself, and to tell everyone that freedom is bad. It's bad I tell you! You can't afford to be free and think fo ryourself. You need an evil person (I mean entrepeneur) like me to tell you how to live and that you can't play in the park without my ball. That ball you got from the store and made out of a kit is my ball. I don't care where you found it, bought it, or built it - it's mine. Why? Well because I say so, that's why! I now have to sue you all, you sorry little punks!"
In a nutshell - that's their case. They are the spoiled little kid who didn't get his way in the playground and is threatening to take the ball home.
They are such lousy losers that they will sit back with a BB gun shooting at everyone else's ball just so no one plays the game. They do not care one whit about what is *right* - it's all about greed.
They don't mind humanity - they don't have any humanity is more to the point. I have more admiration for a company that goes out in style than a company that sits there acting like a two year old throwing a temper tantrum. It is even worse because the mainstream media shills simply want to defend these 'tards (you pick your beginning sylabble there, I will pick mine). Between the bas and the re, there isn't that much difference.
If they had any shred of human decency, they would have admitted that they were in trouble financially, gone to the community, maybe filed to re-organize their company and protect themselves from creditors and come out the other side a much better run company.
As it stands, they are a kamikaze angering everyone and acting like a case study for business ignorance. I don't think you can be too harsh in those cases.
Look at Enron, Worldcom and Tyco. Would you say they love humanity? I think they worship money and money alone. They have no future in any community of respectable people. I wouldn't want any of them in my company or even in my State for that matter. I think the things I have scraped off my boots out in the pasture are better equipped to handle a company and business ethics than those people.
Now, do you really think they give one whit about the rest of us? I do not. I think all they care about is robbing all of us of freedom. They can kiss my ass, because I will always work against their sort of evil. It's too bad that it isn't like it used to be - a relative of mine used to have the answer: they don't do right - they can leave or they can go, but they aren't staying here to cause trouble.
Shanghai had the answer, and he may have been
Don't do it. If you sign their onerous NDA, you may be "in the know", but you will be "held accountable" for anytjhing you say or write, and could be forced to testify on their behalf, and even muted in what you CAN say at that point.
That is what is wrong with their NDA. You cannot tell the truth if you do sign the NDA, or work on code anymore, or develop anymore without having given them control over you. Why on Earth would anybody want these people to gain control? They are complete loonies anyway. They probably have the support of the RIAA, Senator Orin "Booby" Hatch and others of that ilk. we know that Microsoft supports them, and at least one other "as yet unnamed" vendor.
We all know that they cannot stand freedom or innovation, because they don't own you anymore. That is what is wrong with their arguments.
Imagine a future where the public domain does not exist. Where no product is ever allowed to be "public", where owning a book is illegal until you pay for it every time you read its pages, where you can't own a pen and toilet paper because you *might* write something and you have a vision of what it is these people really are all about.
They hate humanity and our ability to think and reason and invent. They just want consumers of the garbage culture they purvey. Not me pal, I can think and write for myself, and every idea in Unix, Linux, and other Operating Systems did not descend down these stock-shysters precious "source-tree of invisibility".
Never, ever, sign an agreement with them unless you enjoy being in a lwasuit. They cannot be trusted, and you'll only pay for it in terms of your job, livelihood and reputation.
Think about it, honestly. I mean you no harm and only mean to advise you against signing this thing as a concerned human being who wants you not to be harmed.