This is great for everyone trying to turn linux into the next great dektop. But woudln't all this development be better spent on stronger crypto, the next kernel, or even a replacement for ssh. Oh well, at least its getting purtier and both KDE and Gnome working great.
Ok this is a stetch, But I really think Linux should make the marketing move to 7.0 or even go form 2.4 to 7.6 instead of 2.6 that way it is inline with the variosu distrobutions who are all on 7.0-7.2. I know Slackware got in trouble with this and yea some peopel have problems with it, but ITwould make it far less confusing for the majority of people who are now switching to linux, getting DISTROBUTION X at 7.0 andwonderign why the kernel is only 2.4
OK, this is just kids right-- aso your not worried about security or anything. Red aht is easy, its quick and its painless unless you're connected to the internet or a multi user workstation. I really don't think these kids are going ot be running nay buffer overflows or brute force attacks. Then, I'd install Gnome since it is a bit more pretty (IMHO) than KDE. Its my opionion, jsut stay away form slackware --- way to hard for kids learnign to read -- cant imagine them hand editing.conf files.
I just like how proffesionally it's written. It's nice to see someone take up the issues point by point, explain what's wrong with them without resorting to hostile attacks against TUCOWS. The fact is, BSD is very misunderstood by many and th way to counter this is not by firing back a bunch of insults but by explaining what is goign on and why. Great job here -- kudos.
The whole thing would still be OS dependent and as everyone moves to Linux with all the opensource coding out there, it wold be impossible to get linux on board. And even if it did you could just build a custom kernel around it. And even if it was glued to the kernel someoen someone would code up a work around. So, unless they want to take on the entire opensource movement --- wich i wouldn't recomend, the whole thing is a mot point.
you can rest safe in the knowledge that there are no backdoors.
OK You can rest prety safe. I use it and I don't have any fears of this-- but isnt this a bit microsoftish to just pass it off as saying yea its safe. You know its safe, I know its safe, every single person on/. knows its safe but until our moms know its safe, then they're just trusting a beer guzzling programmer. I think this is where we need to use the code we're given to show our moms and dads how to read it so they to can know its safe.
Xbox designers even
toured 130 of these gamers' homes to see how and
where they played games
He also visited shops where
gamers hang out or buy consoles and games to
"absorb the culture, see what they see every day,"
Luke explained
"Visiting gamers in their homes helped put us in
their shoes," Luke explained. "We are designing
on their behalf."
So now gamers are a culture?
OK I know there is the image of only 16 year old pimply face nerds liking these games, but its not true. Parents play these games, even grandparents, so how did the determine the typical gamer??
this is great. I've been using 2.4-test8 for a while now and have been loving it. But when al the partying is over, then comes the question -- what next.
OK what else really needs to be in the kernel, what needs to be fixed. We've been testing 2.4 for over a year now and its out and looking good. So its stable and secure. So what about new features? What else needs to be put into a kernel that is already a ~25 meg download. More to the point, what else will even fit?
I run W/95 on a 486 -- and even have word 97. Yes its not the newest -- but who needs the newest unstable crap anyways. I mean if you can run Xwindows and Sunstaroffice on a 486 -- then windows is no problem.
especially when they're
making inexpensive integrated hardware my
mom would like to use.
Niether your mom nor my mom nor anyone's mom would use or need a
.15Micron x86 processor, and has a die size
below 50mm2
This is overdoing it a bit (ok a LOT) much. All most moms or anyone really needs is a 486-- maybe as much as a P-233. Unless you are trying to map the human genome or creating CGI special effects for the next Star Wares, this is way more than you need.
Ok, how do you as a 15 year ol dkid weed through all the crap on/.
I mean how do you cut through all the fud in the posted articles about the government's desire to take away all our rights and the post about big business's attempts to buy (or sell) away our rights? What outside sources do you use to keep it all in check?
from an email:
Santa Claus: An Engineering Analysis
1.No known species of reindeer can fly. But there are 300,000 specices
of living organisms yet to be classified, and while most of these are
insects and germs, this does not completely rule out flying reindeer which
only Santa has ever seen.
2.There are 2 billion children in the world (persons under 18). But since
Santa doesn't (appear) to handle Muslim, Hindu, Jewish, or Buddhist
children, that reduces the workload by 85% of the total -leaving 378 million
according to the Population Reference Bureau. At an average (census) rate of
3.5 children per household, that's 91.8 million homes. One presumes there is
at least one good child per house.
3.Santa has 31 hours of Christmas to work with, thanks to the different
time zones and the rotation of the earth, assuming he travels east to west
(which seems logical). This works out to 822.6 visits per second. This is to
say that for each Christian household with good children, Santa has 1/1000
th of a second to park, hop out of the sleigh, jump down the chimney, fill
the stocking, distribute the
remaining presents under the tree, eat whatever snacks have been left, get
back up the chimney, get back into the sleigh and move on to the next house.
Assuming that each of these 91.8 million stops are evenly distributed around
the earth which, of course, we know to be false but for the purposes of our
calculations we will accept), we are now talking about.78 miles per
household, a total trip of 75.5 million miles, not counting stops to do what
most of us do at least once every 31 hours, plus feeding, etc.
That means that Santa's sleigh is moving at 650 miles per second, 3000
times the speed of sound. For purposes of comparison, the fastest man-made
vehicle on earth, the Ulysses space probe, move at a poky 27.4 miles per
second - a conventional reindeer can run, at tops 15 miles per hour.
4.The payload on the sleigh adds another interesting element. Assuming
each child gets nothing more then a medium sized lego set ( 2 pounds ), the
sleigh is carrying 321,300 tons, not counting Santa, who is invariably
described as overweight. On land, conventional reindeer can pull no more
than 300 pounds. Even granting the 'flying reindeer' can pull TEN TIMES that
normal amount, we cannot the job with
eight, or even nine, We need 214,200 reindeer. This increased the payload-
not even counting the weight of the sleigh to 353,430 tons. Again for
comparison - this is four times the weight of the Queen Elizabeth
5.353,000 tons travelling at 650 miles per second creates enormous air
resistance. This will heat the reindeer up in the same fashion as
spacecrafts re-entering the earth's atmosphere. The lead pair will absorb
14.3 quintillion joules of energy per second. Each. In short, they will
burst into flames almost instantaneously, exposing the reindeer behind them,
and creating a deafening sonic boom in their
wake. The entire reindeer team will be vaporized with 4.26 thousandths of a
second. Santa meanwhile, will be subject to centrifugal forces 17,500.06
times greater than gravity. A 250-pound Santa (which seems ludicrously slim)
would be pinned to the back of the sleigh by a 4,315,015 pound force.
I wonder how much this will affect the future of slackware. I mean they have been struggling as of late with all the other distros doing the fancy shrinkwrap thing. in a way, they're almost out dated. I hope splitting to a sparc branch wont over drain their already low resources.
Who the hell are we to tell them what they can or can not censor. If you dont like it, dont use the service. How is this even an Issue? It's not like its about to be a law passed by congress. It's a company and as far as Im concerned they can regulate what they want and we dont have the right to say otherwise. Isnt it just as wrong for us to mandate that they MUST carry Nazi Music? Would anyone here be throwing a fit if they banned backstreet boys or Nsync songs? Hey, at least those have some value to them as opposed to NAZI oriented music
Ok first Cancer is a genetic thing. People smoke for fity years and dont get it. Someone else smokes for 10 years and dies. Same with cell phones. There are very few environmental factors for cancer.
Second, the etoys coment :
It'd be delicious
irony if the folks running the Etoy domain they sued a while
back bought their domain name
isn't this typical slashdot hypocacy? We dont like patents --- but opensource licensing is ok. We like opensource and dont like propriatory software but napster is ok. And we dont like etoys getting someone elses site, but someone else can get theirs and its ok.
I know its borderline flamebait but it has to be said.
But why on Ebay. I'm sorry but that place has lost a lot of credibility for me. Too many poeple bdding on their own auctions and funny stuff going on with feedback ratings.
Slashdot Mirror
its actually a reference to an old quote about how one of the crucial steps in establishing a scsi chain is sacrificing a goat.
is there a signal they could use that couldn't be jammed?
;-)
yea, this will take all of ten minutes to hack.
This is great for everyone trying to turn linux into the next great dektop. But woudln't all this development be better spent on stronger crypto, the next kernel, or even a replacement for ssh. Oh well, at least its getting purtier and both KDE and Gnome working great.
what are you thoughts about reports of *BSD code being worked into MS code?
I can see it now, this robot is gonan kill one of the techs that designed it and use the twinkie defense.
:-P
Ok this is a stetch, But I really think Linux should make the marketing move to 7.0 or even go form 2.4 to 7.6 instead of 2.6 that way it is inline with the variosu distrobutions who are all on 7.0-7.2. I know Slackware got in trouble with this and yea some peopel have problems with it, but ITwould make it far less confusing for the majority of people who are now switching to linux, getting DISTROBUTION X at 7.0 andwonderign why the kernel is only 2.4
OK, this is just kids right-- aso your not worried about security or anything. Red aht is easy, its quick and its painless unless you're connected to the internet or a multi user workstation. I really don't think these kids are going ot be running nay buffer overflows or brute force attacks. Then, I'd install Gnome since it is a bit more pretty (IMHO) than KDE. Its my opionion, jsut stay away form slackware --- way to hard for kids learnign to read -- cant imagine them hand editing .conf files.
I just like how proffesionally it's written. It's nice to see someone take up the issues point by point, explain what's wrong with them without resorting to hostile attacks against TUCOWS. The fact is, BSD is very misunderstood by many and th way to counter this is not by firing back a bunch of insults but by explaining what is goign on and why. Great job here -- kudos.
The whole thing would still be OS dependent and as everyone moves to Linux with all the opensource coding out there, it wold be impossible to get linux on board. And even if it did you could just build a custom kernel around it. And even if it was glued to the kernel someoen someone would code up a work around. So, unless they want to take on the entire opensource movement --- wich i wouldn't recomend, the whole thing is a mot point.
Or, these days, you could just download a new compiler off the internet.
/* BACK DOOR CODE HERE */
oh yea cause there are so many out there. The only two C compilers are gcc and borland.
but everybody can look at the linux source code
anyone can, but if you dont know C then your just lookign at a bunch of greek symbols. No one comments in
it's safe, but explaining why would be too long an boring".
Safe is boring? Safe code is boring? Did you really just say that here? With all the security news and stuff you find security to be a boring matter?
I love this
/. knows its safe but until our moms know its safe, then they're just trusting a beer guzzling programmer. I think this is where we need to use the code we're given to show our moms and dads how to read it so they to can know its safe.
you can rest safe in the knowledge that there are no backdoors.
OK You can rest prety safe. I use it and I don't have any fears of this-- but isnt this a bit microsoftish to just pass it off as saying yea its safe. You know its safe, I know its safe, every single person on
from the article:
Xbox designers even toured 130 of these gamers' homes to see how and where they played games
He also visited shops where gamers hang out or buy consoles and games to "absorb the culture, see what they see every day," Luke explained
"Visiting gamers in their homes helped put us in their shoes," Luke explained. "We are designing on their behalf."
So now gamers are a culture?
OK I know there is the image of only 16 year old pimply face nerds liking these games, but its not true. Parents play these games, even grandparents, so how did the determine the typical gamer??
this is great. I've been using 2.4-test8 for a while now and have been loving it. But when al the partying is over, then comes the question -- what next.
OK what else really needs to be in the kernel, what needs to be fixed. We've been testing 2.4 for over a year now and its out and looking good. So its stable and secure. So what about new features? What else needs to be put into a kernel that is already a ~25 meg download. More to the point, what else will even fit?
yes i use star office all the time -- even wrote and am editing a novel on it :)
486 is about twice the size (and presumably, power consumption) of this chip; a 233 more than 4 times as big
:o)
no but you can still get them at on Ebay
why waste a ton of money one a new processor your dont need.
I run W/95 on a 486 -- and even have word 97. Yes its not the newest -- but who needs the newest unstable crap anyways. I mean if you can run Xwindows and Sunstaroffice on a 486 -- then windows is no problem.
Niether your mom nor my mom nor anyone's mom would use or need a
This is overdoing it a bit (ok a LOT) much. All most moms or anyone really needs is a 486-- maybe as much as a P-233. Unless you are trying to map the human genome or creating CGI special effects for the next Star Wares, this is way more than you need.
Ok, how do you as a 15 year ol dkid weed through all the crap on /.
I mean how do you cut through all the fud in the posted articles about the government's desire to take away all our rights and the post about big business's attempts to buy (or sell) away our rights? What outside sources do you use to keep it all in check?
from an email :
.78 miles per
household, a total trip of 75.5 million miles, not counting stops to do what
most of us do at least once every 31 hours, plus feeding, etc.
Santa Claus: An Engineering Analysis
1.No known species of reindeer can fly. But there are 300,000 specices of living organisms yet to be classified, and while most of these are insects and germs, this does not completely rule out flying reindeer which only Santa has ever seen.
2.There are 2 billion children in the world (persons under 18). But since Santa doesn't (appear) to handle Muslim, Hindu, Jewish, or Buddhist children, that reduces the workload by 85% of the total -leaving 378 million according to the Population Reference Bureau. At an average (census) rate of 3.5 children per household, that's 91.8 million homes. One presumes there is at least one good child per house.
3.Santa has 31 hours of Christmas to work with, thanks to the different time zones and the rotation of the earth, assuming he travels east to west (which seems logical). This works out to 822.6 visits per second. This is to say that for each Christian household with good children, Santa has 1/1000 th of a second to park, hop out of the sleigh, jump down the chimney, fill the stocking, distribute the remaining presents under the tree, eat whatever snacks have been left, get back up the chimney, get back into the sleigh and move on to the next house. Assuming that each of these 91.8 million stops are evenly distributed around the earth which, of course, we know to be false but for the purposes of our calculations we will accept), we are now talking about
That means that Santa's sleigh is moving at 650 miles per second, 3000 times the speed of sound. For purposes of comparison, the fastest man-made vehicle on earth, the Ulysses space probe, move at a poky 27.4 miles per second - a conventional reindeer can run, at tops 15 miles per hour.
4.The payload on the sleigh adds another interesting element. Assuming each child gets nothing more then a medium sized lego set ( 2 pounds ), the sleigh is carrying 321,300 tons, not counting Santa, who is invariably described as overweight. On land, conventional reindeer can pull no more than 300 pounds. Even granting the 'flying reindeer' can pull TEN TIMES that normal amount, we cannot the job with eight, or even nine, We need 214,200 reindeer. This increased the payload- not even counting the weight of the sleigh to 353,430 tons. Again for comparison - this is four times the weight of the Queen Elizabeth 5.353,000 tons travelling at 650 miles per second creates enormous air resistance. This will heat the reindeer up in the same fashion as spacecrafts re-entering the earth's atmosphere. The lead pair will absorb 14.3 quintillion joules of energy per second. Each. In short, they will burst into flames almost instantaneously, exposing the reindeer behind them, and creating a deafening sonic boom in their wake. The entire reindeer team will be vaporized with 4.26 thousandths of a second. Santa meanwhile, will be subject to centrifugal forces 17,500.06 times greater than gravity. A 250-pound Santa (which seems ludicrously slim) would be pinned to the back of the sleigh by a 4,315,015 pound force.
I wonder how much this will affect the future of slackware. I mean they have been struggling as of late with all the other distros doing the fancy shrinkwrap thing. in a way, they're almost out dated. I hope splitting to a sparc branch wont over drain their already low resources.
Who the hell are we to tell them what they can or can not censor. If you dont like it, dont use the service. How is this even an Issue? It's not like its about to be a law passed by congress. It's a company and as far as Im concerned they can regulate what they want and we dont have the right to say otherwise. Isnt it just as wrong for us to mandate that they MUST carry Nazi Music? Would anyone here be throwing a fit if they banned backstreet boys or Nsync songs? Hey, at least those have some value to them as opposed to NAZI oriented music
I think its great what they're doing. But, Isn't debian mostly alpha stuff. I mean it's always in the testing phases so what's the real point here?
Ok first Cancer is a genetic thing. People smoke for fity years and dont get it. Someone else smokes for 10 years and dies. Same with cell phones. There are very few environmental factors for cancer.
Second, the etoys coment :
It'd be delicious irony if the folks running the Etoy domain they sued a while back bought their domain name
isn't this typical slashdot hypocacy? We dont like patents --- but opensource licensing is ok. We like opensource and dont like propriatory software but napster is ok. And we dont like etoys getting someone elses site, but someone else can get theirs and its ok.
I know its borderline flamebait but it has to be said.
But why on Ebay. I'm sorry but that place has lost a lot of credibility for me. Too many poeple bdding on their own auctions and funny stuff going on with feedback ratings.