I teach English at FoxConn Beijing, I actually used this article in my class today.
The kids I teach are mostly engineers and marketoids in their early 20s who work 10 hour days for 2000 RMB (135 pounds or 250 USD). They don't believe this article because the minimum wage in Beijing is 600 RMB a month (40 pounds... why does this have to be in pounds).
I have a list of how much things cost in China, but I'd estimate a 330 RMB/month lifestyle (after rent) has a 128meg MP3 player and eats meat almost every day (a frozen chicken breast is 20 cents, and I live in the city).
Oh, they also think "women are more honest" means honest as in diligent and steady workers, nothing to do with stealing like I thought.
My students all tell me they work 8 hour days, so I surveyed the class, the average working day yesterday was 10 hours + 1 for lunch. They were as shocked at the idea of a paid lunch as anything you read in this article.
Unfortunately it seems I don't have enough pull to get to visit this factory when I'm down there in a few months, which is a shame, I really wanted to see a 200000 man factory.
In Canada's defence, (I went to school in Canada, but I live in China):
>the Chinese believe the student's marks are a direct reflection of the teacher's teaching skills
Ain't it the truth. I'd been teaching in Tai'an (Shandong, a dirty town halfway between Beijing and Shanghai) for only a few days when the teachers there were correcting a test with the class... then the next day, they actually gave the test. And students *still* failed! All they had to do was write down the answers.
Even in good schools in Beijing (I teach at the tier-1 level middle schools) copying is rampant, and *possibly* encouraged. I love getting stuff copied from the web with hyperlinks still in it.
But the best is a friend of mine with a CS degree... who can't FTP. It's only fair, it wasn't taught in class and she has never owned a computer. But, seriously, can't she at least Baidu (Chinese for Google) the technology? It's not like I pulled it out of my ass.
Actually, that's a good thing. If they make the install easy and fast then you can go in, anonymously pay your 14 cents and be off.
But these projects tend to over-estimate the yearning for the rest of the internet here. Apart from me trying to get Gmail and the BBC, I don't know of anyone who's circumvented the firewall or even tried.
When Gmail was blocked in DaTong, I was still able to use https://gmail.com/ through a Korean proxy. The amount of data I transferred was almost identical to using an online bank or ebay.
Also I set it up in maybe 5 minutes on a computer in an internet cafe that I paid for in cash and had no security cameras. Just for reference.
Not a criticism, I just want to change your numbers to a $500 laptop (which is what I'm using right now, or I was until I upped it to 1.2 gigs of RAM). Bought brand new in the third world, and apart from a blown microphone input, it's been holding up quite well.
$100 might be hard to do, but $1000 is way too much.
Wow, that sounds like highway robbery compared to here (China) the internet cafe across the street from where I used to live was 12 cents an hour, less with a membership or bulk discount.
They had no CD drives, access to USB and if you wanted a decent (>1 Ghz) computer, the price could go as high as 37 cents (US).
(I live in China, I used to live in a poor province.)
I have a friend who just finished her bachelors degree in computer science, what's really strange is that she doesn't own a computer -- she never has. I still can't wrap my head about that, I don't understand how you can learn computer science without one to abuse.
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Warning, that user is not the real Head of Linux. He may be using those fake credentials phishing for converts to his own distro of Linux.
The real Head of Linux appears to be incarcerated in Finland.
It looks like being on the frontpage of slashdot will get you a visit from.06% of the internet even if you have *nothing* to offer (even if they only visit one or two pages).
That's interesting, I going to start looking at that for all Slashdot articles linking to nobody sites.
It's a mess in progress, but there should be some new ones for a lot of people
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I'm working on a program to map drives to smells instead of letters, it originally mapped them to "objects that refer to or have reffered to the artist formerly known as Prince" but I couldn't get a good grasp on the cardinality on the set.
If you look at most of the users who gave it 10, that's the only comment they made... so you'd have to believe that coming out of that movie, they were so overwhelmed that they ran home, and joined IMDB to rave about only that movie.
The next step of course, is to make your astroturfing seem more realistic... over time give your company's movies 10s and the competitors 2s or 3s, making it seem like you just prefer every 20th Century Fox film to every other film....
That'll be really annoying, I'm worried it'll destroy every credible review site.
A friend of mine's class was having a discussion on whether or not airlines should hire people with glasses -- not as pilots mind you, at the checkin counter. Cause you see, people with glasses aren't very attractive... sorry, women without glasses, it was a given that only girls aged 18 to 30 could work at a check-in counter.
The class was mostly in favour of only hiring pretty, thin, young women.
One of the people I work with plays WoW on the same server he used in Canada, just with awful ping times.
One reason you can't play the Chinese one in the west is probably how REALLY cheap it is. You pay by the hour, and I think it's some number of pennies. I remember.3 RMB/hour (1RMB=.12USD) but I could be wrong... of course you have to play in Chinese, but there are enough bilingual people in North America to ensue they'd lose customers.
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I teach English at FoxConn Beijing, I actually used this article in my class today.
The kids I teach are mostly engineers and marketoids in their early 20s who work 10 hour days for 2000 RMB (135 pounds or 250 USD). They don't believe this article because the minimum wage in Beijing is 600 RMB a month (40 pounds... why does this have to be in pounds).
I have a list of how much things cost in China, but I'd estimate a 330 RMB/month lifestyle (after rent) has a 128meg MP3 player and eats meat almost every day (a frozen chicken breast is 20 cents, and I live in the city).
Oh, they also think "women are more honest" means honest as in diligent and steady workers, nothing to do with stealing like I thought.
My students all tell me they work 8 hour days, so I surveyed the class, the average working day yesterday was 10 hours + 1 for lunch. They were as shocked at the idea of a paid lunch as anything you read in this article.
Unfortunately it seems I don't have enough pull to get to visit this factory when I'm down there in a few months, which is a shame, I really wanted to see a 200000 man factory.
some model did 100 dollars of LSD on a working stiff's lap?
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Discussion is dying, netcraft confirmed it.
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In Canada's defence, (I went to school in Canada, but I live in China):
>the Chinese believe the student's marks are a direct reflection of the teacher's teaching skills
Ain't it the truth. I'd been teaching in Tai'an (Shandong, a dirty town halfway between Beijing and Shanghai) for only a few days when the teachers there were correcting a test with the class... then the next day, they actually gave the test. And students *still* failed! All they had to do was write down the answers.
Even in good schools in Beijing (I teach at the tier-1 level middle schools) copying is rampant, and *possibly* encouraged. I love getting stuff copied from the web with hyperlinks still in it.
But the best is a friend of mine with a CS degree... who can't FTP. It's only fair, it wasn't taught in class and she has never owned a computer. But, seriously, can't she at least Baidu (Chinese for Google) the technology? It's not like I pulled it out of my ass.
I must've seen that joke 100 times, but for some reason I broke out laughing the 101st time. Well played.
Actually, the biggest problem with pirated books is that they can't get the margins straight -- nothing to do with E as a SL.
The worst spelling mistake in my $1.50 Memoirs Of a Geisha so far has been "a{{" instead of "all" so I'm pretty sure they're OCR-ed.
Actually, that's a good thing. If they make the install easy and fast then you can go in, anonymously pay your 14 cents and be off.
But these projects tend to over-estimate the yearning for the rest of the internet here. Apart from me trying to get Gmail and the BBC, I don't know of anyone who's circumvented the firewall or even tried.
When Gmail was blocked in DaTong, I was still able to use https://gmail.com/ through a Korean proxy. The amount of data I transferred was almost identical to using an online bank or ebay.
Also I set it up in maybe 5 minutes on a computer in an internet cafe that I paid for in cash and had no security cameras. Just for reference.
Dude, chillax, I've been a teacher here for years and only one student has tried to kill me...
And his tiny ineffectual 4 year old fists weren't that bad...
Whoa, I didn't even know that was an option! Sweeeet
I think I understand:
Temporal insanity ruined Enterprise
Enterprise ruined the Star Trek franchise
Lack of Star Trek forced kids to turn to Star Wars
I think I'm going somewhere here
Not a criticism, I just want to change your numbers to a $500 laptop (which is what I'm using right now, or I was until I upped it to 1.2 gigs of RAM). Bought brand new in the third world, and apart from a blown microphone input, it's been holding up quite well.
$100 might be hard to do, but $1000 is way too much.
Wow, that sounds like highway robbery compared to here (China) the internet cafe across the street from where I used to live was 12 cents an hour, less with a membership or bulk discount.
They had no CD drives, access to USB and if you wanted a decent (>1 Ghz) computer, the price could go as high as 37 cents (US).
(I live in China, I used to live in a poor province.)
I have a friend who just finished her bachelors degree in computer science, what's really strange is that she doesn't own a computer -- she never has. I still can't wrap my head about that, I don't understand how you can learn computer science without one to abuse.
Warning, that user is not the real Head of Linux. He may be using those fake credentials phishing for converts to his own distro of Linux.
The real Head of Linux appears to be incarcerated in Finland.
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Not true!
It's just hard getting a *second* date after you bring her home.
It looks like being on the frontpage of slashdot will get you a visit from .06% of the internet even if you have *nothing* to offer (even if they only visit one or two pages).
That's interesting, I going to start looking at that for all Slashdot articles linking to nobody sites.
I love co-operative games, I'm making a list of them, especially ones that are free or don't need installation.:t iplayerGames
http://www.daveschina.com/dave/articles/games/mul
It's a mess in progress, but there should be some new ones for a lot of people
I'm working on a program to map drives to smells instead of letters, it originally mapped them to "objects that refer to or have reffered to the artist formerly known as Prince" but I couldn't get a good grasp on the cardinality on the set.
Astroturfing is getting way too pervasive, take a look at the comments of people who LOVED "Date Movie" on IMDB:
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0466342/usercomments?f ilter=love
If you look at most of the users who gave it 10, that's the only comment they made... so you'd have to believe that coming out of that movie, they were so overwhelmed that they ran home, and joined IMDB to rave about only that movie.
The next step of course, is to make your astroturfing seem more realistic... over time give your company's movies 10s and the competitors 2s or 3s, making it seem like you just prefer every 20th Century Fox film to every other film....
That'll be really annoying, I'm worried it'll destroy every credible review site.
A friend of mine's class was having a discussion on whether or not airlines should hire people with glasses -- not as pilots mind you, at the checkin counter. Cause you see, people with glasses aren't very attractive... sorry, women without glasses, it was a given that only girls aged 18 to 30 could work at a check-in counter.
The class was mostly in favour of only hiring pretty, thin, young women.
Use answers.com, so's geocities.com and (sometimes) blogspot.com. Empornium.us works.
Oh, you're just all high and mighty because you can drink your tap water and aren't in the early stages of cadmium poisoning.
One of the people I work with plays WoW on the same server he used in Canada, just with awful ping times.
.3 RMB/hour (1RMB= .12USD) but I could be wrong... of course you have to play in Chinese, but there are enough bilingual people in North America to ensue they'd lose customers.
One reason you can't play the Chinese one in the west is probably how REALLY cheap it is. You pay by the hour, and I think it's some number of pennies. I remember
Ok, I know you weren't serious, and now half your replies are about learning Chinese.
I made these flash cards to help me learn to read & write common words:
Speaking is a lost cause, most Chinese don't travel much and their accents are thick.
Uh... so I don't get modded off topic. I am strongly in favour of science.