Oh my God. Kill yourself now. I cannot believe you just advocated a supermarket being able to suggest products to a refrigerator. As if *that* of all things was a bonus to dropping NAT!
Do you really need to link to your own Fake News blog in every post you make...? Your homepage already links to it, and your.sig already links to it. Seems a little excessive.
Not to mention the GP didn't mention that the bottleneck could easily be in various software layers.... some servers/databases are faster than others... but only for certain tasks or in certain setups. Some operating systems are more efficient than others, but only at certain tasks.
Optimization is a lot more complicated that figuring out what new hardware you need to buy, especially if you've got a limited budget.
The obvious difference there is that a referee exists to enforce a set of rules. A judge (in the sporting context) is, as the parent poster said, making a subjective opinion. Obviously referees can have an influence on the outcome of a game, but that's a far cry from literally deciding the outcome.
I'm sorry? Bent over backwards? Look I think this FSF plan is retarded too (it will only piss off legit customers), but they are certainly not the champions of Open Source. Name one open source project that Apple created that is useful? Nevermind projects like Webkit where Apple basically forked the project inhouse and it took an uproar from the community to get them to play nice. Yes, they were totally on the level and fulfilling the letter of their responsibilities, but it was hardly "bent over backwards".
As a poster above mentioned, Apple is about control. This is fantastic if all you ever want to use is Apple stuff; it all works together seamlessly. However, try to use a 3rd party app or product in the mix, and you're fucked unless it's one of the big companies (Adobe, MS, etc). Yeah it's great, Unix on the desktop. Shiny. I even have a late model iBook myself. But it just always felt like if you really wanted to get to the Unix part of things (or god forbid, run an X11 app), you were reaching your hand through a pool of scummy, oily water. Apple makes it available, but they don't make it pretty. Really, how hard would it be for them to make X11 apps run/look a little nicer? To respect Unix config files? Who cares if it has bash if it ignores/etc/hosts ?
On a side note, a better way for the FSF to go would be standing in front of Apple stores with flyers explaining: * That if they ever want to use a photo program besides iPhoto, have fun trying to keep your metadata * If you want to buy a DAC other than an iPod, you'll have to jump through hoops to convert to mp3, and iTunes does not sync with non-iPods * If you're a developer it's a pain in the ass to install or create a vmware image of OSX on a test box. * It's also a pain in the ass to develop cross-platform for OSX * Easily/cheaply upgrade your machine (unless you don't like money and actually paid for a Mac Pro)
Or even organizing a large protest in front of Apple HQ in Cupertino or the Apple store in San Francisco/New York. Anyone interested? I'd be there.
Believe me, I've met (and served) email, IM, webforums, usenet, etc, etc. However Facebook provides a clean(ish) interface to essentially the same groups of services. On facebook I can:
* Host pictures organized into albums, optionally tagged with the names of other friends * Form and join groups of like interest (eg. UC Irvine Computer Club, Tuesday night Live-Action-Role_Players, etc) * Form and join events (Olympics Street Protest July 27th, Franklin family reunion) * Easily become acquainted with friends of friends etc, etc.
Obviously there are other ways to do those things. But Facebook puts it all in one package and makes it dead simple to do. In some ways it reminds me of some of the old BBS's. Also, I think it's worth mentioning that you only need to post as much personal information as you want.
I think you're missing the point of Facebook for some people (some adults at least). For me it isn't some social ladder, or a way to keep score. I won't argue that some people do that, however.
I use it purely as a way to keep in contact with friends and family - especially those that live far away. I don't always have time to call (though I try), but I do like to see what they're up to, maybe send them a quick message.
Sorry you see it that way. I'd say you're missing out, but it seems to me you've already made up your mind.
I understand and agree with your point. It does suck hardcore that the most recent PPC machines are only 2 years old, and (may?) not be included. But lets not get overly dramatic about it.
1) Anyone who bought those late-model PPC machines knew they were buying into an architecture on its way out. 2) You aren't being forced to upgrade from one OS to another. You presumably used that 10.4 mac just fine... no one is forcing you to do anything or taking away anything from you.
But I do agree, it does suck that it looks like PPC is out.
Oh goody, so now instead of buying a second player's handbook to get a bunch of new stuff/rules, I'll get to buy a second book to get what has always been in the first? And each of them for $15 more than the previous set of core books at launch? [trollish]And then when 4.5 comes out.....[/trollish]
To clarify, that is not a dig on Slackware (I've been a Slacker for about 8 years now). But if you want something light, simple, and solid, you really can't beat slack. If you're wanting to weed out things at the library level, then by all means LFS or Gentoo is probably what you'd want, but if you want something a little more lean out-of-the-box-but-there's-still-a-box Slack is where it's at.
Aside from the fact that the OP asked for examples of open source projects that started out on OSX and then went to other platforms which is absolutely not the case with KHTML (a KDE project)....
As I recall that KHTML debacle it went more like:
1) KDE produces and maintains KHTML. 2) Apple adopts KHTML for Safari's rendering engine and lags on submitting patches 3) KHTML Dev's get annoyed and make noise about Apple's lack of patches 4) Apple releases a gigantic (6MB) fscking diff with no changelog 5) Public makes noise about this (3 slashdot articles later...) 6) Apple eventually agrees to start playing nice and starts the joint project "WebKit"
Not the best way to contribute to an OSS project...
I think the parent's point wasn't just that XP wouldn't run all that great on the hardware, but that the apps that people typically associate with windows would definitely not run well, especially not on top of XP. Think more along the lines of Office.
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Oh my God. Kill yourself now. I cannot believe you just advocated a supermarket being able to suggest products to a refrigerator. As if *that* of all things was a bonus to dropping NAT!
Do you really need to link to your own Fake News blog in every post you make...? Your homepage already links to it, and your .sig already links to it. Seems a little excessive.
Not to mention the GP didn't mention that the bottleneck could easily be in various software layers.... some servers/databases are faster than others... but only for certain tasks or in certain setups. Some operating systems are more efficient than others, but only at certain tasks.
Optimization is a lot more complicated that figuring out what new hardware you need to buy, especially if you've got a limited budget.
Bill
Ahem. You mean Moral?
You must be new here!
In other words, /. has a large percentage of people that bask in irreverence. No need to be thin skinned about it ;o)
And congrats to the PHP team and users.
Bill
*whoooooooooosh*
.... or his Wikipedia article?
*cough*
Are Chinese gymnasts too young for Olympics?
The obvious difference there is that a referee exists to enforce a set of rules. A judge (in the sporting context) is, as the parent poster said, making a subjective opinion. Obviously referees can have an influence on the outcome of a game, but that's a far cry from literally deciding the outcome.
I'm sorry? Bent over backwards? Look I think this FSF plan is retarded too (it will only piss off legit customers), but they are certainly not the champions of Open Source. Name one open source project that Apple created that is useful? Nevermind projects like Webkit where Apple basically forked the project inhouse and it took an uproar from the community to get them to play nice. Yes, they were totally on the level and fulfilling the letter of their responsibilities, but it was hardly "bent over backwards".
As a poster above mentioned, Apple is about control. This is fantastic if all you ever want to use is Apple stuff; it all works together seamlessly. However, try to use a 3rd party app or product in the mix, and you're fucked unless it's one of the big companies (Adobe, MS, etc). Yeah it's great, Unix on the desktop. Shiny. I even have a late model iBook myself. But it just always felt like if you really wanted to get to the Unix part of things (or god forbid, run an X11 app), you were reaching your hand through a pool of scummy, oily water. Apple makes it available, but they don't make it pretty. Really, how hard would it be for them to make X11 apps run/look a little nicer? To respect Unix config files? Who cares if it has bash if it ignores /etc/hosts ?
On a side note, a better way for the FSF to go would be standing in front of Apple stores with flyers explaining:
* That if they ever want to use a photo program besides iPhoto, have fun trying to keep your metadata
* If you want to buy a DAC other than an iPod, you'll have to jump through hoops to convert to mp3, and iTunes does not sync with non-iPods
* If you're a developer it's a pain in the ass to install or create a vmware image of OSX on a test box.
* It's also a pain in the ass to develop cross-platform for OSX
* Easily/cheaply upgrade your machine (unless you don't like money and actually paid for a Mac Pro)
Or even organizing a large protest in front of Apple HQ in Cupertino or the Apple store in San Francisco/New York. Anyone interested? I'd be there.
Bill
People on Slashdot need to get a Life.
"The secret programming in general"?
In general what?!
Man this new /. is really buggy.
Fixed it for you. ;o)
You, sir, have obviously never done so!
I just threw up in my mouth a little.
Believe me, I've met (and served) email, IM, webforums, usenet, etc, etc. However Facebook provides a clean(ish) interface to essentially the same groups of services. On facebook I can:
* Host pictures organized into albums, optionally tagged with the names of other friends
* Form and join groups of like interest (eg. UC Irvine Computer Club, Tuesday night Live-Action-Role_Players, etc)
* Form and join events (Olympics Street Protest July 27th, Franklin family reunion)
* Easily become acquainted with friends of friends
etc, etc.
Obviously there are other ways to do those things. But Facebook puts it all in one package and makes it dead simple to do. In some ways it reminds me of some of the old BBS's. Also, I think it's worth mentioning that you only need to post as much personal information as you want.
I think you're missing the point of Facebook for some people (some adults at least). For me it isn't some social ladder, or a way to keep score. I won't argue that some people do that, however.
I use it purely as a way to keep in contact with friends and family - especially those that live far away. I don't always have time to call (though I try), but I do like to see what they're up to, maybe send them a quick message.
Sorry you see it that way. I'd say you're missing out, but it seems to me you've already made up your mind.
Bill
That's a mighty big phone....
I understand and agree with your point. It does suck hardcore that the most recent PPC machines are only 2 years old, and (may?) not be included. But lets not get overly dramatic about it.
1) Anyone who bought those late-model PPC machines knew they were buying into an architecture on its way out.
2) You aren't being forced to upgrade from one OS to another. You presumably used that 10.4 mac just fine... no one is forcing you to do anything or taking away anything from you.
But I do agree, it does suck that it looks like PPC is out.
Bill
Oh goody, so now instead of buying a second player's handbook to get a bunch of new stuff/rules, I'll get to buy a second book to get what has always been in the first? And each of them for $15 more than the previous set of core books at launch? [trollish]And then when 4.5 comes out.....[/trollish]
You'll excuse me if I'm not too excited.
I guess that means that /. must be dying, too?!
Or Slackware.
To clarify, that is not a dig on Slackware (I've been a Slacker for about 8 years now). But if you want something light, simple, and solid, you really can't beat slack. If you're wanting to weed out things at the library level, then by all means LFS or Gentoo is probably what you'd want, but if you want something a little more lean out-of-the-box-but-there's-still-a-box Slack is where it's at.
IMO, HTH, HAND.
Aside from the fact that the OP asked for examples of open source projects that started out on OSX and then went to other platforms which is absolutely not the case with KHTML (a KDE project)....
As I recall that KHTML debacle it went more like:
1) KDE produces and maintains KHTML.
2) Apple adopts KHTML for Safari's rendering engine and lags on submitting patches
3) KHTML Dev's get annoyed and make noise about Apple's lack of patches
4) Apple releases a gigantic (6MB) fscking diff with no changelog
5) Public makes noise about this (3 slashdot articles later...)
6) Apple eventually agrees to start playing nice and starts the joint project "WebKit"
Not the best way to contribute to an OSS project...
Bill
Try rm -I. I know that's not exactly what you wanted, but maybe it'd help.
I think the parent's point wasn't just that XP wouldn't run all that great on the hardware, but that the apps that people typically associate with windows would definitely not run well, especially not on top of XP. Think more along the lines of Office.
Management tools? What, ftp? Why the hell would you run some bloated WebDev environment entirely in code mode?
Dude. Let me help you.
This will be KDE-specific, but I'm sure you could use Gnome programs for the same thing. For that matter, you could also setup SSHFS, or NFS.
Open Kate.
Click File, Open.
In the file selector, type: fish://user@someserver/some/path/and/file.html
Edit.
Save.
Marvel as your file is magically updated, without any bizarre management tools. With the benefit of being secure.
For extra credit, you can even figure out how to commonly accessed remote directories in the left-hand sidebar.
Bill