I honestly would be shocked if that were the case and they made a game based only on timing again.
Actually I just posted how the gameplay actually completely sucked. Dragon's lair was fun for spectators to watch but horribly limited in terms of actual gameplay.
Give me the old arcade versions of Tron or Tie Fighter anyday though. Now those games were awesome.:-) Oh yea, remember Rampage too? God that was fun.
OpenGL is "good enough" and its Cross platform. End of Story. That alone makes it worth the extra effort.
It's short sighted thinking that got us into the situation that were in now, where one nasty law-breaking company wields its power with an iron fist and wants to crush any potential innovators before they even have a chance to compete.
Who knows what other grahpics programming languages have been or will be quashed because of Microsoft? The only reason OpenGL even survived is that it was mature to enough not to be blown away be those crappy early versions of DirectX.
I hear people swearing allegence to a particular brand of consumer Hard Drive all the time, but I don't buy it.
It sucks that your Seagate died and I'm not trying to convince you to buy another one, but in general the reliability for Seagate, Maxtor, and WD's consumer drives are all about the same. If you had bought a defective Maxtor you'd be saying the same about Maxtor and praising the new Seagate you just bought.
I could give a crap if this is considered simplistic trollbait, but the FACT that minorities and women overwhelmingly vote Democrat year after year proves I'm on the right side. Sure maybe they are all lemmings, but to completely buy that argument you would need to believe that women and minorities just aren't intelligent enough to be able go decide which party best represents them. Personally I don't buy that and think women and minorities sure as shit know which party represents them, and which party wants to kick them to the side of the road.
As far the guy above admitting he supports Asscraft, well lets just say anyone who supports a strong central authority who wants to invade every nook and cranny of my privacy is not on the same side as me.
Isn't that the kicker though? The Republicans for all their "less government in our lives mantra" sure are hell bent on not only telling everyone what they can and can't do to their body, but they want a MASSIVE government agency perpetually monitor our personal space as well.
I could go on and on why I'm shocked why anyone but white farmers with no exposure to minorities vote Republican, but suffice to say the "every man for himself/less taxes for the ultra wealthy" doctrine that the Republicans offer up year after year disgusts me. We live in a Community and for better or worse are "all stuck in this together". The sooner we all start realizing that and work on things like Full national health-care and tax laws which benefits more than the wealthiest citizens(elimination of capital gains and inheritance tax anyone?) the better off we will ALL be.
Its not like the Democrats are some perfect party who never sell out or aren't tagging along with some of Bush's proposals (what do you mean we have to support some of this crazy homeland security stuff to get reelected?), but when push comes to shove I'll take the party that better supports women, minorities, non-Christians, and in general the labor class.
You Republicans are now free to accuse me of waging class warfare, but remember your the ones whose policies encourge it.
That's one thing that absolutely kicks ass about the opensource nix's. Everything you need to learn about nix you can learn at home for free and run them on the oldest pc's you can find.
I mean try learning windows 2000/exchange/SQL server on a P90 with 32MB ram. Not only is the software timebombed(You don't get to keep that now useful file/print/dns/proxy/firewall/blah server up running forever)but the hardware requirements are much higher.
Plus these days even though everyone wants to talk about TCO, there is something to be said for being able to provide File/Print/DNS/Web/Proxy/Database/Directory software to your company for Free. Unless your working for the most diehard of diehard MS shops employers take note of that sort of thing.
Admins who just because their in charge of a bunch of servers or pc's are the most self-important pricks you'll ever meet. Never!
I always have to laugh when I'm at other forums and the people there think their little bit of power at work is supposed to transcend outside it, and excuse them from being assholes in real life.
I find it odd that you would clone Outlook and then not be able to import the files that Outlook uses. I mean no matter what Ximian says, Evolution IS an Outlook clone for linux users.
Without the ability to import PST files they are completely ignoring the very users which they are trying to attract. Unless of course they aren't interested in those users, which I would have a hard time believing considering how the program has been designed.
More on Evolution itself, I think besides the PST thing, its a fantastic program. Compared to the early versions, it launches and closes in a reasonable period of time. It's good looking and really I think is without a doubt the best opensource "full-featured" email/Pim every made.
One thing I also wonder about is a win32 port of the program. Just like OpenOffice eases the transition because you can get started on a windows version first, so would a windows version of Evolution. I know, easier said then done, but its something to think about.
But betting on MS really doesn't help when like most businesses you use software other then windows and Office. So while with MS your technically more "safe" form them going under, that doesn't help for all the other software out there. In the end commercial software can't guarantee lifetime support. While with Open source you can. Sure it may cost you, but as long as you have access to the source, you can pay someone to fix it. Maybe you don't want to, but that's a nice safety net that can never be taken away, unlike what you get with closed source software.
"Most companies out there would prefer to take their chances on Microsoft's long term viability then they would on taking the chance that some Open Source project is going to continue to be actively developed"
The only thing that guarantees is that long term you'll be under the thumb of MS and its heinous licensing fees.
That's the lemming point of view that has gotten the computer industry to the point where it is now. No innovation in markets that MS has a monopoly in. MS blinks and everyone takes out their wallets or stop developing software in that market.
" maintain some open-sourced program whose chances of dropping off the radar screen or having its developers lose interest are much, much higher"
That's why you choose wisely. Here is why that point which always comes up is a complete red herring. I wouldn't heavily invest my company in any commercial company who either a) may be on the skids or b) is brand new. The same logic applies to open source. Your not gonna pick some project that doesn't have a good track record. Choose your software wisely and you'll do just as well with Open source as you do with commercial, plus access to the code.
So in conclusion if you have the staff to implement it, and have made sure there are support avenues available, there is no situation where Open Source doesn't trump commercial software Period.
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"but I was rather underimpressed with Red Hat 8--and I've never really even tried Linux before"
The second part explains the first part.
If you had been using linux for any length of time you would recognize Redhat 8 as the breakthrough distro that it is. Sure we've had distros like Corel who showed that you could make the linux desktop workable. But now with Redhat 8 you have the leading distro putting out a release that's usuable right NOW by any small business who just needs access to the basics like web, email, and an office suite. Its also their first real attempt at making a linux desktop.
So while its still not eveyones cup of tea, especially home users, you need some perspecive on why the rest of the IT commuity and well rounded linux users see what's right about it.
"MS will embrace Adobe's PDF idea, extend it using XDocs, and then let Adobe's PDF wither as Office defaults to output XDoc instead of PDF"
Since when does Office output PDF files by default? Office only will output PDF files if you spend several hundred dollars on Acrobat. When you print to PDF, you either click a little icon or click File->print PDF. There is absolutely no way MS could stop or influence that. Unless when people try to print PDF files MS hijacks the Adobe buttons and makes them print Xdocs instead. That would have them in a losing court battle with Abode instantly as what MS would have done is break Acrobat on purpose. Adobe actually has the money to defend itself.
The other thing is for this to take off everyone needs to be running Office 11 which isn't going to happen for quite some time. There are a ton of Office 97/2000/XP installs out there. So really just like Acrobat most people would have to download some sort of addon program to read Xdocs correctly since they won't have Office11. Also most people won't even have the ability to make Xdocs.
So although I wouldn't bet against MS, I'm not so sure PDF is going to be dying anytime soon.
Can you tell which model that was? I've got a K7T266Pro2 which works great, but I'd be interested in hearing which one yours was and then checking into what other MSI board used the same capactitors.
"To me, KDE isn't a software development project but rather, a parade. They see how Apple and Microsoft like to throw parties and festivals for their releases, all in the name of marketing"
Yea I can see how you could confuse a dictatorship, a convicted monopolist, and a bunch of coders who have worked for free for years now to provide us with a great free easy to use desktop.
You don't like the branding? Tough Fscking cookies. Feel free to create your own massive software development project and then give a a very bland name like "a".
And people wonder why coders who work long hours on free software projects don't want to deal with end users.
Adapt or die. There is no rule that states established businesses get to do business "the old" forever. If a better cheaper way of doing things comes along, oh well, tough cookies. There were once a lot of blacksmiths as well. So to the phone companies I say, Adapt or Die, better yet just die.
Yea I'm surprised they didn't print their Social Security and Phone numbers as well. I tell you one thing though, if this had been someone rich executive they wouldn't be doing that.
They should have just committed some white collar crime like a stock scam, they would have gotten off easier.
That's basically the bottom line. Its easier to spout a few stereotypes than it is to actually have any real knowledge.
The main problem is most people fly into Newark airport and think THAT is what NJ is like. Fact is Newark airport, and its surrounding area especially as you get closer to New York are just ugly industrial areas. The other 95% of the state is what gives it the name the Garden State. By percentage most of NJ is very rural wooded areas. The rest of it is normal communities just like in any other state. Also joking about the Turnpike is like joking about the 405 in California. I mean yes a lot of people who live near it take it, but its not like every other state in the nation doesn't have one road which is popular for crossing the state.
Anyway you may now continue on without your igornant stereotypes.
"I'm really glad I don't live there and I feel sorry for those that do"
Spoken like a true moron who knows nothing about the state. You think its called the "Garden State" for the hell of it? But then again your probably think all Texans wear cowboy hats, all New Yorkers are in the mob and all Alaskans are Eskimos.
"Ultimately the only serious competition Microsoft faces at this time is from Linux"
I was watching foxnews and they had their business roundtable going. They mentioned that how Linux was the only real competition. Then they literally laughed, yes literally laughed and all agreed how much of a joke it was to think some "free software" could compete with a $250 billion company.
"and in that case thay'd have to publically declare that their "security-related" API is insecure..."
Haven't they already admitted that though? I thought I remember them saying that the code is "so insecure" that if the opened the source it would be a huge can of worms.
then their locked into the MS Office monopoly. Plus when Office whatever comes out and won't run via wine they'll go to back to windows.
Much better to stick to native software like OpenOffice. Wine is a crutch that keeps you locked in a windows world. The more you use wine, the less incentive companies have to build native apps.
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Yes but its big and shiny, and people seem like big shiny knobs for some reason.
I honestly would be shocked if that were the case and they made a game based only on timing again.
:-) Oh yea, remember Rampage too? God that was fun.
Actually I just posted how the gameplay actually completely sucked. Dragon's lair was fun for spectators to watch but horribly limited in terms of actual gameplay.
Give me the old arcade versions of Tron or Tie Fighter anyday though. Now those games were awesome.
"we thought DL was insanely cool. "
Yes is was cool.....to watch.
The gameplay completely sucked. You were extremely limited to what you could do and playing a game completely based on timing was boring.
Dragons Lair='s fun to look at, crappy gameplay.
OpenGL is "good enough" and its Cross platform. End of Story. That alone makes it worth the extra effort.
It's short sighted thinking that got us into the situation that were in now, where one nasty law-breaking company wields its power with an iron fist and wants to crush any potential innovators before they even have a chance to compete.
Who knows what other grahpics programming languages have been or will be quashed because of Microsoft? The only reason OpenGL even survived is that it was mature to enough not to be blown away be those crappy early versions of DirectX.
It's not flamebait its true. That and "teh suck" are totally lame and overused.
I hear people swearing allegence to a particular brand of consumer Hard Drive all the time, but I don't buy it.
It sucks that your Seagate died and I'm not trying to convince you to buy another one, but in general the reliability for Seagate, Maxtor, and WD's consumer drives are all about the same. If you had bought a defective Maxtor you'd be saying the same about Maxtor and praising the new Seagate you just bought.
I could give a crap if this is considered simplistic trollbait, but the FACT that minorities and women overwhelmingly vote Democrat year after year proves I'm on the right side. Sure maybe they are all lemmings, but to completely buy that argument you would need to believe that women and minorities just aren't intelligent enough to be able go decide which party best represents them. Personally I don't buy that and think women and minorities sure as shit know which party represents them, and which party wants to kick them to the side of the road.
As far the guy above admitting he supports
Asscraft, well lets just say anyone who supports a strong central authority who wants to invade every nook and cranny of my privacy is not on the same side as me.
Isn't that the kicker though? The Republicans for all their "less government in our lives mantra" sure are hell bent on not only telling everyone what they can and can't do to their body, but they want a MASSIVE government agency perpetually monitor our personal space as well.
I could go on and on why I'm shocked why anyone but white farmers with no exposure to minorities vote Republican, but suffice to say the "every man for himself/less taxes for the ultra wealthy" doctrine that the Republicans offer up year after year disgusts me. We live in a Community and for better or worse are "all stuck in this together". The sooner we all start realizing that and work on things like Full national health-care and tax laws which benefits more than the wealthiest citizens(elimination of capital gains and inheritance tax anyone?) the better off we will ALL be.
Its not like the Democrats are some perfect party who never sell out or aren't tagging along with some of Bush's proposals (what do you mean we have to support some of this crazy homeland security stuff to get reelected?), but when push comes to shove I'll take the party that better supports women, minorities, non-Christians, and in general the labor class.
You Republicans are now free to accuse me of waging class warfare, but remember your the ones whose policies encourge it.
That's one thing that absolutely kicks ass about the opensource nix's. Everything you need to learn about nix you can learn at home for free and run them on the oldest pc's you can find.
I mean try learning windows 2000/exchange/SQL server on a P90 with 32MB ram. Not only is the software timebombed(You don't get to keep that now useful file/print/dns/proxy/firewall/blah server up running forever)but the hardware requirements are much higher.
Plus these days even though everyone wants to talk about TCO, there is something to be said for being able to provide File/Print/DNS/Web/Proxy/Database/Directory software to your company for Free. Unless your working for the most diehard of diehard MS shops employers take note of that sort of thing.
Arrogant?! Who?
Admins who just because their in charge of a bunch of servers or pc's are the most self-important pricks you'll ever meet. Never!
I always have to laugh when I'm at other forums and the people there think their little bit of power at work is supposed to transcend outside it, and excuse them from being assholes in real life.
http://www.cyberus.ca/~phoenix/outport/
which exports Calendar,Contacts, and Tasks to Evolution.
That just leaves doing the manual mail part via Mozilla.
I guess that works, but its still a bit messy and not really appealing except for individual users. Its still better than nothing though I suppose.
I find it odd that you would clone Outlook and then not be able to import the files that Outlook uses. I mean no matter what Ximian says, Evolution IS an Outlook clone for linux users.
Without the ability to import PST files they are completely ignoring the very users which they are trying to attract. Unless of course they aren't interested in those users, which I would have a hard time believing considering how the program has been designed.
More on Evolution itself, I think besides the PST thing, its a fantastic program. Compared to the early versions, it launches and closes in a reasonable period of time. It's good looking and really I think is without a doubt the best opensource "full-featured" email/Pim every made.
One thing I also wonder about is a win32 port of the program. Just like OpenOffice eases the transition because you can get started on a windows version first, so would a windows version of Evolution. I know, easier said then done, but its something to think about.
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But betting on MS really doesn't help when like most businesses you use software other then windows and Office. So while with MS your technically more "safe" form them going under, that doesn't help for all the other software out there. In the end commercial software can't guarantee lifetime support. While with Open source you can. Sure it may cost you, but as long as you have access to the source, you can pay someone to fix it. Maybe you don't want to, but that's a nice safety net that can never be taken away, unlike what you get with closed source software.
"Most companies out there would prefer to take their chances on Microsoft's long term viability then they would on taking the chance that some Open Source project is going to continue to be actively developed"
The only thing that guarantees is that long term you'll be under the thumb of MS and its heinous licensing fees.
That's the lemming point of view that has gotten the computer industry to the point where it is now. No innovation in markets that MS has a monopoly in. MS blinks and everyone takes out their wallets or stop developing software in that market.
" maintain some open-sourced program whose chances of dropping off the radar screen or having its developers lose interest are much, much higher"
That's why you choose wisely. Here is why that point which always comes up is a complete red herring. I wouldn't heavily invest my company in any commercial company who either a) may be on the skids or b) is brand new. The same logic applies to open source. Your not gonna pick some project that doesn't have a good track record. Choose your software wisely and you'll do just as well with Open source as you do with commercial, plus access to the code.
So in conclusion if you have the staff to implement it, and have made sure there are support avenues available, there is no situation where Open Source doesn't trump commercial software Period.
"but I was rather underimpressed with Red Hat 8--and I've never really even tried Linux before"
The second part explains the first part.
If you had been using linux for any length of time you would recognize Redhat 8 as the breakthrough distro that it is. Sure we've had distros like Corel who showed that you could make the linux desktop workable. But now with Redhat 8 you have the leading distro putting out a release that's usuable right NOW by any small business who just needs access to the basics like web, email, and an office suite. Its also their first real attempt at making a linux desktop.
So while its still not eveyones cup of tea, especially home users, you need some perspecive on why the rest of the IT commuity and well rounded linux users see what's right about it.
"MS will embrace Adobe's PDF idea, extend it using XDocs, and then let Adobe's PDF wither as Office defaults to output XDoc instead of PDF"
Since when does Office output PDF files by default? Office only will output PDF files if you spend several hundred dollars on Acrobat. When you print to PDF, you either click a little icon or click File->print PDF. There is absolutely no way MS could stop or influence that. Unless when people try to print PDF files MS hijacks the Adobe buttons and makes them print Xdocs instead. That would have them in a losing court battle with Abode instantly as what MS would have done is break Acrobat on purpose. Adobe actually has the money to defend itself.
The other thing is for this to take off everyone needs to be running Office 11 which isn't going to happen for quite some time. There are a ton of Office 97/2000/XP installs out there. So really just like Acrobat most people would have to download some sort of addon program to read Xdocs correctly since they won't have Office11. Also most people won't even have the ability to make Xdocs.
So although I wouldn't bet against MS, I'm not so sure PDF is going to be dying anytime soon.
Can you tell which model that was? I've got a K7T266Pro2 which works great, but I'd be interested in hearing which one yours was and then checking into what other MSI board used the same capactitors.
"To me, KDE isn't a software development project but rather, a parade. They see how Apple and Microsoft like to throw parties and festivals for their releases, all in the name of marketing"
Yea I can see how you could confuse a dictatorship, a convicted monopolist, and a bunch of coders who have worked for free for years now to provide us with a great free easy to use desktop.
You don't like the branding? Tough Fscking cookies. Feel free to create your own massive software development project and then give a a very bland name like "a".
And people wonder why coders who work long hours on free software projects don't want to deal with end users.
Adapt or die. There is no rule that states established businesses get to do business "the old" forever. If a better cheaper way of doing things comes along, oh well, tough cookies. There were once a lot of blacksmiths as well. So to the phone companies I say, Adapt or Die, better yet just die.
Is there a WMP plugin yet? Beacause that's what needs to be targeted first. There are a hell of a lot WMP users then there are Quicktime or ITunes.
Yea I'm surprised they didn't print their Social Security and Phone numbers as well. I tell you one thing though, if this had been someone rich executive they wouldn't be doing that.
They should have just committed some white collar crime like a stock scam, they would have gotten off easier.
That's basically the bottom line. Its easier to spout a few stereotypes than it is to actually have any real knowledge.
The main problem is most people fly into Newark airport and think THAT is what NJ is like. Fact is Newark airport, and its surrounding area especially as you get closer to New York are just ugly industrial areas. The other 95% of the state is what gives it the name the Garden State. By percentage most of NJ is very rural wooded areas. The rest of it is normal communities just like in any other state. Also joking about the Turnpike is like joking about the 405 in California. I mean yes a lot of people who live near it take it, but its not like every other state in the nation doesn't have one road which is popular for crossing the state.
Anyway you may now continue on without your igornant stereotypes.
"I'm really glad I don't live there and I feel sorry for those that do"
Spoken like a true moron who knows nothing about the state. You think its called the "Garden State" for the hell of it? But then again your probably think all Texans wear cowboy hats, all New Yorkers are in the mob and all Alaskans are Eskimos.
"Ultimately the only serious competition Microsoft faces at this time is from Linux"
I was watching foxnews and they had their business roundtable going. They mentioned that how Linux was the only real competition. Then they literally laughed, yes literally laughed and all agreed how much of a joke it was to think some "free software" could compete with a $250 billion company.
We'll see whose laughing in 5 years.
"and in that case thay'd have to publically declare that their "security-related" API is insecure..."
Haven't they already admitted that though? I thought I remember them saying that the code is "so insecure" that if the opened the source it would be a huge can of worms.
then their locked into the MS Office monopoly. Plus when Office whatever comes out and won't run via wine they'll go to back to windows.
Much better to stick to native software like OpenOffice. Wine is a crutch that keeps you locked in a windows world. The more you use wine, the less incentive companies have to build native apps.