I watched it live, and I must say it was full of marketing drivel. Not one moment did I feel wonder at what was displayed, only felt like I was being sold something but a really slimy salesman. Which is fair enough right? No not really. I'm not interested in how they are going, or how many millions of dollars they will make, I just want innovation in games. All we got in this display was I bunch of dick waving.
I'm sick of all this "our console is better than the other's" crap, I want to see the best games on the right console at the right time. For all three competitors. Their products should speak for themselves.
What I find so curious about this, is government asking a business to go easy on a school. In Australia, because we have government run schools, the government would be the one to purchase the computer equipment and therefore the school would be left to, well, teach! Instead of being distracted by huge bills hanging over their heads and potentially compromising the quality of the tuition given to students.
You guys really need to stop fearing the services that could be possibly provided by your governments, like education, health cover (not insurance), but free health etc.
And before you go on the whole anti-socialist rant etc, remember that it is not free, in fact you are paying for it with your taxes, you should ask yourself, what exactly you pay taxes for, if not to make sure stuff like this doesn't happen. Our system is similar to that of Britain, Canada, France and others.
Whether or not a console has staying power, depends on whether 3rd developers/publishers can make revenue from the platform. If the attach is crummy on a platform, then the number of hardware units sold starts to become useless (note I'm excluding the first party titles from this argument).
If 3rd developers/publishers start to feel that a platform is not giving the return they expect, they might start moving higher risk games onto the platforms that do give them higher attach rates. Of course having a HUGE install base starts to hide low attach rates... so we have yet to see really:)
The article that is attached to this story is at least neutral, but the negative spin placed on the article by the editor in question is just plain childish.
Firstly, yes DVD discs are going to sell a shitload more because there are MORE DVD PLAYERS out there. I was an early adopter of DVD and I know how the slowly sales went for the first 2 years. They went up slowly. So saying something like "yeah we sell like 5 BDs to 1 HD-DVD, but we sold like 80 DVDs", should be met with a big "well duh! really?".
Secondly, regardless of which format dominates, the fact that they sell only 200 or 1000 a month (in which territory?), still means that the product is selling 200 or 1000 units a week, and this is not a failure (revisit first point), these items will be on sales for a very long time. So until everyone owns a HD disc player of some kind, you are not going to see massive sales.
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I was just about to make the same comment. I mean the edge of space is like, what, 60 miles (96km)? And to go 200 miles... that is truly an achievement. I mean, come on, I have enough trouble launching out of bed in the morning. Give these guys a break.
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Sorry, I have to give you some perspective. This was the launch lineup for the XBox 360 (and for the year):
- Amped 3 - Call of Duty 2 - Condemned: Criminal Origins - GUN - Kameo: Elements of Power - NBA 2K6 - NBA Live 06 - NHL 2K6 - Need for Speed: Most Wanted - Perfect Dark Zero - Peter Jackson's King Kong - Project Gotham Racing 3 - Quake 4 - Tiger Woods PGA Tour 06 - Tony Hawk's American Wasteland - Every Party - Tetris: The Grand Master Ace
This is what the PS3 had for launch (and for the year):
- Untold Legends - Tony Hawk's Project 8 - Tiger Woods PGA Tour 07 - Ridge Racer 7 - NHL 2K7 - Need for Speed Carbon - NBA 2K7 - Mobile Suit Gundam: CROSSFIRE - Marvel: Ultimate Alliance - Madden NFL 07 - Call of Duty 3 - Cash Guns Chaos DLX - Fight Night 3 - Full Auto 2: Battlelines - Blazing Angels Squadron of WWII - Genji: Days of the Blade - Resistance: Fall of Man - NBA 07 - Blast Factor - Lemmings
And there are many more title for this year too. So before you go rattling off that there are no titles for the PS3, get some perspective on what the XBox360 launch looked like first.
Don't flame me please, but Nintendo are making a profit on the Wii right? Which is not a bad thing by any means, but surely they could swing a deal with opera to get users free perpetual licenses. My phone comes with opera. I don't pay for that.
For goodness sake, even the PS3 ships with a built in web browser that is free. Although not sure exactly what that thing is... probably sOnyWEb 1.0 or something like that:)
Back in the day, these guys had something like 3000+ paid up users for CNR/Linspire. I know I bought marble madness from CNR, which is a commercial product.
I can only assume this has grown to a point where the company is now happy with it's income to make CNR free.
I was a tester in the early days of Lindo... Linspire:) It was a good system then and it is still now. It's a good thing(tm) that it has been made free. They can still sell their commercial products through that chain.
I guess that's a good point. JIT is something that probably works best for conventional manufacturing that involves common well known components. In the case of the Prius, it is most likely the cars' unique part requirements, that cause a problem.
A manufacturing method called Just-In-Time is popular among Japanese and worldwide companies. Look here for reference.
Basically, the strategy allows a company to avoid inventory costs and be more agile when it comes to shifting stock around territories (from ones that aren't selling to ones that are). Toyota use the method and I've seen it first hand. Basically you establish a small buffer (maybe a month before launch) and ship those launch territories, while keeping some in stock. You then watch your stock in those territories and produce units, just-in-time, to meet demand(in theory).
"The PSP had UMD movies that were lower resolution copies of Movies that were not playable on anything else; cost more then a DVD of the same movie, and usually had fewer extras due to lower disk capacity. The DS has a wider variety of games, and other Software that appeal to broader demographics."
What does this have to do with fun games?
"Also you state the PSP has more games, but that doesn't paint the whole picture. The PSP currently has only 3 titles that sold over 1 million copies worldwide and the DS has 13. One of which (English Training) isn't even a game, so it wouldn't show up on Metacritic."
Brain training is on there... what is your point exactly. I don't care about units sold. I care about how much fun games seem to be for people of either machine. If game were "no fun" on the psp, I'd expect to see reviews all in the red. That is simply not the case.
Well then I guess all those units of unsold DS's at my local store are not part of the shipped figure then? Is there a third figure, because that must mean that those units I see in store are not part of the shipped total?
"And you are the first person I ever met that actually says the psp has more good games than the DS."
Really then you need to meet some of the people that play PSP and DS games and maybe even chat to those people on metacritic.
- If the PSP is no fun at the moment, how about EA actually making some fun games? - There are 122 games released for the DS - There are 147 games released for the PSP - For the DS: 18 are bad, 69 are okay to good, 33 are great (backed up by media reviews and users) - For the PSP: 7 ar bad, 87 are okay to good, 52 are great (backed up by media reviews and users)
- The PSP has shipped(not sold) 20 million units worldwide - The DS has shipped(not sold) 21 million units worldwide
etc etc etc.
Look, I have a PSP and I play the the games I have and they are fun. I'm starting to feel that the people that moan about game being crap on the PSP are complaining about the ripped pirated games they play on their 1.5 handhelds. You know, the ones missing assets, sounds, movies and models.
Well the funny thing is that in Predator 2, they actually describe a method of bending light around the suit, which makes the predator invisible... life really does imitate art, or maybe steals from it:)
There is Dragon Naturally speaking 9, which apparently is pretty good, but will SR ever really be the Star Trek kind? You can't really expect to use SR in a noisey environment. Has anyone here ever worked on a SR application?
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...we respected the definition 2-D materials as set out in classical physics.
Fuck you and the bile that you spew forth and your stupid fucking lame tags.
I watched it live, and I must say it was full of marketing drivel. Not one moment did I feel wonder at what was displayed, only felt like I was being sold something but a really slimy salesman. Which is fair enough right? No not really. I'm not interested in how they are going, or how many millions of dollars they will make, I just want innovation in games. All we got in this display was I bunch of dick waving.
I'm sick of all this "our console is better than the other's" crap, I want to see the best games on the right console at the right time. For all three competitors. Their products should speak for themselves.
What I find so curious about this, is government asking a business to go easy on a school. In Australia, because we have government run schools, the government would be the one to purchase the computer equipment and therefore the school would be left to, well, teach! Instead of being distracted by huge bills hanging over their heads and potentially compromising the quality of the tuition given to students.
You guys really need to stop fearing the services that could be possibly provided by your governments, like education, health cover (not insurance), but free health etc.
And before you go on the whole anti-socialist rant etc, remember that it is not free, in fact you are paying for it with your taxes, you should ask yourself, what exactly you pay taxes for, if not to make sure stuff like this doesn't happen. Our system is similar to that of Britain, Canada, France and others.
Whether or not a console has staying power, depends on whether 3rd developers/publishers can make revenue from the platform. If the attach is crummy on a platform, then the number of hardware units sold starts to become useless (note I'm excluding the first party titles from this argument).
:)
If 3rd developers/publishers start to feel that a platform is not giving the return they expect, they might start moving higher risk games onto the platforms that do give them higher attach rates. Of course having a HUGE install base starts to hide low attach rates... so we have yet to see really
Thank God someone agrees with me!
The article that is attached to this story is at least neutral, but the negative spin placed on the article by the editor in question is just plain childish.
Firstly, yes DVD discs are going to sell a shitload more because there are MORE DVD PLAYERS out there. I was an early adopter of DVD and I know how the slowly sales went for the first 2 years. They went up slowly. So saying something like "yeah we sell like 5 BDs to 1 HD-DVD, but we sold like 80 DVDs", should be met with a big "well duh! really?".
Secondly, regardless of which format dominates, the fact that they sell only 200 or 1000 a month (in which territory?), still means that the product is selling 200 or 1000 units a week, and this is not a failure (revisit first point), these items will be on sales for a very long time. So until everyone owns a HD disc player of some kind, you are not going to see massive sales.
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RTFA. The technology is not novel. The price tag is. The tech already exists if you have $20,000 to spare.
I was just about to make the same comment. I mean the edge of space is like, what, 60 miles (96km)? And to go 200 miles... that is truly an achievement. I mean, come on, I have enough trouble launching out of bed in the morning. Give these guys a break.
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Sorry, I have to give you some perspective. This was the launch lineup for the XBox 360 (and for the year):
- Amped 3
- Call of Duty 2
- Condemned: Criminal Origins
- GUN
- Kameo: Elements of Power
- NBA 2K6
- NBA Live 06
- NHL 2K6
- Need for Speed: Most Wanted
- Perfect Dark Zero
- Peter Jackson's King Kong
- Project Gotham Racing 3
- Quake 4
- Tiger Woods PGA Tour 06
- Tony Hawk's American Wasteland
- Every Party
- Tetris: The Grand Master Ace
This is what the PS3 had for launch (and for the year):
- Untold Legends
- Tony Hawk's Project 8
- Tiger Woods PGA Tour 07
- Ridge Racer 7
- NHL 2K7
- Need for Speed Carbon
- NBA 2K7
- Mobile Suit Gundam: CROSSFIRE
- Marvel: Ultimate Alliance
- Madden NFL 07
- Call of Duty 3
- Cash Guns Chaos DLX
- Fight Night 3
- Full Auto 2: Battlelines
- Blazing Angels Squadron of WWII
- Genji: Days of the Blade
- Resistance: Fall of Man
- NBA 07
- Blast Factor
- Lemmings
And there are many more title for this year too. So before you go rattling off that there are no titles for the PS3, get some perspective on what the XBox360 launch looked like first.
640KB should be enough for anyone...
Don't flame me please, but Nintendo are making a profit on the Wii right? Which is not a bad thing by any means, but surely they could swing a deal with opera to get users free perpetual licenses. My phone comes with opera. I don't pay for that.
:)
For goodness sake, even the PS3 ships with a built in web browser that is free. Although not sure exactly what that thing is... probably sOnyWEb 1.0 or something like that
Back in the day, these guys had something like 3000+ paid up users for CNR/Linspire. I know I bought marble madness from CNR, which is a commercial product.
I can only assume this has grown to a point where the company is now happy with it's income to make CNR free.
I was a tester in the early days of Lindo... Linspire :) It was a good system then and it is still now. It's a good thing(tm) that it has been made free. They can still sell their commercial products through that chain.
I guess that's a good point. JIT is something that probably works best for conventional manufacturing that involves common well known components. In the case of the Prius, it is most likely the cars' unique part requirements, that cause a problem.
A manufacturing method called Just-In-Time is popular among Japanese and worldwide companies. Look here for reference.
Basically, the strategy allows a company to avoid inventory costs and be more agile when it comes to shifting stock around territories (from ones that aren't selling to ones that are). Toyota use the method and I've seen it first hand. Basically you establish a small buffer (maybe a month before launch) and ship those launch territories, while keeping some in stock. You then watch your stock in those territories and produce units, just-in-time, to meet demand(in theory).
"The PSP had UMD movies that were lower resolution copies of Movies that were not playable on anything else; cost more then a DVD of the same movie, and usually had fewer extras due to lower disk capacity. The DS has a wider variety of games, and other Software that appeal to broader demographics."
What does this have to do with fun games?
"Also you state the PSP has more games, but that doesn't paint the whole picture. The PSP currently has only 3 titles that sold over 1 million copies worldwide and the DS has 13. One of which (English Training) isn't even a game, so it wouldn't show up on Metacritic."
Brain training is on there... what is your point exactly. I don't care about units sold. I care about how much fun games seem to be for people of either machine. If game were "no fun" on the psp, I'd expect to see reviews all in the red. That is simply not the case.
Well then I guess all those units of unsold DS's at my local store are not part of the shipped figure then? Is there a third figure, because that must mean that those units I see in store are not part of the shipped total?
"And you are the first person I ever met that actually says the psp has more good games than the DS."
Really then you need to meet some of the people that play PSP and DS games and maybe even chat to those people on metacritic.
Let's get a couple of things straight:
- If the PSP is no fun at the moment, how about EA actually making some fun games?
- There are 122 games released for the DS
- There are 147 games released for the PSP
- For the DS: 18 are bad, 69 are okay to good, 33 are great (backed up by media reviews and users)
- For the PSP: 7 ar bad, 87 are okay to good, 52 are great (backed up by media reviews and users)
Look it up:
http://www.metacritic.com/games/psp/scores/
http://www.metacritic.com/games/ds/scores/
- The PSP has shipped(not sold) 20 million units worldwide
- The DS has shipped(not sold) 21 million units worldwide
etc etc etc.
Look, I have a PSP and I play the the games I have and they are fun. I'm starting to feel that the people that moan about game being crap on the PSP are complaining about the ripped pirated games they play on their 1.5 handhelds. You know, the ones missing assets, sounds, movies and models.
Well the funny thing is that in Predator 2, they actually describe a method of bending light around the suit, which makes the predator invisible... life really does imitate art, or maybe steals from it :)
There is Dragon Naturally speaking 9, which apparently is pretty good, but will SR ever really be the Star Trek kind? You can't really expect to use SR in a noisey environment. Has anyone here ever worked on a SR application?
What's the average cost per flight for a shuttle?
Oh God... I don't know whether to use this device or eat it! Looks like Jello on a plate ;)