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Wii Opera Browser is Free Until Next Year

Wowzer writes "Nintendo is serious about giving casual game console users multi-functionality by offering not just a weather, news, and photo channels, but a free internet browser with the Wii at the November 19th U.S. launch. From the article: 'Opera's full Web browser is available for download from the Wii Shop Channel. Nintendo has stated that they will offer Opera free of charge as a temporary promotion for all [worldwide] Wii users until June 2007.'"

213 comments

  1. Let me be the first to say... by AlexMax2742 · · Score: 1
    Wiiiiiiiiii!

    I love Opera, but the fact that they were going to want to charge money for it was a little meh, though I was more than happy to pay for it. The fact that it's free until 2007 seals the deal for me.

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    1. Re:Let me be the first to say... by kirun · · Score: 1

      If you love Opera on your PC, what would be the point of using it on a lower-resolution TV instead?

      I agree though, Wiiiiiiiiii! (Just pwii, er, pre-ordered.)

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    2. Re:Let me be the first to say... by normal_guy · · Score: 5, Insightful

      For me it's not a matter of resolution, but seating comfort. My sofa trumps my desk chair.

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    3. Re:Let me be the first to say... by DittoBox · · Score: 1

      Wii don't think these dumb 'Wii' jokes are funny anymore.

      Capiish?

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    4. Re:Let me be the first to say... by Wind_Walker · · Score: 1

      Where'd you pre-order from? Last I heard nobody was accepting pre-orders.

    5. Re:Let me be the first to say... by MarkGriz · · Score: 1

      Capiish?

      Wii, Monsieur

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    6. Re:Let me be the first to say... by kirun · · Score: 1

      In other words, Wii are not amused?

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    7. Re:Let me be the first to say... by empaler · · Score: 1

      Lik-Sang appears to be taking pre-orders, though without stating price nor release date.
      I think it's a pretty safe bet though, since Lik-Sang are pretty well priced usually. (Note: I live in a country with 25% sales tax)

    8. Re:Let me be the first to say... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I love Opera too, but the ability to use the web on my gaming console wasn't enough of a draw that I would have paid extra for it. With it being free, I'll download it and probably play with it a bit, but I doubt it will really see much use. I already have my computer in the living room if I need some webbrowsing.

    9. Re:Let me be the first to say... by kirun · · Score: 1

      gameplay.com. The pre-orders weren't there last time I checked, and I jumped in today when I saw them. They do warn that they don't know what their allocation is yet, but they're upfront enough to tell you so in red letters as the first thing on the page. The stuff I've bought there in the past has come on time, and the one order they made an error on got exchanged with no hassle.

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    10. Re:Let me be the first to say... by ArwynH · · Score: 1, Interesting

      Wiill you cut it wiith the Wii jokes alwiidy!

      Ok. Maybe that was overdoing it a little, but you got to hand it to Nintendo, their choice of name is pure genius. PS3? Xbox 360? Revolution? Just names! But wii can have so much fun wiith the Wii now can't wii. ^_^

    11. Re:Let me be the first to say... by Kelson · · Score: 1
      Wii don't think these dumb 'Wii' jokes are funny anymore.

      So wii've been told.

    12. Re:Let me be the first to say... by Beale · · Score: 1

      Well, you could always play flash games with your Wiimote... To be honest, I probably wouldn't pay for it, but if it's free, you might as well.

    13. Re:Let me be the first to say... by Yaotzin · · Score: 2, Informative

      But the region setting on it will probably be US or Japan which means that you can't buy any games for the Wii in Europe...

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    14. Re:Let me be the first to say... by johnsmith_12345 · · Score: 1

      Amazon was accepting preorders for a few hours but that is finished.

    15. Re:Let me be the first to say... by bky1701 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      A true geek would move the sofa. ;)

    16. Re:Let me be the first to say... by Rydia · · Score: 1

      Where did you preorder? I've been looking for a good, reliable place for a while now.

    17. Re:Let me be the first to say... by sadler121 · · Score: 4, Funny

      No, I true geek would not be able to move the sofa. ;-)

    18. Re:Let me be the first to say... by Yvan256 · · Score: 1

      I paid 50$CAD to pre-order a Wii about two months ago (Toys'R Us, Canada).

    19. Re:Let me be the first to say... by Starayo · · Score: 1

      Um, I recently got annoyed at my chair so I used my madd skillz at geometry and stuff to navigate a lounge through the huge objects in my room.
      Now I can't get it out.

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    20. Re:Let me be the first to say... by bky1701 · · Score: 1

      A true geek's sofa would be made out of cardboard, tin cans and packing peanuts. ;)

    21. Re:Let me be the first to say... by jZnat · · Score: 1

      A true geek would get a damn notebook instead of a desktop. I do all my computing in bed now!

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    22. Re:Let me be the first to say... by metroplex · · Score: 1

      I once heard of this special device called a "laptop computer" ...

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    23. Re:Let me be the first to say... by Yer+Mom · · Score: 2

      A true geek's sofa would be irretrievably stuck halfway up the stairs.

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    24. Re:Let me be the first to say... by Weedlekin · · Score: 1

      "But the region setting on it will probably be US or Japan which means that you can't buy any games for the Wii in Europe..."

      The fact that (a) many games never appear in Europe, and (b) those that do are usually significantly more expensive means that this is a plus rather than a minus.

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    25. Re:Let me be the first to say... by KDR_11k · · Score: 1

      A true geek doesn't need to move the sofa to put it in front of the PC.

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    26. Re:Let me be the first to say... by NotWorkSafe · · Score: 1

      PC World is taking UK preorders.

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    27. Re:Let me be the first to say... by Yaotzin · · Score: 1

      But still, you might get a Wii with the Japanese region coding and then you'd have to play the games in a language you might not understand.

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    28. Re:Let me be the first to say... by Weedlekin · · Score: 1

      There isn't really a lot of information available about how the Wii's region coding works, so it's difficult to say what geographical areas constitute a "region" for Nintendo, and therefore what the implications will be for those who import them from other parts of the world. We shall therefore probably have to wait until people get their hands on them before any definitive information appears, but I think that the likelihood of this particular "feature" pissing off a lot of existing Nintendo fans all over the world is pretty high, as many of these have become accustomed to buying titles for their current consoles from foreign suppliers when a particular game isn't available at home.

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  2. Web browser? by !ramirez · · Score: 4, Funny

    Wouldn't this be a 'Wiib Browser'?

    1. Re:Web browser? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It has always been a wiib browser ... in New Zulund.

  3. Uh ? by koh · · Score: 0

    Isn't Opera free already ?

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    1. Re:Uh ? by aleksiel · · Score: 2, Informative

      not an opera that works on the wii.
      the original plan was to charge for it (the opera for the DS will cost money)

    2. Re:Uh ? by fohat · · Score: 1

      I believe it was about a year ago that they stopped charging for it. I know this, because I bought a license about a month before they made it free... (a quick google search reveals it was 1 year and 6 days ago :)

      This is a good move by Nintendo I think, but I will hope that in June they change their minds and leave it free.

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    3. Re:Uh ? by __aaclcg7560 · · Score: 1, Troll

      Only if you want free ads...

    4. Re:Uh ? by creepynut · · Score: 1

      When was the last time you checked Opera's website? Any time in the past year since they released it free? :)

    5. Re:Uh ? by Carnildo · · Score: 4, Informative

      Opera for PC is free. Opera for embedded systems like your phone, PDA, or Wii costs money, but usually that cost is hidden in the price of the product.

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    6. Re:Uh ? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      and only if you want a version that is more than a year old. They got rid of the ads and went freeware for windows, mac, and linux around a year ago.

    7. Re:Uh ? by Kelson · · Score: 1
      Only if you want free ads...

      That's kind of like saying that using Linux requires you to compile everything by hand. It may have been true once, but the info is out of date.

    8. Re:Uh ? by bunratty · · Score: 1

      Oh, Linux lets you use a compiler now, instead of forcing you to compile everything by hand? Whew, that's certainly going to make things much easier!

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    9. Re:Uh ? by MobileTatsu-NJG · · Score: 1

      "Only if you want free ads..."

      Opera isn't ad supported.

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    10. Re:Uh ? by Kelson · · Score: 1
      Oh, Linux lets you use a compiler now, instead of forcing you to compile everything by hand? Whew, that's certainly going to make things much easier!

      Absolutely! I nearly got carpal tunnel syndrome from moving those magnets around, flipping bits on the disk. (Though it did help me with fine motor control.) And don't get me started on the piles of scratch paper I used to go through!

    11. Re:Uh ? by __aaclcg7560 · · Score: 1

      Funny... Why didn't they announce that on Slashdot? :P

    12. Re:Uh ? by Atraxen · · Score: 1
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    13. Re:Uh ? by radish · · Score: 1
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    14. Re:Uh ? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      Let me add that Opera Mini is free as well.
      http://www.opera.com/products/mobile/operamini/

    15. Re:Uh ? by franksands · · Score: 1

      They did. Here is the story.

    16. Re:Uh ? by __aaclcg7560 · · Score: 1

      The last version I saw was 1.0 from a long time ago. Since then, Opera been off my radar screen until I saw this article that it's going to be on the Wii (which I'm planning to pre-order).

    17. Re:Uh ? by daddymac · · Score: 3, Funny

      Funny. Why didn't they announce that on Slashdot, and then again the next day?

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    18. Re:Uh ? by Kelson · · Score: 1
      The last version I saw was 1.0 from a long time ago. Since then, Opera been off my radar screen

      Really? The ads didn't come in until version 5. Before that, it was straight shareware.

    19. Re:Uh ? by Kelson · · Score: 1

      You probably mean http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=05/09/20/121723 2

      The story you linked to was the celebratory free license giveaway they did about a month before they dropped the registration requirements entirely

    20. Re:Uh ? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That is actually pretty amazing, since Opera version 1.0 was not a public release. (Opera v2 was the first public version.) It would be very cool if you have a link for Opera 1.0 for us. :)

    21. Re:Uh ? by Yvan256 · · Score: 3, Informative
      the opera for the DS will cost money
      Of course it will. It comes on a game cart and also includes a GBA cart to add RAM to the Nintendo DS.
    22. Re:Uh ? by johnsmith_12345 · · Score: 1

      You must be new here...

    23. Re:Uh ? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

      Opera for Nokia Series 60 phones is also free.

    24. Re:Uh ? by petermgreen · · Score: 1

      The PC (windows at least, linux too i think) edition is free yes. I suspect they realised there was little money to be made in the saturated PC browser market and therefore they may as well make it free to try and get more web developer mindshare (which is good for the value of thier embedded versions).

      the embedded versions are operas main products nowadays. They have a good browser core that they can sell customised versions of to either the manufacturers or the users of other platforms (like phones, pdas and games consoles).

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    25. Re:Uh ? by aleksiel · · Score: 1

      right, but the opera for the wii is a cheap download (i forget the exact price), while opera is supposed to be something close to a full-priced game.

    26. Re:Uh ? by KDR_11k · · Score: 1

      Magnets? MAGNETS? We used a dull fork because we couldn't afford a proper keypuncher!

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    27. Re:Uh ? by DDLKermit007 · · Score: 1

      Which is fine given a standard DS cart with Opera browser on it + a non-standard GBA cart with higher quality memory costs a whole lot more to make than a normal game cart. Opera on the Wii will just be the code to run it since you ahve the necicarry hardware allready and we all know code can be replicated for next to nill (bandwith + electricity). Any money they make off the Wii Opera will be more for upkeep of the browser I believe.

    28. Re:Uh ? by aleksiel · · Score: 1

      it'd have to be modified to work with whatever OS the wii is running, which requires development time thats not being used to develop the non-wii opera.

  4. Is a free, huh? by Deadguy2322 · · Score: 5, Funny

    Did Mario write the headline?

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    1. Re:Is a free, huh? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

      That would be "Wii Opera is-a Bowser Free Until Next Year"

    2. Re:Is a free, huh? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No, low of a job for him, he outsources his media relations to Luigi since that bastard isn't in the spotlight much anymore.

  5. Excellent by MBCook · · Score: 1

    They already announced this for Japan, so I expecit it to happen. I think it's a great thing to do. I have to wonder what the price will be once the "sale" stops. Still, I can see how this may be useful, but I don't think I'd pay for it. People who may have a Wii and no computer though might.

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    1. Re:Excellent by Rendo · · Score: 0

      Um... If they're getting online through the Wii, it means they have an internet connection to begin with, and 99% of people that have an inet connection have a PC. Not many people will pay $30+/month for internet just for the Wii.

    2. Re:Excellent by MBCook · · Score: 1

      These days, you never know. I thought of that, but what about the idea of IPTV. If they have IPTV they may have the 'net connection and no computer. They may live in an apartment that provides that as part of the rent but they don't have a computer. They may GET an internet connection for their Wii and still not have a computer.

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  6. free use for early adopters? by Yahweh+Doesn't+Exist · · Score: 1

    or are they implying everyone will have to buy after July? non-free updates?

    I'm getting the Wii but not interested in browsing anyway. the DS browser seemed like a nice idea and was well implemented except for the appalling performance so I didn't bother.

    1. Re:free use for early adopters? by squiggleslash · · Score: 1

      I didn't think the DS browser had been released yet. Do you have a link?

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    2. Re:free use for early adopters? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      huh? not sure I understand the question. you can download the browser and use it for free until the cut off date. after that if you want to surf using opera on the wii you will have to buy the browser (for a one time price i'm sure). if you don't care about surfing on the wii then this doesn't have anything to do with you. you need no worry your self over it.

    3. Re:free use for early adopters? by Yahweh+Doesn't+Exist · · Score: 1

      check out the reviews including http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QR2yfhBSvR0 showing poor performance (load times: 1 min for slashdot, 1.5 mins for digg, 2 mins for sites with graphics, 3 mins for CNN).

    4. Re:free use for early adopters? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      that's one interpretation. the other is that if you start using it before july, you can use it free indefinitely. this is how most people interpret "free until july".

    5. Re:free use for early adopters? by squiggleslash · · Score: 1

      Yeah, I've seen those, but these are presumably not of the final product. I'm thinking it's going to be hard to judge how good it is until it's sold, I assumed you'd seen it. (I can't find anything other than a European release date.)

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    6. Re:free use for early adopters? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's the final japanese version. There should be no differences in performance on the american and european versions of the browser. It's brutally slow and that's incredibly depressing.

  7. What's next, a free version Firefox? by elrous0 · · Score: 0, Troll
    Wow, Nintendo is temporarily offering me a free copy of a program that has always been free before. What a bargain!!

    -Eric

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    1. Re:What's next, a free version Firefox? by AuMatar · · Score: 3, Informative

      Always been free? Its been free for a year, maybe 2. It was a for pay product for many many years.

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    2. Re:What's next, a free version Firefox? by poot_rootbeer · · Score: 4, Informative

      Nintendo is temporarily offering me a free copy of a program that has always been free before. What a bargain!!

      Opera has not "always been free". Prior to Version 5, it was pay software only. From 2000 to 2005, a "free" version was available, but was ad-sponsored. It's only been in the past year or so that a free-and-clear version of the browser has been available on the desktop.

    3. Re:What's next, a free version Firefox? by (A)*(B)!0_- · · Score: 1
      Let's examine your statement.
      "Wow, Nintendo is temporarily offering me a free copy of a program that has always been free before. What a bargain!!"
      Always been free before? This is Opera for the Wii. Opera for the Wii has NOT been available previously. Furthermore, your knowledge of history seems to be lacking as even Opera for the PC once had a pricetag other than free on it. Perhaps this page will help you.

      It's fun to be smug but only when you know what you're talking about.

      Got it Eric?

    4. Re:What's next, a free version Firefox? by Anonymous+Freak · · Score: 2, Informative
      What are you talking about? Opera hasn't always been free. Don't you remember when Apple came out with Safari, Opera threatened to take their ball and go home over it? (Since they were charging, and they accused Apple of the same noncompetitive practices everyone else yelled at Microsoft about.) If you check the /. archives, you can see the story from last September announcing that Opera was going free. Before that, they charged $40.

      And they STILL charge for 'embedded' web browsers. (Ones for cell phones, etc.) Although some cell phone companies pay for it to be included.

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    5. Re:What's next, a free version Firefox? by ActionAL · · Score: 1

      ya quick, someone post this on slickdeals! :)

    6. Re:What's next, a free version Firefox? by suv4x4 · · Score: 3, Funny

      It's fun to be smug but only when you know what you're talking about.

      Got it Eric?


      Nah, it's always fun to be smug, dude.

    7. Re:What's next, a free version Firefox? by Kelson · · Score: 2, Interesting

      On the plus side, it's nice to see someone making the opposite of the classic mistake, taking current information and assuming it was true in the past, rather than taking outdated information and assuming it still applies to the present.

    8. Re:What's next, a free version Firefox? by Thuktun · · Score: 1

      Everyone's jumping on one part of your comment, but I'm curious about the other bit. I wonder if one might be able to use Firefox on one's Wii?

    9. Re:What's next, a free version Firefox? by Orange+Crush · · Score: 0, Offtopic

      Firefox could take us to the sites that will really help us take advantage of our Wiis.

    10. Re:What's next, a free version Firefox? by WilliamSChips · · Score: 1

      We have always been at war with Eurasia!

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    11. Re:What's next, a free version Firefox? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      As a ex Opera for Windows (moved to OS X,Omniweb combination) customer, I know what would happen when a new product from Opera ASA ships or they announce a major breakthrough. The famous "Why pay for browser?" guys. I'd generally explain myself in 100 lines to them but as I am bored, I say "I am a moron,that is why I pay for a browser" and they shut up.

      Not to mention "QT framework should be free even if my application is commercial" types. Those are the developer types who didn't see the story yet. Even if they charge $20.000 from the company they coded custom application for, QT should be free of charge since it is open source!

      You know, Trolltech and Opera ASA guys are sort of robotic creatures who doesn't eat or need money to live :)

    12. Re:What's next, a free version Firefox? by evilneko · · Score: 0

      AFAIK, Opera for non-PC devices, ie, mobile phones etc., has always had a pricetag. This is how Opera got their start, that's what their business is based on.

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  8. at which point... by Anubis350 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    ...someone will have hacked up a free version to use in place of the pay one...

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    1. Re:at which point... by pembo13 · · Score: 1

      I suspect this would hurt Opera, not Nintendo.

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    2. Re:at which point... by ClamIAm · · Score: 1

      Good luck signing those binaries.

    3. Re:at which point... by Movi · · Score: 1

      Not really a problem, either use a PassMe card which takes care of the signing process, or use Linux for the DS.

    4. Re:at which point... by ClamIAm · · Score: 1

      Oh, I didn't realize that DS hacking tools worked on the Wii too. Cool.

    5. Re:at which point... by cubicledrone · · Score: 1

      ...someone will have hacked up a free version to use in place of the pay one...

      Yeah. Let's take a giant shit on Opera over what, ten bucks?

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    6. Re:at which point... by Movi · · Score: 1

      Ah, my bad. I thought the parent was talking about Firefox for DS.

  9. I have but one thing to say about the subject by noamsml · · Score: 2, Funny

    The headline is a bad grammar.

    1. Re:I have but one thing to say about the subject by patrixmyth · · Score: 4, Funny

      Give them a break. Super Mario issued the press release.

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    2. Re:I have but one thing to say about the subject by techpawn · · Score: 1, Funny

      Maybe it was written by "It's a Me! Mario!"

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    3. Re:I have but one thing to say about the subject by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No, this is Mario's company we're talking about.

      "Itsa free-a until-a next-a year-a!"

  10. So... by voice_of_all_reason · · Score: 2, Funny

    If someone's already bought it for their PC, they can just let Opera and Nintendo know and they'll get a copy sent straight to their Wii, right? I mean, surely a respectable company with IP will have no problem making you absolutely happy with your purchase once you've paid them money, right?

    1. Re:So... by TrickFred · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Analogy time:

      Buying a PC game doesn't always entitle you to a copy of the Mac version of the game as well.

      Buying a PS2 game doesn't entitle you to a copy of the GameCube version of the game as well.

      Why should this be any different?

      Suck it up, or just use Opera on your PC. *shrug*

      (FYI - No intention of buying it myself, I have a PC for that kind of thing)

    2. Re:So... by Boglin · · Score: 4, Funny

      Actually, they're doing one better. If you've purchased Opera for the Wii, you can transfer it over to your PC. In fact, they're so generous that you can even keep the copy on your Wii while still running the one on your desktop. Compare that with those stingy bastards at Firefox. I spent ten times as much on Firefox as I did on Opera, yet they STILL feel that I don't deserve a copy for my Wii. Greedy, money grubbing assholes.

    3. Re:So... by TheoMurpse · · Score: 1
      If you've purchased Opera for the Wii, you can transfer it over to your PC.
      Opera is free for PC/Mac/Linux/BSD/etc already, and it has been for quite some time now.
    4. Re:So... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You don't have to pay for Opera on the PC. Opera has released to browser for everyone to download. No ads this time either...

      So you can't complain

    5. Re:So... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's been a while since you had to pay for Opera on Desktop. Still have to pay on mobile phones, though, unless you use Opera Mini.

      And, as others pointed out, your analogy is flawed.

    6. Re:So... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Whoosh!

    7. Re:So... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Stop. Think. I know it's hard, but you'll get it.

    8. Re:So... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I think that would be the joke.....

  11. "a Free" by BeeBeard · · Score: 1

    *chuckles* :)

    1. Re:"a Free" by Tuxedo_Jim · · Score: 0, Offtopic

      That's just Mario talk.. "It's a me... Mario!"

  12. Wiizilla? by RomulusNR · · Score: 1

    I'm guessing the answer is no, but, will the Wii be able to download software from places *other* than the Wii Shop Channel (without creative network management)? The Wii could graduate from "casual gamer" market if it allowed homebrew games and -- here's the relevance -- apps such as, say, FF for Wii (and screw this commercial browser nonsense).

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    1. Re:Wiizilla? by person132 · · Score: 1

      No. Nintendo will probably never support homebrew (or open-source software) for the Wii. Besides, this would require documentation of the Wii API, which is probably very closely guarded; who knows if it will even support downloads of anything?

    2. Re:Wiizilla? by Rob+T+Firefly · · Score: 1
      No. Nintendo will probably never support homebrew (or open-source software) for the Wii. Besides, this would require documentation of the Wii API, which is probably very closely guarded; who knows if it will even support downloads of anything?
      How closely guarded can the Wii API possibly be, if they port Opera to it? We know web browsers, and people have been poking around Opera's binaries since day one. I'm no programmer so I may be off base here, but wouldn't having something so basic as a port of a popular web browser running on the thing make the API that much easier to unofficially document?
    3. Re:Wiizilla? by The+MAZZTer · · Score: 1

      The Opera Team developed Opera for the Wii. Just like Retro Studios is developing Metroid Prime 3. Just like Nintendo is developing Zelda. They all are using the official SDKs which they paid $$$ for.

    4. Re:Wiizilla? by CastrTroy · · Score: 1

      I have to wonder why they didn't just port Firefox themselves. It would be much easier, and firefox is much more popular than Opera anyway.

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    5. Re:Wiizilla? by doria13 · · Score: 2, Informative

      http://wii.nintendo.com/iwata_asks_vol3_p2.html

      "Iwata:
      It's even conceivable that we'll take titles that have been popular on the Shopping Channel and further polish them up to be sold as a packaged software with the MSRP accepted in the existing distribution channels. Talking of potential, we may even be able to create an opportunity for amateur developers where they can release games that they have made, although this will be hard to do in the immediate future. The mechanics of the games industry at the moment doesn't allow games to be sold unless they're widely advertised by major publishers to earn greater profit. This seals off gateways into the game industry for new talents."

    6. Re:Wiizilla? by ProppaT · · Score: 1

      Too late. Nintendo's offering developer kits to the public for a price. This is old news. Sounds pretty accepting of homebrew to me.

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    7. Re:Wiizilla? by Yahweh+Doesn't+Exist · · Score: 4, Insightful

      >I have to wonder why they didn't just port Firefox themselves. It would be much easier

      no it wouldn't. Opera have shedloads of experience making browers for low-spec devices with restricted interfaces. Firefox has none at all. Nintendo might as well have started entirely from scratch.

    8. Re:Wiizilla? by Kelson · · Score: 1
      I have to wonder why they didn't just port Firefox themselves.

      Well, Opera had previously ported the browser to the DS -- something made easier by their long experience developing for embedded devices. Presumably Nintendo liked what they got with that partnership, and decided to expand it.

    9. Re:Wiizilla? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Prove it.

    10. Re:Wiizilla? by WilliamSChips · · Score: 1

      What part of "for a price" do you not understand?

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    11. Re:Wiizilla? by Taagehornet · · Score: 1

      Compared with the 360 and the PS3 the Wii might qualify as a "low-spec device", but doesn't it match a four-year-old-run-of-the-mill-office-PC pretty well?

      Hmm, I'm a bit amazed, not only do you get away with calling the Wii a "low-spec device" and the new controller a "restricted interface", you also get modded insightful ;-)

      I wonder though how you're supposed to browse with the new controller, point and click?

    12. Re:Wiizilla? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I could be wrong, but I believe that Opera is much more popular in Japan, probably leaning them towards that decision.

    13. Re:Wiizilla? by Yahweh+Doesn't+Exist · · Score: 2, Informative

      Opera's low-spec experience means they make efficient browsers, not PC-bloatware that use lots of resources just because they can. always a bonus for non-upgradable platforms.

      no keyboard = restricted interface.

    14. Re:Wiizilla? by Taagehornet · · Score: 1

      ...and now you're calling firefox bloated ;-)

      Actually, Opera has never struck me as being particularly slim, quite the opposite in fact. That Opera produces a mobile version of their browser does not necessarily mean that the version they'll provide for the Wii won't be a resource hog; it could very well be that all the different versions share nothing but name and logo. In fact I consider that very likely, to gain portability you will usually have to sacrifice the elegant and effective solution.

      But then again, does it really matter? If your hardware has plenty of resources, then don't waste time trying to minimize the footprint of your application.

      no keyboard = restricted interface

      Agreed, but I found your choise of words amusing, considering all the hype surrounding the 'new' controller.

    15. Re:Wiizilla? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      If you mean in code, I'm extremely certain Firefox is the bloaty buggy slow one.

      If you mean bloat as in only "more features", then I guess you could be right :)

      But then again, does it really matter? If your hardware has plenty of resources, then don't waste time trying to minimize the footprint of your application.

      If you really use multiple windows in tabs, Opera does much better than Firefox. As for the WII, considering that most game consoles are actually budget-y in their specs versus PCs, I'd say that minimizing the footprint is still important.
    16. Re:Wiizilla? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The point is that Opera can make browsers for mobile phones and whatnot, so they can make something slim enough for the Wii. It may be more of a 'resource hog', as you say, but the great thing about developing for a fixed platform is that they're going to know what those resources are and exploit them. You seem reasonable and have a couple of decent points, but your arguments sounds too much like "I don't really think that Opera is better than Firefox, so Opera for Wii will probably suck." Just because the OP bashed FF a little doesn't mean you have to get all defensive.

    17. Re:Wiizilla? by grumbel · · Score: 2, Informative
      Too late. Nintendo's offering developer kits to the public for a price. This is old news. Sounds pretty accepting of homebrew to me.

      The price is $2000 if I remember correctly, cheaper then Sonys official devkit, but still a though price considering that you can get inofficial homebrew and development up and running on Gamecube, NintendoDS and GBA for around $100. Beside, you can't just buy the devkits, you have to be an experienced game developer or have to have a large publisher to back you up to even make it past the entrance door, you can't just go to WarioWorld throw the devkit in your shopping cart and enter a credit card number to get one.

    18. Re:Wiizilla? by Jussi+K.+Kojootti · · Score: 1
      "Easier", huh? Opera is the king in embedded/small form factor devices and porting anything gecko-based to devices like that has proved problematic -- the only platform that Minimo is actually used on is AFAIK Windows Mobile...

      If you have some secret knowledge to support that "easier" part, spit it out.

    19. Re:Wiizilla? by CastrTroy · · Score: 1

      Well, i'm sure if they released some sort of SDK to open source developers they could get the community to do it for free.

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  13. Re:Why wouldn't it be free? by person132 · · Score: 1

    As other users have pointed out, Opera still not free for non-PCs devices, like cell phones (and the DS); that's where the company makes its money.

    The news, as I see it, is neutral; it could have been better (Opera free forever), and it could have been worse (Opera pay from the beginning). I'm not sure it's a good thing for Nintendo, though (assuming that everyone will have to pay net year, even those that have been using it free).

  14. Broadband is an extra $20/mo by tepples · · Score: 1
    If they're getting online through the Wii, it means they have an internet connection to begin with, and 99% of people that have an inet connection have a PC. Not many people will pay $30+/month for internet just for the Wii.

    But many of them will pay $20 per month more for broadband instead of dial-up just for gaming. My mother switched from dial-up to DSL literally three days ago.

    1. Re:Broadband is an extra $20/mo by Deadguy2322 · · Score: 0

      Tepples, If you don't care for your mom's choice of ISP, move the fuck out of her basement!

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    2. Re:Broadband is an extra $20/mo by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Are you sure he lives in his mother's basement?

    3. Re:Broadband is an extra $20/mo by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If you already have broadband, it is free. Not extra. No extra about it. Free.

      I am just glad I can watch TV and surf the Internet easily on an inexpensive (relative to the other contenders) next generation gaming console that also has Metroid titles. Oh, and Mario and Zelda. But Metroid is the real clincher.

      Wii!!

  15. Desktop only by Constantine+XVI · · Score: 1

    For what I know, only the Desktop (Lin/Mac/BSD/Sol/QNX/Win) version of Opera is free. Opera Mobile (for phones) costs 20 dollars, and I'm unsure of the price of Opera DS (imports are $50)

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  16. Which set-top PC do you recommend? by tepples · · Score: 2, Insightful
    just use Opera on your PC.

    Can you recommend an affordable set-top PC?

    1. Re:Which set-top PC do you recommend? by Yahweh+Doesn't+Exist · · Score: 1
    2. Re:Which set-top PC do you recommend? by LanMan04 · · Score: 1

      You beat me to it! Just bought one last week, heh!

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    3. Re:Which set-top PC do you recommend? by chris_eineke · · Score: 2, Funny

      The Wii, maybe?

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    4. Re:Which set-top PC do you recommend? by jZnat · · Score: 1

      A used Xbox?

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    5. Re:Which set-top PC do you recommend? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Shut up, Tepples.

  17. Slashdot Grammar is a Good Today! by Blakey+Rat · · Score: 0, Redundant

    NT

    1. Re:Slashdot Grammar is a Good Today! by NosTROLLdamus · · Score: 0

      Sorry, man. Looks like you got modded "-1 a redundant".

  18. Attach rate by tepples · · Score: 2, Interesting
    The Wii could graduate from "casual gamer" market if it allowed homebrew games and -- here's the relevance -- apps such as, say, FF for Wii (and screw this commercial browser nonsense).

    FF for Wii is planned.

    The problem with a blanket endorsement of homebrew methods is that commercial developers will likely try to pass their games off as homebrew without giving Nintendo a cut. This would kill the attach rate.

  19. is a Free by MrCopilot · · Score: 1

    Opera Broswer for you, is a Free, Sayeth Mario

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  20. Preiiii-orders by BlackIcejane · · Score: 2, Insightful

    In canada you can pre order a Wii at Toys R Us.

    Got the bundel deal (one wii two controlers and 2 games) under 300 and all for a refundable 50$ cdn

    Also put in a pre order for zelda!

    Now all I have to do is waite for Nov!

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    1. Re:Preiiii-orders by NotthatFrankie · · Score: 1

      Holy marketing stunt, batman!

      I think i'm getting my Wii from there. Unles, of course, if by "two controllers", they mean "one wiimote and one nunchuck", and by "two games", they mean "Wii sports not counting bowling, boxing and baseball", then we're not getting a deal of titanic proportions after all. Or I'm overly cynical.

      But still, prii-orders!

    2. Re:Preiiii-orders by Starayo · · Score: 1

      Australia's Toys 'r' Us have been doing the same thing, AUD$50 preorder with a free game on launch.

      Of course, since we get the ass end of just about every game launch on the planet...

      I was just going to grab one from the US cheap and early but if they're not wiigion frii, what's the point?

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    3. Re:Preiiii-orders by KDR_11k · · Score: 1

      Of course, since we get the ass end of just about every game launch on the planet...

      You get it one day before Europe does.

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    4. Re:Preiiii-orders by BlackIcejane · · Score: 1

      When you pre-order you get two wiimotes and two nunchucks. So two full controlers and yes one of the games is Wii sports. I have yet to confirm what they are doing for the other game if you are able to pick any one or if they will have a small selection of the launch titles you can pick from. It's still a good deal!

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  21. Re:Why wouldn't it be free? by Kelson · · Score: 2, Insightful
    Opera is already free. Why should people have to pay extra?

    Because... it's a different program for a different architecture that runs on a different kind of device in a different market?

    The PC and console versions of the same game are generally separate purchases, and not necessarily the same price. Here one of the prices is $0. That doesn't necessarily mean the other price will be $0 as well.

  22. Oh god did the mario in me just die? by Trashhalo · · Score: 0

    Okay so I have been super excited about the Wii. You could call me a Nintendo fanboy. But reading that summary has inspired feelings of dread. Great opera will be free as it should be, but then they are going to charge people to download it via their online shop service thing? Oh no please no pllleeeassseeee no. I have had enough of verizon locking me into their central download service. If you want to know what happens when a company can create artificial scaricity in a market go get a verizon phone and look at the stuff you can get online. Lets see... want to read email on your cell phone? Thats going to charge you 14$/month. Now you think wow thats a lot of money for something so simple... I am sure some other company is selling that for cheaper. But you are wrong! Verizon picks the apps so verizon can control the market by limiting your selection to just one companies shitty over priced email program. There is no such thing as competition here. So reading that Nintendo is going to charge me to download a web browser is not a comforting feeling. What other trivial features that should have come bundled are you going to milk me for? I can't believe I just compared Nintendo to Verizon.

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    1. Re:Oh god did the mario in me just die? by pembo13 · · Score: 1

      Opera costs money on handheld solutions. Not everyone wants Opera. Not everyone should pay for it. Hence...those who want it can pay for it. Speak to the Opera guys if you have a problem with that.

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    2. Re:Oh god did the mario in me just die? by Ilgaz · · Score: 1

      It offered me pure web browsing on a Nokia 7650 which has (in real life) 2 MB of memory, running Symbian series 60 OS.

      They can charge for sure. :)

      Lets not get into fact about it costs like 2 high quality mobile games or something. If this thing ships for usual $30 (not sure), it will cost half of a decent console game and it will offer you Slashdot on your TV ;)

    3. Re:Oh god did the mario in me just die? by ad0gg · · Score: 1

      Wouldn't you blame nintendo for picking opera over say over firefox or konquer? They picked the browser. Its not like wii is underpowered and couldn't support a full browser. 512 megs of ram, powerpc chip. I have feeling nintendo didn't want the eat the development costs of getting a browser onto the wii so they just gave to opera and allowed them to charge after 6 months.

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    4. Re:Oh god did the mario in me just die? by pembo13 · · Score: 1

      I'm pretty sure that is what happened myself. And really, I can't blame them for wanting to eat the dev time, which I suspect to have been more important than the cost at the time.

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    5. Re:Oh god did the mario in me just die? by Trashhalo · · Score: 1

      You missed the point of my post. Considering how barely readable my post was I am suprised you got that much out of it. Its not about opera costing money. As far as I am concerned Opera could cost 200$ to download. Imagine if opera cost 20$ to download for PC, this is a non issue. One day ICANN says that it is now illegal to surf the web with any other browser but opera. Where before Opera had to keep their price down to stay competitive with free browsers now they can charge whatever they want. If you want to surf the web you have to pay opera.

      This is what happens with a central download service. If nintendo gets part of the money going through their service then it is in their best interest to reduce or remove all competition to the various services they offer. Competition drives down prices and thus reduces that amount Nintendo has coming in. You can see this happening with Verizon's software portal. Prices are insane and software is poor quality. But as a cell phone user you do not have a choice because you are locked into the software Verizon deems fit to run on your phone. Ideally Nintendo should make every effort to accept all software developers hand them. Run it through a few predefined tests for quality and stability and put it up. Their bottom line (on the short term) should not prohibit them from offering their customers more choices. Unfortunatly I am sure someone will tell me I am unrealistic to want a coporation to think about its customers instead of its stock holders but I can dream.

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  23. Great it's free, but what does that mean? by DrXym · · Score: 1

    Does that mean that once you download it it is yours forever, or is it yours until it becomes non-free? Does it check each time it starts or what? It's not like the Wii has a massive storage area anyway, so I can see that if helpfully decides to "make room" by deleting your browser that you are screwed.

    1. Re:Great it's free, but what does that mean? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Does that mean that once you download it it is yours forever

      Yes

      It's not like the Wii has a massive storage area anyway, so I can see that if helpfully decides to "make room" by deleting your browser that you are screwed.

      Nintendo has already confirmed you can freely re-download anything you've purchased before

    2. Re:Great it's free, but what does that mean? by DrXym · · Score: 1
      Nintendo has already confirmed you can freely re-download anything you've purchased before

      But you haven't purchased it have you? You got it free on some trial offer, so why be so certain that it won't cost you money when you try to use it after it goes commercial?

  24. NOT EXACTLY. by AlexanderDitto · · Score: 1

    Er... I hate to break it to you, but by FF, I'm pretty sure the GP ment Firefox, not Final Fantasy.

    I know, we're excited that Squeenix is supporting Nintendo, but that's another story.

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    1. Re:NOT EXACTLY. by Firehed · · Score: 1

      Yeah. It's not like the first Final Fantasy games were for the SNES or anything. They didn't even exist prior to the Playstation, the series just started with VII. If only those damned Romans decided to use a W for 5 instead of V, we could have some true irony going on.

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    2. Re:NOT EXACTLY. by jZnat · · Score: 2, Informative

      Sorry, but the abbreviation for Firefox is "Fx" according to the Firefox developers; thanks for playing.

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  25. * Free by lemon_dieter · · Score: 0

    Considering the mount of times the first letter of the lph bet ppe rs in text, this m y m ke re ding sl shdot difficult with the free Oper web browser for the Wii.

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  26. Um, Uh, Kid-Friendly by Linux+Ate+My+Dog! · · Score: 3, Interesting

    So Nintendo is going to bundle The Best Tool Humanity Has Ever made To Access Porn on a family games console, for free? Pretty big risk there, dudes. One day mom comes home and finds out the older kids have set the page to scat pron to gross the children out. Unlesss they lock it down, this will be a PR disaster in the US the first time a wailing mom is on the news saying how she trusted Nintendo to create a kid-safe experience, and then it wasn't.

    1. Re:Um, Uh, Kid-Friendly by NevarMore · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Yes! Video game consoles are there to teach our kids about violence not sex, damn liberals trying to make poor Jack Thompson sue for different things at once.

    2. Re:Um, Uh, Kid-Friendly by crabpeople · · Score: 1

      So um.. If you have the kids and disapprove of their scat porn fetishes, just turn the browser part off. I'm tired of products being crippled because they are also sold to kids. Kids don't even got money. I do. So they should cater to me!!

      Besides, the PR disaster of online porn hasn't sunk the internet or computers yet.

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    3. Re:Um, Uh, Kid-Friendly by Lord_Dweomer · · Score: 1
      You must have downloaded a different version of Opera than I did. My version did not have lots of bookmarks to free pr0n sites or anything else that would make finding it easier than using Google with any other browser.

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    4. Re:Um, Uh, Kid-Friendly by ConfusedSelfHating · · Score: 2, Insightful

      This is a good point for the following reason: people trust Nintendo with their children.

      A PC is a complex thing that most adults don't entirely understand. It has spreadsheets, word processing documents, web browsers, viruses, crashes, identity theft, etc. Now no Slashdotter is pants wetting afraid of these things, but a lot of parents are and so they want to monitor their children closely when they use a computer. There is an expectation that computers are dangerous.

      A Wii is supposed to be a fun thing. One of the reasons that people buy consoles is that you don't have worry about anything ... just shove in the game disk and have fun. This is similar to parents who get a Barney DVD, put it in the DVD player, let their kids watch it and then leave the room. If a parent comes in the room and Barney is getting sodomized by a man in black leather, that parent will be on the national news (with some international coverage) that evening and lawyers will be starting the class action lawsuit within a week. Porn is very easy to access on the Internet. This could end badly for Nintendo.

      If a child is using scissors under parental supervision and they accidentally cut themselves, parents understand that scissors are sharp. This is an expected hazard. If a child is using a laptop with a Sony brand battery and it sets on fire, the parent is going to be very angry. A laptop is not supposed to go up in flames.

    5. Re:Um, Uh, Kid-Friendly by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Your points are good, but any potentially hysterical parent should at least be smart enough to realise "internet=devil" and not let the kids hook their nice safe nintendo up it. My money's still on "paedophile stalked my baby via game machine" tabloid headlines though :(

    6. Re:Um, Uh, Kid-Friendly by EvilIdler · · Score: 1

      >My version did not have lots of bookmarks to free pr0n sites or anything else that would
      >make finding it easier than using Google with any other browser.

      Opera has a bunch of neat shortcuts to go back and forth in galleries, intelligently guessing what
      the next image is, or so I've heard. I don't use it, since all my lesbian fetish porn is downloaded
      in movie form.

    7. Re:Um, Uh, Kid-Friendly by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So? Big deal, it's not like they won't see it eventually anyway. Not to mention that if part of the installation procedure involves connecting it to the internet, that should be a red flag in itself. Sex is a simple biological function preformed by all mammals, why is it so "bad"?

    8. Re:Um, Uh, Kid-Friendly by pimpimpim · · Score: 1

      Thank you for putting this in perspective! Really, what's with the anti-sex obsession out there in the US? Last time I checked, sex was still necessary to create new life, and often a sign of love etc., whereas violence is just always violence. I really wonder when this hypocrisy started...

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    9. Re:Um, Uh, Kid-Friendly by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's not like I couldn't see pr0n with my Dreamcast...

    10. Re:Um, Uh, Kid-Friendly by tehcyder · · Score: 1
      So Nintendo is going to bundle The Best Tool Humanity Has Ever made To Access Porn on a family games console, for free?
      Oh, they're including Agent too?
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    11. Re:Um, Uh, Kid-Friendly by freakboy9 · · Score: 1

      True, however:

      I wonder if the Wii will look for any availible/ad-hoc wireless network so that it can enable some form of internet browsing/multiplayer gaming.

      If this is true, unless Mom puts a tinfoil hat over the wii, it may be able to get and and become a pr0nfest no matter what.
      That, or she has to be smart enough to hack into the built in menu to disable internets browsings or something similar.

      /shrug.

  27. Jeg kan se du er fra Sverige by empaler · · Score: 1

    Nåhja, men hvis jeg alligevel er i færd med at bestille maskine kan jeg lige så godt bestille spil.
     
    Desuden har jeg kigget lidt på priserne, og som regel bliver spil+fragt fra Lik-sang billigere end at gå ned i en lokal forretning for at købe det.
     
    På plussiden er det fremme før det har premiere i Danmark, på minussiden risikerer jeg ofte at spillet kan være på Japansk.
     
    OTOH, there's been differing reports on whether or not there will be a region setting at all. We shall watch... and pray.
     
    (To all non-Scandinavians: Sorry, but it'd have been uninteresting for you anyway if I'd written the first part in English)

    1. Re:Jeg kan se du er fra Sverige by modecx · · Score: 3, Funny

      Nåhja, men hvis jeg alligevel er i færd med at bestille maskine kan jeg lige så godt bestille spil.

      I think so too, but I find scratching just makes it worse.

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    2. Re:Jeg kan se du er fra Sverige by syntaxglitch · · Score: 1

      Ya! Ah, uhh... my hovercraft... is full of eels!

    3. Re:Jeg kan se du er fra Sverige by empaler · · Score: 1

      That's not scandinavian. I believe that it's from a serbic translation book (or some similar, old east-block land)

    4. Re:Jeg kan se du er fra Sverige by syntaxglitch · · Score: 1

      I believe the original sketch involved a Hungarian phrasebook. However, if I've learned anything from reading /. it is "ignore the details, Monty Python is ALWAYS relevant".

    5. Re:Jeg kan se du er fra Sverige by empaler · · Score: 1

      Drop Your Panties, Sir Arthur, I Cannot Wait Till Lunch Time!

  28. Consider by kahrytan · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Has anyone thought to consider that things like this keep Opera in business? And ultimately keeps Microsoft and Mozilla competitive?

    And How would someone browse the internet with the Wii? Sounds like Nintendo plans to release a Wii Keyboard. If not, they screw themselves over with potential additional profit.

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    1. Re:Consider by Ilgaz · · Score: 4, Informative

      Opera is in business for devices for ages. They are the standard company for browsing on devices.

      Their "Opera Mini" which is shockingly only 96kb in most advanced version (MIDP 2.0) is some hit on mobile nobody could have imagined. I really hope one day they offer those download numbers at least the ones from mini.opera.com .

      When we speak about devices, phones,consoles,PDAs: Opera is the king. Just look at this page:
      http://www.opera.com/products/devices/gallery/

      I mean they don't need any kind of favour to stay in business.

      It is Microsoft which is a joke on mobile browsing and thank God, they couldn't even take off on that area.

      I wouldn't be surprised if Sony PS3 Opera ships too.

    2. Re:Consider by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Of course that would be a Wiiboard

    3. Re:Consider by DrXym · · Score: 1
      I wouldn't be surprised if Sony PS3 Opera ships too.

      The PS3 has a built-in browser already. I don't know what it's based off, but the PSP one is based off NetFront. Netfront is a very good browser, but is mostly aimed at embedded devices perhaps it isn't suitable or powerful enough for what is basically a PC. If so perhaps it will be Opera, or even a rebranded firefox browser.

      And if the PS3 does offer Linux has been claimed, then perhaps you can use a real Firefox if you really want to - and the Linux version Opera assuming they rebuilt it for that architecture.

    4. Re:Consider by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Their "Opera Mini" which is shockingly only 96kb

      Why is it shocking that a browser is only 96kb? There are fully functional browsers available for various classic 8-bit computer systems that actually run in less then 64kb.

    5. Re:Consider by Ilgaz · · Score: 1

      If we speak about a device with limited CPU/memory, Opera would be purchased/installed without question.

      In fact even if I buy a Mac mini for my plasma display, I would install Opera 9 OS X on it while I stay away from it on my desktop.

      They really know how to code for limited devices.

      I used netfront on PSP (latest firmware), it lacks one very important feature: Unicode/International display. It could be PSP's fault.

  29. Opera Bowser by ryan89 · · Score: 1

    At first I thought it said Opera Bowser which made me think they had some singing game at the Wii launch.

    1. Re:Opera Bowser by CreateWindowEx · · Score: 1
      At first I thought it said Opera Bowser which made me think they had some singing game at the Wii launch.
      If Nintendo picked opera as the genre for the first Wii singing game, and chose Bowser as the main character, that would be freakin' hilarious.

      I can see it now, Bowser as the statue of il Commendatore, dragging the unrepentant Don Giovanni, played of course by Mario who's had his way with one too many Mushroom retainer, off to hell...

  30. This post is brought to you by the letter W by burndive · · Score: 1
    If only those damned Romans decided to use a W for 5 instead of V, we could have some true irony going on.

    I don't think they had the option.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/W

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    ...because "hacker" sounds way sexier than "code drone."
  31. Download - to where? by mhocker · · Score: 1

    So where does this Opera browser get downloaded to? Flash memory - or do you burn a CD?

    Unless I'm wrong and the Wii has a hard drive, but I don't think it does, right?

    1. Re:Download - to where? by PeelBoy · · Score: 1

      sd card would be my guess unless it will fit in the internal flash memory.

    2. Re:Download - to where? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The Wii has 512MB of internal flash memory. That's plenty of space to download a custom browser to.

    3. Re:Download - to where? by bishiraver · · Score: 1

      Since Opera has much experience in porting their browser to low-powered machines, I'm guessing it will be to internal memory - and since it will likely use the interface library that the Wii's OS uses, it will probably clock in at less than 3mb.

      Keep in mind that they've made a version for the Nintendo DS.

  32. Oooh, wiimote gestures by bartkusa · · Score: 1

    Anyone care to speculate what kinds of wiimote gestures will make pages refresh, go forward/back, etc? This has the potential to be really slick.

    1. Re:Oooh, wiimote gestures by Fengpost · · Score: 1

      Yes, espcially that mouse gesture is supported by Opera already!

      http://www.opera.com/products/desktop/mouse/

      Now, if only I can input alphabet for web address by air writing with the wiimote, that would be killer!

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      The purpose of writing is to inflate weak ideas, obscure poor reasoning, and inhibit clarity....Calvin
  33. But? by TommyBear · · Score: 1

    Don't flame me please, but Nintendo are making a profit on the Wii right? Which is not a bad thing by any means, but surely they could swing a deal with opera to get users free perpetual licenses. My phone comes with opera. I don't pay for that.

    For goodness sake, even the PS3 ships with a built in web browser that is free. Although not sure exactly what that thing is... probably sOnyWEb 1.0 or something like that :)

    1. Re:But? by Terminal+Saint · · Score: 1

      "My phone comes with opera. I don't pay for that."

      Sure you do, it's just hidden in the price of the phone.

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      It's sad when choosing an installation directory on your own qualifies you as an "advanced user."
  34. Mouse Gestures! by schweini · · Score: 1

    Opera's mouse gestures must get a whole new 'feeling' with the wiimote, which must feel very nice.br Speaking of which - i'd love to be connect a wiimote-like device to my PC, and use it e.g. for firefox' mouse gestures. Anybody know of a device like that? can't be taht hard to build, taking into account that really small accelorometers seem to become really affordable nowadays...

  35. Re:heh by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Only if a decapitated Muhammed is on your homepage.

  36. You have but to ask... by bozendoka · · Score: 0
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  37. Free for a year? by Zhila+the+Great+Z · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Well, the last time I heard of a company releasing a software product free for one year was from a very large well known company and a certain popular software development product. They seemed to have changed their minds within a couple months.

    1. Re:Free for a year? by MemoryDragon · · Score: 1

      Ahem... in the Java world most software development products are free. Eclipse, Netbeans, JDeveloper you name it those are just the big three. But there are costs, the companies see those products as byproducts to gain consulting revenue on other related fields, and so far it works for them. Especially IBM which has gained lots of mindshare over their eclipse stuff.

  38. obligatory penny arcade by biovoid · · Score: 1
  39. Luckily, we have os browser... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ... and we can port it to whatever platform we want. There we have Minimo, that only works on WM and it's awfully slow... but we can theorically. The fact we can't do it practically doesn't matter.

    1. Re:Luckily, we have os browser... by wheany · · Score: 2, Funny

      Theoretical browsing is the best kind.

  40. What I want to know... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If this Opera version reaches five million downloads... Will their CEO have to swim to Japan?

    *ducks and runs*

  41. In other words... by KDR_11k · · Score: 1

    It's on probation?

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    Justice is the sheep getting arrested while an impartial judge declares the vote void.
  42. Free forever by MojoBox · · Score: 1

    Matt Cassamassina at IGN likened this to the XBLA "free weekend" of Texas Hold-Em. If you download it during the free period, it's yours forever, you never have to pay for it.

    A little bonus for early adopters?