I can say as an outsider running Panther on a 14" 700 iBook it is indeed faster.
The install is faster, the little windows that slide down when you agree to a EULA are faster, everything is quicker. Even the genie effect is faster. I'm assuming that a lot of the speed can be attributed to optimization of Quartz Extreme, which contrary to the grandparent does indeed run on iBooks. QE doesn't care what processor you're using, all it cares about is 16MB VRAM.
One thing to note is that the default file system is now journaled. I didn't notice any slowdown at all in comparison to Jaguar when copying 3 GB of files from a firewire drive to the main drive. This may be more noticeable on a faster drive than what's in my laptop.
The UI is a lot more polished if you can believe it. Apple has toned down the pinstripes quite a bit. They're hardly noticeable in the menu bar now. The widgets are all sunk in like the latest iTunes. Brushed metal notwithstanding, the UI is a lot more pleasing and out of the way now. Finder works much better in 10.3. It works very similar to Windows Explorer in my opinion, just not as hard to drag stuff to the left as Explorer. By that I mean the target icons on the left are much larger than Explorer which makes it much faster.
Exposé is just awesome. The first time I used it I thought "Jesus, this is how a window manager is supposed to work." It changed the way I worked within five minutes of using it. I use Photoshop for web graphics and it's not uncommon for me to have 15 to 20 windows open in Photoshop alone making rollovers and so on, switching between any one of these windows is effortless.
The fast user switching (thanks Windows!) is neat but not something I would use, although I'm sure it will be popular with families with one computer.
Mail.app is a lot more polished and I really dig the threading.
Preview eats pdfs like nothing I've ever seen. This was one app that had a lot of potential but was seriously slow on my iBook. That has changed with Panther.
Overall I would give Panther a big thumbs up . It is tons faster, and much more polished than Jaguar.
you can use Fink to install a copy of UW-IMAPD, and just run that on localhost or somewhere on your home network -- sudo fink -y install uw-imapd
This is the best solution. IMHO.
IMAP is going to be your best solution seeing as how you've fought CSVs with no luck at all. I've been down that road myself and didn't have any more luck than the OP did. You have complete control over everything by running IMAP on your box.
I went so far as to trim the fat on my mail down to the stuff I absolutely had to keep and exported them as.rtf so I could open them later. I wouldn't do that again if I had to. Keeping your mail as something that Mail.app can read would be a hell of a lot easier and much more convenient.
OS X for me is the best of both worlds: the commercial and open source apps I need to run to put food on the table and beer in the belly.
Just use the stout ass Unix you have and the awesome free/open software at your disposal.
The question isn't "why are people still using Outlook", but rather "why isn't there a real Outlook killer for Windows?"
I suspect there isn't an Outlook killer for Windows because a lot of companies have just given up trying to compete with Microsoft. How can you win against a company that thumbs its nose daily at national governments? That has the installed user base that any company in any industry would kill for?
I work for a small consulting company and I regularly push free software. I push killer apps too, OpenOffice, Evolution, Quanta, apt, and so on. People just don't care it seems, they view ponying up licensing fees to Microsoft as "part of doing business".
I think you can also blame companies like Macromedia and Adobe (mentioned only because I use their stuff pretty regularly). Multimedia stuff needs to be ported to Linux. I have licensed versions of Photoshop and Dreamweaver on my iBook... (and its here gentle reader where I show my coding ignorance) surely to god its a few compile time flags away from being a Linux version.
Sometimes at the end of a long day of fighting Win95-WinXP as I ride home I wonder how did we get in this position? Where did we go wrong?
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I just wish that somebody would just buy SCO's collective asses and shut them the hell up
Why don't we(slashdot readers) kick in and pull a blender on SCO? Damn, that would be great, if everybody that reads slashdot could kick in as much as they could, 10, 100, 1000 bucks, whatever, we could buy SCO.
Once we buy them we release all code into the public domain, not even GPL, I'm talking Jingle Bells type licensing here. Then we dissolve the company, just let 'er go.
Disclaimer: I have no idea how the business world works.
I have set up countless email servers, firewalls, spam catching relays, web servers and dns servers. Some clients want Red Hat, others are more up on the game and have heard of Debian or Slackware, others could care less. That's beside the point... It's open freaking source, hack it to your needs/liking.
You wanna know how much I had to pay for the operating system or individual packages of said software? Nada, that's right, zero, zilch, zip.
It baffles the mind how something that works so well can be free.
That means alot to a small time contractor like myself.
I may not have the money or the coding know-how to give back to the community but you can bet your custom kernel that when somebody has a question on Usenet or a web forum about Linux or a particular package that I happen to know about that I help that person like I was being paid to.
That's the beauty of 99% of the people in this community... I can even say "I have a client who needs X how do I implement this?", and more often than not someone will help me out with the answer or at least point me to the docs that will answer my question. Even knowing good and damn well I'm getting paid to find the answer to that question.
This is a good thing we have here folks, I would imagine that I've taken far more than I've given back but every chance I get I do give back and I like to think that most users of this crazy thing called Free Software do too. So far that theory has proven itself true. Just a little soapboxing on my part here, sorry for the rambling.
If you've never been to a third-world country and you have
a chance to go, please go.
I recently (fall 2002) went to Nicaragua to do research for a website for a Nicaraguan mission group. In reality I somewhat disagree with what they're doing, my friend and I joked that it was the Inquisition all over again. Anyway...
The first thing you notice upon landing in Managua is how unbelievably poor everybody is. Sure there were a few people in suits but most people were wearing T-shirts that had obviously come from the U.S. (high school reunion shirts, prom night shirts from high schools in Virginia).
We stayed in Leon and the people there had no concept of a computer, they damn sure knew what a camera was though! It's completely unbelievable to someone from the States to see how they live. But they don't know any different, so they're happy, or at least content.
Some of the kids had never seen television so when we taped them on DV and played it back for them on the spot they went apeshit. Most of the people in the outskirts of Leon just steal electricity by throwing wires across the main lines. We saw a dog that had been in the way of one of these wires and it was burned clean in half. The poles that hold the wires up are usually just sticks or the wires are stapled into a tree. Unbelievable.
A country like Nicaragua needs more infrastructure before a truckload of computers would do them any good. Good luck getting that truckload of computers through customs anyway. The mission group we're doing the website for had the damndest time getting a container of clothes and miscellaneous goods through customs.
The best part of the trip was riding around the streets of Managua with our driver California... that kid could outdrive Colin McRae, I shit you not. We'd be doing 120KM/hr through the busiest street I've ever seen anywhere and he's hanging out the window singing Nelly (andale andale uh-oh... you know the song) Christ that was funny.
I should probably tell my side of the trip on my own site but I guess the mission site will have to do, due to my laziness.
Our small consulting company ran into the same problem.
What we did was set up 2 qmail servers (on commodity hardware running latest debian stable, qmail, vpopmail, spamassassin, qmail-scanner, etc.) with the following MX records: A - qmail server #1 - no accounts at all on this server, all it does is relay mail to the other qmail server B - qmail server #2 - this is here mainly for redundancy, this box gets the email from server #1 and pushes it to the server i love to hate MS Exchange Server - this has no MX record at all, i'm too chicken chit to put this box straight on a live wire, but the client needed it for all the exchangey things it does:)
Of course insert your MTA of choice and yeah, we do use Vipul's Razor for RBL checking.
We've yet to have a customer bitch that they haven't received an important email that they were expecting and our non-tagged spam has been trimmed by half at least.
Outstanding Timothy.
You just devalued my ebay auction of my Zaurus 5500.
Now I'll be stuck with it forever or somehow explain to my wife how the damn thing lost oh around $200 of value overnight.:) "You're selling it for how much???" Hmmm, guess I'll be dropping my reserve next time around.
Yes, it does run on VMware.
Haven't run it on Virtual PC as I don't have that.
Only thing I ran into was that if you're going to run X is that it has no clue what video card VMware is using. No surprise there really. Did what I needed in 256 colors though.
Word to the wise; if you install it, skip the install disc and use disc 1.
That will save you a poop-ton of questions on the forums and usenet.
Whenever I've seen an app, I pick it up instantly.
Apparently my friend you've never opened up 3D Studio Max or Maya. God help you if you fire up Lightwave. I don't care how many kids fire back and say that they've done Shrek-like animations in 10 minutes after using Maya for an hour. Riiight.
My roomate and I split the cost on a Saturn and a couple games. It sucked friends, it sucked. Years later when I was in a used video game store, I saw some Saturn games and remarked that I had one and it was a turdball. The guy behind the counter was appalled! You would have thought I called the guy's mom a bitch. Anyways, we had a long discussion about the Saturn and his take was that:
1. Poor marketing
2. Cast-iron son of a bitch to code for
were the two things that brought down the Saturn.
Still doesn't give me and my roomate back all the Ramen Noodle meals we missed by buying that turd.
Slackware users should check out Dropline Gnome. The maintainer Todd Kulesza has done an awesome job with it. It is installed as easily as any other Slackware package. Updates are easy as cheese too. Highly recommended for Slackers.
I dunno, I see celebrating Christmas as an atheist kind of like celebrating Hitler's birthday as a Jew
A detail I think you're overlooking here is that Hitler tried to stamp out Jews. Jesus didn't try to get rid of atheists so much as try to convert them. I'm agnostic so I pick and choose my holidays.:)
Apparently you haven't watched Call for Help lately. "No, Bobby from Missouri, you cannot use the mouse as a microphone... Yes I realize you have a new Dell and Windows XP Home Edition... Yes it is a lovely shade of Blue. Yep, just like a 1997 Geocities site." "Next on Call for Help Kat's going to show you how to change your screen resolution under XP!!! Stick around geeks." What a moronic show.
I'm not so sure this is aimed at Mac users so much as developers. Antecdotal evidence suggests that Mac users have no problem migrating to OS X. It's companies like Quark and alot of the printer and scanner manufacturers that are dragging their feet in supporting OS X. It seems like its a way for Apple to say, 'Look, no one is going to be using OS 9 on any of our new machines, so if you want people to continue to purchase your products then you need to develop programs and drivers for OS X'. Seems reasonable enough to me.
Seems to me you need to read the newsgroup rec.travel.air
(snip)
there have been scores of postings relating to people getting arrested or extremely hassled for questioning some securinazi
yep, the newsgroups are where I go to get my news on the state of affairs. that and pictures of folks dropping Cleveland Steamers on other folks' chests. Double Raunchy!!
Slashdot Mirror
I can say as an outsider running Panther on a 14" 700 iBook it is indeed faster.
The install is faster, the little windows that slide down when you agree to a EULA are faster, everything is quicker. Even the genie effect is faster. I'm assuming that a lot of the speed can be attributed to optimization of Quartz Extreme, which contrary to the grandparent does indeed run on iBooks. QE doesn't care what processor you're using, all it cares about is 16MB VRAM.
One thing to note is that the default file system is now journaled. I didn't notice any slowdown at all in comparison to Jaguar when copying 3 GB of files from a firewire drive to the main drive. This may be more noticeable on a faster drive than what's in my laptop.
The UI is a lot more polished if you can believe it. Apple has toned down the pinstripes quite a bit. They're hardly noticeable in the menu bar now. The widgets are all sunk in like the latest iTunes. Brushed metal notwithstanding, the UI is a lot more pleasing and out of the way now. Finder works much better in 10.3. It works very similar to Windows Explorer in my opinion, just not as hard to drag stuff to the left as Explorer. By that I mean the target icons on the left are much larger than Explorer which makes it much faster.
Exposé is just awesome. The first time I used it I thought "Jesus, this is how a window manager is supposed to work." It changed the way I worked within five minutes of using it. I use Photoshop for web graphics and it's not uncommon for me to have 15 to 20 windows open in Photoshop alone making rollovers and so on, switching between any one of these windows is effortless.
The fast user switching (thanks Windows!) is neat but not something I would use, although I'm sure it will be popular with families with one computer.
Mail.app is a lot more polished and I really dig the threading.
Preview eats pdfs like nothing I've ever seen. This was one app that had a lot of potential but was seriously slow on my iBook. That has changed with Panther.
Overall I would give Panther a big thumbs up . It is tons faster, and much more polished than Jaguar.
you can use Fink to install a copy of UW-IMAPD, and just run that on localhost or somewhere on your home network -- sudo fink -y install uw-imapd
.rtf so I could open them later. I wouldn't do that again if I had to.
This is the best solution. IMHO.
IMAP is going to be your best solution seeing as how you've fought CSVs with no luck at all. I've been down that road myself and didn't have any more luck than the OP did.
You have complete control over everything by running IMAP on your box.
I went so far as to trim the fat on my mail down to the stuff I absolutely had to keep and exported them as
Keeping your mail as something that Mail.app can read would be a hell of a lot easier and much more convenient.
OS X for me is the best of both worlds: the commercial and open source apps I need to run to put food on the table and beer in the belly.
Just use the stout ass Unix you have and the awesome free/open software at your disposal.
Tough combo to beat.
Ahh, very well then. :)
I told you I was ignorant of coding
The question isn't "why are people still using Outlook", but rather "why isn't there a real Outlook killer for Windows?"
I suspect there isn't an Outlook killer for Windows because a lot of companies have just given up trying to compete with Microsoft. How can you win against a company that thumbs its nose daily at national governments? That has the installed user base that any company in any industry would kill for?
I work for a small consulting company and I regularly push free software. I push killer apps too, OpenOffice, Evolution, Quanta, apt, and so on. People just don't care it seems, they view ponying up licensing fees to Microsoft as "part of doing business".
I think you can also blame companies like Macromedia and Adobe (mentioned only because I use their stuff pretty regularly). Multimedia stuff needs to be ported to Linux. I have licensed versions of Photoshop and Dreamweaver on my iBook... (and its here gentle reader where I show my coding ignorance) surely to god its a few compile time flags away from being a Linux version.
Sometimes at the end of a long day of fighting Win95-WinXP as I ride home I wonder how did we get in this position? Where did we go wrong?
I just wish that somebody would just buy SCO's collective asses and shut them the hell up
Why don't we(slashdot readers) kick in and pull a blender on SCO? Damn, that would be great, if everybody that reads slashdot could kick in as much as they could, 10, 100, 1000 bucks, whatever, we could buy SCO.
Once we buy them we release all code into the public domain, not even GPL, I'm talking Jingle Bells type licensing here. Then we dissolve the company, just let 'er go.
Disclaimer: I have no idea how the business world works.
Free software never ceases to amaze me.
I have set up countless email servers, firewalls, spam catching relays, web servers and dns servers. Some clients want Red Hat, others are more up on the game and have heard of Debian or Slackware, others could care less. That's beside the point... It's open freaking source, hack it to your needs/liking.
You wanna know how much I had to pay for the operating system or individual packages of said software? Nada, that's right, zero, zilch, zip.
It baffles the mind how something that works so well can be free.
That means alot to a small time contractor like myself.
I may not have the money or the coding know-how to give back to the community but you can bet your custom kernel that when somebody has a question on Usenet or a web forum about Linux or a particular package that I happen to know about that I help that person like I was being paid to.
That's the beauty of 99% of the people in this community... I can even say "I have a client who needs X how do I implement this?", and more often than not someone will help me out with the answer or at least point me to the docs that will answer my question. Even knowing good and damn well I'm getting paid to find the answer to that question.
This is a good thing we have here folks, I would imagine that I've taken far more than I've given back but every chance I get I do give back and I like to think that most users of this crazy thing called Free Software do too. So far that theory has proven itself true. Just a little soapboxing on my part here, sorry for the rambling.
If you've never been to a third-world country and you have a chance to go, please go.
I recently (fall 2002) went to Nicaragua to do research for a website for a Nicaraguan mission group. In reality I somewhat disagree with what they're doing, my friend and I joked that it was the Inquisition all over again. Anyway...
The first thing you notice upon landing in Managua is how unbelievably poor everybody is. Sure there were a few people in suits but most people were wearing T-shirts that had obviously come from the U.S. (high school reunion shirts, prom night shirts from high schools in Virginia).
We stayed in Leon and the people there had no concept of a computer, they damn sure knew what a camera was though! It's completely unbelievable to someone from the States to see how they live. But they don't know any different, so they're happy, or at least content.
Some of the kids had never seen television so when we taped them on DV and played it back for them on the spot they went apeshit. Most of the people in the outskirts of Leon just steal electricity by throwing wires across the main lines. We saw a dog that had been in the way of one of these wires and it was burned clean in half. The poles that hold the wires up are usually just sticks or the wires are stapled into a tree. Unbelievable.
A country like Nicaragua needs more infrastructure before a truckload of computers would do them any good. Good luck getting that truckload of computers through customs anyway. The mission group we're doing the website for had the damndest time getting a container of clothes and miscellaneous goods through customs.
The best part of the trip was riding around the streets of Managua with our driver California... that kid could outdrive Colin McRae, I shit you not. We'd be doing 120KM/hr through the busiest street I've ever seen anywhere and he's hanging out the window singing Nelly (andale andale uh-oh... you know the song) Christ that was funny.
I should probably tell my side of the trip on my own site but I guess the mission site will have to do, due to my laziness.
Our small consulting company ran into the same problem.
:)
What we did was set up 2 qmail servers (on commodity hardware running latest debian stable, qmail, vpopmail, spamassassin, qmail-scanner, etc.) with the following MX records:
A - qmail server #1 - no accounts at all on this server, all it does is relay mail to the other qmail server
B - qmail server #2 - this is here mainly for redundancy, this box gets the email from server #1 and pushes it to the server i love to hate
MS Exchange Server - this has no MX record at all, i'm too chicken chit to put this box straight on a live wire, but the client needed it for all the exchangey things it does
Of course insert your MTA of choice and yeah, we do use Vipul's Razor for RBL checking.
We've yet to have a customer bitch that they haven't received an important email that they were expecting and our non-tagged spam has been trimmed by half at least.
Outstanding Timothy.
You just devalued my ebay auction of my Zaurus 5500.
Now I'll be stuck with it forever or somehow explain to my wife how the damn thing lost oh around $200 of value overnight.:)
"You're selling it for how much???"
Hmmm, guess I'll be dropping my reserve next time around.
Add me to your list too!
Bravo, old chap.
That did the trick.
I'd mod you up if I had the points.
Yes, it does run on VMware.
Haven't run it on Virtual PC as I don't have that.
Only thing I ran into was that if you're going to run X is that it has no clue what video card VMware is using. No surprise there really. Did what I needed in 256 colors though.
Word to the wise; if you install it, skip the install disc and use disc 1.
That will save you a poop-ton of questions on the forums and usenet.
Whenever I've seen an app, I pick it up instantly. Apparently my friend you've never opened up 3D Studio Max or Maya. God help you if you fire up Lightwave. I don't care how many kids fire back and say that they've done Shrek-like animations in 10 minutes after using Maya for an hour. Riiight.
Hey, I was a poor college student that did that!
My roomate and I split the cost on a Saturn and a couple games. It sucked friends, it sucked.
Years later when I was in a used video game store, I saw some Saturn games and remarked that I had one and it was a turdball. The guy behind the counter was appalled! You would have thought I called the guy's mom a bitch. Anyways, we had a long discussion about the Saturn and his take was that:
1. Poor marketing
2. Cast-iron son of a bitch to code for
were the two things that brought down the Saturn.
Still doesn't give me and my roomate back all the Ramen Noodle meals we missed by buying that turd.
Slackware users should check out Dropline Gnome.
The maintainer Todd Kulesza has done an awesome job with it. It is installed as easily as any other Slackware package.
Updates are easy as cheese too.
Highly recommended for Slackers.
I dunno, I see celebrating Christmas as an atheist kind of like celebrating Hitler's birthday as a Jew :)
A detail I think you're overlooking here is that Hitler tried to stamp out Jews. Jesus didn't try to get rid of atheists so much as try to convert them. I'm agnostic so I pick and choose my holidays.
>On a related topic, wouldn't an EA theme park be cool?
Short answer: no
hahahaha
holy shit
wish i hadn't pissed all my mod points away.
i swear to god i actually laughed out loud at that.
http://www.cocoaserver.com/virtualdesktops.html
:)
try this one
open source too if'n you're paranoid
Linus wept.
linuxdoc.org
Chapter 11
Verse 35
What does that prove? There isn't anything you can do with a 'stock' desktop mac out of the box that you couldn't do on a cheaper pc.
I'd say running OS X is one thing, off the top of my head.
And no, I don't count x86 Darwin, and neither should you.
Apparently you haven't watched Call for Help lately.
"No, Bobby from Missouri, you cannot use the mouse as a microphone... Yes I realize you have a new Dell and Windows XP Home Edition... Yes it is a lovely shade of Blue. Yep, just like a 1997 Geocities site."
"Next on Call for Help Kat's going to show you how to change your screen resolution under XP!!!
Stick around geeks."
What a moronic show.
I'm not so sure this is aimed at Mac users so much as developers. Antecdotal evidence suggests that Mac users have no problem migrating to OS X. It's companies like Quark and alot of the printer and scanner manufacturers that are dragging their feet in supporting OS X. It seems like its a way for Apple to say, 'Look, no one is going to be using OS 9 on any of our new machines, so if you want people to continue to purchase your products then you need to develop programs and drivers for OS X'. Seems reasonable enough to me.
That should look sweet indeed on my 65" widescreen
and you'll still get the shit kicked out of you by some kid with a 15" monitor using a keyboard and mouse
(snip)
there have been scores of postings relating to people getting arrested or extremely hassled for questioning some securinazi
yep, the newsgroups are where I go to get my news on the state of affairs. that and pictures of folks dropping Cleveland Steamers on other folks' chests. Double Raunchy!!