I have to agree. I find that I hit the wrong button about a third of the time when I'm using gnomish apps. Maybe there is some theoretical reason that [cancel][OK] is better than [OK][cancel] but I (and many others) are used to the latter. I have to go back and forth between Windows and Gnome and it would be nice if something as basic as the button order were the same. I basically agree with everthing that this guy says but am not sure how practical maintaining a set of external patches to Gnomes is going to be.
Even in the age of Fox there are still some concepts of journalistic independence and ethics in existance. Slate is not in the business of publishing MS press releases, it's a news and commentary magazine and would lose a lot of credibility (and writers) if it was thought to be nothing but a company shill. I, not a big fan of MS, have read slate regularly since it started partially due to the corporation's hands-off policy toward the editorial content. If I thought that MS was suppressing non-flattering content, I'd have a hard time taking it seriously.
I think one of IE's initial strengths was that it included built-in help specifically for helping users of the then-dominant Netscape switch to IE. Mozilla needs a similar guide to help IE users if it wants to become more mainstream.
You mean like the "Help->For Internet Explorer Users" built-in help page that's in FireFox?
That may be true in New York or Hollywood but here in Pittsbugh, it's usually just normal folks who have some free time. There are usually a couple of movies filmed here every year and I've know a few friends who aren't actors and were extras just for a small stipend and the chance to be seen in a movie.
The moment most users using Windows can setup their own printer, remove spyware, or reconfigure their network settings in Windows without having to call upon the tech person they know, then you have a valid point.
Heck, I am a tech person and I can't get Windows settings to work half the time. It took me an hour to get the linksys wireless drivers to install on my wife's XP machine last week. And my son's 2000 box refuses to let me configure any printer, and gives me some useless error when I try. Any maybe someone can tell me why I have to reboot my 2000 laptop half the time when I move to a different network or it won't pick up the DNS servers from DHCP?
Sure linux has some quirks and rough spots but commenters are being disingenuous if they try to say that Windows doesn't too.
2 - I can save some text in OpenOffice as.DOC and be certain it'll show up in Word as good as I made it.
I'm not sure when the last time you tried OO but I've been using it for the last year in school to create and review and edit documents in Word format and never had a problem. Most of my work has been in group projects where we all have to contribute sections of the document and all proof each other's work and even though everyone else is using Word and I'm using OO, we've never had a problem. They don't even know that I'm not using Word. I can also say the same about OO and Excel files. The only part of OO that I've seen any major incompatabilities with MS-Office is with PowerPoint files and that's getting better but still lags the other two.
I can't get Yahoo! Mssenger to log me in today either. I'm using the brand new 6.0 client and it just hangs there telling me that it's connecting to Yahoo! but never does.
1) Congress can override SCOTUS decisions. It takes a Constitutional amendment to do so (making the law constitutional by changing the Constitution to suit), and so it is very difficult, but it can be done.
Not exactly, after passing the amendment by 2/3 majority, they send it to the states and 2/3 of them have to ratify it.
I believe its more of an explanation of why people don't like it. Not why they are wrong in their opinions.
I'm sorry, but I think that I know why I don't like it. And when you don't like something, you find it very annoying for someone to try to tell why they think you don't like it and that you're wrong for not liking it. Just make it an option. Why is that so hard? And no the registry does not count as an option. Does it upset the Gnome developers so much that some percentage of the users might not want to use Gnome exactly like they think we should?
I think that your mention of the Monkeys is relevant as hell. They were the model for most bands now. The pre-fab four were totally created and packaged and sold as a product. They were all picked by the executives for their looks and no one cared if they could play their instrements or not.
I think that what is different now is that the members of the Monkeys ended up hating what they had become and rebelled against their handlers. In contrast, most of the current popular acts seem totally comfortable and even proud of being purely consumer products. Do you think that Britany worries that she's sold out her artistic values? I doubt it. She seems perfectly happy.
On the other hand, I'd rather listen to any of the pop songs that the Monkeys put out than any of the bombastic nonsense that ELP, Rush or Yes ever did.
>Not trolling: Go install Fedora and see how it runs on a three year old machine.
I don't know about Fedora but, I'm running Redhat 9 with KDE and Mozilla and OpenOffice 1.1 on a four year old PIII-450 at work and it runs just fine. I keep six virtual desktops with many, many applications running at the same time, including: Mozilla, OpenOffice, Lotus Notes/Wine, VNC viewers, Emacs, Sametime, XMMS, assorted utilities and many, many xterms. And it runs just fine, as fast as you would want it to. In contrast, the Win2K box that sits next to it, which has twice the Processor, is much slower running one quarter the number of applications. And I have to reboot the Windows box every week when I install that week's security patch, the RH9 box stays up for months and months.
>The 800mhz to 1.x ghz range just isn't enough for anyone, anymore.
My home desktop is a 600Mhz, my work desktop is a 450Mhz and my laptop is 233Mhz laptop from 1997! They all work just fine, I don't play too many games so what would I need more horsepower for? I run Gentoo on the 600 and the only time I have feel that I need more speed is when building KDE which takes about 16 hours. And the office desktop has zero reason to be replaced, heck it's a PIII and many of my co-workers still have PIIs.
If you use the little pre-loader tray app for OpenOffice it loads in under a second on my 800Mz machine. And before you say, "Well that's cheating", how do you think that MS-Office loads so fast? MS has been pulling the pre-loading trick for a while with both Office and Explorer. And as for crashing, I've had OO crash a and I've had MS-Office crash, do you have any data that proves that one is more stable than the other?
You know I had planned on experimenting with their home automation stuff a few years ago but after being attacked by their ads I wouldn't give them a penny of my money. It seems to me that they had a decent small biz selling the controllers but got too greedy and now may have blown the whole business. Do they teach classes in how to alienate your customers in business school now? It seems to be becoming the standard strategy.
At least one of the tiles on Smithfield Street in Pittsburgh it still there. I saw it this summer. Considering the state of the City's budget, it will be there for years to come before they can afford to re-pave.
> I can think of MANY tasks you can't do well with a > 450mhz cpu OK, what are they? And don't say games, I'm talking about professional uses for a desktop. For normal day-to-use, I still don't seen any compelling reason for upgrading. Even Lotus Notes running under WINE works fine.
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I'm running a PIII-450 here at work running RH9 and can't think of a single task that would need faster processor. At home as a Gentoo user I could use some more power to compile the seemingly weekly KDE updates but at work my three year-old desktop works just fine. Why would I need a 3GHz processor just to run windowmaker, mozilla, vim, vncviewer and xmms?
Has anyone ever noticed how the default windows accessories almost never get updated? Why can't they spend a couple of programmer-weeks to update paint or notepad or the calculator? They have been the same since 95 and if I remember correctly 3.1. I know that these are trivial little tools and much better 3rd party replacements exist but would it kill them to support png's with paint?
That driver argument is starting to really annoy me. I've almost never installed any version of MS-Windows where I didn't have to install separate drivers from the manufacturers website: Video drivers, sound drivers, motherboard drivers, AGP drivers, network drivers, printer drivers, scsi drivers etc. On the other hand, I've seldom had to download anything for Redhat, all the drivers I've needed are included in the distribution. And considering that my fiance just had to buy a brand new scanner to replace her three year-old one because the manufacturer said that they were not going to support Windows XP, I'm just now sure how you can say that XP supports more hardware than Linux.
It seems to me that MS should be worried by these figures. They have a whole load of different products but only Windows and Office actually make them any money? We're not talking just Xbox here, this is MSNBC, MSN, PocketPC, VisualStudio, Consulting, etc. They've busted there butts trying to diversify for the last ten years and have come up with zero to show for it. Whether they are a monopoly or not is not the point. The point is that they have a huge sled and only two dogs are pulling it. If something should happen to Windows and Office, say Linux and OpenOffice, they would have nothing left to fall back on. Yea, they have a ton of money in the bank to keep them going for a few years but they'll have to work hard at finding something else to do for a living.
Yea, I keep wanting to like KDE (and Gnome) and always try out the newest versions, but somehow I always seem to end up back with Window Maker. It's fast, clean, stays out of my way, does what I need. I'm not knocking KDE, it's an impresive piece of work, but that's the great thing about Linux (or BSD) isn't it? You get to use what you want and not what Bill or Steve think you should use.
The first rock concert I ever went to was the Who at Madison Square Garden in 1979. It's still just about the best concert I've been too. I was deaf for two days and grinning for a week after. I still have the ticket and do you know what the price was? $9.50! And they were good seats!
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I have to agree. I find that I hit the wrong button about a third of the time when I'm using gnomish apps. Maybe there is some theoretical reason that [cancel][OK] is better than [OK][cancel] but I (and many others) are used to the latter. I have to go back and forth between Windows and Gnome and it would be nice if something as basic as the button order were the same. I basically agree with everthing that this guy says but am not sure how practical maintaining a set of external patches to Gnomes is going to be.
Even in the age of Fox there are still some concepts of journalistic independence and ethics in existance. Slate is not in the business of publishing MS press releases, it's a news and commentary magazine and would lose a lot of credibility (and writers) if it was thought to be nothing but a company shill. I, not a big fan of MS, have read slate regularly since it started partially due to the corporation's hands-off policy toward the editorial content. If I thought that MS was suppressing non-flattering content, I'd have a hard time taking it seriously.
That may be true in New York or Hollywood but here in Pittsbugh, it's usually just normal folks who have some free time. There are usually a couple of movies filmed here every year and I've know a few friends who aren't actors and were extras just for a small stipend and the chance to be seen in a movie.
Heck, I am a tech person and I can't get Windows settings to work half the time. It took me an hour to get the linksys wireless drivers to install on my wife's XP machine last week. And my son's 2000 box refuses to let me configure any printer, and gives me some useless error when I try. Any maybe someone can tell me why I have to reboot my 2000 laptop half the time when I move to a different network or it won't pick up the DNS servers from DHCP?
Sure linux has some quirks and rough spots but commenters are being disingenuous if they try to say that Windows doesn't too.
I'm not sure when the last time you tried OO but I've been using it for the last year in school to create and review and edit documents in Word format and never had a problem. Most of my work has been in group projects where we all have to contribute sections of the document and all proof each other's work and even though everyone else is using Word and I'm using OO, we've never had a problem. They don't even know that I'm not using Word. I can also say the same about OO and Excel files. The only part of OO that I've seen any major incompatabilities with MS-Office is with PowerPoint files and that's getting better but still lags the other two.
I can't get Yahoo! Mssenger to log me in today either. I'm using the brand new 6.0 client and it just hangs there telling me that it's connecting to Yahoo! but never does.
Not exactly, after passing the amendment by 2/3 majority, they send it to the states and 2/3 of them have to ratify it.
I believe its more of an explanation of why people don't like it. Not why they are wrong in their opinions.
I'm sorry, but I think that I know why I don't like it. And when you don't like something, you find it very annoying for someone to try to tell why they think you don't like it and that you're wrong for not liking it. Just make it an option. Why is that so hard? And no the registry does not count as an option. Does it upset the Gnome developers so much that some percentage of the users might not want to use Gnome exactly like they think we should?
I think that your mention of the Monkeys is relevant as hell. They were the model for most bands now. The pre-fab four were totally created and packaged and sold as a product. They were all picked by the executives for their looks and no one cared if they could play their instrements or not.
I think that what is different now is that the members of the Monkeys ended up hating what they had become and rebelled against their handlers. In contrast, most of the current popular acts seem totally comfortable and even proud of being purely consumer products. Do you think that Britany worries that she's sold out her artistic values? I doubt it. She seems perfectly happy.
On the other hand, I'd rather listen to any of the pop songs that the Monkeys put out than any of the bombastic nonsense that ELP, Rush or Yes ever did.
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>Not trolling: Go install Fedora and see how it runs on a three year old machine.
I don't know about Fedora but, I'm running Redhat 9 with KDE and Mozilla and OpenOffice 1.1 on a four year old PIII-450 at work and it runs just fine. I keep six virtual desktops with many, many applications running at the same time, including: Mozilla, OpenOffice, Lotus Notes/Wine, VNC viewers, Emacs, Sametime, XMMS, assorted utilities and many, many xterms. And it runs just fine, as fast as you would want it to. In contrast, the Win2K box that sits next to it, which has twice the Processor, is much slower running one quarter the number of applications. And I have to reboot the Windows box every week when I install that week's security patch, the RH9 box stays up for months and months.
>The 800mhz to 1.x ghz range just isn't enough for anyone, anymore.
My home desktop is a 600Mhz, my work desktop is a 450Mhz and my laptop is 233Mhz laptop from 1997! They all work just fine, I don't play too many games so what would I need more horsepower for? I run Gentoo on the 600 and the only time I have feel that I need more speed is when building KDE which takes about 16 hours. And the office desktop has zero reason to be replaced, heck it's a PIII and many of my co-workers still have PIIs.
If you use the little pre-loader tray app for OpenOffice it loads in under a second on my 800Mz machine. And before you say, "Well that's cheating", how do you think that MS-Office loads so fast? MS has been pulling the pre-loading trick for a while with both Office and Explorer.
And as for crashing, I've had OO crash a and I've had MS-Office crash, do you have any data that proves that one is more stable than the other?
You know I had planned on experimenting with their home automation stuff a few years ago but after being attacked by their ads I wouldn't give them a penny of my money. It seems to me that they had a decent small biz selling the controllers but got too greedy and now may have blown the whole business. Do they teach classes in how to alienate your customers in business school now? It seems to be becoming the standard strategy.
At least one of the tiles on Smithfield Street in Pittsburgh it still there. I saw it this summer. Considering the state of the City's budget, it will be there for years to come before they can afford to re-pave.
What's wrong with xpdf or Acrobat Reader for Linux?
> I can think of MANY tasks you can't do well with a > 450mhz cpu
OK, what are they? And don't say games, I'm talking about professional uses for a desktop. For normal day-to-use, I still don't seen any compelling reason for upgrading. Even Lotus Notes running under WINE works fine.
I'm running a PIII-450 here at work running RH9 and can't think of a single task that would need faster processor. At home as a Gentoo user I could use some more power to compile the seemingly weekly KDE updates but at work my three year-old desktop works just fine. Why would I need a 3GHz processor just to run windowmaker, mozilla, vim, vncviewer and xmms?
Has anyone ever noticed how the default windows accessories almost never get updated? Why can't they spend a couple of programmer-weeks to update paint or notepad or the calculator? They have been the same since 95 and if I remember correctly 3.1. I know that these are trivial little tools and much better 3rd party replacements exist but would it kill them to support png's with paint?
That driver argument is starting to really annoy me. I've almost never installed any version of MS-Windows where I didn't have to install separate drivers from the manufacturers website: Video drivers, sound drivers, motherboard drivers, AGP drivers, network drivers, printer drivers, scsi drivers etc. On the other hand, I've seldom had to download anything for Redhat, all the drivers I've needed are included in the distribution. And considering that my fiance just had to buy a brand new scanner to replace her three year-old one because the manufacturer said that they were not going to support Windows XP, I'm just now sure how you can say that XP supports more hardware than Linux.
It seems to me that MS should be worried by these figures. They have a whole load of different products but only Windows and Office actually make them any money? We're not talking just Xbox here, this is MSNBC, MSN, PocketPC, VisualStudio, Consulting, etc. They've busted there butts trying to diversify for the last ten years and have come up with zero to show for it. Whether they are a monopoly or not is not the point. The point is that they have a huge sled and only two dogs are pulling it. If something should happen to Windows and Office, say Linux and OpenOffice, they would have nothing left to fall back on. Yea, they have a ton of money in the bank to keep them going for a few years but they'll have to work hard at finding something else to do for a living.
Yea, I keep wanting to like KDE (and Gnome) and always try out the newest versions, but somehow I always seem to end up back with Window Maker. It's fast, clean, stays out of my way, does what I need. I'm not knocking KDE, it's an impresive piece of work, but that's the great thing about Linux (or BSD) isn't it? You get to use what you want and not what Bill or Steve think you should use.
You're paraphrasing Richard Feyman:
Physics is like sex: sure, it may give some practical results, but that's
not why we do it. --Richard Feynman.
The first rock concert I ever went to was the Who at Madison Square Garden in 1979. It's still just about the best concert I've been too. I was deaf for two days and grinning for a week after. I still have the ticket and do you know what the price was? $9.50! And they were good seats!
Oh well, Rest in Peace, Ox.