Find a way to get in touch with
all those donor alumni and urge them to reconsider
donating to a repressive and backward school.
Contact your local papers and tell them you are being falsly accused of a crime.
After High School, college is one of the most repressive environments you will ever be in, if you dare to oppose the political or social orthodoxy.
In short, fight the bastards. You will feel better for it, and you will learn a lot, win or lose.
As a rule, administrations don't like the light to shine on them. They will use thugish tactics to silence you. Read the
FIRE guides
and other information to understand your rights.
It hampers everyones web experience. We use the web for education or entertainment.
If we look for educational (informational) material, artsy-fartsy page design gets in the way. It increased the download time of the page. It never qualifies as "Art". If page layouts are not idiotic, they are tediously, pretensiously, BORING! Worst: Flash intros with no non-flash skip button. Sheesh!
If we look for entertainment material, REPEATING THE SAME FLASH INTRO AND MOVING MENUS every time we visit the site is NOT ENTERTAINMENT. Wacka-Chicka 70's porn music is not
amusing 35 years later.
Hell, even when we look for porn, we want the porn. We did not go to a web page in search of stupid icons and animated (non-porn) gifs.
And speaking of porn (did I mention porn?), what is with all those shaved twats? It makes the model look 11 years old.
Yuck!
Not to mention the prolifiration of porn shots that have all the allure of a gyneological or animal husbandry textbook, but that's a rant for another time and place.
P.S.
For those who remember my objection to Jacksons whitherd tit at the superbowl now calling me a hypocrite about porn, I will spell out the difference for you:
I have no objection to people searching out, viewing, consuming, etc. porn, (animal, vegetable, or mineral) as long as it does not involve underage children.
I do object to porn being thrown in the faces of people who were not looking for and did not expect to see it. That's just plain rude.
He amassed his weatlh in the PC business. One might say that's a measurement of success. One might also say that such a successful person is qualified to speak about it more so than a random journalist. If he says positive things about it, where's your pile of cash that qualifies you to argue about it?
You make a classic mistake when you assume that what Bill says for publication is necessarily what he actually thinks. It has been known that people make statements in order to influence an outcome, not becuase they are sure that outcome will happen. In fact, if an outcome is certain, people usually don't bother to talk about it: How many "The sun rose today" conversations do you hear every morning?
As far as your "pile of cash" comment, do you remember someone called Ken Olsen?
Does the company name "Digital Equipment Corporation" ring a bell, anywhere? Ken had a modest pile of cash. He was a nice, personable guy to talk to, and he had an imposing presence. He drove a junker of a dark blue sub-compact ford? station wagon to work every day. Somehow, his cash, personality, and innate frugality that did not prevent the decline and fall of DEC.
If you had bothered to read the linked articles you would have seen:
"Now for the long awaited question. I took the whole setup over to a friends place who is a ham radio operator. He immediately chastised me for importing such contraband into the country and continually tsked tsked me while he checked the frequency on the equipment and salivated over it all wishing he had a set of his own. Well, here's the bad news....the frequency range is indeed 450 transmit from the base and 230 from the handset, reverse for the receive frequencies. This of course puts this outside the GMRS band and in the case of the 230 mhz band into some part of the aircraft communication band of frequencies. I do not have the exact frequencies in front of me at this moment but I have been for warned that by using these new toys of mine I would be infringing upon part of the Private Radio Service in the 450mhz range and, as mentioned, part of the aircraft comm band in the 230mhz range. So things look a little bleak as far as using this stuff in the US is concerned."
Well, other than using expensive fiber optics between the reciever and the transmitter ends (trivially obvious, econimically unfeasable),
these have been around for a loooong time.
It cannot, because it would be blinded by its own
temperature emissions.
The type of camera you want has a cooled detector/sensor. The early versions used a vial you would fill with liquid nitrogen. High pressure argon allowed to expand into a cooling chamber was also used. Modern cameras use a peltier type cooler to chill the detector.
About 10K new, several are listed on Ebay for much less.
The Gnome developers have slaved away for years to GIVE us a really nice desktop environment.
Yet, some people have decided that isn't good enough, and want the Gnome developers to become personal servants to fulfill their whims and fancies.
We should be thanking the Gnome developers, not whining that they don't cater to our personal brain-fart of the day. An easy alternative for them is to not provide Gnome at all.
So stop whining and STFU.
Oh, ya, I am not a software developer of any kind. But if I gave away some sort of widget I made, and people whined that this free widget should be pink not purple, I would tell them to FO.
Many people have the mistaken impression that guns are
too lightly regulated in the USA.
Not only do Americans
tolerate a wide variety of restrictive laws, which vary
state by state, they even have to pay for their own
guns and ammunition!
Compare this to the Swiss experience.
Every
Swiss
man, on reaching age 20, is
issued with a rifle to keep at home.
That rifle is the SIG Strumgeweher
(assault rifle) model 1990 (Stgw 90),
a selective fire, 5.6 mm rifle with
folding skeleton stock, bayonet lug,
bipod, and grenade launcher.
pic
,
pic,
Google
The Stgw
90 is a real assault rifle in that it
is fully automatic.
Gun control dogma claims that this would result
in a bloodbath. As usual, the dogma is wrong.
Note also that
Mainstream Media avoids reporting on the Swiss gun policy.
After all, they don't want to undo all the work they have done
for anti-gun forces over the years!
For those of us who prefer to sort manually, using Pine over SSH and leaving all email on the ISP's server works pretty well.
With a full screen terminal window, I can mark spam based on the name and the subject header. I can recognize spam at a rate of about 10 per second this way. With the names spammer pick, and the mis-spelled subject headers, it is pretty easy to pick them out.
Using pine, I never give a spammer info by opening web bugs. I can look at the raw email by typing "h" to show the headers, so all those phishing emails are immediately obvious.
Keeping the email on the isp's server means that when I rebuild a machine, I don't have to worry about
about backing up my email.
No matter what the issue, apple is never at fault.
Apple spends lots of effort trying to make people believe that they are "different", but when the shit hits the fan, they are just like everyone else, but more expensive and propriatery.
As an Apple non-user, I would expect that all software currently being sold would work with all apple hardware currently being sold.
After all, apple presents an image of monolithic "smoothness" and "oneness". Not to mention "zenness", "coolness", "hipness", and gender ambivalence.
Apple pushes the "This computer is simple, it just works" meme at every opportunity. Apple advertising implies that the user will have a seamless experience with no effort on their part.
Based on the apple image, I would not expect to have to read the fine print on software requierments. Based on all the expectations that apple instills in the consumer, the fact that the software does not work on the mini, and that apple doesn't make that fully , unmistakeably obvious everwhere, INCLUDING AT THE POINT OF PURCHASE shows again that the Emperor is still stark fucking naked.
If your comment was about a PC hardware user or a Linux user having an issue because they did not research a product fully for compatibility before they bought it, your point would be valid. PC hardware is not sold and advertised as being thought and analysis free.
Apple, however, has been making ads which imply that their products "just work", and that is obviously not the case.
Oh, and yes, be sure to mod me down for refusing to bow down to the Cult of the Mac. Heaven forbid that someone should disturb the serenity of the Echo Chamber, or put a
warp in the fabric of the reality distortion field.
I realize I shouldn't respond to a Kosvoid troll, but...
If you were a paid agent of Rove, you could not be more effective at pissing off the undecided voter and making sure the Democrats lose again and again.
It is said that one should never interrupt an enemy when they are making a mistake, but I am sure that you will pay absolutely no attentention to what I am saying:
Attitudes like your are what got my ass to the voting booth at 6:30 AM, to vote for the very first time in any election.
I am going to be there again at the next election, and I hope I can vote for Condi Rice.
Please, continue to call W voters inbred rednecks who cannot drool out of both sides of their mouths at the same time.
Please, continue to call W the new Hitler.
Please, contine to make personal attacks on people whose politics you disagree with.
You are far more effective at pushing people away from the Democratic party then I could ever be in pulling them toward the Republican one.
And for the record:
I am a
Pro-Abortion
Pro-gay-marriage
Anti-racist-preferences
Pro-gun
Pro-low-taxes
Pro-war
Pro-drug-legalization-with-regulation-and-taxati on
(Side note: I'm generally on the side of the French in these little Franco-American spats. I saw a SUV that had a "Boycott France" bumper sticker today, and considered sticking a note under his wiper that said something to the effect of "Y'know, you have the French to thank for the philosophy of free speech that allows you to show that sticker without danger of your tires getting slashed...")
That only applies to stickers endorsed by Democrats.
I actually have four thermocouple in the rig: each of the TC's in the roaster has a reverse connected TC attached to it, This helps to eliminate stray thermoelectric voltages, and is, I'm told, the most accurate way to use a thermocouple. Because of the reverse junction thermocouples, the voltmeters sense the difference between room temperature and the temperature of the sensor. The use of high quality voltmeters here, with low DC offsets, is important since the TC's generate only 22uV or so of signal per degree F.
That's an unusual way to hook up TCs, unless you put the extra TC in an ice bath (for the ice point). All TC meters (as opposed to generic voltmeters) have an artificial ice point voltage generator inside.
In the design of this roaster, the extra TCs shold be in an distilled ice/water bath, otherwise the roaster temp depends on room temp, which is not what you would want. The roaster temp should be independant of the room temp variations (that is the whole point of a control system.)
The other choice would be to use a surplus ISA based TC meter board (which has it's own ice point) in the PC, then you would only need 2 TCs and these would read the temp directly.
Still, I think I speak for all of/. when I say that this project deserves praise and admiration for not only its pointless complexity, (really, a requierment of any GOOD project) but also for the use of very expensive and obscure (GPIB voltemeters and an A_D converter? WTF?) components.
Sort of reminds me, in spirit anyway, of the weed burner I made out of an oil burner for a house furnace, and the snowblower made from the front half of a subaru station wagon...
Personal responsibility is a broken concept. It's also very primitive and obsolete; it's the perfect excuse for letting the rich blame the poor for their predicament.
You rock dude!
Here I used to think that I was poor because I spend all my time and money drinking at bars with other state employees.
STUPID ME!!!
I used to blame myself for not having the energy to find any better paying job, what with being half in the bag with booze or heroin.
WHAT A FOOL I WAS!!!
Not to mention all the exwives, and exgirlfriends, and all the sprog I hatched, you can't imagine how much it costs to keep all those kids in cigaretts.
Thanks putting me straight, bro. YOU HAVE HELPED ME TO SEE THE LIGHT, in a completely non-spiritual way.
I can see that all my problems are due to being oppressed by RICH PEOPLE! (Are they rich people of pallor? That would make it double-plus opressive)
By getting people used to idea of being tracked when they are young and powerless, you have a better chance of not making them question the tracking when they are adults. Then, the next step towards total control can be taken on the next generation of children.
In fact, you can see how effective this is by looking at some of the posts in this thread already: Note how many people have been conditioned to believe that regular monitoring is normal and "healthy" now, and thus automation of this monitoring is absolutely OK.
In fact, since you are so unafraid of Nuclear Power Plants, I assume you live near one. If you don't, then why don't you move to be within, say, two miles of a plant? Then, start sending your notes.
So what you are saying is, Free Speech only for those who YOU feel are "worthy" by moving (WTF?) their family to live next to a Nuke plant?
Hey, here's an idea. Since you are probably anti-gun, why don't you move to DC.
Guns are banned there, and I hear it's a real crime free utopia, compared to the killing fields of Vermont.
Yes, but they are solvents for the plastic parts used on the MB. Over time, the plastic parts (such as slot connectors) will swell, and eventually they might break the solder joints.
The pcb itself might swell, and if it does, it will break the plated thru holes and vias between the layers in the board.
If we do anything that might fix longterm problems, what would we have to make others feel guilty about in a generation or two?
Better to keep things as they are and ensure a steady supply of angst.
Not to mention, all of us who work in those NGOs and the UN aid agencys make a tidy profit on the business of providing aid. How are we going to skim billions from the Oil-for-Food programs when the people who are now poor can provide their own food?
Keep them ignorant, I say. No computers or other weapons of mass education, just more bags of rice and bottles of Coca-Cola.
Won't someone please, please, think of the NGOs and the UN? We need those lavish parties at the embassies.
The point of business is to make profits. That's exactly what Dell is doing. What's the problem?
The problem, as I'm sure you realize very well, is that when customers find out that Dell is playing these games and that they have been getting screwed on price, they will get pissed off and buy elsewhere. Dell will then end up with lower profits.
In other words, honesty is often the most profitable policy.
OT, I'm getting sick of these "Businesses/Capitalists use the skins of the downtrodden for laser printer paper while printing out instructions on how to club baby seals because it's more profitable, what's the problem?" posts.
Find a way to get in touch with all those donor alumni and urge them to reconsider donating to a repressive and backward school.
Contact your local papers and tell them you are being falsly accused of a crime.
After High School, college is one of the most repressive environments you will ever be in, if you dare to oppose the political or social orthodoxy.
In short, fight the bastards. You will feel better for it, and you will learn a lot, win or lose.
As a rule, administrations don't like the light to shine on them. They will use thugish tactics to silence you. Read the FIRE guides and other information to understand your rights.
If we look for educational (informational) material, artsy-fartsy page design gets in the way. It increased the download time of the page. It never qualifies as "Art". If page layouts are not idiotic, they are tediously, pretensiously, BORING! Worst: Flash intros with no non-flash skip button. Sheesh!
If we look for entertainment material, REPEATING THE SAME FLASH INTRO AND MOVING MENUS every time we visit the site is NOT ENTERTAINMENT. Wacka-Chicka 70's porn music is not amusing 35 years later.
Hell, even when we look for porn, we want the porn. We did not go to a web page in search of stupid icons and animated (non-porn) gifs.
And speaking of porn (did I mention porn?), what is with all those shaved twats? It makes the model look 11 years old.
Yuck!
Not to mention the prolifiration of porn shots that have all the allure of a gyneological or animal husbandry textbook, but that's a rant for another time and place.
P.S.
For those who remember my objection to Jacksons whitherd tit at the superbowl now calling me a hypocrite about porn, I will spell out the difference for you:
I have no objection to people searching out, viewing, consuming, etc. porn, (animal, vegetable, or mineral) as long as it does not involve underage children.
I do object to porn being thrown in the faces of people who were not looking for and did not expect to see it. That's just plain rude.
You make a classic mistake when you assume that what Bill says for publication is necessarily what he actually thinks. It has been known that people make statements in order to influence an outcome, not becuase they are sure that outcome will happen. In fact, if an outcome is certain, people usually don't bother to talk about it: How many "The sun rose today" conversations do you hear every morning?
As far as your "pile of cash" comment, do you remember someone called Ken Olsen?
Does the company name "Digital Equipment Corporation" ring a bell, anywhere? Ken had a modest pile of cash. He was a nice, personable guy to talk to, and he had an imposing presence. He drove a junker of a dark blue sub-compact ford? station wagon to work every day. Somehow, his cash, personality, and innate frugality that did not prevent the decline and fall of DEC.
"Now for the long awaited question. I took the whole setup over to a friends place who is a ham radio operator. He immediately chastised me for importing such contraband into the country and continually tsked tsked me while he checked the frequency on the equipment and salivated over it all wishing he had a set of his own. Well, here's the bad news....the frequency range is indeed 450 transmit from the base and 230 from the handset, reverse for the receive frequencies. This of course puts this outside the GMRS band and in the case of the 230 mhz band into some part of the aircraft communication band of frequencies. I do not have the exact frequencies in front of me at this moment but I have been for warned that by using these new toys of mine I would be infringing upon part of the Private Radio Service in the 450mhz range and, as mentioned, part of the aircraft comm band in the 230mhz range. So things look a little bleak as far as using this stuff in the US is concerned."
Are you and the mods new here or something?
Don't even go there.
Google Link
Use this camera, illuminate with this device and use a C-mount lens from this page if you are comfortable with removing the electronic iris in some of these older, but superb qulity, lenses.
You will be able to read a license plate at 75 feet in complete darkness.
The type of camera you want has a cooled detector/sensor. The early versions used a vial you would fill with liquid nitrogen. High pressure argon allowed to expand into a cooling chamber was also used. Modern cameras use a peltier type cooler to chill the detector.
About 10K new, several are listed on Ebay for much less.
The Gnome developers have slaved away for years to GIVE us a really nice desktop environment.
Yet, some people have decided that isn't good enough, and want the Gnome developers to become personal servants to fulfill their whims and fancies.
We should be thanking the Gnome developers, not whining that they don't cater to our personal brain-fart of the day. An easy alternative for them is to not provide Gnome at all.
So stop whining and STFU.
Oh, ya, I am not a software developer of any kind. But if I gave away some sort of widget I made, and people whined that this free widget should be pink not purple, I would tell them to FO.
UN workers are at the forefront of child care in the Congo.
Consider also the swift and effective response of the UN regarding the non-problems in Darfur.
I, for one, feel safer because of the UN.
Not only do Americans tolerate a wide variety of restrictive laws, which vary state by state, they even have to pay for their own guns and ammunition!
Compare this to the Swiss experience.
Every Swiss man, on reaching age 20, is issued with a rifle to keep at home.That rifle is the SIG Strumgeweher (assault rifle) model 1990 (Stgw 90), a selective fire, 5.6 mm rifle with folding skeleton stock, bayonet lug, bipod, and grenade launcher. pic , pic, Google
The Stgw 90 is a real assault rifle in that it is fully automatic.
Gun control dogma claims that this would result in a bloodbath. As usual, the dogma is wrong.
Note also that Mainstream Media avoids reporting on the Swiss gun policy. After all, they don't want to undo all the work they have done for anti-gun forces over the years!
With a full screen terminal window, I can mark spam based on the name and the subject header. I can recognize spam at a rate of about 10 per second this way. With the names spammer pick, and the mis-spelled subject headers, it is pretty easy to pick them out.
Using pine, I never give a spammer info by opening web bugs. I can look at the raw email by typing "h" to show the headers, so all those phishing emails are immediately obvious.
Keeping the email on the isp's server means that when I rebuild a machine, I don't have to worry about about backing up my email.
Electroshock machine
Lobotomy apparatus
Automated Librium making apparatus
Hell, if you want to make sure that your brain never gets to do anything without some sort of institutionalized coercion, why stop at making a TV?
I hear you cry: "TV is good for me, and you are just a humorless crank for criticizing it!"
To which I reply: Alcohol and Heroin addicts say much the same thing about their brain-restraints of choice.
If the thought of someone criticizing your TV watching makes you angry or defensive, you need to get help.
Apple spends lots of effort trying to make people believe that they are "different", but when the shit hits the fan, they are just like everyone else, but more expensive and propriatery.
As an Apple non-user, I would expect that all software currently being sold would work with all apple hardware currently being sold.
After all, apple presents an image of monolithic "smoothness" and "oneness". Not to mention "zenness", "coolness", "hipness", and gender ambivalence.
Apple pushes the "This computer is simple, it just works" meme at every opportunity. Apple advertising implies that the user will have a seamless experience with no effort on their part.
Based on the apple image, I would not expect to have to read the fine print on software requierments. Based on all the expectations that apple instills in the consumer, the fact that the software does not work on the mini, and that apple doesn't make that fully , unmistakeably obvious everwhere, INCLUDING AT THE POINT OF PURCHASE shows again that the Emperor is still stark fucking naked.
If your comment was about a PC hardware user or a Linux user having an issue because they did not research a product fully for compatibility before they bought it, your point would be valid. PC hardware is not sold and advertised as being thought and analysis free.
Apple, however, has been making ads which imply that their products "just work", and that is obviously not the case.
Oh, and yes, be sure to mod me down for refusing to bow down to the Cult of the Mac. Heaven forbid that someone should disturb the serenity of the Echo Chamber, or put a warp in the fabric of the reality distortion field.
Feh.
Both at Dvoraks site, and at /. to get more ad pageviews.
Any other questions?
:)
If you were a paid agent of Rove, you could not be more effective at pissing off the undecided voter and making sure the Democrats lose again and again.
It is said that one should never interrupt an enemy when they are making a mistake, but I am sure that you will pay absolutely no attentention to what I am saying:
Attitudes like your are what got my ass to the voting booth at 6:30 AM, to vote for the very first time in any election.
I am going to be there again at the next election, and I hope I can vote for Condi Rice.
Please, continue to call W voters inbred rednecks who cannot drool out of both sides of their mouths at the same time.
Please, continue to call W the new Hitler.
Please, contine to make personal attacks on people whose politics you disagree with.
You are far more effective at pushing people away from the Democratic party then I could ever be in pulling them toward the Republican one.
And for the record:
I am a
Pro-Abortion
Pro-gay-marriage
Anti-racist-preferences
Pro-gun
Pro-low-taxes
Pro-war
Pro-drug-legalization-with-regulation-and-taxati on
Destroy-the-**AA
Republican.
That only applies to stickers endorsed by Democrats.
Attacking Republicans, sadly, is seen as fair game.
I actually have four thermocouple in the rig: each of the TC's in the roaster has a reverse connected TC attached to it, This helps to eliminate stray thermoelectric voltages, and is, I'm told, the most accurate way to use a thermocouple. Because of the reverse junction thermocouples, the voltmeters sense the difference between room temperature and the temperature of the sensor. The use of high quality voltmeters here, with low DC offsets, is important since the TC's generate only 22uV or so of signal per degree F.
That's an unusual way to hook up TCs, unless you put the extra TC in an ice bath (for the ice point). All TC meters (as opposed to generic voltmeters) have an artificial ice point voltage generator inside.
In the design of this roaster, the extra TCs shold be in an distilled ice/water bath, otherwise the roaster temp depends on room temp, which is not what you would want. The roaster temp should be independant of the room temp variations (that is the whole point of a control system.)
The other choice would be to use a surplus ISA based TC meter board (which has it's own ice point) in the PC, then you would only need 2 TCs and these would read the temp directly.
Still, I think I speak for all of /. when I say that this project deserves praise and admiration for not only its pointless complexity, (really, a requierment of any GOOD project) but also for the use of very expensive and obscure (GPIB voltemeters and an A_D converter? WTF?) components.
Sort of reminds me, in spirit anyway, of the weed burner I made out of an oil burner for a house furnace, and the snowblower made from the front half of a subaru station wagon...
You rock dude!
Here I used to think that I was poor because I spend all my time and money drinking at bars with other state employees.
STUPID ME!!!
I used to blame myself for not having the energy to find any better paying job, what with being half in the bag with booze or heroin.
WHAT A FOOL I WAS!!!
Not to mention all the exwives, and exgirlfriends, and all the sprog I hatched, you can't imagine how much it costs to keep all those kids in cigaretts.
Thanks putting me straight, bro. YOU HAVE HELPED ME TO SEE THE LIGHT, in a completely non-spiritual way.
I can see that all my problems are due to being oppressed by RICH PEOPLE! (Are they rich people of pallor? That would make it double-plus opressive)
Speak truth to power, dude!
By getting people used to idea of being tracked when they are young and powerless, you have a better chance of not making them question the tracking when they are adults. Then, the next step towards total control can be taken on the next generation of children.
In fact, you can see how effective this is by looking at some of the posts in this thread already: Note how many people have been conditioned to believe that regular monitoring is normal and "healthy" now, and thus automation of this monitoring is absolutely OK.
The PC weasel logo is much more explicit (and funnier), and it does not seem to have harmed sales or perception.
Leave the poor Devil alone!
So what you are saying is, Free Speech only for those who YOU feel are "worthy" by moving (WTF?) their family to live next to a Nuke plant?
Hey, here's an idea. Since you are probably anti-gun, why don't you move to DC.
Guns are banned there, and I hear it's a real crime free utopia, compared to the killing fields of Vermont.
Feh.
Yes, but they are solvents for the plastic parts used on the MB. Over time, the plastic parts (such as slot connectors) will swell, and eventually they might break the solder joints.
The pcb itself might swell, and if it does, it will break the plated thru holes and vias between the layers in the board.
If we do anything that might fix longterm problems, what would we have to make others feel guilty about in a generation or two?
Better to keep things as they are and ensure a steady supply of angst.
Not to mention, all of us who work in those NGOs and the UN aid agencys make a tidy profit on the business of providing aid. How are we going to skim billions from the Oil-for-Food programs when the people who are now poor can provide their own food?
Keep them ignorant, I say. No computers or other weapons of mass education, just more bags of rice and bottles of Coca-Cola.
Won't someone please, please, think of the NGOs and the UN? We need those lavish parties at the embassies.
The problem, as I'm sure you realize very well, is that when customers find out that Dell is playing these games and that they have been getting screwed on price, they will get pissed off and buy elsewhere. Dell will then end up with lower profits.
In other words, honesty is often the most profitable policy.
OT, I'm getting sick of these "Businesses/Capitalists use the skins of the downtrodden for laser printer paper while printing out instructions on how to club baby seals because it's more profitable, what's the problem?" posts.
Profit and Ethics are not mutually exclusive.
And so you are on /. why???
Or your time is just too valuable to use the shift key?
I've never met a business owner who did not care about getting the lowest price.
Anyway, just to veer back on topic, the solution to Dells shell game is to just get your memory someplace like newegg. Problem solved.