No kidding. Try telling that to whoever modded my post as a troll.
(incidentally,a troll is someone who says something they don't necessarily believe, simply to inflame discussion. how insulting)
Thats not the point, who does the actual manufacture. MS is, obviously, solidly in control of the hardware... Thats the issue they are concerned about.
I didn't say they were ripping off consumers - I meant they are ripping off Sony, Nintendo, and Sega, probably Atari too somehow. Earlier this year, i read an article in EGM about how Microsoft got together grioups of gamers and asked them what they liked about previous consoles design, controllers, etc. Good business (how else would you do it if you had no clue about consoles?), but basically, they ended up stealing all sorts of ideas from previous consoles, like the dreamcats's cotrollers. Big surprise.
Why the fuck does commander taco want an xbox again????? One game? I thought if anyone realized that Microsoft and most anything made by them fucking sucks. The first time I read slashdot I was actually cheered by the little picture of Bill Gates as a Borg. Perhaps CT has been assimilated??
Anyhow, my opinio is the X-Box, besides being MS's way to make money in spite of flat PC sales, and also being their way to rip off an entire new segment of the industry, is MS's way to close the loop - to start manufacturing the hardware their OSes run on as well as all of the software. Basically, it's a bold step for Microsoft disguised as a game system, and I doubt if that is lost on the likes of Gateway, Compaq, and others who concentrate on the home PC business.
Heh heh, I liked that line too.
I kow of entire office full of people who don't understand this... maybe it because they are in California, or something. Here in Minnesota, there is NO shortage of people who don't understand basic computer paradigms.
Really cheap PCs have a shared memory architecture, also. The video ram is shared with the main system ram.
Many PCs do work like that and it is simply a cheap way of doing things, not a significat difference at all.
Dude, it's hopeless. The Slashdot comment section is completely in the throes of obsessive idiots. I can't believe how many of them there seem to be. Slashdot is more of a cultural pheneomenon to be studied than a site with useful information.
Personally, I think you're doing an okay job... ban those subnets!
well, the real question for me is 'how much would you shell out for a pda'. Since I only want one with a color screen, and windows ce anything is useless to me (and boring), this thing seems pretty cool. I don't want to pay more than $420, myself.
Hmm, okay, some guy that's trying to windows-out KDE. I couldn't find the article on that guy's page yet, so i'm still wondering how they've really changed the UI in WinXp... still seems more incremental than revolutionary, to me.
They didn't make a 'change' to their GUI. They made the title bars and green and poofy, the start button green and poofy, and the start menu bigger. Good lord! And you can have themes for explorer!! Innovation, revolution!
J. No provision of this Final Judgment shall:
1. Require Microsoft to document, disclose or license to third parties: (a)portions of APIs or Documentation or portions or layers of Communications Protocols the disclosure of which would compromise the security of anti-piracy, anti-virus, software licensing, digital rights management, encryption or authentication systems, including without limitation, keys, authorization tokens or enforcement criteria; or (b)any API, interface or other information related to any Microsoft product if lawfully directed not to do so by a governmental agency of competent jurisdiction.
2. Prevent Microsoft from conditioning any license of any API, Documentation or Communications Protocol related to anti-piracy systems, anti-virus technologies, license enforcement mechanisms, authentication/authorization security, or third party intellectual property protection mechanisms of any Microsoft product to any person or entity on the requirement that the licensee: (a)has no history of software counterfeiting or piracy or willful violation of intellectual property rights, (b)has a reasonable business need for the API, Documentation or Communications Protocol for a planned or shipping product, (c)meets reasonable, objective standards established by Microsoft for certifying the authenticity and viability of its business, (d)agrees to submit, at its own expense, any computer program using such APIs, Documentation or Communication Protocols to third-party verification, approved by Microsoft, to test for and ensure verification and compliance with Microsoft specifications for use of the API or interface, which specifications shall be related to proper operation and integrity of the systems and mechanisms identified in this paragraph. Most of what they will fail to document and disclose here is pretty important. I can imagine what MS will claim they cannot share due to 'encryption and authentication systems': the ability to log onto Passport with something other than IE. And then, they want to be able to restrict what you do with the info they are provide.
Notwithstanding the foregoing Section III.H.2, the Windows Operating System Product may invoke a Microsoft Middleware Product in any instance in which:
that Microsoft Middleware Product would be invoked solely for use in interoperating with a server maintained by Microsoft (outside the context of general Web browsing), or
that designated Non-Microsoft Middleware Product fails to implement a reasonable technical requirement (e.g., a requirement to be able to host a particular ActiveX control) that is necessary for valid technical reasons to supply the end user with functionality consistent with a Windows Operating System Product, provided that the technical reasons are described in a reasonably prompt manner to any ISV that requests them. I'm pretty sure that everything but IE would fail that ability to 'host a particular ActiveX control', and I can only imagine what their definition of 'reasonably prompt' would be. And as above, if it's related to 'authentication/authorization security', you may be required to submit your code to for approval.
And then, of course, a lot of these sections also relate to DRM and the changes coming once whatever version of the SSS(however many Ss)CA legislation gets passed, eventually.
What I do like :
C. Microsoft shall not restrict by agreement any OEM licensee from exercising any of the following options or alternatives:
(....)
4. Offering users the option of launching other Operating Systems from the Basic Input/Output System or a non-Microsoft boot-loader or similar program that launches prior to the start of the Windows Operating System Product. Hopefully we will be seeing some dual boot systems available from OEMs. That will make things a lot easier for some people to even try an alternative OS.
Oh well. With Bush saying before he was elected 'A Bush administration will favor innovation over litigation', this is still better than I expected.
With Linux, customers "end up being in the operating systems business," managing software updates and security patches while making sure the multitude of software packages don't conflict with each other," Miller said. "That's the job of a software vendor like Microsoft." How can he ignore the fact that Red Hat is doing that for them? Besides, of course, that he is the Master of MS Fud at the moment, being quoted with several misleading and plainly false statements in the news lately.
While Red Hat offers some of those services, it's difficult to ensure that software packages updated frequently by hundreds of people around the globe work well together, Miller said. It clearly difficult for Microsoft to make sure that their hundreds of software packages produced by thousands of employees in Washington work well together. Apparently the tactic here is to discredit open source devlopment in general as being some sort of complex house of toothpicks.
From another story, Doug Miller, director of competitive strategy for the software giant, says he thinks Linux isn't a long-term bet for the data center. "I just don't see it taking over the world," he says. Anyway, apprently Doug Miller is the MS pap of the moment. They seem to have a stream of dorks, each one heading the FUD campaign of the moment.
Anyway, the story is good news I reckon. I think more and more companies are going to realize that switching to stable, free, open software is only a winning propsition, and we'll be seeing more of this as the bean counters take notice.
yeah, it would be nice if MS provided any documentation without having to givethem a bunch of money. There is so much 'secret' stuff in there thats actually useful it's ridiculous (mystic hidden configuration exes, undocunmented registrykeys,I'm sure you must liek these things). But oh well, you all can suffer through the closedness of Windows if you want. We don't have to give a fuck.
Sounds like perhaps a fewthings would have helped:
You could have been using Reiserfs, and there would be no problem with fscks,
perhaps also they couldhave learned "ctrl-alt-backspace' to kill an x server (which I don't have to do very often).
And your bank is atfault for the other issue. I have had good luck with at least one of Opera, Mozilla or Konqueror working with most bank or credit card sites.
not your house... maybe if you commercially painted houses pantone #420., although I agree you would have to bge claiming the color to be pantone #420 tobe sueable.
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Oh,
shut up.
I hope you enjoy living in a police state.
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its going to be harder to take a bag of weed with you on a plane now. THATS what sucks.
QNX is a nifty little operating system, as I determined by installing it on my desktop system.
Those screenshots from the qPaq look totally awesome. That + Opera and that little thing will just rip!
QNX definitely has the art of making pretty interafces down, and the code behind it is super solid and interesting (too bad we don't get to see it...).
Your app probaly doesn't do anything important enough to be imitated, or programmed against. I have no doubt there is anti lotus, netscape, realplayer, etc code lurking in the dark heart of that source code they desperately won't let you see.
The technology he means is probably: email servers, cd burners, internet browsers, media players, database servers, email programs, and everything else important that MS HAS to control or they'll have a fuckin fit.
Oh my god. Its specterjr! I remember you here, valiantly fighting for MS two or three years ago.
CD burning built in is not a new 'feature', it is trying to take over Adaptec's market;
1394/USB networking: okay, thats nice.
Error reporting : WOW!!
fast user switching: oh
file transfer wizrd: thats one crappy wizard, big deal,
built in firewall: at last. trying to rip off zone alarm probably
tnp synch: unix has had this for how long?
task bar cleaning: give me a fucking break.
All of these are minor add ons that certainly nobody would pay $$ for by themselves, but once MS bundles it up people are probably paying $10 for each of those.
Passport is a suite of personal authentication services that makes it easier for you to use the Web.
Thank goodness! Having to make an account with MS definitely makes it easier for me to use the web. Having the source avaialable as a Win32 executable file sure does make iot easier for me to use the source to! They're really looking out for me, making things so 'easier'!!!
After assuming Sandia and Lawrence Livermore were actually government facilites, I was surprised to see this at the bottom of that page:
Sandia is a multiprogram laboratory operated by Sandia Corporation, a Lockheed Martin Company, for the United States Department of Energy under contract DE-AC04-94AL85000. With main facilities in Albuquerque, N.M., and Livermore, Calif., Sandia has major research and development responsibilities in national security, energy and environmental technologies, and economic competitiveness.
I think comedy is easy to use. if only he made his structured drawing program nudge illustrator in the ribs, and mock their silly menus and icons - perhaps include a license that spits on their EULA, why not?
Then , would it be protected? HAs anyone ever tried parody software?? Thats a new level of complexity I think. I don't know if the code would be arranged to make fun of Adobe also, which to truly be biting, you'd have to know the original structure for illustrator - so thats more like an 'in' joke for Adobe. We should stick to mocking the GUI and names of functions.
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No kidding. Try telling that to whoever modded my post as a troll.
(incidentally,a troll is someone who says something they don't necessarily believe, simply to inflame discussion. how insulting)
Thats not the point, who does the actual manufacture. MS is, obviously, solidly in control of the hardware... Thats the issue they are concerned about.
I didn't say they were ripping off consumers - I meant they are ripping off Sony, Nintendo, and Sega, probably Atari too somehow. Earlier this year, i read an article in EGM about how Microsoft got together grioups of gamers and asked them what they liked about previous consoles design, controllers, etc. Good business (how else would you do it if you had no clue about consoles?), but basically, they ended up stealing all sorts of ideas from previous consoles, like the dreamcats's cotrollers. Big surprise.
Why the fuck does commander taco want an xbox again????? One game? I thought if anyone realized that Microsoft and most anything made by them fucking sucks. The first time I read slashdot I was actually cheered by the little picture of Bill Gates as a Borg. Perhaps CT has been assimilated??
Anyhow, my opinio is the X-Box, besides being MS's way to make money in spite of flat PC sales, and also being their way to rip off an entire new segment of the industry, is MS's way to close the loop - to start manufacturing the hardware their OSes run on as well as all of the software. Basically, it's a bold step for Microsoft disguised as a game system, and I doubt if that is lost on the likes of Gateway, Compaq, and others who concentrate on the home PC business.
Heh heh, I liked that line too.
I kow of entire office full of people who don't understand this... maybe it because they are in California, or something. Here in Minnesota, there is NO shortage of people who don't understand basic computer paradigms.
Really cheap PCs have a shared memory architecture, also. The video ram is shared with the main system ram.
Many PCs do work like that and it is simply a cheap way of doing things, not a significat difference at all.
Dude, it's hopeless. The Slashdot comment section is completely in the throes of obsessive idiots. I can't believe how many of them there seem to be. Slashdot is more of a cultural pheneomenon to be studied than a site with useful information.
Personally, I think you're doing an okay job... ban those subnets!
well, the real question for me is 'how much would you shell out for a pda'. Since I only want one with a color screen, and windows ce anything is useless to me (and boring), this thing seems pretty cool. I don't want to pay more than $420, myself.
Hmm, okay, some guy that's trying to windows-out KDE. I couldn't find the article on that guy's page yet, so i'm still wondering how they've really changed the UI in WinXp... still seems more incremental than revolutionary, to me.
They didn't make a 'change' to their GUI. They made the title bars and green and poofy, the start button green and poofy, and the start menu bigger. Good lord! And you can have themes for explorer!! Innovation, revolution!
J. No provision of this Final Judgment shall:
1. Require Microsoft to document, disclose or license to third parties: (a)portions of APIs or Documentation or portions or layers of Communications Protocols the disclosure of which would compromise the security of anti-piracy, anti-virus, software licensing, digital rights management, encryption or authentication systems, including without limitation, keys, authorization tokens or enforcement criteria; or (b)any API, interface or other information related to any Microsoft product if lawfully directed not to do so by a governmental agency of competent jurisdiction.
2. Prevent Microsoft from conditioning any license of any API, Documentation or Communications Protocol related to anti-piracy systems, anti-virus technologies, license enforcement mechanisms, authentication/authorization security, or third party intellectual property protection mechanisms of any Microsoft product to any person or entity on the requirement that the licensee: (a)has no history of software counterfeiting or piracy or willful violation of intellectual property rights, (b)has a reasonable business need for the API, Documentation or Communications Protocol for a planned or shipping product, (c)meets reasonable, objective standards established by Microsoft for certifying the authenticity and viability of its business, (d)agrees to submit, at its own expense, any computer program using such APIs, Documentation or Communication Protocols to third-party verification, approved by Microsoft, to test for and ensure verification and compliance with Microsoft specifications for use of the API or interface, which specifications shall be related to proper operation and integrity of the systems and mechanisms identified in this paragraph.
Most of what they will fail to document and disclose here is pretty important. I can imagine what MS will claim they cannot share due to 'encryption and authentication systems': the ability to log onto Passport with something other than IE. And then, they want to be able to restrict what you do with the info they are provide.
Notwithstanding the foregoing Section III.H.2, the Windows Operating System Product may invoke a Microsoft Middleware Product in any instance in which:
that Microsoft Middleware Product would be invoked solely for use in interoperating with a server maintained by Microsoft (outside the context of general Web browsing), or
that designated Non-Microsoft Middleware Product fails to implement a reasonable technical requirement (e.g., a requirement to be able to host a particular ActiveX control) that is necessary for valid technical reasons to supply the end user with functionality consistent with a Windows Operating System Product, provided that the technical reasons are described in a reasonably prompt manner to any ISV that requests them.
I'm pretty sure that everything but IE would fail that ability to 'host a particular ActiveX control', and I can only imagine what their definition of 'reasonably prompt' would be. And as above, if it's related to 'authentication/authorization security', you may be required to submit your code to for approval.
And then, of course, a lot of these sections also relate to DRM and the changes coming once whatever version of the SSS(however many Ss)CA legislation gets passed, eventually.
What I do like :
C. Microsoft shall not restrict by agreement any OEM licensee from exercising any of the following options or alternatives:
(....)
4. Offering users the option of launching other Operating Systems from the Basic Input/Output System or a non-Microsoft boot-loader or similar program that launches prior to the start of the Windows Operating System Product.
Hopefully we will be seeing some dual boot systems available from OEMs. That will make things a lot easier for some people to even try an alternative OS.
Oh well. With Bush saying before he was elected 'A Bush administration will favor innovation over litigation', this is still better than I expected.
With Linux, customers "end up being in the operating systems business," managing software updates and security patches while making sure the multitude of software packages don't conflict with each other," Miller said. "That's the job of a software vendor like Microsoft."
How can he ignore the fact that Red Hat is doing that for them? Besides, of course, that he is the Master of MS Fud at the moment, being quoted with several misleading and plainly false statements in the news lately.
While Red Hat offers some of those services, it's difficult to ensure that software packages updated frequently by hundreds of people around the globe work well together, Miller said.
It clearly difficult for Microsoft to make sure that their hundreds of software packages produced by thousands of employees in Washington work well together. Apparently the tactic here is to discredit open source devlopment in general as being some sort of complex house of toothpicks.
From another story, Doug Miller, director of competitive strategy for the software giant, says he thinks Linux isn't a long-term bet for the data center. "I just don't see it taking over the world," he says.
Anyway, apprently Doug Miller is the MS pap of the moment. They seem to have a stream of dorks, each one heading the FUD campaign of the moment.
Anyway, the story is good news I reckon. I think more and more companies are going to realize that switching to stable, free, open software is only a winning propsition, and we'll be seeing more of this as the bean counters take notice.
You might also try windowmaker.
It is fast, stable, and has little buttons to push.
yeah, it would be nice if MS provided any documentation without having to givethem a bunch of money. There is so much 'secret' stuff in there thats actually useful it's ridiculous (mystic hidden configuration exes, undocunmented registrykeys,I'm sure you must liek these things). But oh well, you all can suffer through the closedness of Windows if you want. We don't have to give a fuck.
Sounds like perhaps a fewthings would have helped:
You could have been using Reiserfs, and there would be no problem with fscks,
perhaps also they couldhave learned "ctrl-alt-backspace' to kill an x server (which I don't have to do very often).
And your bank is atfault for the other issue. I have had good luck with at least one of Opera, Mozilla or Konqueror working with most bank or credit card sites.
not your house... maybe if you commercially painted houses pantone #420., although I agree you would have to bge claiming the color to be pantone #420 tobe sueable.
Oh,
shut up.
I hope you enjoy living in a police state.
its going to be harder to take a bag of weed with you on a plane now. THATS what sucks.
Haha! American pretzels!!
QNX is a nifty little operating system, as I determined by installing it on my desktop system.
Those screenshots from the qPaq look totally awesome. That + Opera and that little thing will just rip!
QNX definitely has the art of making pretty interafces down, and the code behind it is super solid and interesting (too bad we don't get to see it...).
Sooorry, I have to call your bullshit here.
Your app probaly doesn't do anything important enough to be imitated, or programmed against. I have no doubt there is anti lotus, netscape, realplayer, etc code lurking in the dark heart of that source code they desperately won't let you see.
The technology he means is probably: email servers, cd burners, internet browsers, media players, database servers, email programs, and everything else important that MS HAS to control or they'll have a fuckin fit.
Oh my god. Its specterjr! I remember you here, valiantly fighting for MS two or three years ago. CD burning built in is not a new 'feature', it is trying to take over Adaptec's market; 1394/USB networking: okay, thats nice. Error reporting : WOW!! fast user switching: oh file transfer wizrd: thats one crappy wizard, big deal, built in firewall: at last. trying to rip off zone alarm probably tnp synch: unix has had this for how long? task bar cleaning: give me a fucking break. All of these are minor add ons that certainly nobody would pay $$ for by themselves, but once MS bundles it up people are probably paying $10 for each of those.
Passport is a suite of personal authentication services that makes it easier for you to use the Web.
Thank goodness! Having to make an account with MS definitely makes it easier for me to use the web. Having the source avaialable as a Win32 executable file sure does make iot easier for me to use the source to! They're really looking out for me, making things so 'easier'!!!
After assuming Sandia and Lawrence Livermore were actually government facilites, I was surprised to see this at the bottom of that page:
Sandia is a multiprogram laboratory operated by Sandia Corporation, a Lockheed Martin Company, for the United States Department of Energy under contract DE-AC04-94AL85000. With main facilities in Albuquerque, N.M., and Livermore, Calif., Sandia has major research and development responsibilities in national security, energy and environmental technologies, and economic competitiveness.
Owned by a private company???
I think comedy is easy to use. if only he made his structured drawing program nudge illustrator in the ribs, and mock their silly menus and icons - perhaps include a license that spits on their EULA, why not? Then , would it be protected? HAs anyone ever tried parody software?? Thats a new level of complexity I think. I don't know if the code would be arranged to make fun of Adobe also, which to truly be biting, you'd have to know the original structure for illustrator - so thats more like an 'in' joke for Adobe. We should stick to mocking the GUI and names of functions.