parent is spot on. Its because of some of the modular imaging that I hear about in vista that I look forward to getting it in our business in a couple of years. No - not when it's release - but when the buisness class (ie basic) vista PC's are in the right price bracket (ie cheap)
actually think they're all just Duke Nukem Forwever ware. There are stories about them, but no actual links or pictures.
naaa - they exist. Do a google search and you'll find someone willing to sell them. top of my list were www.spylife.com and www.spysupplystore.com which look like real stores/suppliers. But yeah - crappy crappy article
Isn't the whole point of taking post secondary courses to have the credentials necessary to get a job in your chosen field?
As others have said "hell No"!
oh alright - yeah, sometimes
Sometimes you need various accreditation to get/keep/progress in a job. this may be
an academic certificate such as Bachelors/Masters/PhD
professional accreditation - pass the bar in law, accountants have something - it's common in various professions to have to get approval from a body of esteemed peers
a industry/vendor related such as those offered by Novell, Microsoft, Cisco, Redhat etc
BUT (and it's a big point) eventually you get to the stage where another bit of paper just doesn't matter. You are interested in knowledge and skills for their own sake. That motivation is desirable even in the accreditation activities above. But what do you do when you've got all the paper you want/need/care-about? Often self-study and keeping abreast of the field is enough. But sometimes it's good to take a prepared and structured course that is relevent to you regardless of whether you get the final qualification.
I regularly "cherry-pick" courses with no intention of getting the final certificate. It plays hell with the institutions completion-rate reports, but that's not my problem.
I love the idea of these courses being made freely available for cherry pickers such as myself that just want to learn
Would appreciate any comments on whether such efforts are useful to the larger community
HELL YES!!!!
I plan on downloading this as soon as I get back to work. This is ALMOST exactly what I need for some professional development.
Now - if you'd do a similar course on analysing network protocols using ethereal - something that would bring me from basic networking through to being able to take part in various honeypot challenges then I would be a happy happy man.
p.s. by "basic level" I mean someone who has studied tanenbaum in knowledge, and is around CCNA level in implimentation skills.
Bugger - where did my mod points go - they were there yesterday.
The parent needs modded up. Timothy added comments which were themselves soly TROLL status. He deserves a serious reprimand for that biased editorial comment.
Personally I try to isolate myself and have no interest in saving subhumans from themselves.
Where necessary, attach disclaimers to all of your work and continually state: "You begged me to help you, and I said that I couldn't - so don't complain if this fails."
I think that many people feel upset or offended that science naturally dissociates itself from such consequences.
Yeah - true - there are spoilt children everywhere. I often hear them shouting "it's not fair... but you PROMISED" when things don't go as planned & expected. and in discussions like this, the "children" are over 20 who should know better
all science can do is make predictions based on current knowledge, known facts, and best hypothesis. If "many people" can't accept that... well what can you do?
ok - so if I read this right it's saying that things aren't going as predicted. the implied message seems to be something like "science got it wrong" - but the whole point of science is to improve knowledge. That point, the essential element of science, is that we do NOT know it all and seek to improve.
Look - the chance of everything changing EXACTLY as predicted (by anyone) is almost nil. so headlines will always read:
I've been watching the news and I haven't heard of this happening. It doesn't make sense that the media wouldn't report on this.
it was reported i found this mentioned in another thread below. Now - should you be more concerned that these guys don't know the actual meaning of the 4th or concerned that they are trying to create a meme and general belief that it actually says something different.
perhaps you should be concerned that it wasn't WIDLY reported (or do you watch fox?)
OK - I'll bite - what WOULD you say is better. The parent (g/parent to this) left the field open - but can you tell me a better resource that is free and online?
People seem to think that because it's low it's bad. If I was an IT manager hiring a desktop break/ix technician I'd make it a requirement for them to achieve it in 6 months. Not because I think that it proves expertise - but because if they can't do it then I don't want them.
Its a minimal line in the sand that you're safe to be left alone in the same room as a pc, a screwdriver and a boot CD.
I'm sure every PHB out there was asking [how can we ever trust this
It's not just the Pointy Headed Boss that should be asking this. Any sys-admin through to junior technician that's worth their salt should shy away from implimenting bleeding edge technologies or ideas in a mainstream production environment.
I might be able to cope with using apt-get or SUS to download and install patchs FULL without testing (who has the time or resources to thourghly test every patch?? We test on a disposable server to see if it crashes on install - end of story). But any IT person who races to impliment the latest fad in their corporate infrastructure is an incompetent boob. In my experience the PHB (business boss not IT manager) needs the technicians to reign in their enthusiastic urge to "lets do it".
"The Redmond company believes that catching the students early on will turn them into life-long users of Windows Live.
Just like flooding schools with Apple Mac's in the 90's converted sooooo many to apple [/sarcasim].
based on my early experience I have always thought apple had the superior OS. I still suspect that it is. But most of my work and home OS is windows with a little linux. I think that early experience might have a small effect on long term market share but waaay less than marketers seem to believe.
My lowest paid employee is deaf and works about 12-16 hours a week (including travel). He earns almost US$50k take home after taxes, and practically selects his own hours (5am to 2pm so he can spend time with his family). He owns his home (no mortgage) and his car, and he vacations probably 6-8 weeks a year whenever he wants. His contract is a re-occuring bid contract that we always win because he works that hard -- and the customers know it.
So how does this equate to your earlier post that your employees earn minimal wage + 80% bonus?
Was the first comment a gross exageration or simply an ourgith lie to try and justify your rant?
i repeat. Anyone who pays minimal wages isn't going to con me into working for them. There are enough companies around that WILL pay me a wage that I am happy for along with the non-work hours which i demand. If you do that... then why did you claim you didn't.
For those who know, most of my employees work at minimum wage with a large project bonus (up to 80%), and I have enough people looking to work for us that it isn't the pay structure that isn't helping me find good help.
I am simply not interested in working for bonuses. But minumum wage as the base? Hell it's no surprise you get applicants as you describe. I imagine that somewhere during an interview with you I'd be thinking "take your job and shove it"
I've done my time working on death march projects with 80hr/week. But now that I've got the experience and (some) of the expertise that you probably want, I am simply not going to apply for any job which means I don't have a life. I'll happily work my butt off for 40-50 hours a weak. If I can't see my kid, do some fishing in the weekend, and generally enjoy myself then I do not want the job.
If you want mindless drones that you can fool into slaving (literally) for you then expect the applicants you are getting. I can offer much more, but demand much in return including a quality of life and a decent wage. and by decent wage I really don't mean that high.
Jeese - come to think of it, I can get minimum wage + 80% bonus by working at McDonalds and making web sites in the weekend.
reminds me of a Laurie Anderson song about the decreasing margin between pay rates for women. She calculates that by the year 3888 we should have equal pay rates.
With changes in the market share as they are, I don't exepct any major change in OS's any time soon. Apple have had their chance, and have continuelly failed to impact in any significant way
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parent is spot on. Its because of some of the modular imaging that I hear about in vista that I look forward to getting it in our business in a couple of years. No - not when it's release - but when the buisness class (ie basic) vista PC's are in the right price bracket (ie cheap)
naaa - they exist. Do a google search and you'll find someone willing to sell them. top of my list were www.spylife.com and www.spysupplystore.com which look like real stores/suppliers. But yeah - crappy crappy article
more believable is a screen shot from "Duke Nukem forever" with a banner ad announcing the upcoming release of MS-Vista
Just about every month I have to restart due to patching - but lets allow 60 days in case one month the patches are don't need it.
As others have said "hell No"!
oh alright - yeah, sometimes
Sometimes you need various accreditation to get/keep/progress in a job. this may be
BUT (and it's a big point) eventually you get to the stage where another bit of paper just doesn't matter. You are interested in knowledge and skills for their own sake. That motivation is desirable even in the accreditation activities above. But what do you do when you've got all the paper you want/need/care-about? Often self-study and keeping abreast of the field is enough. But sometimes it's good to take a prepared and structured course that is relevent to you regardless of whether you get the final qualification.
I regularly "cherry-pick" courses with no intention of getting the final certificate. It plays hell with the institutions completion-rate reports, but that's not my problem.
I love the idea of these courses being made freely available for cherry pickers such as myself that just want to learn
HELL YES!!!!
I plan on downloading this as soon as I get back to work. This is ALMOST exactly what I need for some professional development.
Now - if you'd do a similar course on analysing network protocols using ethereal - something that would bring me from basic networking through to being able to take part in various honeypot challenges then I would be a happy happy man.
p.s. by "basic level" I mean someone who has studied tanenbaum in knowledge, and is around CCNA level in implimentation skills.
so what?
fair 'nuff it is about engineering design - not engineering maintenance incompetance
Bhopal was a pretty large engineering snafu I think., But then again - this is wired, titillate and intrigue but don't educate or involve controversy
Bugger - where did my mod points go - they were there yesterday. The parent needs modded up. Timothy added comments which were themselves soly TROLL status. He deserves a serious reprimand for that biased editorial comment.
You MUST be in tech support!!
that would be why there are the "world series" competitions. Because they are global sports ... right?
Yeah - true - there are spoilt children everywhere. I often hear them shouting "it's not fair ... but you PROMISED" when things don't go as planned & expected. and in discussions like this, the "children" are over 20 who should know better
all science can do is make predictions based on current knowledge, known facts, and best hypothesis. If "many people" can't accept that ... well what can you do?
Look - the chance of everything changing EXACTLY as predicted (by anyone) is almost nil. so headlines will always read:
XXXX is going BETTER/WORSE than predicted.
Really - nothing to see here - please keep moving
ok yeah I know "me too" is crass but fv[k that was FUNNY romalol
it was reported i found this mentioned in another thread below. Now - should you be more concerned that these guys don't know the actual meaning of the 4th or concerned that they are trying to create a meme and general belief that it actually says something different.
perhaps you should be concerned that it wasn't WIDLY reported (or do you watch fox?)
OK - I'll bite - what WOULD you say is better. The parent (g/parent to this) left the field open - but can you tell me a better resource that is free and online?
that's a good anology
People seem to think that because it's low it's bad. If I was an IT manager hiring a desktop break/ix technician I'd make it a requirement for them to achieve it in 6 months. Not because I think that it proves expertise - but because if they can't do it then I don't want them.
Its a minimal line in the sand that you're safe to be left alone in the same room as a pc, a screwdriver and a boot CD.
It's not just the Pointy Headed Boss that should be asking this. Any sys-admin through to junior technician that's worth their salt should shy away from implimenting bleeding edge technologies or ideas in a mainstream production environment.
I might be able to cope with using apt-get or SUS to download and install patchs FULL without testing (who has the time or resources to thourghly test every patch?? We test on a disposable server to see if it crashes on install - end of story). But any IT person who races to impliment the latest fad in their corporate infrastructure is an incompetent boob. In my experience the PHB (business boss not IT manager) needs the technicians to reign in their enthusiastic urge to "lets do it".
Just like flooding schools with Apple Mac's in the 90's converted sooooo many to apple [/sarcasim].
based on my early experience I have always thought apple had the superior OS. I still suspect that it is. But most of my work and home OS is windows with a little linux. I think that early experience might have a small effect on long term market share but waaay less than marketers seem to believe.
Not that I disagree - but if it's so trivial why are cracks commonly available?. I've often wondered.
down under it's getting cooler, leaves are committing suicide and we're heading towards the dreary days of winter - YOU INSENSITIVE CLOD,p> :-)
So how does this equate to your earlier post that your employees earn minimal wage + 80% bonus?
Was the first comment a gross exageration or simply an ourgith lie to try and justify your rant?
i repeat. Anyone who pays minimal wages isn't going to con me into working for them. There are enough companies around that WILL pay me a wage that I am happy for along with the non-work hours which i demand. If you do that ... then why did you claim you didn't.
I am simply not interested in working for bonuses. But minumum wage as the base? Hell it's no surprise you get applicants as you describe. I imagine that somewhere during an interview with you I'd be thinking "take your job and shove it"
I've done my time working on death march projects with 80hr/week. But now that I've got the experience and (some) of the expertise that you probably want, I am simply not going to apply for any job which means I don't have a life. I'll happily work my butt off for 40-50 hours a weak. If I can't see my kid, do some fishing in the weekend, and generally enjoy myself then I do not want the job.
If you want mindless drones that you can fool into slaving (literally) for you then expect the applicants you are getting. I can offer much more, but demand much in return including a quality of life and a decent wage. and by decent wage I really don't mean that high.
Jeese - come to think of it, I can get minimum wage + 80% bonus by working at McDonalds and making web sites in the weekend.
With changes in the market share as they are, I don't exepct any major change in OS's any time soon. Apple have had their chance, and have continuelly failed to impact in any significant way