Heh! Yeah... what can I say? As that coverage map shows only the areas close to the river are covered, and the marysville area too. Well, like I said this is a town of 50000, it's small! That coverage map isn't just the 'river' portion of Fredericton... it's pretty much the whole town!:)
I'm on the south side of the river, outside of downtown and I can hit a signal from home.
FYI - It is free. The city receives funds in taxes, parking tickets, fees and dues. Large portions are paid by the downtown businesses, so the city receives these funds every year and they've managed it responsibly enough to be able to afford and offer up this service. I live in a place where I pay taxes... I'm guessing you probably pay taxes too, no?
As far as those not in the valley... how is this any different than, say, your township building a new baseball diamond *just* across town, a little too far for you to use without going out of your way? Same thing... it happens.
I live in Fredericton, New Brunswick, Canada. It's just east of Maine for those who may not be aware. I live in a small city of about 50000 people, and we already have had free wireless public internet for a few years now. It's called the Fred-e-zone.
It's availabe to most as long as you're living close to the valley and not behind some of the hills in town. I just bring my laptop from work, to coffee shop, to home... always connected for free.
People are under the impression that Canada is huge and is sparsely populated. I can tell you that most cities are south by the US border, and only a small portion of Canada actually has people living together densely. It would be easier to build this type of infrastructure here in Canada than it would be in the States I would guess... just because most major cities are along the border.
No... I think that only OT (negative) modding is working for some reason. I've seen this in previous stories as well this morning. Only offtopic is working. Could someone try modding some of these comments overrated as well... I'm curious if that will show.
What a surprise to read some slashdot today and find that sorty posted. I attended UNB Mechanical Engineering and one of my profs actually worked there. I remember doing a course writing 3D control software for movement of a PUMA arm stored in the lab. It's good to see some print for little old New Brunswick, and good to see some benefits for people who've lost limbs.
Linux, as a desktop offering, is highlty configurable and powerful, yes. However, it has typically sluggish and sloppy desktop 2D performance. It is inconsistent and is, in fact, a pain to use.
Windows is a bit better, but I find the response under heavy load to be very sluggish, and the consistency of desktop apps and interface can be sloppy as well at time.
MacOS X is truly elegant. Easy to use and pleasing to the eye, it makes using a computer a treat. The base system is efficient enough, and in my opinion, is a very stable environment indeed.
Troll me if you want, but I've used Linux since the mid ninties, everything from i386 RPM based systems to a stage 1 built Gentoo box. So don't tell me it's only because I don't know how to use 'em or that I'm using a stock, bloated kernel.
I've given Linux a chance. Hell I've given it years of chances and a days worth of compiling from source on my latest attempt. Guess what? I have winXP on that box now and NO more instance of Linux anywhere. My next PC will be a Mac.
You want a stable machine with free servers, and you don't mind spending some time configuring things... definately get Linux. Otherwise look elsewhere because Linux has nothing to offer the user desktop experience.
Oh, and by the way, I'm a developer by trade. Yes I write software. I still have this complaint about Linux. It's just plain messy. If I went back to a Unix-ish system I'd do the free Solaris offering or FreeBSD.
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I've read lots of comments here about using the moon as a launching point from space. This really makes no sense since the moon contains from little material that's usable for fuel or hardware, very low in metal ores. Sure you require less energy to reach escape velocity from the moon, but you'r going to have to get that stuff up there from Earth in the first place. So when you look at it that way you're actually increasing the energy requirements.
The whole idea of using a jumping off point could by very nicely achieved with the construction of the space elevator. Slow moving on it's way to orbit, but at far lower energy needs and it's a true space jum-off once you are in orbit. Carbon nanotube technology is maturing so quickly that this is something I feel we should wait for. We as a human race could truly usher in the space age, in a meaningful way than just saying 'we got to the moon'.
Why can't we spend all this funding on nanotube research? That holds so much more promise than any re-useable space vehicle system I've ever read about.
If you distrust the science, google it. The space elevator theory is extremely possible, and most scientist think it will happen.
I love how journalists and others like to sit back and criticize these engineers' efforts. They are human, and they will do stupid things. Having been trained as a mechanical engineer (although I mostly do software engineering now), I have some idea of how many calculations have to be made to design even one aspect of a project. I couldn't imagine the complexity of such a system, trying to account for every scenario, making sure agorithms and processes work as planned for ONE mission. No second chances. That we have individuals willing to dedicate the mental efforts to this cause at all is worthy of praise. These people have pride and passion in what they do, and I'm sure they will continue to do their best.
For anyone wanting to yack about poor performance... put your money where your mouth is. I just get sick of all the constant nagging.
The chip won't have ANY data other than "who" you are. And to get any additional data you have to link into the hospital records.
This is actually more unnerving to me than having data stored on the chip itself. If the chip stored the data, then you could be assured that at least you were not 'branded', so to speak, and that only your medical data was available through RFID scanning.
It seems much worse to me to have you instantly identifiable to anyone with an RFID scanner. Forget about not having any data on the RFID!!! Don't you understand that by implanting a unique ID in your body they have effectively made you an extension to any database, that could be created by any business, government, organization or individual with the resources of a scanner and database?!? Understand that your ID is unique in each database but consistent between all... it's not much if a stretch to imagine how easy it would be to hack information from some of these data collectors, especially persons or organizations, who may or may not properly protect the data.
Basically, once they have your unique ID, everything can possibly be opened up to them, all without your consent or knowledge. It's not as if you are handing a cop your license or a waiter your CC, this is something that can be done passively at any location. I'm SURE that this ID would be put to use once there are enought of them to make it a worthwhile corporate investment. Think Walmart and shopping patterns, for starters. Could be scanners implanted in roads, sidewalks of popular tourist sites... doesn't matter that they don't have your name or medical info, that can be produced once they've captured your unique ID.
I'm not trying to scaremonger, but holy shit, this is a door that you should not want opened. The possibilities for abusing this system are almost endless. I understand you argument about not being afraid everywhere you go, but there is also comment sense. I mean it's like your carrying around $1000 in cash and letting it hang out of your pocket, and saying that you are trusting that no one will take it because they shouldn't.
If you're so worried about how unhealthy it is then don't eat it. People are so wrapped up in blaming others for their faults that they don't see the truth. No one is forcing you to eat 1000+ calorie meals. You make the choice and you have to live with the consequences.
I agree wholeheartedly. McDonald's and other fast food vendors only exist because the public supports it with their hard earned dollars. Everyone likes to cry later about how it's everyone else's fault that they are out of shape and unsatisfied with their bodies... it's just childish scapegoating that's somehow gained enormous public approval and support. It's truly mind boggling.
how does Japan manage to stay lightyears ahead of everyone else in wireless?
Because Japan is densely populated on a mall landmass, it's not such a logistical nightmare to have almost all the area covered by high end wireless service. It also can offer a quick market turnaround and a stepping stone into the greater world market.
It doesn't matter to me. Always err on the side of safety. We should make strong efforts to implement clean energy solutions, and find better ways of managing waste, regardless of the findings of this report. I'm sure that our run of this planet has _some_ effect, even if it is exagerated in this report. I hate the attitude of debunking problems of a potentially global magnitude. It is simply unethical to turn a blind eye to problems that we are _unsure_ will arise, but we know that this is _not good_ for us or other species of this planet as a whole.
I think it depends what you are talking about with cost. Although the initial capital investment for nuclear energy is much larger than a thermal plant, the actual cost of 'boiling water' from the nuclear fuel is much cheaper per megawatt than any other means of producing energy from fuel (excluding Hydro/Wind/Solar, however they do not burn fuel to boil water, so I am not counting these). Before you try to debunk, I'll let you know right now that I have worked in energy transmission and I got to see the costs of creating energy per megawatt at least every other day.
Judging by your relatively low slashdot ID number I'm guessing you to be the legit Gavin Roy and not some last minute sign-up pretending to be such. So let me ask you a question: Why was it that you first asked the thread in pgSQL and not here in slashdot? I'm sure you would have been given a story. Just curious...
To further support that point Swanktastic, quoth the article:
The Robot Scientist works in an area of biology known as functional genomics, which is concerned with uncovering the roles that different genes play in the machinery of life. As a test, the system was told to discover how certain genes affect a complex chemical pathway inside yeast cells. The task for the computer, and a common one in biology, was to figure out which genes are involved in which steps of the pathway by testing yeast cells with different genes removed.
The mind of the Robot Scientist is a piece of software, created by King with his colleagues in Manchester, London, and Aberdeen, which forms a hypothesis about which gene is involved in what step of the pathway and then devises an experiment to test the hypothesis.
This computer then sends these commands to a piece of robotic lab equipment, which can select all the appropriate ingredients, including a yeast cell with the appropriate gene removed. The robotic lab equipment can then observe the outcome of the experiment -- whether the yeast cell grows successfully -- and feed the information back to the Robot Scientist's main software, which decides whether the experiment vindicates the hypothesis and then selects a new experiment to learn more.
This is nothing more than a drawn-out iteration, something that the most simple computer algorithms have been doing for decades.
Troll me if you must, but there are things to be said...
To me it is incredible how many intelligent people just want to write off global warming as hysterics. Especially those of us in America and Canada.
Really who cares if this model is skewed? Who cares if it is the worst case scenario and only has a 1% change of happening? Who cares if the earth has a possible 300 year weather cycle of cold/warm spells as someone suggested earlier? The point is that there are billions of us. BILLIONS. We are crowding out other species for food, habitat and even the air we breath.
Although I acknowledge nature and the earth cycles may have a greater role in weather variance than our pollution, I for one refuse to believe that we are admonished and should go on living high on the hog. The fact that so many (especially in this supposedly free-minded community) refuse to take responsibility for environmental damage is sickening. As was noted earlier in a highly moderated post, new species cannot simply pop-up and replace those we have lost.
People, look around. We have so many endangered species it is scary. Do you think that at any other point in history we have had such a number of vanishing species? Highly functioning species at that. From raptors to cats, they are all declining. Do any of you higher-than-average-intelligence people actually believe that this just happens? Do you think that wildlife re-introduction programs are the answer? If you do then you really should rethink. These wildlife programs are akin to applying a children's bandage to a gut-shot. The problem is us. We are too many living with too much waste. We're fat. We eat more than we need to. It's a disgrace. No one wants to change, cause it's uncomfortable. Well, you know what? In another 50 to 100 years, when water is as precious as gold and there are 20 billions of our children or granchildren running around, hungry and thirsting, we will have realized the error of our ways. We need clean energy NOW. We need to stop waste NOW. We need to encourage small family planning NOW. We need to take a look at our selfishness and realize that we are part of a bigger whole, and start living in harmony with it.
Label me as you will, at least I didn't post anonymously.
This makes me think about having each device contain its own driver in firmware. Updating drivers would be a matter of getting the driver from online or disc and flashing some chip onboard that device. Such a system would lock you into one OS since the device would bring it's own driver with it, which could be another reason for microsoft's interest... Just a brain fart.
the technology can be held to ransom by the patent holder.
This is where government and insurance should step in. When a treatment and/or medication is found to be helpful in curing a disease, insurance companies often cover costs and supply the treatment. Price competition is possible once a generic pharmaceutical company pays royalty to produce the same drug/virus. If not I would assume that government would step in on behalf of citizens to make this an affordable treatment, especially if it turns out to be the holy grail of medicine.
I have the feeling that some companies who patent an idea and are unable to put it to any good use just decide to sit on it until others make good use of it. You can't tell me that Optima hasn't heard of Roxio burning software until just lately. It sure seems like they were waiting for some money to come into play, then pursue litigation to cash in. Dirty play.
They only thing that can persuade me otherwise is if Optima started this whole thing back in 2000, and in that case I'll just submit to the RTFA rants.
I realise that this is a bit off topic, so my apologies.
I've been sampling some ogg music, and I must say the quality is excellent. Mercifully, ogg files do not have the same high-pitched "hiss" that is in most mp3's. People say I'm crazy but I swear I can hear it!
I have lately been compressing my music (CD) collection to ogg format. However, does anyone have a good resource/site that offers ogg encoded music? I have no problem paying a small fee for music, I just don't think iTunes offers ogg. Maybe I'm wrong.
Also if anyone can recommend the best ogg capable portable player (bang for buck). Thanks in advance!
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Heh! Yeah... what can I say? As that coverage map shows only the areas close to the river are covered, and the marysville area too. Well, like I said this is a town of 50000, it's small! That coverage map isn't just the 'river' portion of Fredericton... it's pretty much the whole town! :)
I'm on the south side of the river, outside of downtown and I can hit a signal from home.
FYI - It is free. The city receives funds in taxes, parking tickets, fees and dues. Large portions are paid by the downtown businesses, so the city receives these funds every year and they've managed it responsibly enough to be able to afford and offer up this service. I live in a place where I pay taxes... I'm guessing you probably pay taxes too, no?
As far as those not in the valley... how is this any different than, say, your township building a new baseball diamond *just* across town, a little too far for you to use without going out of your way? Same thing... it happens.
I live in Fredericton, New Brunswick, Canada. It's just east of Maine for those who may not be aware. I live in a small city of about 50000 people, and we already have had free wireless public internet for a few years now. It's called the Fred-e-zone.
It's availabe to most as long as you're living close to the valley and not behind some of the hills in town. I just bring my laptop from work, to coffee shop, to home... always connected for free.
People are under the impression that Canada is huge and is sparsely populated. I can tell you that most cities are south by the US border, and only a small portion of Canada actually has people living together densely. It would be easier to build this type of infrastructure here in Canada than it would be in the States I would guess... just because most major cities are along the border.
No... I think that only OT (negative) modding is working for some reason. I've seen this in previous stories as well this morning. Only offtopic is working. Could someone try modding some of these comments overrated as well... I'm curious if that will show.
What a surprise to read some slashdot today and find that sorty posted. I attended UNB Mechanical Engineering and one of my profs actually worked there. I remember doing a course writing 3D control software for movement of a PUMA arm stored in the lab. It's good to see some print for little old New Brunswick, and good to see some benefits for people who've lost limbs.
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Linux, as a desktop offering, is highlty configurable and powerful, yes. However, it has typically sluggish and sloppy desktop 2D performance. It is inconsistent and is, in fact, a pain to use.
Windows is a bit better, but I find the response under heavy load to be very sluggish, and the consistency of desktop apps and interface can be sloppy as well at time.
MacOS X is truly elegant. Easy to use and pleasing to the eye, it makes using a computer a treat. The base system is efficient enough, and in my opinion, is a very stable environment indeed.
Troll me if you want, but I've used Linux since the mid ninties, everything from i386 RPM based systems to a stage 1 built Gentoo box. So don't tell me it's only because I don't know how to use 'em or that I'm using a stock, bloated kernel.
I've given Linux a chance. Hell I've given it years of chances and a days worth of compiling from source on my latest attempt. Guess what? I have winXP on that box now and NO more instance of Linux anywhere. My next PC will be a Mac.
You want a stable machine with free servers, and you don't mind spending some time configuring things... definately get Linux. Otherwise look elsewhere because Linux has nothing to offer the user desktop experience.
Oh, and by the way, I'm a developer by trade. Yes I write software. I still have this complaint about Linux. It's just plain messy. If I went back to a Unix-ish system I'd do the free Solaris offering or FreeBSD.
I've read lots of comments here about using the moon as a launching point from space. This really makes no sense since the moon contains from little material that's usable for fuel or hardware, very low in metal ores. Sure you require less energy to reach escape velocity from the moon, but you'r going to have to get that stuff up there from Earth in the first place. So when you look at it that way you're actually increasing the energy requirements.
The whole idea of using a jumping off point could by very nicely achieved with the construction of the space elevator. Slow moving on it's way to orbit, but at far lower energy needs and it's a true space jum-off once you are in orbit. Carbon nanotube technology is maturing so quickly that this is something I feel we should wait for. We as a human race could truly usher in the space age, in a meaningful way than just saying 'we got to the moon'.
Why can't we spend all this funding on nanotube research? That holds so much more promise than any re-useable space vehicle system I've ever read about.
If you distrust the science, google it. The space elevator theory is extremely possible, and most scientist think it will happen.
I love how journalists and others like to sit back and criticize these engineers' efforts. They are human, and they will do stupid things. Having been trained as a mechanical engineer (although I mostly do software engineering now), I have some idea of how many calculations have to be made to design even one aspect of a project. I couldn't imagine the complexity of such a system, trying to account for every scenario, making sure agorithms and processes work as planned for ONE mission. No second chances. That we have individuals willing to dedicate the mental efforts to this cause at all is worthy of praise. These people have pride and passion in what they do, and I'm sure they will continue to do their best.
For anyone wanting to yack about poor performance... put your money where your mouth is. I just get sick of all the constant nagging.
It's a unique ID tag. That's ALL.
The chip won't have ANY data other than "who" you are. And to get any additional data you have to link into the hospital records.
This is actually more unnerving to me than having data stored on the chip itself. If the chip stored the data, then you could be assured that at least you were not 'branded', so to speak, and that only your medical data was available through RFID scanning.
It seems much worse to me to have you instantly identifiable to anyone with an RFID scanner. Forget about not having any data on the RFID!!! Don't you understand that by implanting a unique ID in your body they have effectively made you an extension to any database, that could be created by any business, government, organization or individual with the resources of a scanner and database?!? Understand that your ID is unique in each database but consistent between all... it's not much if a stretch to imagine how easy it would be to hack information from some of these data collectors, especially persons or organizations, who may or may not properly protect the data.
Basically, once they have your unique ID, everything can possibly be opened up to them, all without your consent or knowledge. It's not as if you are handing a cop your license or a waiter your CC, this is something that can be done passively at any location. I'm SURE that this ID would be put to use once there are enought of them to make it a worthwhile corporate investment. Think Walmart and shopping patterns, for starters. Could be scanners implanted in roads, sidewalks of popular tourist sites... doesn't matter that they don't have your name or medical info, that can be produced once they've captured your unique ID.
I'm not trying to scaremonger, but holy shit, this is a door that you should not want opened. The possibilities for abusing this system are almost endless. I understand you argument about not being afraid everywhere you go, but there is also comment sense. I mean it's like your carrying around $1000 in cash and letting it hang out of your pocket, and saying that you are trusting that no one will take it because they shouldn't.
If you're so worried about how unhealthy it is then don't eat it. People are so wrapped up in blaming others for their faults that they don't see the truth. No one is forcing you to eat 1000+ calorie meals. You make the choice and you have to live with the consequences.
I agree wholeheartedly. McDonald's and other fast food vendors only exist because the public supports it with their hard earned dollars. Everyone likes to cry later about how it's everyone else's fault that they are out of shape and unsatisfied with their bodies... it's just childish scapegoating that's somehow gained enormous public approval and support. It's truly mind boggling.
how does Japan manage to stay lightyears ahead of everyone else in wireless?
Because Japan is densely populated on a mall landmass, it's not such a logistical nightmare to have almost all the area covered by high end wireless service. It also can offer a quick market turnaround and a stepping stone into the greater world market.
It doesn't matter to me. Always err on the side of safety. We should make strong efforts to implement clean energy solutions, and find better ways of managing waste, regardless of the findings of this report. I'm sure that our run of this planet has _some_ effect, even if it is exagerated in this report. I hate the attitude of debunking problems of a potentially global magnitude. It is simply unethical to turn a blind eye to problems that we are _unsure_ will arise, but we know that this is _not good_ for us or other species of this planet as a whole.
I think it depends what you are talking about with cost. Although the initial capital investment for nuclear energy is much larger than a thermal plant, the actual cost of 'boiling water' from the nuclear fuel is much cheaper per megawatt than any other means of producing energy from fuel (excluding Hydro/Wind/Solar, however they do not burn fuel to boil water, so I am not counting these). Before you try to debunk, I'll let you know right now that I have worked in energy transmission and I got to see the costs of creating energy per megawatt at least every other day.
The author of the site has posted an update, just thought you folks would like to know.
Judging by your relatively low slashdot ID number I'm guessing you to be the legit Gavin Roy and not some last minute sign-up pretending to be such. So let me ask you a question: Why was it that you first asked the thread in pgSQL and not here in slashdot? I'm sure you would have been given a story. Just curious...
It isn't America's problem that the majority of mankind lives in poverty. We aren't the worlds police, or nannies.
You are talking about America, aren't you?
To further support that point Swanktastic, quoth the article:
The Robot Scientist works in an area of biology known as functional genomics, which is concerned with uncovering the roles that different genes play in the machinery of life. As a test, the system was told to discover how certain genes affect a complex chemical pathway inside yeast cells. The task for the computer, and a common one in biology, was to figure out which genes are involved in which steps of the pathway by testing yeast cells with different genes removed.
The mind of the Robot Scientist is a piece of software, created by King with his colleagues in Manchester, London, and Aberdeen, which forms a hypothesis about which gene is involved in what step of the pathway and then devises an experiment to test the hypothesis.
This computer then sends these commands to a piece of robotic lab equipment, which can select all the appropriate ingredients, including a yeast cell with the appropriate gene removed. The robotic lab equipment can then observe the outcome of the experiment -- whether the yeast cell grows successfully -- and feed the information back to the Robot Scientist's main software, which decides whether the experiment vindicates the hypothesis and then selects a new experiment to learn more.
This is nothing more than a drawn-out iteration, something that the most simple computer algorithms have been doing for decades.
Troll me if you must, but there are things to be said...
To me it is incredible how many intelligent people just want to write off global warming as hysterics. Especially those of us in America and Canada.
Really who cares if this model is skewed? Who cares if it is the worst case scenario and only has a 1% change of happening? Who cares if the earth has a possible 300 year weather cycle of cold/warm spells as someone suggested earlier? The point is that there are billions of us. BILLIONS. We are crowding out other species for food, habitat and even the air we breath.
Although I acknowledge nature and the earth cycles may have a greater role in weather variance than our pollution, I for one refuse to believe that we are admonished and should go on living high on the hog. The fact that so many (especially in this supposedly free-minded community) refuse to take responsibility for environmental damage is sickening. As was noted earlier in a highly moderated post, new species cannot simply pop-up and replace those we have lost.
People, look around. We have so many endangered species it is scary. Do you think that at any other point in history we have had such a number of vanishing species? Highly functioning species at that. From raptors to cats, they are all declining. Do any of you higher-than-average-intelligence people actually believe that this just happens? Do you think that wildlife re-introduction programs are the answer? If you do then you really should rethink. These wildlife programs are akin to applying a children's bandage to a gut-shot. The problem is us. We are too many living with too much waste. We're fat. We eat more than we need to. It's a disgrace. No one wants to change, cause it's uncomfortable. Well, you know what? In another 50 to 100 years, when water is as precious as gold and there are 20 billions of our children or granchildren running around, hungry and thirsting, we will have realized the error of our ways. We need clean energy NOW. We need to stop waste NOW. We need to encourage small family planning NOW. We need to take a look at our selfishness and realize that we are part of a bigger whole, and start living in harmony with it.
Label me as you will, at least I didn't post anonymously.
This makes me think about having each device contain its own driver in firmware. Updating drivers would be a matter of getting the driver from online or disc and flashing some chip onboard that device. Such a system would lock you into one OS since the device would bring it's own driver with it, which could be another reason for microsoft's interest... Just a brain fart.
the technology can be held to ransom by the patent holder.
This is where government and insurance should step in. When a treatment and/or medication is found to be helpful in curing a disease, insurance companies often cover costs and supply the treatment. Price competition is possible once a generic pharmaceutical company pays royalty to produce the same drug/virus. If not I would assume that government would step in on behalf of citizens to make this an affordable treatment, especially if it turns out to be the holy grail of medicine.
I have the feeling that some companies who patent an idea and are unable to put it to any good use just decide to sit on it until others make good use of it. You can't tell me that Optima hasn't heard of Roxio burning software until just lately. It sure seems like they were waiting for some money to come into play, then pursue litigation to cash in. Dirty play.
They only thing that can persuade me otherwise is if Optima started this whole thing back in 2000, and in that case I'll just submit to the RTFA rants.
"The fingers you have used to dial are too fat. To order a special dialing wand, please mash the keypad with your palm now."
Why was it so tiny? i could barely see anything.
You sound like my girlfriend.
I'm hung like a chipmunk.
My bad, I meant iTunes, the online music store. It doesn't have to be though, any site offering ogg would be helpful.
I realise that this is a bit off topic, so my apologies.
I've been sampling some ogg music, and I must say the quality is excellent. Mercifully, ogg files do not have the same high-pitched "hiss" that is in most mp3's. People say I'm crazy but I swear I can hear it!
I have lately been compressing my music (CD) collection to ogg format. However, does anyone have a good resource/site that offers ogg encoded music? I have no problem paying a small fee for music, I just don't think iTunes offers ogg. Maybe I'm wrong.
Also if anyone can recommend the best ogg capable portable player (bang for buck). Thanks in advance!