If you allow scripting on your server, then you've essentially given your users shell access, anyway.
you have to remember that with openbsd, apache runs in a jail which when set up right limits the user to only the php functions which are currently enabled on the system (in the php case), without the ability to call (exec) other programs. Bundle that with a firewall running on the local machine limiting what traffic can be passed out (by states obviously, so it can't originate on the local machine and send out via port 25 for example) can be very effective against attacks, and mitigating problems if someone can get into the system (everyone should make sure that they know how to find people if they do get into the system in the first place though).
Although, as your original statement says, any vulnerability should be addressed very seriously, and my response above does not make it alright to forget about these situations.
second point, this is not a console. It is a dev. kit. If you think that $2000 is a lot of money for a dev kit, please take a look at your sony/xbox devkit, then prepare to mortgage your house and sell your first born.
remember that the ps1's processor was also dubbed the emotion engine (I have it right here in a copy of next generation from 99), this didn't last long, guess they liked the name and made a bigger deal of it when the ps2 came around. Also, I don't think you quite understand what the original poster meant by "system spec's", I believe that he was reffereing to the amount of ram dedicated to the sound processor, how many channels can be used for operation X, and not how many fps doom3 can get with option X,Y, and Z enabled.
I could care less about how this wave of systems will go, I'm thinking I'll end up with a revolution. I bought a PS2 about 18 months ago, and used it about 10 times.... maybe I'm just getting too old for this stuff.
You mean that we can bash apple and still come out 5 insightful on/., damn, where have I been these years. Anyways, that was just a joke, I actually do like apple, I will recommend them to any application which they aceel at (like as my parents computers or for people that I know that would enjoy them). But, as the son of a professional photographer and a member of the Photographic Marketing Association, I really have to agree with Ars Technica about this. I have been waiting for a product like this to come out for to long now to deal with high quality RAW digital images, and when I heard about this product I read everything about it and thought that it would kill Kodak and Nikons RAW imaging programs (Nikon Capture included). Unfortunatly, when I read this artice, apple missed some absolutely critical applications with there software, I was stunned when I saw the banding (or what looked like banding) on the images. I am fully in agreement with Ars about this article by the evidence that he has shown, and I will delay recommending this program to people who can use it until apple fixes there problems. Although, I'd like to get this in my hands so I can do some testing on it.
Anyways, just to the apple fanboys, I know where you're coming from, hey, I've been like that when I was younger about various things too, but please, just realise that it hurts apples images when you become to one sided in many situations, such as turning people away because you won't hear the other side of the argument. Also, it will give a higher entropy of information to valued posts if you stop posting.
Why will the Cell be huge in the HDTV market? what makes you think this, because it can decode some stupid amount of HD streams at the same time, well, I don't know about you, but I could give a shit about that, I don't personally know one person which can watch more than one tv show at the same time. ok, sure there's PVR users and sure they will want to tape a show and watch another at the same time, ok, so there you have it, 2 streams at the same time. Seriously, by the time the cell comes out you'll be able to buy a $59 celeron which can do anything for AV that you'd want to do with the cell aside from rendering 3D graphics. I'm really sorry to say it, but is seems as though sony as thrown you the bone, and you've grabbed it and ran with it. Seriously, that happened to me with the emotion engine, I thought it was going to be the next big thing, I was waiting to buy a PC with it in it, but it never happened. Oh yeah, also, tell me what million products the cell will be in, I really want to know. Also, I HIGHLY doubt that IBM is going to scrap their POWER 5 line of processors for the cell, the cell isn't meant for server computer, it's meant for gaming, plain and simple. I will be surpised (shit my pants in a store suprised) if I ever see the cell in a computer.
Anyways, whatever, like I said, I hope that they prove me wrong, but they've mis-directed me in the past, and I'm quite certain this will end up in the same avenue.
just like sony said that the "Emotion Engine" (The CPU of the PS2) would be used in many other products that they were making 5 years ago. The Cell is made for games, sure it can do a lot more, but it's main market is gaming. Another chip, more suitably designed to its application is bound to come out next year which will be mass produced, and cheaper for the specific equipment (maybe a onboard H.264 encoder for a PVR for example) and all of a sudden the Cell is a PS3 only product, just like the "Emotion Engine" is a PS2 only product. Trust me, go 5 years back on slashdot and you will see the same postings regarding the Emotion Engine as what you have posted about the Cell. Something kind of funny, I was reading a next generation magazine the other week from 1997 and sony was calling the processor of the PSX the "Emotion Engine", anyways, I guess it didn't catch on initally for the PSX and they needed a buzzword for the PS2 and just used it again.
just my 2 cents, I really hope they the cell will be cheap enough for other devices, but I find it unlikely given past history.
At my old workplace, which was internet support for over 6000 hotels, everyone reffered to Access Points as WAP's, so it all depends on where you come from, I haven't heard the term AP in a while now thinking about it.
the problem with canadians is we don't go to war with other countries without NATO's permission, we _ARE_ respected as travellers around the world.
the problems with Americans is that they fuck up to much, so much to the point that we as a backpacker, we have to put a canadian flag patch on our backpacks so that people will respect us like the respectull people we are, and not as ignorant slobs.
I'm sorry, but yes, this had to come out. Plus, we have more culture than the states could only dream of, I guess a lot of it comes from the fact that we didn't kill all the natives when we came to the country. Actually it's very parallel in similarites to what you're doing to iraq now, some cultures (people) just never learn.
well, to tell you the reason why I went is because I knew a really hot chick that went to guelph (I'm from BC), so when I saw uoguelf there, well, I just went because it reminded me of her. (Oh boy does that sound creepy). Anyways, as off topic as this is, I really should end this post.
As I remember (I could be wrong) but the GC uses a variation of the G4, no the G3. Also, it will only be sony that will use the cell processor, as sony has dumped billions (quite littarily) into the design along with hitachi and IBM, I do no think sony would be happy if other companies reaped the same benfits of the processor without spending the money for the design. But yes, they will all be (most likely) powerpc based. This means tons of porting will be possible, very easily, but I wouldn't hold my breath for emulation. I also don't think that a Mac will be able to emulate these systems easily, that is like saying that it would be a sinch the emulate XBOX on a PC, which it is clearly not. It will also not be possible to emulate one of these systems on another one, there are too many architectural differences, just think about back in the day with 3DFX specific games, and if you wanted to play them with another card you would have to get a wrapper, which would have immense overhead to operate properly. You can be assured that even though the CPU's will be similar for architectural reasons, the GPU's (or graphic cards) will be VERY different, ATI, NVIDIA, and uncle bob's variant.
I'm a student, and got on shaw's student package the beginning of the year. Anyways, I pay 20 dollars cdn a month and get a 10Mbit connection (I have actually exceeded 1MB/s in downloads), and I have about 512Kb up. This can be upgraded to Extreme for another 10 dollars I believe, to a 30Mbit connection (eXtreme connection as they call it), but I have no use for that. I have no problems with Shaw for reliability, I believe it's been down once for 2 hours in the last year, and there's no port blocking (unlike Telus, the DSL provider here).
ummm, what are you talking about, openbsd is using the fish (puffy is his name?). and has been since early 3.0 releases (I think 3.1). Personally, I think that the fish is much better than the flag. So all three distro's are unique now in terms of icons.
First off, BSD people like their operating systems because they are reliable, consistent, tried tested and true. And yes, there is a market for reliable systems ( *suprise*, I am not making this up, and linux is not as reliable as most people think for many applications) Second off, BSD code is VERY clean, linux is a mess, you look at some code in the kernel and have to wonder wtf it is, BSD code is extremely clean and efficient compared to linux. third, I'm not one for licenses, but some people like the licenses bsd offers more than the GPL. Fourth, some bsds (Open comes to mind) like to keep all their stuff open, this is why OpenBSD is not yet supporting the ultrasparc III, it's not because they can't, they just won't sign the papers to sparc because they only use open specs on their system.
Saying that Linux is better than BSD's is one of the most ignorant things people can say, there is a place for everything, and these people put it into BSDs, not because of their ego, because that is their preference. It's like me telling you to drive a Honda instead of a Ford because it is simply ahead of it's time (actually, yes this point is true, hehe).
a couple more things, Apple picked a BSD os for their kernel because they wanted something that was tried and tested and worked best for them, they didn't say, hey, lets go BSD without looking into it.
Take your head outta your ass and take a good smell around because there is more in the world than linux, and for good reason.
yes, I am a post debian and not currently a Gentoo nut, but there are reasons why people still use Debian. For it's STABILITY, and the fact that there stable trees are very stable. Gentoo is great for obviously you and me who use linux as a desktop environment and don't care about up times much, but I've had many problems with gentoo after updating packages, going to the extreme of hours on end of trying to fix things up which I shouldn't have to. This is something that shouldn't be, and hence the good reason why debian is still a great distro, just in a different way.
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I know that this is going to be marked as a troll, but.... ok, good for Max Lyons for doing this, but is this really news? seriously, if this picture should be worthy of anything, it should be that of a contest, not the fact that it is a gigapixel picture. anybody can do what he did (maybe not as artistically). I have access to a couple 6-MP SLR cameras, does this mean that I can take many pictures of a wall or something else which doesn't change over time with the camera positioned perfectly; write up a program to stitch a ton of these pictures together, and then post something on the interent about being the first person to create a 1 terapixel (I know that this is getting near impossible with a 6-MP camera, also, I'd need a big freaking wall with a good macro lens). Not that this picture isn't nice, but what it's being posted for in my opionion is just stupid. Once they get a 1-GP camera, that will take my attention, but somebody just stitching pictures together isn't anything special.
Seth McFarland is still employed by fox, actually, there was very good suspition that a new show that he was creating (American dad, do a google search for it) was going to air as early as sept. of next year, although with all this happening now, I wouldn't be suprised to see American dad get dropped in turn of family guy getting picked back up.
Yes, this is what confused me, I am the original poster, and I have not been everywhere, but have been to New Zealand, Australia, throughout south east asia, carribean, through the states, and through all the UK, and live in canada. And I didn't quite understand the ',' notation, although I do now realize after various people posted that I have not yet been everywhere and that some places do write unfamiliar notation with currencies. Hrmmm, well, news to me.
US$ 350.00 - A little bit of money, but waste of time US$ 350,000 - A lot of money, well worth the lawsuit US$ 35,000 - A fair bit, still worth the lawsuit
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If you allow scripting on your server, then you've essentially given your users shell access, anyway.
you have to remember that with openbsd, apache runs in a jail which when set up right limits the user to only the php functions which are currently enabled on the system (in the php case), without the ability to call (exec) other programs. Bundle that with a firewall running on the local machine limiting what traffic can be passed out (by states obviously, so it can't originate on the local machine and send out via port 25 for example) can be very effective against attacks, and mitigating problems if someone can get into the system (everyone should make sure that they know how to find people if they do get into the system in the first place though).
Although, as your original statement says, any vulnerability should be addressed very seriously, and my response above does not make it alright to forget about these situations.
just my two cents
Here is a video (qt) from Jonathan Schaeffer on the same subject
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http://westgrid.ca/downloads/archive/webcast_0601
also, other westgrid/coasat to coast videos can be found at
http://westgrid.ca/media_events.html
first off, you missed the first
second point, this is not a console. It is a dev. kit.
If you think that $2000 is a lot of money for a dev kit, please take a look at your sony/xbox devkit, then prepare to mortgage your house and sell your first born.
I'm all about that cowboyneal shiat
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remember that the ps1's processor was also dubbed the emotion engine (I have it right here in a copy of next generation from 99), this didn't last long, guess they liked the name and made a bigger deal of it when the ps2 came around.
Also, I don't think you quite understand what the original poster meant by "system spec's", I believe that he was reffereing to the amount of ram dedicated to the sound processor, how many channels can be used for operation X, and not how many fps doom3 can get with option X,Y, and Z enabled.
I could care less about how this wave of systems will go, I'm thinking I'll end up with a revolution. I bought a PS2 about 18 months ago, and used it about 10 times.... maybe I'm just getting too old for this stuff.
You mean that we can bash apple and still come out 5 insightful on /., damn, where have I been these years.
Anyways, that was just a joke, I actually do like apple, I will recommend them to any application which they aceel at (like as my parents computers or for people that I know that would enjoy them).
But, as the son of a professional photographer and a member of the Photographic Marketing Association, I really have to agree with Ars Technica about this. I have been waiting for a product like this to come out for to long now to deal with high quality RAW digital images, and when I heard about this product I read everything about it and thought that it would kill Kodak and Nikons RAW imaging programs (Nikon Capture included). Unfortunatly, when I read this artice, apple missed some absolutely critical applications with there software, I was stunned when I saw the banding (or what looked like banding) on the images. I am fully in agreement with Ars about this article by the evidence that he has shown, and I will delay recommending this program to people who can use it until apple fixes there problems. Although, I'd like to get this in my hands so I can do some testing on it.
Anyways, just to the apple fanboys, I know where you're coming from, hey, I've been like that when I was younger about various things too, but please, just realise that it hurts apples images when you become to one sided in many situations, such as turning people away because you won't hear the other side of the argument. Also, it will give a higher entropy of information to valued posts if you stop posting.
Why will the Cell be huge in the HDTV market? what makes you think this, because it can decode some stupid amount of HD streams at the same time, well, I don't know about you, but I could give a shit about that, I don't personally know one person which can watch more than one tv show at the same time. ok, sure there's PVR users and sure they will want to tape a show and watch another at the same time, ok, so there you have it, 2 streams at the same time. Seriously, by the time the cell comes out you'll be able to buy a $59 celeron which can do anything for AV that you'd want to do with the cell aside from rendering 3D graphics.
I'm really sorry to say it, but is seems as though sony as thrown you the bone, and you've grabbed it and ran with it. Seriously, that happened to me with the emotion engine, I thought it was going to be the next big thing, I was waiting to buy a PC with it in it, but it never happened.
Oh yeah, also, tell me what million products the cell will be in, I really want to know. Also, I HIGHLY doubt that IBM is going to scrap their POWER 5 line of processors for the cell, the cell isn't meant for server computer, it's meant for gaming, plain and simple. I will be surpised (shit my pants in a store suprised) if I ever see the cell in a computer.
Anyways, whatever, like I said, I hope that they prove me wrong, but they've mis-directed me in the past, and I'm quite certain this will end up in the same avenue.
just like sony said that the "Emotion Engine" (The CPU of the PS2) would be used in many other products that they were making 5 years ago. The Cell is made for games, sure it can do a lot more, but it's main market is gaming. Another chip, more suitably designed to its application is bound to come out next year which will be mass produced, and cheaper for the specific equipment (maybe a onboard H.264 encoder for a PVR for example) and all of a sudden the Cell is a PS3 only product, just like the "Emotion Engine" is a PS2 only product. Trust me, go 5 years back on slashdot and you will see the same postings regarding the Emotion Engine as what you have posted about the Cell. Something kind of funny, I was reading a next generation magazine the other week from 1997 and sony was calling the processor of the PSX the "Emotion Engine", anyways, I guess it didn't catch on initally for the PSX and they needed a buzzword for the PS2 and just used it again.
just my 2 cents, I really hope they the cell will be cheap enough for other devices, but I find it unlikely given past history.
At my old workplace, which was internet support for over 6000 hotels, everyone reffered to Access Points as WAP's, so it all depends on where you come from, I haven't heard the term AP in a while now thinking about it.
and all this time I was thinking that it was 101010
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cowboyneal rocks!
the problem with canadians is we don't go to war with other countries without NATO's permission, we _ARE_ respected as travellers around the world.
the problems with Americans is that they fuck up to much, so much to the point that we as a backpacker, we have to put a canadian flag patch on our backpacks so that people will respect us like the respectull people we are, and not as ignorant slobs.
I'm sorry, but yes, this had to come out.
Plus, we have more culture than the states could only dream of, I guess a lot of it comes from the fact that we didn't kill all the natives when we came to the country. Actually it's very parallel in similarites to what you're doing to iraq now, some cultures (people) just never learn.
well, to tell you the reason why I went is because I knew a really hot chick that went to guelph (I'm from BC), so when I saw uoguelf there, well, I just went because it reminded me of her. (Oh boy does that sound creepy). Anyways, as off topic as this is, I really should end this post.
your article is good, yes. But your website is broken and plainly sucks.
As I remember (I could be wrong) but the GC uses a variation of the G4, no the G3. Also, it will only be sony that will use the cell processor, as sony has dumped billions (quite littarily) into the design along with hitachi and IBM, I do no think sony would be happy if other companies reaped the same benfits of the processor without spending the money for the design. But yes, they will all be (most likely) powerpc based. This means tons of porting will be possible, very easily, but I wouldn't hold my breath for emulation. I also don't think that a Mac will be able to emulate these systems easily, that is like saying that it would be a sinch the emulate XBOX on a PC, which it is clearly not. It will also not be possible to emulate one of these systems on another one, there are too many architectural differences, just think about back in the day with 3DFX specific games, and if you wanted to play them with another card you would have to get a wrapper, which would have immense overhead to operate properly. You can be assured that even though the CPU's will be similar for architectural reasons, the GPU's (or graphic cards) will be VERY different, ATI, NVIDIA, and uncle bob's variant.
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1% is still a LOT with large numbers.
I'm a student, and got on shaw's student package the beginning of the year. Anyways, I pay 20 dollars cdn a month and get a 10Mbit connection (I have actually exceeded 1MB/s in downloads), and I have about 512Kb up. This can be upgraded to Extreme for another 10 dollars I believe, to a 30Mbit connection (eXtreme connection as they call it), but I have no use for that.
I have no problems with Shaw for reliability, I believe it's been down once for 2 hours in the last year, and there's no port blocking (unlike Telus, the DSL provider here).
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ummm, what are you talking about, openbsd is using the fish (puffy is his name?). and has been since early 3.0 releases (I think 3.1). Personally, I think that the fish is much better than the flag. So all three distro's are unique now in terms of icons.
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ARE YOU KIDDING ME. This is a horrible post.
First off, BSD people like their operating systems because they are reliable, consistent, tried tested and true. And yes, there is a market for reliable systems ( *suprise*, I am not making this up, and linux is not as reliable as most people think for many applications)
Second off, BSD code is VERY clean, linux is a mess, you look at some code in the kernel and have to wonder wtf it is, BSD code is extremely clean and efficient compared to linux.
third, I'm not one for licenses, but some people like the licenses bsd offers more than the GPL.
Fourth, some bsds (Open comes to mind) like to keep all their stuff open, this is why OpenBSD is not yet supporting the ultrasparc III, it's not because they can't, they just won't sign the papers to sparc because they only use open specs on their system.
Saying that Linux is better than BSD's is one of the most ignorant things people can say, there is a place for everything, and these people put it into BSDs, not because of their ego, because that is their preference. It's like me telling you to drive a Honda instead of a Ford because it is simply ahead of it's time (actually, yes this point is true, hehe).
a couple more things, Apple picked a BSD os for their kernel because they wanted something that was tried and tested and worked best for them, they didn't say, hey, lets go BSD without looking into it.
Take your head outta your ass and take a good smell around because there is more in the world than linux, and for good reason.
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the genesis / mega drive ALREADY has blast processing, why the hell would you want / need anything faster!
Stupid people, marketing is where it's at.
PS, Cowboyneal RULES!!!!!!!!!!
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I'll believe a KDE app is lightweight as soon as that next duke nukem game comes out.
This ones for you cowboyneal
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yes, I am a post debian and not currently a Gentoo nut, but there are reasons why people still use Debian. For it's STABILITY, and the fact that there stable trees are very stable. Gentoo is great for obviously you and me who use linux as a desktop environment and don't care about up times much, but I've had many problems with gentoo after updating packages, going to the extreme of hours on end of trying to fix things up which I shouldn't have to. This is something that shouldn't be, and hence the good reason why debian is still a great distro, just in a different way.
/me almost forgot
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there are 10 type of people in this world, one's that repeat a stupid joke over and over, and one's that learn that it is freaking retarded and never use it... oh yah, I am funny because I spelt 10 in binary.....
I know that this is going to be marked as a troll, but....
ok, good for Max Lyons for doing this, but is this really news? seriously, if this picture should be worthy of anything, it should be that of a contest, not the fact that it is a gigapixel picture. anybody can do what he did (maybe not as artistically).
I have access to a couple 6-MP SLR cameras, does this mean that I can take many pictures of a wall or something else which doesn't change over time with the camera positioned perfectly; write up a program to stitch a ton of these pictures together, and then post something on the interent about being the first person to create a 1 terapixel (I know that this is getting near impossible with a 6-MP camera, also, I'd need a big freaking wall with a good macro lens).
Not that this picture isn't nice, but what it's being posted for in my opionion is just stupid. Once they get a 1-GP camera, that will take my attention, but somebody just stitching pictures together isn't anything special.
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CowboyNeal, this posts for you!
-isolenz
Seth McFarland is still employed by fox, actually, there was very good suspition that a new show that he was creating (American dad, do a google search for it) was going to air as early as sept. of next year, although with all this happening now, I wouldn't be suprised to see American dad get dropped in turn of family guy getting picked back up.
Yes, this is what confused me, I am the original poster, and I have not been everywhere, but have been to New Zealand, Australia, throughout south east asia, carribean, through the states, and through all the UK, and live in canada. And I didn't quite understand the ',' notation, although I do now realize after various people posted that I have not yet been everywhere and that some places do write unfamiliar notation with currencies. Hrmmm, well, news to me.
-isolenz
The way I look at this
US$ 350.00 - A little bit of money, but waste of time
US$ 350,000 - A lot of money, well worth the lawsuit
US$ 35,000 - A fair bit, still worth the lawsuit
BUT WHAT THE HELL IS US$ 350,00
-isolenz
there's nothing better than reading something one day, and then getting a refresher again the next day... hey, and there's all new posts now too!!!
cowboyneal rocks!!!!!
-isolens