Density? I don't think that has really increased any. For as long as Humans have been on earth, I don't recall ever hearing where we could not grab hold of solid objects, or times when people were walking around in buildings and just suddenly 'floated' through the floor...
Now, if your talking about our destiny, well, then things start to make more sense.. =]
How about *gasp* finding out what your potential customers are wanting to do with such a huge link and doing your best to simulate what they will be doing?
So, I don't need some guru to come in and charge me $100 an hour to build me a Linux LAN when I can go to the classified ads and get some Windows jerk for $30 an hour to leave me with the same results. Before you furrow your brow and ask if I really want that guy building my network, consider the scenario. If it was a database build, a web development project or something hard, then no, but that guy is more than qualified to meet the needs of a vast, vast majority of true small businesses. From what I've seen, the ubiquitous that guy doesn't exist in the UNIX world.
You haven't been looking at the High School(s) in your area, have you? There are MANY 'geek' kids that will be:
1) More than mature enough to handle a job such as this 2) More than knowledgable enough to handle a job such as this 3) More than willing to work at $30 (or less) an hour 4) More than willing to work as above for the EXPERIENCE later in life.
Give up. You are making a mountian out of a mole-hill. We have several businesses in our town of 17k people (and a few, even smaller, surrounding towns) setup with a linux server/windows workstation or linux server only situation and they are doing just fine. We even have one office (of a charity, which probably helped sell the idea, but still) with a couple linux workstations and a small (and very old) linux server doing filesharing, printer sharing, internet, backup (to CD's using arson), etc. Sure, it took them a day to find where the icons were, and because they weren't used to it, we had to tell them that "Mozilla" is the web browser, but they picked up quite quickly on the rest of it. They use a simple OO spreadsheet to keep track of donations and write any letters they need.
Of course, the company I worked for donated most of the labor, but nothing I've mentioned in this post is so hard that a high-school kid couldn't have taken care of it.
Of course, you'll argue that a high-school kid can't work during business hours, and you'd be right, but there are plenty that have just graduated and are going to whatever college is local to you (or that are even living at home with the parents) that would fit the bill.
I guess my point is that GOOD help is not as hard to find or as expensive as you'd like everyone to think.
I didn't even read more than about 40 or so posts in this story/thread/whatever.. Geez what a bunch of cry-babies.
Is it really that hard to wait for those die-hards that have Squid/whatever setup to visit some of the sites, grab the servers they are being served from, then post the list somewhere so the rest of us can add it to our hosts file? I'll be doing this myself with the sites I visit personally... 'course, I may just get lazy and wait for someone else to post a list.. Depends on my mood.. =]
Nothing to see here.. Move along...
(Guess my post goes along with those "in 10 minutes, someone will look through this, figure a way around it, and post the info", but I think.. well... I'm rambling/ranting too much.. =]
I think the key to the desktop is preloaded machines by big-vendor being available at retail stores. Only when the vendors have a stake in the success of Linux will they make sure that the peripherals state on the box that "it runs on Linux".
I don't think so. Having both Windows 98 and OS/2 installed (with a menu that comes up on first boot that allowed the user to pick which to use right out of the box) didn't help IBM when they did this with their computers. A bunch of IBM PC's at Best Buy used to have the option. Was a long time ago, but...
I did this once when I lived in SoCal. I actually wasn't speeding, though. My tire locked up (driver-side rear) when I hit the brakes to stop at a red light (I later found out that there was a ton of dirt that had stuck to all the leaking brake fluid that was leaking out of the part that pushes the shoes against the drum - this caused the tire to lock up all the time, and very easily). The cop, who was going west to east (I was going from north to south) just "assumed" I was speeding and pulled me over, etc. I called the police department, found out when he was on vacation, scheduled my court case for the middle of his vacation, and got out of the ticket.
Man was I pissed when I got there. The judge wanted my side of the story anyway - and when I produced documentation (and pictures) showing what was wrong, and that I fixed the problem, he said that even if the cop WAS there, he'd throw the case out anyway.
I agree. I think this is very important for Linux. If they played it up and ran humorous BSOD ads on TV proclaiming their switch, other "level headed business people" would probably group them with the zealots and wackos (us).
Yea, but if IBM did, you'd see the back of a monitor, and some people standing in front of it with a dumbfounded 'OMG, my computer went 'beep beep boop beep beep' and ate my MS document' look on their face, but we'd never get to see what was actually on the screen...
It gets funny because sometimes I live in other cities for work purposes, but sometimes he still messages me at night, telling me to manage the internet connection and I have to remind him that I'm not even at home.
If this isn't the biggest reason for people to get off their lazy asses and go talk to eachother, I don't know what is.
I realize I'm late to this topic, but I figured I'd post my two cents anyway... This is slashdot, afterall. =]
Roughly a year and a half ago I was drinking anywhere from 12 to 24 12 ounce cans of MD a *day*. I never had any problems going to sleep at night but I had major problems waking up the next morning. I never drank MD for the caffeine; I actually like the taste of it. It never seemed to give me 'more energy' after I drank a can. It never helped me 'think more clearly' after a can. I just liked the stuff.
As time went on, I was having more and more trouble waking up in the morning. I was at a point where I was waking up more tired than when I went to bed. It was getting to where I'd get up and be at work by 08:00 and home by 17:30. I'd usually fall asleep on the couch by 20:00 (after having eaten something for dinner) and wake up to my alarm the next day, still tired.
I finally went to see a doctor by that point and found that not only did I have mono (which explains the seemingly sudden tired feelings I had right after work, no matter how much MD I would drink), but the amount of caffeine I was taking in each day was preventing me from getting the REM sleep I needed, if I ever entered REM sleep mode at all (or so my doctor told me. It's all greek to me). Anyway, I just stopped drinking anything that had caffeine. I took any of the 12 packs of MD I had back to the store and exchanged it for Caffeine Free MD. I now drink that, and many other caffeine free soads that are on the market (Pepsi's Nu Grape, Orange Slice, etc).
I never suffered from any of the headaches I was told I would have. After only a week without caffeine, I was able to tell a difference in the morning when I woke up. I felt so much better. After all this time (about a year and a half, or so.. time flies so fast these days) I might have one or two sodas a week that have caffeine, but no more. I've never been a coffee or tea guy, so I never had to worry about either of those.
I don't know why I didn't suffer the headaches. Nor does my doctor. I guess I was just lucky. Dunno.
Guess I'm done rambling now.. Thanks for reading.. =]
Yes it does, eventually. Any culture that travels in space, even at sublight speed, and builds colonies and expands exponentially and could have explored the galaxy in its entirety in a few tens of millions of years at most, according to most models of growth. The Earth is thousands of millions of years old.
But your assuming that they actually lasted a few tens of millions of years.
The problem of why ET would not have visited us is a serious one (the Fermi Paradox), and is a compelling argument for SETI being a waste of time. Lack of visits implies that either there are ETs out there and not one of them is even slightly interested in space flight (the entire galaxy could be colonised at sublight speeds within tens of millions of years), or that there are none there at all.
So, then, there is no possibility that they came by, saw us, decided that either we weren't ready for a visit (which I believe personally - not that they came by already, but that we aren't ready), or that they came by and throught we weren't technologically ready for the visit, or? Why does it half to be that they simply aren't interested in space travel or aren't there at all, and that's it? Why can there not be any other possibilities?
Basically you are saying we should go to church and pray to some deathcult-deity instead of listening for radio waves from outer space. Somebody did a nice mind-job on you....
That's because they start them out when they are very young. Gives them plenty of time to screw them up so that we have to deal with them later in life.
This guy reminds me of a.sig I saw on one of/.'s articles a while back..
"Religion is a crutch for the weak minded"
I knew, when I saw a thread about SETI, that it wouldn't take me long to see someone telling us how useless it is to search for the LGM's but that we should instead believe in whatever god they believe in.. Just amazing..
Your still thinking in today's terms. IF Linux were to get to the status where it is equal to Windows, it is logical to assume that the apps for linux would get there as well.
In that situation, it would be stupid for a company to use ONLY Windows on their products and ignore Linux.
I may not have worded my last post very well, but that is what I was trying to get at.. =]
If this ever happends, which seems reasonable, I beleive it will be the software and hardware venders who decide who will win. IMHO, this is why I feel that Linux will always be the underdog in the Desktop enviroment. MS has been in the game to long, and has a lot of ties with SW & HW companies to create support and drivers.
I hate to tell you, but any business that chooses to install Windows over Linux on their computers just because "Windows has been inthe game too long", will go out of business.
In case you forgot, businesses are in 'the game' to make profit. So, what makes more profit? We have two, basically equal, OS's. We will half to assume that IF Linux were to get to this status, not only would there be a far larger installed base than now, but better apps that people would be happy with. Ok. I'm Big Computer Reseller, CO. Which do I choose? Pay (for example), $90 for every Windows OS I put on each of my computers, and pass that (and more for my proffit) to my customers, or do I use Linux, free, and have that $90 more proffit without having to raise the cost of the machine much more?
To think a business would ONLY use Windows is to indicate you to be a very poor business man, at the very least.
This would probably be what you want. Stick an 56k modem on it, set it to keep the line open, and you can keep your IM's and whatnot open. Of course, without high speed, you can't listen to any good radio stations (I've, as of late, been listening to frequence3), but what do you expect for 56k? Hehehe.. I was using the 8 port version of this untill it died. I got hold of a discontinued D-Link DI-704, but the SMC will do exactly what you want, without high-speed.
Gentoo will, by default, use whatever the latest "stable" version is (if you can really call any version of anything *nix stable, as it's always changing).. Anyway.. You half to edit/etc/make.conf and add in ACCEPT_KEYWORDS="~arch" (where arch is PPC, x86, etc). This tells it to use unstable, bleeding edge versions of the software. I don't know why they chose "ACCEPT_KEYWORDS" except that it's not well marked and will keep most noobs away from it.
Anyway, Gentoo insists on using stable first. You must tell it to use unstable software.
Thanks for not being all "high and mighty" like the person who first responded to me.. =]
Only one gigantic hole remains in your arguement. It's not portage's fault that the merge process is slow. It's GCC's and the fact that the software your tring to install has to actually BUILD.
Well, I keep trying to find the spot where I mentioned that I thought Gentoo was faster than Debian at anything, let alone installing. Wait. That's right. I didn't. I only mentioned it's install tool.
I don't even recall stating it was faster than apt. Wait... Wait.. yea. I didn't say anything about that at all.
What I *DID* say is that Debian isn't the only distro with good package management.
Crawl back into your little hole. Your not welcome here. Same goes for the moron that moderated you Insightful.
Why, of course we'll decode it. Then, we'll find the instructions to build a capsule of some sort. Well, of course all the governments will go bankrupt (or very close) building it for it to get sabotaged by some idiot. Then, an odd and insanely rich person will decide to build one in secret so that they can carry out the test... wait.. I think I've seen this all somewhere before...
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It's even mandatory these days to install a rain water reservoir for new houses (here at least).
Where is "here"?
Just wondering...
Density? I don't think that has really increased any. For as long as Humans have been on earth, I don't recall ever hearing where we could not grab hold of solid objects, or times when people were walking around in buildings and just suddenly 'floated' through the floor...
Now, if your talking about our destiny, well, then things start to make more sense.. =]
How about *gasp* finding out what your potential customers are wanting to do with such a huge link and doing your best to simulate what they will be doing?
I dunno... Just may work!
So, I don't need some guru to come in and charge me $100 an hour to build me a Linux LAN when I can go to the classified ads and get some Windows jerk for $30 an hour to leave me with the same results. Before you furrow your brow and ask if I really want that guy building my network, consider the scenario. If it was a database build, a web development project or something hard, then no, but that guy is more than qualified to meet the needs of a vast, vast majority of true small businesses. From what I've seen, the ubiquitous that guy doesn't exist in the UNIX world.
You haven't been looking at the High School(s) in your area, have you? There are MANY 'geek' kids that will be:
1) More than mature enough to handle a job such as this
2) More than knowledgable enough to handle a job such as this
3) More than willing to work at $30 (or less) an hour
4) More than willing to work as above for the EXPERIENCE later in life.
Give up. You are making a mountian out of a mole-hill. We have several businesses in our town of 17k people (and a few, even smaller, surrounding towns) setup with a linux server/windows workstation or linux server only situation and they are doing just fine. We even have one office (of a charity, which probably helped sell the idea, but still) with a couple linux workstations and a small (and very old) linux server doing filesharing, printer sharing, internet, backup (to CD's using arson), etc. Sure, it took them a day to find where the icons were, and because they weren't used to it, we had to tell them that "Mozilla" is the web browser, but they picked up quite quickly on the rest of it. They use a simple OO spreadsheet to keep track of donations and write any letters they need.
Of course, the company I worked for donated most of the labor, but nothing I've mentioned in this post is so hard that a high-school kid couldn't have taken care of it.
Of course, you'll argue that a high-school kid can't work during business hours, and you'd be right, but there are plenty that have just graduated and are going to whatever college is local to you (or that are even living at home with the parents) that would fit the bill.
I guess my point is that GOOD help is not as hard to find or as expensive as you'd like everyone to think.
Well, in THAT case, you and your horse of a mo(droped connection)...
I didn't even read more than about 40 or so posts in this story/thread/whatever.. Geez what a bunch of cry-babies.
.. well... I'm rambling/ranting too much.. =]
Is it really that hard to wait for those die-hards that have Squid/whatever setup to visit some of the sites, grab the servers they are being served from, then post the list somewhere so the rest of us can add it to our hosts file? I'll be doing this myself with the sites I visit personally... 'course, I may just get lazy and wait for someone else to post a list.. Depends on my mood.. =]
Nothing to see here.. Move along...
(Guess my post goes along with those "in 10 minutes, someone will look through this, figure a way around it, and post the info", but I think
...is why they are called the "Secret Service" when they aren't, well, secret...
=]
I think the key to the desktop is preloaded machines by big-vendor being available at retail stores. Only when the vendors have a stake in the success of Linux will they make sure that the peripherals state on the box that "it runs on Linux".
I don't think so. Having both Windows 98 and OS/2 installed (with a menu that comes up on first boot that allowed the user to pick which to use right out of the box) didn't help IBM when they did this with their computers. A bunch of IBM PC's at Best Buy used to have the option. Was a long time ago, but...
I did this once when I lived in SoCal. I actually wasn't speeding, though. My tire locked up (driver-side rear) when I hit the brakes to stop at a red light (I later found out that there was a ton of dirt that had stuck to all the leaking brake fluid that was leaking out of the part that pushes the shoes against the drum - this caused the tire to lock up all the time, and very easily). The cop, who was going west to east (I was going from north to south) just "assumed" I was speeding and pulled me over, etc. I called the police department, found out when he was on vacation, scheduled my court case for the middle of his vacation, and got out of the ticket.
Man was I pissed when I got there. The judge wanted my side of the story anyway - and when I produced documentation (and pictures) showing what was wrong, and that I fixed the problem, he said that even if the cop WAS there, he'd throw the case out anyway.
Interesting waste of time there... =[
I agree. I think this is very important for Linux. If they played it up and ran humorous BSOD ads on TV proclaiming their switch, other "level headed business people" would probably group them with the zealots and wackos (us).
Yea, but if IBM did, you'd see the back of a monitor, and some people standing in front of it with a dumbfounded 'OMG, my computer went 'beep beep boop beep beep' and ate my MS document' look on their face, but we'd never get to see what was actually on the screen...
Here's a better idea for a cheap 'beacon' - fill a bladder with a bunch of flourescent dye, then when it disappears you look for the big splat.
That's even more dumb than adding the 'black box'. For the amount of ink you'd need, it'd be heavier than the 'black box'.
Add to that, if we can't even see the splat mark the lander could leave as it is now, what makes you think we'd be able to see the dye any better?
Just my two cents..
It gets funny because sometimes I live in other cities for work purposes, but sometimes he still messages me at night, telling me to manage the internet connection and I have to remind him that I'm not even at home.
If this isn't the biggest reason for people to get off their lazy asses and go talk to eachother, I don't know what is.
What is this world coming to?
Oh come on. Don't you think your being just abit Overly Critical, Guy?
=]
I realize I'm late to this topic, but I figured I'd post my two cents anyway... This is slashdot, afterall. =]
Roughly a year and a half ago I was drinking anywhere from 12 to 24 12 ounce cans of MD a *day*. I never had any problems going to sleep at night but I had major problems waking up the next morning. I never drank MD for the caffeine; I actually like the taste of it. It never seemed to give me 'more energy' after I drank a can. It never helped me 'think more clearly' after a can. I just liked the stuff.
As time went on, I was having more and more trouble waking up in the morning. I was at a point where I was waking up more tired than when I went to bed. It was getting to where I'd get up and be at work by 08:00 and home by 17:30. I'd usually fall asleep on the couch by 20:00 (after having eaten something for dinner) and wake up to my alarm the next day, still tired.
I finally went to see a doctor by that point and found that not only did I have mono (which explains the seemingly sudden tired feelings I had right after work, no matter how much MD I would drink), but the amount of caffeine I was taking in each day was preventing me from getting the REM sleep I needed, if I ever entered REM sleep mode at all (or so my doctor told me. It's all greek to me). Anyway, I just stopped drinking anything that had caffeine. I took any of the 12 packs of MD I had back to the store and exchanged it for Caffeine Free MD. I now drink that, and many other caffeine free soads that are on the market (Pepsi's Nu Grape, Orange Slice, etc).
I never suffered from any of the headaches I was told I would have. After only a week without caffeine, I was able to tell a difference in the morning when I woke up. I felt so much better. After all this time (about a year and a half, or so.. time flies so fast these days) I might have one or two sodas a week that have caffeine, but no more. I've never been a coffee or tea guy, so I never had to worry about either of those.
I don't know why I didn't suffer the headaches. Nor does my doctor. I guess I was just lucky. Dunno.
Guess I'm done rambling now.. Thanks for reading.. =]
Yes it does, eventually. Any culture that travels in space, even at sublight speed, and builds colonies and expands exponentially and could have explored the galaxy in its entirety in a few tens of millions of years at most, according to most models of growth. The Earth is thousands of millions of years old.
But your assuming that they actually lasted a few tens of millions of years.
The problem of why ET would not have visited us is a serious one (the Fermi Paradox), and is a compelling argument for SETI being a waste of time. Lack of visits implies that either there are ETs out there and not one of them is even slightly interested in space flight (the entire galaxy could be colonised at sublight speeds within tens of millions of years), or that there are none there at all.
So, then, there is no possibility that they came by, saw us, decided that either we weren't ready for a visit (which I believe personally - not that they came by already, but that we aren't ready), or that they came by and throught we weren't technologically ready for the visit, or? Why does it half to be that they simply aren't interested in space travel or aren't there at all, and that's it? Why can there not be any other possibilities?
Basically you are saying we should go to church and pray to some deathcult-deity instead of listening for radio waves from outer space. Somebody did a nice mind-job on you....
.sig I saw on one of /.'s articles a while back..
That's because they start them out when they are very young. Gives them plenty of time to screw them up so that we have to deal with them later in life.
This guy reminds me of a
"Religion is a crutch for the weak minded"
I knew, when I saw a thread about SETI, that it wouldn't take me long to see someone telling us how useless it is to search for the LGM's but that we should instead believe in whatever god they believe in.. Just amazing..
=]
Your still thinking in today's terms. IF Linux were to get to the status where it is equal to Windows, it is logical to assume that the apps for linux would get there as well.
In that situation, it would be stupid for a company to use ONLY Windows on their products and ignore Linux.
I may not have worded my last post very well, but that is what I was trying to get at.. =]
If this ever happends, which seems reasonable, I beleive it will be the software and hardware venders who decide who will win. IMHO, this is why I feel that Linux will always be the underdog in the Desktop enviroment. MS has been in the game to long, and has a lot of ties with SW & HW companies to create support and drivers.
I hate to tell you, but any business that chooses to install Windows over Linux on their computers just because "Windows has been inthe game too long", will go out of business.
In case you forgot, businesses are in 'the game' to make profit. So, what makes more profit? We have two, basically equal, OS's. We will half to assume that IF Linux were to get to this status, not only would there be a far larger installed base than now, but better apps that people would be happy with. Ok. I'm Big Computer Reseller, CO. Which do I choose? Pay (for example), $90 for every Windows OS I put on each of my computers, and pass that (and more for my proffit) to my customers, or do I use Linux, free, and have that $90 more proffit without having to raise the cost of the machine much more?
To think a business would ONLY use Windows is to indicate you to be a very poor business man, at the very least.
No. It's a Monorail. See this site for more information. They also talk about MagLev monorails.
See this site for technical information on Disney's Monorail.
This would probably be what you want. Stick an 56k modem on it, set it to keep the line open, and you can keep your IM's and whatnot open. Of course, without high speed, you can't listen to any good radio stations (I've, as of late, been listening to frequence3), but what do you expect for 56k? Hehehe.. I was using the 8 port version of this untill it died. I got hold of a discontinued D-Link DI-704, but the SMC will do exactly what you want, without high-speed.
Hope that helps.. =]
I'm here to correct you... :)
/etc/make.conf and add in ACCEPT_KEYWORDS="~arch" (where arch is PPC, x86, etc). This tells it to use unstable, bleeding edge versions of the software. I don't know why they chose "ACCEPT_KEYWORDS" except that it's not well marked and will keep most noobs away from it.
Gentoo will, by default, use whatever the latest "stable" version is (if you can really call any version of anything *nix stable, as it's always changing).. Anyway.. You half to edit
Anyway, Gentoo insists on using stable first. You must tell it to use unstable software.
Thanks for not being all "high and mighty" like the person who first responded to me.. =]
Only one gigantic hole remains in your arguement. It's not portage's fault that the merge process is slow. It's GCC's and the fact that the software your tring to install has to actually BUILD.
Try again.
Well, I keep trying to find the spot where I mentioned that I thought Gentoo was faster than Debian at anything, let alone installing. Wait. That's right. I didn't. I only mentioned it's install tool.
I don't even recall stating it was faster than apt. Wait... Wait.. yea. I didn't say anything about that at all.
What I *DID* say is that Debian isn't the only distro with good package management.
Crawl back into your little hole. Your not welcome here. Same goes for the moron that moderated you Insightful.
Why, of course we'll decode it. Then, we'll find the instructions to build a capsule of some sort. Well, of course all the governments will go bankrupt (or very close) building it for it to get sabotaged by some idiot. Then, an odd and insanely rich person will decide to build one in secret so that they can carry out the test... wait.. I think I've seen this all somewhere before...