Director's Lingo is interpreted from a token stream, From what I understand, a lot of Java is as well. These languagesw have been "fast enough" for years now.
On today's computers, I'm sure this language will be fast enough.
If you've read the link, these idiots are being irresponsible top level members of the community. Inexcusable that such negligence is allowed to go on. Why does it take 5 years(!) to get them to clean up their act and comply to respectible operational procedure for such an influential company.
Set up a loop in a program that can reproduce this noise. Get a microphone and move it around the computer to try and determine where the noise is coming from. Try turning the brightness of the screen down to help isolate the component causing the problem. Once you have an idea which component is causing the noise, you can help determine the cause.
It's really simple. We have earthquakes here. Water is a precious resource here. We have floods and landslides here. Land starts burning here after months of no rain. Before building on land, a geological survey must be done to see if it is safe to build because of all of the above. The potential for fraud and exploitation here are rather high.
If that's not enough to make you not want to move to California, last week I saw gas prices at 2.40 a gallon in San Francisco.
"I code AND I bathe." It's a slogan for the new millenium!
It amazes me just how many coders or software professionals do not understand the power regular showers and GOOD DEODERANT. I mean if you want people to talk to you, you shouldn't reek like a bridge troll - no matter how well you code.
First, you shouldn't have gotten modded to a 0 on that reply. Bad moderator.:[
I think that "where" scripting langs are used is important.
If you are going to use a batch script, an applescript or a perl script to convert a buncha media to another format, then I'd feel that you're taking proper advantage of one of the scripting lang's benefits.
If you're going to code a speed dependent part of your core code in an interpreted/tokenized scripting language, then I'd question your approach.
BUT if the execution speed of the scripting language is "fast enough" for what you are doing and all other constraints are satisfied, then it should be seriously open for consideration.
I've done a long term (decade long) examination of whether I should do this.
1) If I'm to go to a bar and meet girls, I can't think like a geek. Not on the first date anyway. Life outside of code has worth too.
2) Thinking like C++or javascript isn't comforting. It MAY be efficient when putting down the code BUT when dealing with a multitude of abstract concepts that I must implement, I find that I get the most and best work done when "it" can be expressed with the least mental overhead on my part. I get a better design and I get it faster since it comes more naturally.
3) Debugging. We've been thinking in English for much longer than we've been thinking in code. When I revisit my code to fix lame crap, looking at it in an english manner makes me get it SO MUCH faster. I need not interpret what I coded, it makes sense more naturally. More self documenting.
4) Other people must use my foundation classes/libraries therefore it behoves me to make my code as naturally explanatory as possible. Even including multiple layers if possible.
5) Some people are GREAT at multiple syntaxes and abstract concepts. Others are more creative and artistic and rather poor at abstraction. From what I have seen, with the Lingo scripting language in Director is that it allows people from both skill types to get in and get complicated work done. I happen to be a mix of both, not stellar in either of the abilities. Where C++ was daunting to me, where pascal and javascript looked like it was made for geeks to confuse normal people, Lingo was close to the way I already thought. It provided a bridge into advanced complex concepts (OO design, etc). Now in Lingo I can use object.property but ya know, it just doesn't feel right and when I code foundation classes, what I'm doing has GOT to feel right or I'll produce material that (for many reasons) is not suitable and I can't afford that risk.
Um, if you live in the United States and the company exists in the United States and they send you spam then they are open for prosecution. If they hired a foreign company to do the sending, it is still the company in the US that is responsible right?
I've brought the point mentioned in the top blurb that "some apps can be developed faster in scripting langs" to the forefront in our company. I code in Director's Lingo scripting lang and by using Director as opposed to C++, we have a 2 x improvement in the time required to create our products. That is, we are now 2 x faster at creating our apps.
From a personal point of view, I think in English, not C++ or javascript. Complex syntax rules generally induce voilent convulsions in my tiny little brain. If a syntax follows the way I think, then I code my projects faster since I don't have to stumble over an obtuse sytax. Now, lingo supports "the property of object" and object.property - so we have a verbose syntax and a dot syntax. Though the dot syntax takes less keystrokes, the verbose is a dream to debug (for me) because I can read it like reading a sentence. it instantly makes sense. This makes me wonder why more languages do not support multiple syntaxes.
In case you're wondering, with this scripting language I've been able to create robust libraries (foundation classes) so the fact that it is not a "real" programming language is pretty moot to us. We have a C++ guy. Now, if he can only learn to create Director Xtras...
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Oh ya, changing the cooling mechanism helps my Tibook run cooler too! Especially when I'm emulating 2048 processors and prefetching n to the 8th pipelines.
We all seem to know this. The problem is the MS based society. Macs almost never got viruses. (I know, I used to hunt them). Unix and Linix and the Mac have much better security than Windows. Now that the Mac has a stable OS, these crappy MS based machines should be replaced with Unix, Linux or a Mac.
In the office, I use win 98 and slOwS X (OS X). We got hit with the Opaserv (srv32) virus recently on 98 and it is amazing just how bad and hackable the 98 codebase is and just how much time can be wasted when a pervasive virus gets into your system. This thing sits and incubates over months and then hacks though your c Share with a password exploit. Password exploit! So much for password protecting my win box.
These fools simple HAVE to move away from MS. If baffles me. How much money and time do we have to lose before people realize that windows is a 1/2 assed solution that is dangerous to rely upon?
Now that the MS guy is our internet security chief, we're in great shape right? (Sarcasm)
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Director's Lingo is interpreted from a token stream, From what I understand, a lot of Java is as well. These languagesw have been "fast enough" for years now.
On today's computers, I'm sure this language will be fast enough.
If you've read the link, these idiots are being irresponsible top level members of the community. Inexcusable that such negligence is allowed to go on. Why does it take 5 years(!) to get them to clean up their act and comply to respectible operational procedure for such an influential company.
Roast em.
It's such a shame that Christ wasn't born at the time the Library was burned.
All those maurading Christians with no one to follow.
Such a shame.
I know some director coders who were getting this error and couldn't track it down. Hopefully, this is the issue.
To whomever caught it, good catch!
Is it just me or did the main character get into Cher's wig collection?
Spoooky.
Set up a loop in a program that can reproduce this noise. Get a microphone and move it around the computer to try and determine where the noise is coming from. Try turning the brightness of the screen down to help isolate the component causing the problem. Once you have an idea which component is causing the noise, you can help determine the cause.
It's not a 100% guarantee that it is the LCD.
It's really simple. We have earthquakes here. Water is a precious resource here. We have floods and landslides here. Land starts burning here after months of no rain. Before building on land, a geological survey must be done to see if it is safe to build because of all of the above. The potential for fraud and exploitation here are rather high.
If that's not enough to make you not want to move to California, last week I saw gas prices at 2.40 a gallon in San Francisco.
HAH! No kidding. You got me. I'd love to have a spell checker for posting in a browser to /. or any of the web pages.
When I worked at Macromedia, we worked with two people who failed to understand the concept of "you really really stink - get out of my cube".
Scary
"I code AND I bathe." It's a slogan for the new millenium!
It amazes me just how many coders or software professionals do not understand the power regular showers and GOOD DEODERANT. I mean if you want people to talk to you, you shouldn't reek like a bridge troll - no matter how well you code.
Aw man! Now who are we gonna get to pull em apart now that they're all tangled up.
Sheesh. I start the thread and get a 0 for it being off topic but the folks who reply get modded up.
No justice I tells ya. None.
So what happened during your life?
I was on the IRC talking to a guy in Berlin from my Massachusetts college library when he told me "they're getting ready to take the wall down."
Two days went by before it was on CNN.
When we're old and gray, hopefully we'll all know the magnificance of the times we lived in.
Yes, I know this is OT.
First, you shouldn't have gotten modded to a 0 on that reply. Bad moderator. :[
I think that "where" scripting langs are used is important.
If you are going to use a batch script, an applescript or a perl script to convert a buncha media to another format, then I'd feel that you're taking proper advantage of one of the scripting lang's benefits.
If you're going to code a speed dependent part of your core code in an interpreted/tokenized scripting language, then I'd question your approach.
BUT if the execution speed of the scripting language is "fast enough" for what you are doing and all other constraints are satisfied, then it should be seriously open for consideration.
Changing the way you think?
Sounds easy doesn't it?
I've done a long term (decade long) examination of whether I should do this.
1) If I'm to go to a bar and meet girls, I can't think like a geek. Not on the first date anyway. Life outside of code has worth too.
2) Thinking like C++or javascript isn't comforting. It MAY be efficient when putting down the code BUT when dealing with a multitude of abstract concepts that I must implement, I find that I get the most and best work done when "it" can be expressed with the least mental overhead on my part. I get a better design and I get it faster since it comes more naturally.
3) Debugging. We've been thinking in English for much longer than we've been thinking in code. When I revisit my code to fix lame crap, looking at it in an english manner makes me get it SO MUCH faster. I need not interpret what I coded, it makes sense more naturally. More self documenting.
4) Other people must use my foundation classes/libraries therefore it behoves me to make my code as naturally explanatory as possible. Even including multiple layers if possible.
5) Some people are GREAT at multiple syntaxes and abstract concepts. Others are more creative and artistic and rather poor at abstraction. From what I have seen, with the Lingo scripting language in Director is that it allows people from both skill types to get in and get complicated work done. I happen to be a mix of both, not stellar in either of the abilities. Where C++ was daunting to me, where pascal and javascript looked like it was made for geeks to confuse normal people, Lingo was close to the way I already thought. It provided a bridge into advanced complex concepts (OO design, etc). Now in Lingo I can use object.property but ya know, it just doesn't feel right and when I code foundation classes, what I'm doing has GOT to feel right or I'll produce material that (for many reasons) is not suitable and I can't afford that risk.
Good topic. I like the discussion.
Cheers,
Um, if you live in the United States and the company exists in the United States and they send you spam then they are open for prosecution. If they hired a foreign company to do the sending, it is still the company in the US that is responsible right?
I've brought the point mentioned in the top blurb that "some apps can be developed faster in scripting langs" to the forefront in our company. I code in Director's Lingo scripting lang and by using Director as opposed to C++, we have a 2 x improvement in the time required to create our products. That is, we are now 2 x faster at creating our apps.
From a personal point of view, I think in English, not C++ or javascript. Complex syntax rules generally induce voilent convulsions in my tiny little brain. If a syntax follows the way I think, then I code my projects faster since I don't have to stumble over an obtuse sytax. Now, lingo supports "the property of object" and object.property - so we have a verbose syntax and a dot syntax. Though the dot syntax takes less keystrokes, the verbose is a dream to debug (for me) because I can read it like reading a sentence. it instantly makes sense. This makes me wonder why more languages do not support multiple syntaxes.
In case you're wondering, with this scripting language I've been able to create robust libraries (foundation classes) so the fact that it is not a "real" programming language is pretty moot to us. We have a C++ guy. Now, if he can only learn to create Director Xtras...
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You must be kidding. I added three monitors to my mac once just to see if it could be done.
Turn off machine. Insert cards, connect monitors and plugs. Turn all on, reboot, arrainge the monitors in the monitors control panel.
That's it.
To me, this defines 'ease of hardware configuration".
You must be referring to the infamous BSOD.
Blue Screen Of Death.
All Hail Bill.
Oh ya, changing the cooling mechanism helps my Tibook run cooler too! Especially when I'm emulating 2048 processors and prefetching n to the 8th pipelines.
Because it is quite silly that the readers do a better job than the editors at spotting the dups.
One would assume that the editors/posters would read their web site before jumping the gun.
And by CB Neal no doubt! For shame! For shame!
(Zav ducks, Zav runs)
Could you then tell me what this is good for? I have less than no idea.
We all seem to know this. The problem is the MS based society. Macs almost never got viruses. (I know, I used to hunt them). Unix and Linix and the Mac have much better security than Windows. Now that the Mac has a stable OS, these crappy MS based machines should be replaced with Unix, Linux or a Mac.
In the office, I use win 98 and slOwS X (OS X). We got hit with the Opaserv (srv32) virus recently on 98 and it is amazing just how bad and hackable the 98 codebase is and just how much time can be wasted when a pervasive virus gets into your system. This thing sits and incubates over months and then hacks though your c Share with a password exploit. Password exploit! So much for password protecting my win box.
These fools simple HAVE to move away from MS. If baffles me. How much money and time do we have to lose before people realize that windows is a 1/2 assed solution that is dangerous to rely upon?
Now that the MS guy is our internet security chief, we're in great shape right? (Sarcasm)
Cheers,
We used to use PAM (canola oil) in a tube ith a barbeque igniter.
Worked like a charm.
Will someone please tell me just what "free as in beer" means?