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America's Army on Linux
jojor writes "It seems that icculus.org has gotten America's Army to run under Linux, as this screenshot will attest. America's Army is UT based and free (as in beer). More games for Linux, yippeh!" Awesome. I consider America's Army to be one of the best things my government has funded within recent history.
I aggree it is a great game, but shouldn't the government be putting that money to better use? I meen it's just a recruiting tool isn't it?
You did.
Serious Sam (first and second) encounter has also been ported. Medal of honor as well. There's also supposed to be another surprise today, BF1942?
Hail to the king, baby!
It is based off of the Unreal 2 engine, it is not based off of the game Unreal Tournament.
Yes! Immagine all that money being used on education, safety of healthcare instead of being used as some military recruitment/propaganda toy. WHAT A WASTE THAT WOULD BE!
Note: Not a troll, nor a flame. Might be hard to see the difference in this case but I'm actually serious, heh.
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It's a recruitment tool for the imperial forces. And It's a terrible game. Keep it away from linux.
Maybe they can stop those evil-DDoS-doers!
When I first read this I thought "now, I can understand the slashdot linux zealots talking about Microsoft doing evil things against Linux, but the US army?"
:)
And then I debated, should I check "post anonymously" or not...
(no karma bonus was a no brainer...)
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I wish there were some instructions as of how to do this as I didn't find anything on their site...
Could someone shed some light on this?
Though most of the slashdot community may not agree with this, I think this is another sign that playing violent video games hardens the player and desensitizes him to violence. (Disclaimer: I play plenty of UT and Quake3)
I've heard several comments (on TV) from veteran soldiers that have worked with the younger generation of recruits about this. Many feel that many of the new recruits do not have any remorse or feeling for the other soldiers or the innocents in battle. However, most of the comments were talking about soldiers during the gulf war, before the John Carmack revolution...
Granted, correlation does not imply causation; but even I can tell that I have been desensitized to violence to some degree.
First it was the Iraqis, then it was the North Koreans, now we have to worry about the fucking Armericans? And they're already running combat simulations on Linux? Shit, guess it's time to go hide out in Montarna or Nevarda or something.
Being an avid AAO Player, and an avid linux user, I'm glad to hear that someone has gotten the client running under Linux. As exciting as that is, I'm more disappointed that the linux server software hasn't been released to the public yet....*sigh
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Slightly off-topic, so mod me down if you wish.
It's weird that after a billion years of human evolution, we still solve conflicts by killing each others. The only thing that has evolved is the method used.
I think it's sad that young people are encouraged to kill other people, and the army even sends out computer games to recruit people!
Why not spend more money on *preventing* war, in stead of *fighting* war?
There should be an political army as well as a millitary army, but then again, it won't be so "fun" to not be able to kill other human beings.
-"Killing people with bow and arrow is primitive. Killing people with nuclear bombs is civilized."
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So where's the instructions? Does this article have a point? I mean it mentions that someone got the game going but that's it.
"Worst article ever"
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US Population: roughly 350 million Cost of developing the game: $7 million Your share: $0.02
Wouldn't it be nice if money went to schools and the air force had to have a bake sale to buy a bomber?
I wondered if it was Al-Qaeda or the North Koreans that liked pound cake...
No, definitely not a flame, but not entirely accurate either. I wholeheartedly agree that more money should be spent o education (maybe then my spelling wouldn't be so atrocious {sp?}). But as it stands, the gov't already spends millions of dollars in military recruitment. All those commercials you seee on tv don't come cheap. And all the free t-shirts, water-bottles, etc. that they give out around the US cames at a price. Recently, the Navy came over my high school and brought along a hydrolic flight simulator. As you can imagine, it smelt like ass by the end of the day and recruited no one. Long story short, the gov't should spend more on education and the likes, but it's not happening anytime soon (just look at that retarded missle defense (is that an 's' or a 'c') system we're building. In contrast, however, the game didnt cost much to develop and little to maintain. And more importantly, its proven to be an excellent recruitment tool. All in all, this is one of the wisest decisions the systems made in a good while (in my opinion anywho). Plus, I love the game ^_^
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Like the SA, the SD, and the SS of the Third Reich?
Oh yeah, great idea, that.
If you're lucky, sometimes the threat of force is enough to prevent an attack. If not, you do what you have to and you do it decisively. Look, I appreciate your views and however you arrived at them. You have good intentions.
Unfortunately, there are enough fractured souls in this world who will stop at nothing to lash out, often violently, and sometimes catastrophically. There always will be. Blame it on the human condition.
As shitty a deal as it was for those Japanese who suffered the atomic bombs at the tail end of WWII, something important bloomed from it. We understood just how destructive we as humans can be. And so far while ideologies, politics, and cultures have clashed, the civilized world at least has enjoyed a mostly peaceful, prosperous time. It took a while and a bunch of lives in Korea, Vietnam, and Afghanistan to name a few to get where we are now, but right now ain't so bad.
Can you imagine what it would be like if the third world, the Middle East, all of Africa, and some spots across Asia join the fold? I can, I really can, and what a great time that will be. But we'll never get there watching on the sidelines. When the world can rid itself of despot rulers and give people like the Iraqis a future beyond Saddam Hussein's despotic predestination, we'll be closer to preventing war than anyone can imagine.
hmmm, you really should calculate based on the tax paying public, not the population. although the point remains the same.
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Let us not forget that Americas Army Ops and Soldier are costing us less than a single main battle tank! We go thru lots of those every year due to non-combat incedents, so trust me this is cheap.
My personal opinion? How much is it worth to you to teach your **future soliders** proper movement techniques and command and control at the squad level. These techniques keep our soldiers alive, and the soldiers of the future our currently our children.
Note that this game has zero gore.
I'd hardly call this a simulation... This is one sloppy game if you've actually played it... Counterstrike a truely free mod is far better.
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That's what law and lawyers are for. Think about it. 99% of the stuff people go to civil litigation for nowadays is stuff that might have resulted in a duel in the past. Encroachment on property? Bang. Breached contract? Bang. Fraud, deceit, misappropriation of village wheat. Bang.
Now we just sue the hell out of each other and nobody gets killed.
Nation states evolved from the personal fiefdoms of kings, but, at some point, the rule of law stopped counting. Oh, that's right, presidents and kings aren't bound by law.
My bad.
I can only think of a few reasons people look forward to the day they can fight for their country.
1) Prove their worth. "My father fought. My grandfather fought. It's my turn to become a Man."
2) Honor and glory. There's a lot of propaganda about that. Most of it, actually. Fight for honor and glory. Of course, there are people who have pointed out flaws in that thinking, too.
At worst you are the murderer when you kill, and at best the dispenser of justice - a hangman of nations. There is no honor in that.
3) To bring our viewpoints to other nations.
I've heard this one a lot. We need to "teach" those ignorant morons about life by killing some of them.
4) To dispense justice.
A nation is doing horrible things to itself, our nation, or other nations who can't defend themselves, and we must stop it from happening.
Actually, I've never heard anyone actually SAY the last one and hope for war. It's not a very good reason to hope for. Numbers 1-3 are selfish reasons. But I think that explains most of it.
Let me say, though, that everyone that I know who is in the military and DOESN'T want to kill people or go to war has given me reason #4 for why they might have to eventually.
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Normally comments like that should be flamebait, but that really was very funny. Mod that one up!!
Hey so you think that this part of the Military's grand plan Orson Scott Card style? I mean, it would be great if they could hook up, say, a team of Special Forces soldiers to a computer in a way that some 12-year-old kid, you know, one of those kids with lightning-sharp reflexes, direct the troops. A human-warrior simulator, to be precise, and this kid, well, we all know how good little kids can be at video games, right?
The game is perfect for mindless windows drones, that give excelent don't-ask-why soldiers.
The place for linux users will be in the strategy field, and soon Army will release a Linux only strategy war game for us.
"I consider America's Army to be one of the best things my government has funded within recent history."
That explains a fukking well why the rest of the world thinks america is nothing more that a bunch of violent loonies. Thanks!
A moron with Linux still is a moron.
Nobody else seems to have commented on this, so I will. Has anyone noticed that on one of the desert missions you play the American's and of course you must fight the "terrorists" who are obviously arab. It's pretty sick that our tax payer dollars are being used to promote these racist ideals. They encourage children to play these games, and we all know that a lot of the people playing are very young. Does anyone else see something wrong with calling arabs terrorists and letting you be an American that kills them in a tax payer funded game. What are we teaching our children here? I wrote a letter complaining a while back but received no response. I hope that others out there will complain to the dev team and have the racism removed from the game.
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In fact, I would encourage you to develop this idea and post it on k5.
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I spent all weekend downloading it and finally got it to run under windows. But alls I could do was use the shooting range. It was slow and buggy and crashed every few minutes.
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The first thing I noticed on the game was the rating in the lower left corner of the screenshot. Rated T for teen. Blood and Violence.
This struck me as amusing. Since that's all it said, it could easily be read as saying that "this is especially recommended for teens, since it contains blood and violence."
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...that you always get to play as the Americans.
It's a networked multiplayer thingy - and when *YOU* play, you
are always "the good guys" - so who is out there playing "the
bad guys" ?
The answer is that both sides *think* they are playing the
good guys - but the graphics show you as a US soldier and your
opponent as some kind of terrorist or something...one man's "Protect
the Diplomat on the way to the peace conference" is another man's
"Free the Kidnapped Diplomat before he's executed".
What's more subtle is that all the high-tech weaponry that you
have is also being used by your competition! Not exactly
a realistic situation in "the real world".
Aside from that, I think this is a VERY dubious way to attract
testosterone-laden video-game-addicted teenagers into the military
- and I'm horrified that taxpayers are shelling out for this.
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I commend you on your logic (seriously) but its been disproven before. Some folks you might want to check with on this: Christ, Ghandi, Dr. King, His Holiness the Dalai Lama, the people that followed them.
As for the "punch in the face" there are even whole systems of martial art designed to combat a punch in the face that don't involve punching back.
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see i live in mass, usa, and cuz of thing called money the next morning i wake up and start up my car and get on the roads to the highways... i come to a very bad driving experiance ...it seems the state did not dispatch any salt-twellers after the snow finished. well now i ask why?.... cuz the state has no money.... how the hell does that happen cuz U.S.A ain't that poor.. but u know what they got lotta $$$ to spend on shit while no money for real pppl tryin to make a livin and payin da f**kin tax that fuels this countrys reserve.... and whoever da f*** said this country made gr8 innovation... well arsehole all the gr8 inventors are born somewhere else in europe or in asia or in africa or south america.. and the govt. makez a swell use of them by usin my f**kin tax money.. so be sure what u talkin abt wen sayin this country makes good inventionz... E.G > linus torsvald is frm europe not america .. FYI.... and now he is beein used by $$$ to make more gr8 sh*tz.. try beein born somewhere where the poverty is buddy... ur just lucky beein born here given all da oprtunity.. so have some sympathy for ppl overseas.. who have done nothing wrong but tried to make a livin...
you would probably be funding some bureacrats pocket. people like you need to step up to reality.
What about this image, then - does it imply that we've got Solaris 9 running under Linux?
Right.
I don't say that it's 100% certain that they haven't got the game Americas Army running under Linux, but what about actually getting someone to comment this as well? Some news source or something?
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When you meet a follower of the current US administration's doctrine: 1. Punch him in the face as hard as you can 2. As long as he hasn't fallen to the ground repeat step 1 3. Tell him that it was necessary to punch him because otherwise he might have punched you or gained the abilitry to punch you in a few years 4. When he is getting up again, this shows that you were right, the likelihood of him punching you in the future rises again. Therefore continue with 1. Repeat all this until he admits that the idea of pre-emptive strikes was not meant to be used by anyone else, is actually the same like the "right" of the stronger and doesn't make sense as a general principle.
Awesome. I consider America's Army to be one of the best things my government has funded within recent history.
Funny, I would have thought that the internet would have been one of the best things funded by the goverment in recent history...
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Ah, well. You don't care about my problems any way.
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sed -e 's/punch in the face/damage or disable opponent/'
But you can't gain ground without doing damage, or disabling your opponent. So all you can enforce is the status quo.
As for your examples, two of them were killed, and only through wars and acts of civil disobedience were their causes furthered.One is in exile only protected but the might of the country he is in. And one was protected by the threat of outside military forces or revolution.
Do you honestly think that passive resistence would ever work without the threat of military action or civil disobedience? The whole premise of passive resistance is predicated on the fact that at some level *someone* will protect them. Or that they will become martyrs and start a revolution.
350 million people divided by 7 million dollars equals 2 cents per person.
Is our children learning?
I won't even do it. No Soviet Russia jokes.
I think the last thing that this country needs is a bunch of political officers running around.
As for the anti-war sentiment, life is cheap. I can't tell you how cheap, as I can't remember offhand the dollar value that various auto manufacturers put on a single life when calculating whether or not to send out recalls.
That's the way 'it is'. Should it be that way? Depends on who you ask. Does it have to be that way? Until medical science advances a hell of a lot further, yes, it does. The need for conflict is part of humanity. We thrive on it.
As for preventing war, the US is trying to do just that. Stow the 'Waah Dubya is going mad with power!' party line. We went to Somalia to prevent war. We went to Bosnia to prevent war. The Middle East is one seething craphole of violence, and we've been in and out of there trying to prevent war.
Guess what? People die when you try to prevent wars, and sometimes, war comes anyway. So it has since the dawn of time, and so it will as long as there are pretty rocks and shiny metals to lust after.
"Repeat all this until he admits that the idea of pre-emptive strikes was not meant to be used by anyone else, is actually the same like the "right" of the stronger and doesn't make sense as a general principle. "
Of course it does not - one has to follow well tested and proven model of World War 2 where millions where slaughtered before people were able to stop Hitler.
Of course an initial preventive war was contemplated in 1936-7 by Poles by they were refused help from ( guess who ) French and....
the rest is history.
has anyone who has read this article tried to run this under linux yet, and have they had any luck? there seems to be nothing on icculus except the screenshot. I tried to wine the installer, but it choked. this news item would have been much more worthwhile if it included some kind of procedure for getting it to work (isntall on a windows machine, and copy over the binaries, then wine?)
Why should you "fight on more than two Iraq-sized fronts at the same time"?
Ah, censorship. It will make you look like an Dummkopf every time...
Are you willing to die tomorrow? Think real hard about it. Because that's what war is.
That screenshot attests to the fact that there is a picture of America's Army main menu on a Linux box. That doesn't mean the game runs or runs well. Always the skeptic.
I would be interested in hearing more from people who have actually tried to run it.
Serious Sam the First encounter is in beta - the second isn't available linux yet (but they are working on it).
Medal of Honor? I've heard about a linux server but not a linux client. Do you have any info to back this up?
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next year, instead of that new powerbook, i want THAT!!
My problem? I was perfectly gruntled, until some numbnuts came by and dissed me.
A million posts about politics (with +5's all over the place), but this one *which is on topic*, is at the bottom (with a score of 1)!
I too want to know how they did it - I find *nothing* on the site other than the screenshot...
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This isn't just a recruiting tool. The military is spending more money in computer aided training, and have been spending money on having games developed for the PC since the days of DOOM. The marines had a mod made with the DOOM engine years ago to help train its troops. Everyone here complains how the government spends money and we don't see anything in return, well this game serves 3 purposes. Recruitment, training tool for troops, and the public gets a fun game to play even if they are not interested in signing up.
I'll go out on a limb here and say that this was probably the best spent tax money I've seen in quite a while.
Let's be good sheygetz and go die for Israel!
The propaganda may be good, but no thanks. Death to all insane religions & their followers!
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Okay you code monkey jar heads I know you are reading these posts, so here is an idea I just have to set free.
You take a massive multi-player online role playing game (first person shooter) and code a bunch of weapons that when fired, access scripted hacks that get executed against game objects like computers. But the game objects (networks, 'puters etc.) are actually real world targets.
So instead of that Morpho-ray that turns you into a chicken you have a hack-gun that runs various exploits on targeted information systems. Update the hack-gun exploits on a central game server to keep pace with the enemy's counter measures and you've got a cool new thing.
Eventually, you could map a real world network then model it into the online game and entice thousands of loyal teenagers to login over the web and cruuise the internet looking for enemy communications while they think they are just playing the latest version of Tribes or Counter Strike.
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"This is good how? "Oh, I died, let me just repop." They're recruiting people for war. I personally think they should include a device that gives 10000 volts every time you get killed."
Or they should give all the soldiers the ability to respawn during war. Problem solved!
Seriously, what is it with the republicans? Is it just W, or is it the whole party?
If the Unreal 2 engine is only a later build of UT (like someone ^ said), then why is it so hardware demanding?
I have played it before, and I honestly didn't like it. I've spent weeks on training missions in the real world with the local militia, and we only used paint-balls. Those were some of the scariest weeks of my life.(also the lack of sleep, crappy rassions too.)The game does little to project the realism of real world warfare; you're just sitting on your butt at home, staring at a monitor, and the fridge is only a room or two away.(considering that you have a fridge) You could even pause the game whenever you wanted and take a nap, ready to frag again when you're awake.
If I wanted a good army game, I'd play Ghost Recon, even though it isn't on Linux(I don't think).
By the way, why isn't half-life on Linux yet? Or is it?
So all the humor on this site has to be clean?
> I sometimes think that this lack of understanding/
> complacency is what will eventually kill this country.
This may not be the right place to have this argument, but -- I sometimes think it is the attitude that we should be able to fight the rest of the world all at the same time that will kill this country. I'm sorry -- that is killing it.
We wouldn't have to fight a war by ourselves on even one Iraq-sized front if we were able to convince another military power it was worth doing. As it is, we haven't even managed to convince the Republicans in the Senate or more than 40% of Americans.
Yes, it would be nice if we could outspend the entire world militarily, instead of only the next 12 countries -- but you know what? If we took 5% of the current budget, and doubled the budget for diplomacy instead, we might not need to.
You want a little science fiction? Here's one way I can envision our country getting killed: we react to North Korea's nuclear program with threats of war instead of diplomacy. North Korea, being even more aggressive, and having a worse grip on long-term consequences, than Bush, does not back down. Finally their only choices are to admit defeat or rain conventional-weapon hell down on Seoul -- and they make the wrong choice. We can't stop them with the troops we have there. Now Bush has a choice -- does he let millions of South Koreans die, or does he use nuclear weapons?
Well, what do you think?
Of course nuclear weapons do not, in themselves, signify the end of the world. They do mean, however, that from that point on, we actually have to outspend the rest of the world combined -- because who's going to be on our side if we give them a choice?
The trouble is, I don't think we can do it -- and I sure as hell don't think it's a good idea to try.
I agree that we need a military -- but I think the only way that we as a free society can coexist with one is if we question its actions at every step of the way. Right now, I have some serious questions, and they're not just about some computer game.
I myself am very much a product of violent television/movies/video games, and real life will always be another matter. I've had four vale tudo fights and each time I stepped into the ring/cage I still had the same adrenalin dump etc. In my opinion the only way to numb yourself to violence is to consistently commit violent acts. Of course sport violence is in another realm than actual murderous rampage.. you hug afterward for instance.. instead of say.. cutting off an ear.
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How much money do you really think an 18 y/o fresh out high school needs?
Base rate for an E-1 w/ under four months service (as of January 2003) is 1,064.70 per mo. That means that as soon as you join, you get get paid over $1,000 a month gross income with no expenses (besides taxes). All that money is yours to sepnd how ever you want. No rent to pay, no food to buy, no utilities to pay.
And very few people ever get enlisted as E-1 anymore. E-2 starts at $1,290.00, E-3 is 1,356.90, and E-4 is 1,502.70.
That's all base rates. Then you can add in cost of living allowances, basic allowance for housing, etc., it adds up to a lot of money. And if you fill out the right paperwork, you won't pay any state income taxes.
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When was the last time American troops went to the middle-east and were shot at by something other than arabs? Last I checked, the camels were still unable to hold guns. Makes sense, doesn't it? Who would want to shoot at you in the desert? Certainly not Scandanavian terrorists, or Eskimo terrorists. No, it's the arabs. Besides, it's just a sign of the times. If this game had been made twenty years ago it'd probably have been russian forces.
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If we used that logic, then the world wouldn't have half of the things we have now, not to mention many of the scientific advancements. That same argument has been used in opposition to nuclear power, space exploration, military technology, and now government funded software projects.
But this isn't a great scientific achievement like
Nuclear Power, Fuel Cells, or Space Exploration, it's a just a video game.
By comparing the two, you're belittling some of our nation's great scientific and govermental achievements.
Besides, this software project created jobs, which in the end helps educations.
But it's still a waste of money.
$7 million could be spent on a project which would benefit a larger number of people and still create jobs.
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In the future, when you post comments that are not your own work, you should give credit where credit is due.
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If by no one you mean about 11,000 in the US by gun violence alone. Sadly, most of them are not lawyers.
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Great Britain and France also didn't help Poland when it was actually attacked, and Chamberlain's misguided "Peace for our time" wasn't about failing to attack pre-emptively, but about failing to provide the protection to allies to which they committed themselves earlier.
I don't think that it is that well proven that even earlier attacks would have been feasible - it could also have helped Nazi Germany gain apparent legitimacy. Since the other countries failed to act much later, when German expansion had already started, I don't think this provides much arguments for or against pre-emptive attacks.
Still, at some time in the 30es, there might have been compelling reasons for a preventive war because Hitler's criminal intentions were quite clear. The new doctrine of the US administration is, however, very different from that. George W. Bush's National Security Strategy submitted on September 20 says the U.S. "has no intention of allowing any foreign power to catch up with the huge lead the United States has opened since the fall of the Soviet Union [..]", the U.S. military will "be strong enough" to to dissuade any potential challenger from "pursuing a military buildup in hopes of surpassing, or equalling, the power of the United States." That's about dominance, and if that had been the principle in the 30es, we can't know if really Nazi Germany would have been chosen for attacking or perhaps another rival.
The purpose of the game is to teach you about teamwork. If you try and run it like an UT fragfest, you'll get killed, just like usually happens in real life. The game would bore you to tears if it used the "Hurry Up And Wait" standard of military ops, as well as the BOHICA (Bend Over Here It Comes Again) when orders are changed. In real life it is very scary to operate for extended periods of time in hostile terrain, without support, but as a game it would no doubt be very boring. There's just no way to capture to lack of sleep, sand in your asscrack, bugs crawling over you which you cannot swat away or you'll be detected, or running into a damn yapping little dog at night in a hostile city.
In a related story: Front-line troops disproportionately white, not black
...and have US friendly fire catch some of their own for a change.
war is terrible, but being terrible at war is worse.
Did anyone from /. actually get the game running under Linux? I know that the binaries are free as in monetarily, but is it actually freeware? Do we have the source? Can we create other first person games with it.. like ones with butterflies and fairies where the object of the game is to collect as many mushrooms as you can?
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You US Americans always make yourselves bigger than you are. There are only 280 million of you.
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Rumsfeld sucks.
> "From each according to his ability; to each according to his need."
Open Source doesn't have anything to do with communism. Skipping the whole non Free/free software issues and pretending its all GPL, its still different.
You don't give AWAY your code. You give a copy. Note to BSD licensee's you do give away your code - if someone else uses it, its not yours, not so with GPL, but I digress.
The Freee software movement doesn't lose anything by sharing its code. They wrote it in the first place because they needed it. They already obtained the value required for the effort they put in it. They gain incremental value from the possibility that someone else will use it and add a feature they'd like but is not worth it to them personally to develop.
Here's an example.
You need a video filter, say to remove a logo from the an old version and put the new one in. You need it enough that your willing to write your own custom filter for it. Its slow because you only need to remove it from one short clip, so you don't bother to optimize it.
Energy expended, code created, value obtained.
If you share it, someone who needed it for a different reason, say removing UPN logo's from BuffyTVS tivo'ed files, may need to remove it from dozens of hours of footage. They may optimize your code. They don't lose any thing (skip the "potential" please, their weighting of that value is all that matters) by sharing the optimization code.
Everyone _involved_ gains.
they do a good job of mixing up the ethnicities. in insurgent camp, they appear arab. on bridge or mountain pass, they are "terrorists", ostensibly eastern european males. in weapons cache, they are terrorists of vague ethnicity.
i don't think its racist to consider that some--not all--conflicts in the foreseeable future may involve people of arab descent.
While it may be an entertaining game, I think America's Army is a big threat to freedom.
It's an obvious ploy to get kids to "learn" that war is fun, and that "we" are the good side without any question.
I can't help but think of another organization that tried to teach kids that war is fun in a similar way, not too long ago in Germany's history.
America's Army smells quite a bit like a modern version of the Hitler Youth (Hitlerjugend) to me (and no, I'm not trying to be a troll. This is a serious concern.)
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More people kill themselves in the US each year than are killed by others.
And that doesn't even count suicides that are classified as accidents. Single Person, Single Vehicle Traffic Fatalities for example.
I partially agree with you. It wouldn't have hurt the game to not have made them arab. I'm not concerned about reality but instead of the effects these games have on people. You've been on these servers and seen that many of the kids playing constantly make racist remarks. I've seen way too many people acting on their racism towards arabs in the real world these days (and sometimes ignorantly generalizing it to people from India.) Their is a problem in the real world today. Sure we are having conflicts with certain arabs, but way too many people are generalizing it to all arabs. This game isn't helping at all. It's calling arabs terrorists and allowing you to kill them. It's promoting a dangerous generalization and it's targeted at our children. Isn't there something wrong with that?
And what about all those who DO have to pay taxes, you weasel?
Althought the UBA would get magic corporate funding so you can increase spending while not cutting other programs, or changing one variable in a complex system not readily understood without chaning anything else.
Ahhhhh. thats some fine crack he's a smokin.
I don't think that'd work either -- I'd argue that poverty is a symptom rather than a cause.
People can be as happy and well-fed as you please, and still want to kill each other -- not to mention the presence of several thousand years of legacy interethnic hatred.
DNA just wants to be free...
You seriously think this is more dubious than offering free cash for college?
Seriously, what amount of actual gamers and linux users could make it through basic training?
the byproduct of years of oppression by the white man
I would have to agree with your statement about the PX. I went there with my brother (USAF) last year. Very few things in the modernday PX (BX/VX) are cheaper than the same things found in civilian stores.
It wasn't always this way. Of course PX's didn't always resemble a seedy Wal-mart. If the military really wants their soldiers to keep in better shape they should remove the food courts. Some of those places make McDonald's look like a health food store.
I couldn't find the original document on the Internet either.
It is quoted on quite a number of news pages, e.g.
commondreams.org
shm.com.au
Boy, you chose some winners there.
/practicing/ followers, despite how many claim to. Charity? Willingness to forgive? Injunctions against greed and usury? Loving the sinner? Avoiding gluttony and pride? Yeah, right.
Christ --
Yeshua was arrested and killed. Has few actual
Ghandi --
Assassinated. Only got some modicum of success because of all the colonial powers, the UK was possibly unique in having a conscience. Strife continues in India, in case you haven't noticed.
Dr. King --
Assassinated. Ideals practically dead, with most prominent "civil rights" advocates demanding special status for people that just happen to look like them and insisting on seeing everything through the prism of race.
The Dalai Lama --
Exiled. Has completely failed to win autonomy for the Tibetans. Has nothing more than some minimal celebrity value these days.
Only the dead have seen the end of war.
This page (http://www.icculus.org/) only shows "# MOHAA Spearhead Linux server ALPHA1 (posted 2002-12-31 18:49:50 by icculus). " (same for BF1942 in an older news article).
If you know different, post links - otherwise, don't spread rumors - it deosn't help linux.
Personally its not God I dislike, its his fan club I cant stand (bash.org)
You're responsible for personal care expenses, like hair cuts, razors, shampoo, tampons, etc. You do have some expenses.
Part of the problem with military pay lies in career service, or people who enlist that already have families. That tiny paycheck doesn't cover much for a family.
I'm impressed. I got in when they released it and played it until they airborne add on was released. At the time a LOT of people were playing it. However, BF1942 came out around that time (the demo) and a shitload of people vacated AA to play that. With so many good games having been released since that time it's surprising anyone has time to play AA at all (especially since UT2003's come out). Anyway, just an observation. I'm wondering what the actual number of active users playing AA is now.
"I'm a leaf on the wind. Watch how I soar."
-Hoban Washburn
- just a reminder to question/disregard screenshots
- interesting PR idea lock-n-loaders, as a non-american what am I meant to think of this?
- excellent work on the conversion, I and all appreciate, thanks
- but it's a shame we always have to do this conversion stuff ourselves? (re: Tactical-ops fiasco etc; legal agreements on linux support and biting off too much than can chew) (Sirex has just sent Ravage a little bug report on the free version installer script I believe: http://www.icculus.org/~ravage/tacops/)
- remember to stop all running service (/etc/init.d/) and possibly restart X with no window manager. Test GL too
Off topic:
Try MutantStorm - http://www.pompom.org.uk/
Good linux game, not free but worth a look, especially with twin analogue joypads.
Nice bit of news though
A blog I run for the wealth
Seeing all this, I guess I understand why the linux version is so slow. I know people who say it run O.K. for them, but in my experience I just don't bother and stick with RTCW since it a)has excellant performance under linux and b) was designed from the ground up to be openGL
If you wanna get rich, you know that payback is a bitch
It's still good pay given the skills of many enlistees.
But, I'd be more than willing to increase their pay.
Get your GED already, lazy hippy!
Civ III.
*ducks*
I finally found it here (mohaa client in linux):
http://icculus.org/news/news.php?id=1122
Cool!
Personally its not God I dislike, its his fan club I cant stand (bash.org)
Obviously the quote said "within recent history". Do you know what recent history is the person who wrote that? They could 5 years old. The internet would not be recent history to them. The government should spend more money on education for idiots like you.
I would say something that has happened within the past 20 - 30 years definitely qualifies as "recent history".
I suppose, now your argument will be that this supposed 5 year old (who by the way is CowboyNeal), was referring to his web browser's history cache?
The government should spend more money on education for idiots like you.
me says "boohoo". Use your handle and flamebait like a man.
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well, I'm prepared to follow in their footsteps. peace is something worth trying for. And while the people that followed them may not be large in number they are out there living with those ideals. I can't control christians that say one thing and do another. As for tibet, time will tell. We've been using force with china for years and they're still communists. perhaps in some instances neither force nor peace will solve our problems and they will simply always be problems. force hasn't solved anything in Israel either and peace was on the road to solving the problem. I think in the end it will.
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You still don't get it. I'm glad your smart enough to use a dictionary. I guess you are just misguided, not a complete moron (I hope).
But you're still missing the point. Did you look up recent as well in the dictionary? The phrase is "recent history", not history. So yes, it would be a huge overstatement if he had said that it was the largest development in the internet's history.
He also qualified it with "I consider", which means its his opinion. So that you are disagreeing with his opionions is quite silly. They are his. No amount of bitching on Slashdot forums will change that..
As to the 5 year old mark, that was a gaffe on my part. I was assuming it was posted by the article submitter (I ignore the editor's comments, they are usually flamebait/group-think anyway).
As for posting under my username, that would be really hard since I don't have one. I belong to a different reality (I call it real life) where one's handle (and user id) does not have any significane on my gender, or how manly I am. You should come and visit this brave new world. Oh wait if I saw you I would probably laugh at you.
Ok. In conclusion, I'm a troll without a user name. Recent history is relative. Sorry for making personal attacks (damn, I guess I'm not a good troll).
Have a nice day.
The definition of imperialism is taking over a country and then taxing it - the US in its history has never done that.
The development of the America's Army game cost about $7M. if it had been developed in a company instead of the MOVES Institute, it would have cost $15M to develop.
The project actually has the potential to SAVE the US Army from $700M to $4B PER YEAR in recruiting and strategic communication costs. We will know the savings over time. It provides a more immersive experience than say a single TV commercial, which costs about the same to produce and get played.
At the moment, America's Army has approximately 1.3M registered players, with 800K of those players having completed Basic Combat Training in the game. The game has won several awards and is fun to play! So go to http://americasarmy.com and downlaod!
We will be at E3 once again this year so stop on by!
Michael Zyda, Director
The MOVES Institute
http://movesinstitute.org
How can three different answers on the same thread be modded as informative?
Come on mods, are you basing your judgement on the content and how factual it is by checking the facts yourselves?
The army should be setting up lans running AA at their recruiting centers, hosting tournaments, matches against or teamups with real soldiers, and so on, so anyone can come in and play for free and come into close contact with more direct propaganda/recruiting efforts. Instead they're just targeting the much smaller community of users with adequating computers and broadband (and wouldn't those users have enough money/education to not make them infantry candidates anyhow?).
Granted, that would cost a lot more than running a few servers and supporting game development, but probably be more effective.
I've seen way too many people acting on their racism towards arabs in the real world these days (and sometimes ignorantly generalizing it to people from India.) Their is a problem in the real world today. Sure we are having conflicts with certain arabs, but way too many people are generalizing it to all arabs. This game isn't helping at all. It's calling arabs terrorists and allowing you to kill them. It's promoting a dangerous generalization and it's targeted at our children. Isn't there something wrong with that?
Yes, from an ideal world perspective something is very wrong with that. The problem today is that while arabs in this country shout out constantly in anger about being stereotyped, they continue to do virtually nothing in helping us track down the terrorists in our midst. You can condem terrorism all you want in written statements, but how about telling the FBI about a group of young men at the mosque who seem to be ultra radical, talk about blowing things up, and seem happy whenever the events of sept11th are discussed? The arab community now has something hanging over their heads, and it can be only lifted with actions of the arab community - not just rhetoric.
It is a native port, but it hasn't been released yet.
I always prefer to start the year off with a bang - or, to be more precise, a series of loud hums, a crackle or two, and
Read the title bar, it says it's VMware, so it could easily have been running under Linux.
I always prefer to start the year off with a bang - or, to be more precise, a series of loud hums, a crackle or two, and
Yea, I don't seem to understand this liberal method of thinking. Am I right that we in the US are to look out for the interests of the US? If something we need to do will burn others, then should we just stay at home and pray?
Countries act in their own best interests. Always have, always will - so get used to it and quit living in your liberal dream world of peace and harmony.
According to the donation page at Cambodia Schools project, $7M dollars would fund no less than 442 schools, including construction, for two years. Build 'only' 221 and they could be funded for 158 years at current rates. These are the kinds of projects that our nations 'small change' should be involved in, as they create a huge positive change in the long run (goodwill for potential future trade, etc), not creating yet more appetite for death.
"Gold still represents the ultimate form of payment in the world." - Alan Greenspan, 1999
I don't know if this is supposed to be funny, or maybe we're from different generations, or maybe it's the old story about Americans, sarcasm and irony.
"Good training" falls somewhere between "cocksucker" and "expendable" where I come from. When shit happens, it's supposed to toughen you up for when the bad guys attack. For example:
"Man, I got a fucking ticket for speeding on post."
"Hey, that's good training."
Food poisoning and sunstroke are good training too.
Lots of links to the things you need to develop & package games for linux.
One of the actual developers... who'da thunk?
he's 12, this IS recent history.
Just trying to be funny, he's probably 13.
The Kruger Dunning explains most post on
MILES gear depicted in this game is used at the National Training Center at Fort Irwin [www.irwin.army.mil], in California. Which is, by the way, in the desert.
"Learning is not compulsory... neither is survival."
--Dr.W.Edwards Deming
If you don't believe me that the real NTC is in the desert, get the Video tape[A&E's Online Store].
"Learning is not compulsory... neither is survival."
--Dr.W.Edwards Deming
For less than 10,000 dollars U.S. you can build an entire school with your name on it. And you can add solar panels, thus powering communications where there weren't any before,for just a little extra.
While it sounds inevitable that this would happen (use video games to recruit) and it's been done before (the movie was called Starfighters or some such, an interstellar race was fought by teenagers recruited through coinoperated game machines), anyway you're wrong and that much (or even a lot less) can do a world of good.
You could also do a world of good in the U.S. by funding open-source education.
If you want to buy a school in Cambodia, or assist, contact me or the address (Bernie Krisher should be listed there) on the web page.
Disclaimer: I support this project.
I just wanna try the game out... I don't want to have to install Windows in order to run it, and it appears that Wine just hates it with a passion.
I can't wait until it comes out for Linux. Political crap aside, it's a cool thing.
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I believe most of our team reads slashdot everyday, including myself.
Michael Zyda
Director, The MOVES Institute
The America's Army staff reads all posts in the forums everyday! We get lots of good ideas from the AA:O playing public.
And, if you play through all the levels, you will find that the bad guys are of a variety of racial backgrounds and are not a majority of any particular race or nationality. I do believe that they all have beards and wear old Soviet-style BDUs.
Racism, in general, is not tolerated by me personally, by my team or by the US government.
Michael Zyda, Director
The MOVES Institute
http://movesinstitute.org
1. Censorship in Germany is on the federal level -- all states have to respect the decisions of the BPJS (now BPJM, by the way). When Bavaria says "this is evil", Hamburg follows. The blockage in the U.S. is on a communal level. When Dumbass, Texas bans something, San Francisco says "up yours".
2. Since the laws were changed this year, the BPJM can decide whom to ban on their very own, and there is basically no more recourse unless you want to spend a very long time in court. This is a change you might want to check out.
3. Censorship is an intregal part of the German constitution, as the first article is the protection of human dignity ("Die Würde des Menschen ist unantastbar"), and beats the article about "no censorship". The U.S. constitution puts freedom of speech before everthing else. German Courts can and do decide to ban the possession of certain materials because it "violates human dignity".
4. Roughly four of five German speakers are Germans. If something is banned in Germany, it basically ceases to exist in German, because it is not worth publishing it for Austria and the Swiss alone. If something is banned in your community in the U.S., you can still get it in Great Britian, Australia, India, New Zeeland, etc. As the writer's group PEN has pointed out, the "Indizierung" in Germany is usually the kiss of death.
Yes, four out of five Americans bragging about the U.S. make fools out of themselves, especially when it comes to privacy, the legal system, and other places where the U.S. is stuck back in the 18th Century. But with censorship, the Land der Dichter und Denker has long since turned to the Land der Scheren im Kopf. The blood turns blue over here before the law even forces it to.
Schöne Grüße from Berlin.
"America's Army" is the most blatent piece of propaganda in support of military agression I have ever seen. And you all lap it up!
The USSR's propaganda was never so sophisticated.
Some honest questions to anyone who has played this "game": who are the "bay guys" in the game? Are any of them white? Do you actually see even a hint of the realities of the human costs of war represented in the game or is it just all stars 'n stripes and gratefull, smiling colonial populations?
Mac users are known to be homosexual pacifists. No market for FPS games in macland. They all live in Berkeley, CA. They're vegetarians and drink organic coffee instead of Mountain Dew. All Mac users also drive Volkswagens and wear Berkenstock sandals. They like Chai tea and they wear berets. They all save Christmas (OOPS I mean "the holidays") with their powerbooks and a "cord". They're all currently saving their money for solar powered cars and hate nukes. They're all named Reggie or Sam. Boys and girls, doesn't matter. Reggie or Sam. Regina or Reginald, Samuel or Samantha. Same thing. All Macheads wear pants made of natural hemp and they spent their formative years 100 feet off the ground chained to a sequoia. Their favorite words are 'Fascist' and 'Corporate Interests'. They hate George W. Bush and want Hillary to run for president. They lust after the Segway HT. Mac-heads brag about what Mac they first owned. Incessantly. They use AOL where possible. Starbucks is the source of their sustenance, and their first job. Are you pissed off at me yet? Anyway, Macintosh users like widgets and hate products made from petroleum. They don't mind dropping 3k on a system. They need macs. Sexually. Like in the 'insert tab A into slot B kinda way.
Mod this one offtopic flamebait funny OK?