Just for the sake of an unofficial experiment, could people please post the speed of their download, whether by BitTorrent, Freenet, or FTP? Please also, if possible, post the maximum speed of your connection, or if you are downloading anything else at the time.
It would be very useful to help to collect some data on this.
It's advisable to download this using Freenet, rather than BitTorrent, as Freenet has a more robust, permanent network, and has many hundreds of nodes that might have never seen this file, but will automatically begin to share it, if it becomes popular.
That means faster download speeds. The RedHat 9 ISO files were downloading at over 120KB/sec on Freenet.
There is also the advantage that the link does not go down, when the people close their download windows;)
You can Download a copy of Freenet here, and donate Here
I had just uploaded it, but apparently the direct links in the story were wrong, so I've re-uploaded Episode 1 of the Animatrix. I'll try to provide a freenet link again soon, but I suspect it will be too late for most people;)
Create a centralized group, where people can rate things. There would have to be SOME centralization, but there is centralization for everything. Even DNS.
Here's a quick proposal I wrote up in 1999. I've had to edit it to allow Slashdot to post it.
My Usenet - Working title
news.myusenet.com - anwsers requests for headers/bodies in a newsgroup.
attached to the end of the header is a terminator, which signals end of the original header, then gives the then gives the current rating of the message. example:
Subject: Read me From: cdavis@thepentagon.com Orginazation: little;)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Rating: 3
This is the text of my message
Users must log in to server, which then only sends the headers which comply to their preferences.
ratings - Users would be able to post to a imagniary newsgroup named misc.ratings. the news server program would accept a post to the group, not the client, as usual. The message is read, and acted upon. The message contains either in the subject or the body the string "message idnum group rating +1" or the string "message: idnum rating group -1". If the string appears twice, the first case will be used.
message <MESSAGE ID DELETED BY LAMENESS FILTER> rec.arts.startrek.current in rating +1
The news server will then apply this rating to the message and modify the header, as explained above.
Users will be allowed to rate one message per 50 messages in group per day.
www.myusenet.com On the website, users must create their accounts for use of of the system. These Username/password accounts are both to verify identity, and so establish preferances for message download. Examples of preferences may be:
Download only messages with a rating of at least
: download all messages(*) 0() 1() 2() 3() 4+()
Download replies with a rating of
: download all replies(*) 1() 2() 3() 4+()
Number of generations of replies: __10__
Limit: Only this many messages/day/group.
(*) no limit
() Limited to __500__
Chosen by time (*)
Chosen by rating ()
x-no-repub=yes
By default, My usenet will honor X-no-archive=yes,
and not republish these articles. If a user wants a message
to be carried over on to this system, but archived on a
system such as Dejanews they may add:
x-no-repub=no
to thier message.
If a user wishes Dejanews to archive their messages, but NOT
my usenet, they can affix the header
x-no-repub=yes
to their message.
This system is not terribly confusing. We will assume by default that the people who do not want thier messages archived will also not want them carried over. This can be overruled by using x-no-repub.
misc
In order to incourage growth of the system, the system will be public domain, with the reference implementation licensed under the BSD. This will incourage porting and adoption.
Servers wishing to mirror the rated pages can connect to a secondary news server, use a username/ password issued via the web page.
Servers wishing to allow ratings to be posted to them may log in to the secondary news server, and submit a batch of headers. A minimun time length between batched must be specif
Your first thought was a good one. Get her the 15 inch Powerbook G4. While certain features of OSX (such as the movie listings) don't work properly in.jp, Apple has done a GREAT job in preparing the system. The Japanese support in OSX is top-knotch, and there is a lot of BSD support for Japanese.
The machine is strong, and gets great battery life. And, I must admit, Apple's Technical Support and customer care is Top of the line. I had had a number of problems with my laptop due to physical manafacturing, and after working with Apple, and describing the problem, they not only replaced it, but gave me a faster model as an apology.
I e-mailed you, and CC'd michael, but still this story is posted. I'm trying to be a good subscriber, and point out dupes, but I don't know what else I'm supposed to do.
I want to help Slashdot avoid dupes (esp. obvious ones like this), but it seems like the system fails.
Wow.. After downloading and looking at "NCSA MOSIAC FOR MS WINDOWS" it's amazing how LITTLE the browser has changed..
All major innovations, such as URL bar, Forward/Back buttons, reload and home buttons, as well as bookmarks are allready in place. It even has a Search bar!
90% of the "features" of a browser haven't changed in the last 10 years.. It really makes you wonder how often people re-think an interface, or if they just use and evolve what they are used to.
I'm honestly curious, what major innovations have we seen? Snapback [Apple Safari] Tabbed browsing, and related enhancements (such as Open a group of tabs) [Mozilla, etc]
Umm.....?
One other feature I found interesting is that in NCSA Mosaic, there was a "annotate" function.. Presumably this let people add to a page, if the server were set properly, almost like a WIKI situation? Did anyone ever work with this?
I wonder if this is part of an attack against Apple?
As those of you not familiar with the Mac Marketplace might not know, Connectix makes the popular Mac application Virtual-PC. Virtual PC allows Apple owners to emulate a complete PC enviornment on their Apple machines, at somewhat reasonable speed.
They seem to have had favorable licensing with Microsoft in the past, as they offer pre-installed images for certain OS systems, such as Windows XP, 2000, etc. While they do (I assume) pay MS for each license, it does help people to break the MS dependance gradually, as they can still run their old applications under emulation.
If they eleminated this crutch for people switching to apple, and then later discontinued Office... Apple would lose most of it's corporate market.
So- As useful as this technology is in the Server market (and keep in mind this is closer to Bochs than VMware), I can see MS execs encouraging this buyout to help keep control over the future of Apple.
Why Slashdot is better than Kuro5hin. Before you mod me down as a troll, look at the idea-
Kuro5hin has many of the features people consistantly ask for (voting for stories) Kuro5hin isn't owned by a large, closed source software-company. Kuro5hin has more intellegant discussion, and fewer duplicated stories
But Slashdot has more users. Slashdot is an amazingly popular weblog,/because/ it is an amzingly popular weblog.
Think about that. The main reason Slashdot is popular is because of it's base of users. Because of the comments. And higher-installed base makes it more attractive to many people.
That is exactly the argument made in this article.
Can anyone explain to me how this is different from Freenet?
Freenet has a Decentralized Architecture, which is specifically designed to resist DOS attacks, by making each client that views the page into a possible server..
With freenet, any DDOS attempt would actually make the content MORE accessable, as it spread it to more and more nodes..
So.. Basically OSI is trying to cut in on the After Market selling of property and accounds, and try to take in some of the profit themselves.
That's no such a bad idea. People on Slashdot always say- Don't attack a new technology or development, find a way to adapt to make it work for you. That seems to be exactly what they are doing here.
Although that isn't a very fair comparison. Try comparing, speed wise. Of-course Running office under VPC will be slow. You're emulating an entire operating system (Windows XP, or whatnot) under OSX.
Try running the native version, and see if the speed is any better. Also, try to use the OSX version of office, as the old version will run in mac emulator. [1]
Colin Davis
[1] Aka Classic mode. I tend to think of my powerbook as a NeXT box, that can fire a a very high quality MacOS emulator. "classic" mode starts seperatly, and the GUI style changes when you use it. It's a seperate OS in the background
This doesn't avoid "broadcasting" over the internet at all. Think about it, under this system, EVERYONE is broadcasting/webcasting and each USER would be required to pay the RIAA fee.
This might be a decent system to spread the pain, however. If you only had to pay $.14/hour to listen to netradio (assuming you passed to two other people), that could be a very affordable rate. 200 people could each afford to pay when they listen, rather than one station paying for everyone.
Don't bill it as a circumvention device, bill it as a load-balancer for the internet.
Although I'm glad that more people are noticing this, the natural tendency at Slashdot is to fire off an e-mail campaign, which is exactly what is not needed in this case. Lucasarts has made a mistake. As was mentioned on the mailing list, they have to deal with hundreds of Abandonware sites weekly. From their quotes, Lucas thought that ScummVM was re-distributing the original engine, and saying it was under the GPL. I believe this situation will soon be resolved calmly, but a hundred "You SUCK!" e-mail cannot help.
Been waiting for this technology
on
P2P Roaming Chat
·
· Score: 3, Informative
I've been waiting for technology like this, almost Snow-crash-esque.
Imagine the scenerio- You're walking down a virtual street, on the servers of a search engine, such as Google. Each server appears as a shop on the side of the street, that you can walk into.
It takes ungodly bandwidth, and processing power. But imagine if each business was run on it's own server. You want to buy a server, you walk into IBM's machine, and talk to a receptionist there. IBM hosts the enviorment, after you walk in.
The most interesting issue, IMO at least, is that of trust with Client data. The information about your persona, what he's carrying, and how it interacts with the rest of the world. The problem is, you can't leave it server side without sending it to each server that you enter, and trusting them not to modify it as you enter another. Imagine walking into a Script-kiddie hangout, and walking out with a virus. Not a pleasant thought.
So you could store it client-side, but that opens up the possibility of people editing their data. Could you design a system that can withstand that? Having user data editable could be interesting. People could design whatever 3d model they wanted to use, and basically have whatever objects they wanted (and could code)
Transactions with cash would be handled much the way they are on the internet now. You would trust the server with a credit card number, which you would send through a secure tunnel.
Slashdot Mirror
Fair point, and I'd love to get an e-mail from you, letting me know what you can/want to do... Particularly if you are a 3d graphic artist.
But The larger issue is, How do OTHER people do that? How should it be done?
Is $100/week the right number? I'm paying out of pocket, remember, and I'm just a poor college kid.
How does someone go about something like this? What about Tax forms? Liability? What's the procedure?
I'm really interested to know what I'm supposed to do, and how to do it.
Not to press, but do you have a source for this? I'd love to be able to use that infomation, and credit it to mroe than a Slashdot post ;)
From his Speech, on the Conferance Call-
"Last year we had 7 callers for our earnings, this year we have over.. 240 callers on the line"
Behold the Power of Slashdot.
Slashdotting a Telephone.
-Colin
From his Speech, on the Conferance Call-
"Last year we had 7 callers for our earnings, this year we have over.. 240 callers on the line"
Behold the Power of Slashdot.
-Colin
As I had said here, I don't think the world outside the Matrix exists at all.
I'd love to get any discussion on that idea, now that it's not so late in the discussion.
Think about it. Everything they have done is still inside a meta-matrix.
It's brilliant. And I'm glad the W-brother's thought about it. People said this move didn't present any interesting dieas. I feel this is one.
Colin
I'd just like to go on record now, before November, to point ou my theory.
Xion dosn't exist. It's all a meta-matrix.
The world outside the matrix is false. Neo & crew have NEVER worken up. They are still in a tube.
The Architect said 99% of people could notice a difference. 1% is far larger than Neo.
Huge Weaving should not have been able to affect some one outside the matrix. The meta-matrix solves this problem.
Neo/Trinity comming back to life. They were never in danger. They were just in danger in the meta-matrix.
And so on. It's perfect. It fits well. And the W-brothers are very clever to have thought of it.
Colin
Just for the sake of an unofficial experiment, could people please post the speed of their download, whether by BitTorrent, Freenet, or FTP?
Please also, if possible, post the maximum speed of your connection, or if you are downloading anything else at the time.
It would be very useful to help to collect some data on this.
-Colin
It's advisable to download this using Freenet, rather than BitTorrent, as Freenet has a more robust, permanent network, and has many hundreds of nodes that might have never seen this file, but will automatically begin to share it, if it becomes popular.
;)
;)
That means faster download speeds. The RedHat 9 ISO files were downloading at over 120KB/sec on Freenet.
There is also the advantage that the link does not go down, when the people close their download windows
You can Download a copy of Freenet here, and donate Here
I had just uploaded it, but apparently the direct links in the story were wrong, so I've re-uploaded Episode 1 of the Animatrix. I'll try to provide a freenet link again soon, but I suspect it will be too late for most people
-Colin
Create a centralized group, where people can rate things.
;)
;)
There would have to be SOME centralization, but there is centralization for everything. Even DNS.
Here's a quick proposal I wrote up in 1999. I've had to edit it to allow Slashdot to post it.
My Usenet - Working title
news.myusenet.com - anwsers requests for headers/bodies in a newsgroup.
attached to the end of the header is a terminator,
which signals end of the original header, then gives the then gives the current rating of the message. example:
Subject: Read me
From: cdavis@thepentagon.com
Orginazation: little
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Rating: 3
This is the text of my message
Users must log in to server, which then only sends the headers which comply to their preferences.
ratings - Users would be able to post to a imagniary newsgroup named misc.ratings. the news server program would accept a post to the
group, not the client, as usual. The message is read, and acted upon. The message contains either in the subject or the body the string "message idnum group rating +1" or the string "message: idnum rating group -1". If the string appears twice, the first case will be used.
example:
Subject: (no subject given)
From: cdavis@thepentagon.com
Organization: little
Newsgroup: misc.ratings
message <MESSAGE ID DELETED BY LAMENESS FILTER> rec.arts.startrek.current in rating +1
The news server will then apply this rating to the message and modify the header, as explained above.
Users will be allowed to rate one message per 50 messages in group per day.
www.myusenet.com On the website, users must create their accounts for use of of the system. These Username/password accounts are both to verify identity, and so establish preferances for message download. Examples of preferences may be:
Download only messages with a rating of at least
: download all messages(*) 0() 1() 2() 3() 4+()
Download replies with a rating of
: download all replies(*) 1() 2() 3() 4+()
Number of generations of replies: __10__
Limit: Only this many messages/day/group.
(*) no limit
() Limited to __500__
Chosen by time (*)
Chosen by rating ()
x-no-repub=yes
By default, My usenet will honor X-no-archive=yes,
and not republish these articles. If a user wants a message
to be carried over on to this system, but archived on a
system such as Dejanews they may add:
x-no-repub=no
to thier message.
If a user wishes Dejanews to archive their messages, but NOT
my usenet, they can affix the header
x-no-repub=yes
to their message.
This system is not terribly confusing. We will assume by default that the people who do not want thier messages archived will also not want them carried over. This can be overruled by using x-no-repub.
misc
In order to incourage growth of the system, the system will be public domain, with the reference implementation licensed under the BSD.
This will incourage porting and adoption.
Servers wishing to mirror the rated pages can connect to a secondary news server, use a username/ password issued via the web page.
Servers wishing to allow ratings to be posted to them may log in to the secondary news server, and submit a batch of headers. A minimun time length between batched must be specif
I wonder if it's compatible with this phone?
-Colin
You do know this was posted under the HUMOR section, right?
/course/ it's fake. We all know that. But it's still damn funny!
Of
Some people take life too seriously.
Colin
Your first thought was a good one. .jp, Apple has done a GREAT job in preparing the system.
Get her the 15 inch Powerbook G4.
While certain features of OSX (such as the movie listings) don't work properly in
The Japanese support in OSX is top-knotch, and there is a lot of BSD support for Japanese.
The machine is strong, and gets great battery life. And, I must admit, Apple's Technical Support and customer care is Top of the line.
I had had a number of problems with my laptop due to physical manafacturing, and after working with Apple, and describing the problem, they not only replaced it, but gave me a faster model as an apology.
I cannot recomend Apple laptops enough.
I e-mailed you, and CC'd michael, but still this story is posted. I'm trying to be a good subscriber, and point out dupes, but I don't know what else I'm supposed to do.
I want to help Slashdot avoid dupes (esp. obvious ones like this), but it seems like the system fails.
Wow.. After downloading and looking at "NCSA MOSIAC FOR MS WINDOWS" it's amazing how LITTLE the browser has changed..
All major innovations, such as URL bar, Forward/Back buttons, reload and home buttons, as well as bookmarks are allready in place. It even has a Search bar!
90% of the "features" of a browser haven't changed in the last 10 years.. It really makes you wonder how often people re-think an interface, or if they just use and evolve what they are used to.
I'm honestly curious, what major innovations have we seen?
Snapback [Apple Safari]
Tabbed browsing, and related enhancements (such as Open a group of tabs) [Mozilla, etc]
Umm.....?
One other feature I found interesting is that in NCSA Mosaic, there was a "annotate" function.. Presumably this let people add to a page, if the server were set properly, almost like a WIKI situation?
Did anyone ever work with this?
I wonder if this is part of an attack against Apple?
As those of you not familiar with the Mac Marketplace might not know, Connectix makes the popular Mac application Virtual-PC. Virtual PC allows Apple owners to emulate a complete PC enviornment on their Apple machines, at somewhat reasonable speed.
They seem to have had favorable licensing with Microsoft in the past, as they offer pre-installed images for certain OS systems, such as Windows XP, 2000, etc. While they do (I assume) pay MS for each license, it does help people to break the MS dependance gradually, as they can still run their old applications under emulation.
If they eleminated this crutch for people switching to apple, and then later discontinued Office... Apple would lose most of it's corporate market.
So- As useful as this technology is in the Server market (and keep in mind this is closer to Bochs than VMware), I can see MS execs encouraging this buyout to help keep control over the future of Apple.
Colin
Why Slashdot is better than Kuro5hin.
/because/ it is an amzingly popular weblog.
Before you mod me down as a troll, look at the idea-
Kuro5hin has many of the features people consistantly ask for (voting for stories)
Kuro5hin isn't owned by a large, closed source software-company.
Kuro5hin has more intellegant discussion, and fewer duplicated stories
But Slashdot has more users. Slashdot is an amazingly popular weblog,
Think about that. The main reason Slashdot is popular is because of it's base of users. Because of the comments. And higher-installed base makes it more attractive to many people.
That is exactly the argument made in this article.
Just some thoughts.
Colin
One of the most interesting posts I've seen regarding this subject was found at Microsoft.com
I'd love to hear how you'd address some of the points he brings up in the article.
In case the site goes down, or is changed, I've mirrored it at sq7.org/media/ms.html
Can anyone explain to me how this is different from Freenet?
Freenet has a Decentralized Architecture, which is specifically designed to resist DOS attacks, by making each client that views the page into a possible server..
With freenet, any DDOS attempt would actually make the content MORE accessable, as it spread it to more and more nodes..
So.. Basically OSI is trying to cut in on the After Market selling of property and accounds, and try to take in some of the profit themselves.
That's no such a bad idea. People on Slashdot always say- Don't attack a new technology or development, find a way to adapt to make it work for you.
That seems to be exactly what they are doing here.
Although that isn't a very fair comparison. Try comparing, speed wise. Of-course Running office under VPC will be slow. You're emulating an entire operating system (Windows XP, or whatnot) under OSX.
Try running the native version, and see if the speed is any better. Also, try to use the OSX version of office, as the old version will run in mac emulator. [1]
Colin Davis
[1] Aka Classic mode. I tend to think of my powerbook as a NeXT box, that can fire a a very high quality MacOS emulator.
"classic" mode starts seperatly, and the GUI style changes when you use it. It's a seperate OS in the background
This doesn't avoid "broadcasting" over the internet at all.
Think about it, under this system, EVERYONE is broadcasting/webcasting and each USER would be required to pay the RIAA fee.
This might be a decent system to spread the pain, however. If you only had to pay $.14/hour to listen to netradio (assuming you passed to two other people), that could be a very affordable rate.
200 people could each afford to pay when they listen, rather than one station paying for everyone.
Don't bill it as a circumvention device, bill it as a load-balancer for the internet.
Colin
Although I'm glad that more people are noticing this, the natural tendency at Slashdot is to fire off an e-mail campaign, which is exactly what is not needed in this case.
Lucasarts has made a mistake. As was mentioned on the mailing list, they have to deal with hundreds of Abandonware sites weekly.
From their quotes, Lucas thought that ScummVM was re-distributing the original engine, and saying it was under the GPL.
I believe this situation will soon be resolved calmly, but a hundred "You SUCK!" e-mail cannot help.
I've been waiting for technology like this, almost Snow-crash-esque.
Imagine the scenerio- You're walking down a virtual street, on the servers of a search engine, such as Google. Each server appears as a shop on the side of the street, that you can walk into.
It takes ungodly bandwidth, and processing power.
But imagine if each business was run on it's own server. You want to buy a server, you walk into IBM's machine, and talk to a receptionist there.
IBM hosts the enviorment, after you walk in.
The most interesting issue, IMO at least, is that of trust with Client data. The information about your persona, what he's carrying, and how it interacts with the rest of the world.
The problem is, you can't leave it server side without sending it to each server that you enter, and trusting them not to modify it as you enter another. Imagine walking into a Script-kiddie hangout, and walking out with a virus.
Not a pleasant thought.
So you could store it client-side, but that opens up the possibility of people editing their data. Could you design a system that can withstand that?
Having user data editable could be interesting. People could design whatever 3d model they wanted to use, and basically have whatever objects they wanted (and could code)
Transactions with cash would be handled much the way they are on the internet now. You would trust the server with a credit card number, which you would send through a secure tunnel.
It's an interesting set of possibilities.
With calculating power like that, you /might/ be able to run Doom III at the highest settigs ;)
What amount do you currently pay in MP3 liscensing, in order to stream SomaFM over the internet?
With all the threats and attacks to MP3 streaming by Fraunhofer, have you considered moving to streaming OGG Vorbis files?
As Winamp is now shipping with native support, this could be a good way of shaving down some of the fees regarding your business.