>Ancient X apps and Windows 3.1 applications? That's great if you're
>still coding in outdated setups. Current standards seem much more
>complex, open-ended and harder to emulate. Wine is probably not
>perfect for a reason.
>
>
Yeah it's a real bitch that people are more interested in DesqView/X than in.NET isn't it?
>I also wonder how a major upgrade (such as 6.2 -> 7.2) could be made
>smoother, considering the substantial changes between major versions.
>The Red Hat Network is a good start, but some more tools are needed to
>ensure that upgrades are easier to perform, and are more likely to
>succeed.
>
>
>
Back up your home directories and other data,wipe 6.2 off your hardrive,install 7.2 and restore from your backups. See how simple things can be?
>Are a Troll. And if you genuinely believe that crap you wrote, can I
>have your DVD's? I'll take them over VHS anyday
>
Really? Take a look at those bargin basement DVD's at Walmart for instance. You know the $4.99-$5.99 ones that are mostly older Jackie Chan/Bruce Lee moives that you most likely won't find anywhere . These thing are worse than the worst VCR tapes.
>I for one will gladly pay twice as much for DVD content as I would for
>equivalent VHS content; the extensive capabilities of the DVD format
>make the medium that much more valuable. By declaring this practise
>illegal, I'm afraid Australia could be severely stifling the incentive
>of movie companies to include special DVD-only features. This move
>doesn't benefit anyone; both the content producers and the consumers
>suffer.
>
>
Just because you are a fool doesn't mean everybody else is......
>I disagree. The price of DVD players has come down to about what
>one would pay for a VCR.
>
Don't know where you buy VCR's from but they are still roughly half the price of DVD players. You can get a stereo 4-head VCR at Wal-Mart for $50.00 nowdays. Cheapest DVD player is $99.00
>"DVDs are more prone to deterioration (being very vulnerable to
>scratches) and so will not allow as many rentals before requiring
>replacement."
>There's a protective film that can overlay both CD & DVDs. Get damaged
>(within reason), replace the film.
>
Wrong. Removing the film *WILL DESTROY* the dvd or cd. I've bought used PS2 games that has this film attached to the lable side and you *CANNOT* remove it once it has been applied.
>The only question now is what company can fill the void that they will
>leave behind? And I assure you, the exit of Loki from the market means
>that other companies will be skeptical about the viability of
>releasing their software for Linux. It's a shame.
>
>
Big deal. The fact is that PC gaming is dying out. The fact that Linux users like myself and other couldn't care less about it should tell you something. Fact is most Linux users like myself own either own a PS2 or now a Gamecube. We have very little interest in the PC gaming world or market. We're not that interested in online gaming. Wake up guy. People like you can bitch and moan all you like, but it's not going to cause me or those like me to run out and buy software we don't give a damn about, and I quite frankly don't give a damn about playing games on my PC under Windows or Linux anymore.
Want to blame someone for the lack of interest in PC gaming which the Linux community seems to have? Start with the PC game companies and the bullshit they've dumping on the PC game for the past few years. And then look in the mirror.
>Don't be too suprised if consoles shift to graphics over gameplay. The
>press, (not tech press, newspaper press) has been oozing praise over
>the graphics on the XBOX and such. For people buying such a machine
>for the first time, they would look for the most reconizible feature,
>graphics, THEN, after they have the system for a while, gameplay.
>Thats why a lot of the first games to come out for the N64 sucked, but
>looked good. It wears off after a while.
>
>
Not likely, at least not on the PS2 or GameCube. Final Fantasy X,Devil May Cry and ICO are perfect example of this. All of these games are *beautiful* graphics-wise but it doesn't distract from the gameplay at all. The same can be said about Kinetica and other PS2 games. Now the XBox will most likely will suffer from this disease because of it's PC-based roots of it's hardware and developers.
>I've got a very bad feeling that the gaming industry is heading
>towards a black hole of development. Sure, the GF3 and other graphics
>boards are truely amazing in terms of HW, with all the new pluggable
>rendering devices, hardware T&L, etc. And I'm certainly not going to
>complain about the graphics in a game that take advantage of such
>
>
Shrug. Don't sit there and bitch about it. Do what I and a hell of other people have done. Quit buying this new hardware and PC games and get a PS2 or GameCube instead. PC game companies don't seem to have any qualms about abadoning people who don't want to upgrade their hardware everytime a new graphics card or other such stupidity is annouced or comes out on the market so I think it's *PAST* time people start abadoning the PC gaming market in return. I certainly have.
>PC games still look better, play better and have better control sets.
>I will admit that a console is a maintainence free gaming platform but
>the games are FAR from better. Locked isometric views, slow response
>time on controls... Name ONE console FPS that ANYONE can compete
>against a PC version in head to head ??
>
>
Get a clue Monkey-Boy. Pretty much nobody who owns a console likes FPS-type games on the PC when we were buying games for the PC. In fact most of us depise them. Halo is a pile of shit just like all FPS's. Pretty much the only people who praise it or even have anything nice to say about are PC gamers like you.
>It's nothing to do with a utopian fantasy about free software... Linux
>users just want free beer. It's a sad thing for those of us who want
>to use Linux for anything else. We get told over and over "Use the
>right tool for the right job. What you want is Windows." Hmmm, Windows
>to run office software. Windows to browse the Web with a decent
>browser. Windows to play games. Well, as it turns out that's all I use
> a computer for these days.
>So, in essence, what the "community" tells the rest of us, day in and
>day out, is "get lost and go back to Windows." Not because of any
>principle, but because they're deathly afraid they might become
>mainstream.
>
>
We watched as you and your kind *RUINED* the Amiga and Atari ST computers as viable systems with your bullshit and half-baked ideas and it'll be a cold day in hell before we'll let you do the same kind of crap to Linux. So pack your bags and get out. You won't be missed.
>Oh, no? I know many computer professionals who have a PS(2) as a
>gaming platform. Why? Compare the prices...what costs a PC that plays
>the newest funkiest games and what costs a playstation? I mean, you
>cannot keep a PC for 5 years as a top gaming machine...but for a
>console that is normal...and the games get better because the
>programmers master the machines. Besides, you don't have to worry
>about DirectX, drivers and crashes. "It just works".
>
>
Name one game for the PC that make you laugh in pure joy while watching an *AD* for it. Watch the ad for "State of Emergency" for the PS2 at an Electronic Boutique. If it doesn't crack you up,nothing will. The PS2 has brought the concept of *FUN* back to playing games.
>I can't see this as being good for PS2 sales - fortunately they've
>sold a lot of consoles already - as some customers enjoy being able to
>play games that were not designed for their world region, or which did
>not have enough of an appeal in a specific market to warrant a full
>distribution. A sad day for nipponophile PS2 gamers.
>
Get a life. Nobody gives a damn if a jackass like you can't buy a mod chip for your PS2. Get over it. Nobody really wants losers like you around anyway. Just ask people who hang out in the MAME and other emulation groups.
>Well, thats it guys, youve just read the obituary of commercial gaming
>on linux.
>
>
>
No,this pretty much spells the death of the PC as a platform for gaming. Just look at the reaction to the annoucement. PC gamer are acting like Linux users were supposed to run out and buy ports of PC games they didn't want or had no interest in,and now are getting bent out of shape over the fact. The real story here that nobody want to talk about is that the Linux userbase is made up of a large number of people who either have absolutely no interest in PC gaming or have totally abandoned the PC as a gaming platform (PS1/PS2/GameCube owners for instance). Just take a look the XMAS of the PS2 for instance. It's been stated that Sony sold over *5 MILLION* PS2's over XMAS world-wide. No wonder the PC gaming community is shitting in their pants over the lack of interest in PC games they see in the Linux community.
>I hope with growing acceptance of Linux there might be a revival of
>Linux gaming at some point.... But for the time being the attitude
>seems to be Everything-On-Linux-Must-Be-Free-Beer. People who are
>willing to buy Windows games are unwilling to buy the Linux version
>(even though they claim that they want it). Instead they expect it to
>be supplied for free. I really hope this changes in the future.:-(
>
>
Get real asswipe. I'm happily playing Final Fanstasy X on my PS2. Give me *ONE REASON* why I should give a damn about the crap games you claim to work on. You can't. The fact is that that a major change has taken place with the release of the Playstation 2. A lot of people who use Linux have quite simply abandoned the PC as a means of playing games on, and we're not coming back. So you and the rest of the losers that make up the PC gaming community can bitch and whine all you like about how Linux users are too cheap to buy the shoddy crap people like you create/produce and people like myself will be laughing out heads off at you while buying and playing games like "Devil May Cry" and "Twisted Metal Black" and "SOE" on our PS2's.
LOSER.
>Well, friend, if you don't buy games, there won't be any more games,
>so you *for sure* won't get any games you were interested in ported to
>Linux, and you will *continue* to need Windows to play all of your
>games.
>Do you feel smarter now, or do you just feel a little bit lighter in
>the pocketbook for all the copies of Windows you will continue to buy
>for the next decade, just to play some games...
>Or do you just warez your Windows?
>Sometimes I get very disappointed in the Linux "community" who seems
>to be more bark than bite.
>
>
Get a life asshole. I can't *STAND* the kind of garbage games Loki and the rest of the PC game companies produce these days,which is why I now own a PS2. I will never again buy a game for my PC. I've gotten out of the PC upgrading rat race for good. PC gaming losers like you can bitch and moan all you like, but I am not goint to spend a *SINGLE CENT* of *MY* money on PC games *I DON'T WANT TO OWN OR PLAY* no matter if they run on Windows or Linux. I will be renting and buying games for my PS2 on the other hand. What dipshit like you don't seem to be able to comprend is that there are a huge number of people like myself *WHO CAN'T STAND THE GAMES ON THE PC PLATFORM AND REFUSE TO WASTE OUR MONEY ON THEM.*
>I think AOL would have been very unwise to issue this suit without
>their lawyers knowing exactly what Red Hat will say when Microsoft
>calls them to the stand. And you just know that MS has to call Red Hat
>to the stand to ask the magic question: "who is Red Hat's largest
>source of competition?" The answer is Microsoft, and that gives MS
>room to wiggle in their bogus claim that they can't be a monopoly if
>they have a billion dollar company for competition.
>
>
>
How is Microsoft RedHat's largest source of competition? As far as i can tell, RedHat doesn't give a rat's ass about the Windows userbase. RedHat doesn't create/publish software for Windows.
>which made me think of this game [slashdot.org], 25 years later.
>
Wait till they get a look at the new PS2 game the Grand Theft Auto 3 gang is releasing. Nothing like a good old fashion riot.....
>There is, it's called Halo and most gaming sites think it's at least
>1/5 as good as MGS2.
>
>
Heh. Braindead PC gamers praising yet another braindead PCish FPS. Yeah. Devil May Cry for the PS2 shows just how lame Halo and FPS games really are.
>There's a lack of 3rd party support for the XBox? When did Microsoft
>buy all of these companies currently making games for the XBox?
Get real. Most of those games are *VAPORWARE* They don't actually exist. In most cases what you see displayed especially at places like EB that jumped on the Xbox bandwagon is a empty cardboard box that comes with vague techobabble from EB employees (like you) about some vague release date in the future.
>*cough* [easybuy2000.com].
I meant you'll the same-no brandname players with mp3 support selling at Wal-mart for $39.99 and under. I find the stuff at Wal-mart and K-mart to actually be cheaper than at most of the online sites.
You can now buy a portable AM/FM cdrom player that'll play CDR's you burn at Wal-mart for $39.99. In a few months you'll be seeing versions of these things that'll have support for MP3's burned on CDR's.
Doesn't this make spending $$$ for a Rio Riot or Lyra Personal Jukebox a wee bit silly?
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>Ancient X apps and Windows 3.1 applications? That's great if you're .NET isn't it?
>still coding in outdated setups. Current standards seem much more
>complex, open-ended and harder to emulate. Wine is probably not
>perfect for a reason.
>
>
Yeah it's a real bitch that people are more interested in DesqView/X than in
>I also wonder how a major upgrade (such as 6.2 -> 7.2) could be made
>smoother, considering the substantial changes between major versions.
>The Red Hat Network is a good start, but some more tools are needed to
>ensure that upgrades are easier to perform, and are more likely to
>succeed.
>
>
>
Back up your home directories and other data,wipe 6.2 off your hardrive,install 7.2 and restore from your backups. See how simple things can be?
>Are a Troll. And if you genuinely believe that crap you wrote, can I
>have your DVD's? I'll take them over VHS anyday
>
Really? Take a look at those bargin basement DVD's at Walmart for instance. You know the $4.99-$5.99 ones that are mostly older Jackie Chan/Bruce Lee moives that you most likely won't find anywhere . These thing are worse than the worst VCR tapes.
>I for one will gladly pay twice as much for DVD content as I would for
>equivalent VHS content; the extensive capabilities of the DVD format
>make the medium that much more valuable. By declaring this practise
>illegal, I'm afraid Australia could be severely stifling the incentive
>of movie companies to include special DVD-only features. This move
>doesn't benefit anyone; both the content producers and the consumers
>suffer.
>
>
Just because you are a fool doesn't mean everybody else is......
>I disagree. The price of DVD players has come down to about what
>one would pay for a VCR.
>
Don't know where you buy VCR's from but they are still roughly half the price of DVD players. You can get a stereo 4-head VCR at Wal-Mart for $50.00 nowdays. Cheapest DVD player is $99.00
>"DVDs are more prone to deterioration (being very vulnerable to
>scratches) and so will not allow as many rentals before requiring
>replacement."
>There's a protective film that can overlay both CD & DVDs. Get damaged
>(within reason), replace the film.
>
Wrong. Removing the film *WILL DESTROY* the dvd or cd. I've bought used PS2 games that has this film attached to the lable side and you *CANNOT* remove it once it has been applied.
>The only question now is what company can fill the void that they will
>leave behind? And I assure you, the exit of Loki from the market means
>that other companies will be skeptical about the viability of
>releasing their software for Linux. It's a shame.
>
>
Big deal. The fact is that PC gaming is dying out. The fact that Linux users like myself and other couldn't care less about it should tell you something. Fact is most Linux users like myself own either own a PS2 or now a Gamecube. We have very little interest in the PC gaming world or market. We're not that interested in online gaming. Wake up guy. People like you can bitch and moan all you like, but it's not going to cause me or those like me to run out and buy software we don't give a damn about, and I quite frankly don't give a damn about playing games on my PC under Windows or Linux anymore.
Want to blame someone for the lack of interest in PC gaming which the Linux community seems to have? Start with the PC game companies and the bullshit they've dumping on the PC game for the past few years. And then look in the mirror.
>Don't be too suprised if consoles shift to graphics over gameplay. The
>press, (not tech press, newspaper press) has been oozing praise over
>the graphics on the XBOX and such. For people buying such a machine
>for the first time, they would look for the most reconizible feature,
>graphics, THEN, after they have the system for a while, gameplay.
>Thats why a lot of the first games to come out for the N64 sucked, but
>looked good. It wears off after a while.
>
>
Not likely, at least not on the PS2 or GameCube. Final Fantasy X,Devil May Cry and ICO are perfect example of this. All of these games are *beautiful* graphics-wise but it doesn't distract from the gameplay at all. The same can be said about Kinetica and other PS2 games. Now the XBox will most likely will suffer from this disease because of it's PC-based roots of it's hardware and developers.
>I've got a very bad feeling that the gaming industry is heading
>towards a black hole of development. Sure, the GF3 and other graphics
>boards are truely amazing in terms of HW, with all the new pluggable
>rendering devices, hardware T&L, etc. And I'm certainly not going to
>complain about the graphics in a game that take advantage of such
>
>
Shrug. Don't sit there and bitch about it. Do what I and a hell of other people have done. Quit buying this new hardware and PC games and get a PS2 or GameCube instead. PC game companies don't seem to have any qualms about abadoning people who don't want to upgrade their hardware everytime a new graphics card or other such stupidity is annouced or comes out on the market so I think it's *PAST* time people start abadoning the PC gaming market in return. I certainly have.
>PC games still look better, play better and have better control sets.
>I will admit that a console is a maintainence free gaming platform but
>the games are FAR from better. Locked isometric views, slow response
>time on controls... Name ONE console FPS that ANYONE can compete
>against a PC version in head to head ??
>
>
Get a clue Monkey-Boy. Pretty much nobody who owns a console likes FPS-type games on the PC when we were buying games for the PC. In fact most of us depise them. Halo is a pile of shit just like all FPS's. Pretty much the only people who praise it or even have anything nice to say about are PC gamers like you.
>It's nothing to do with a utopian fantasy about free software... Linux
>users just want free beer. It's a sad thing for those of us who want
>to use Linux for anything else. We get told over and over "Use the
>right tool for the right job. What you want is Windows." Hmmm, Windows
>to run office software. Windows to browse the Web with a decent
>browser. Windows to play games. Well, as it turns out that's all I use
> a computer for these days.
>So, in essence, what the "community" tells the rest of us, day in and
>day out, is "get lost and go back to Windows." Not because of any
>principle, but because they're deathly afraid they might become
>mainstream.
>
>
We watched as you and your kind *RUINED* the Amiga and Atari ST computers as viable systems with your bullshit and half-baked ideas and it'll be a cold day in hell before we'll let you do the same kind of crap to Linux. So pack your bags and get out. You won't be missed.
>Oh, no? I know many computer professionals who have a PS(2) as a
>gaming platform. Why? Compare the prices...what costs a PC that plays
>the newest funkiest games and what costs a playstation? I mean, you
>cannot keep a PC for 5 years as a top gaming machine...but for a
>console that is normal...and the games get better because the
>programmers master the machines. Besides, you don't have to worry
>about DirectX, drivers and crashes. "It just works".
>
>
Name one game for the PC that make you laugh in pure joy while watching an *AD* for it. Watch the ad for "State of Emergency" for the PS2 at an Electronic Boutique. If it doesn't crack you up,nothing will. The PS2 has brought the concept of *FUN* back to playing games.
>I can't see this as being good for PS2 sales - fortunately they've
>sold a lot of consoles already - as some customers enjoy being able to
>play games that were not designed for their world region, or which did
>not have enough of an appeal in a specific market to warrant a full
>distribution. A sad day for nipponophile PS2 gamers.
>
Get a life. Nobody gives a damn if a jackass like you can't buy a mod chip for your PS2. Get over it. Nobody really wants losers like you around anyway. Just ask people who hang out in the MAME and other emulation groups.
>Well, thats it guys, youve just read the obituary of commercial gaming
>on linux.
>
>
>
No,this pretty much spells the death of the PC as a platform for gaming. Just look at the reaction to the annoucement. PC gamer are acting like Linux users were supposed to run out and buy ports of PC games they didn't want or had no interest in,and now are getting bent out of shape over the fact. The real story here that nobody want to talk about is that the Linux userbase is made up of a large number of people who either have absolutely no interest in PC gaming or have totally abandoned the PC as a gaming platform (PS1/PS2/GameCube owners for instance). Just take a look the XMAS of the PS2 for instance. It's been stated that Sony sold over *5 MILLION* PS2's over XMAS world-wide. No wonder the PC gaming community is shitting in their pants over the lack of interest in PC games they see in the Linux community.
>I hope with growing acceptance of Linux there might be a revival of >Linux gaming at some point.... But for the time being the attitude >seems to be Everything-On-Linux-Must-Be-Free-Beer. People who are >willing to buy Windows games are unwilling to buy the Linux version >(even though they claim that they want it). Instead they expect it to >be supplied for free. I really hope this changes in the future. :-(
>
>
Get real asswipe. I'm happily playing Final Fanstasy X on my PS2. Give me *ONE REASON* why I should give a damn about the crap games you claim to work on. You can't. The fact is that that a major change has taken place with the release of the Playstation 2. A lot of people who use Linux have quite simply abandoned the PC as a means of playing games on, and we're not coming back. So you and the rest of the losers that make up the PC gaming community can bitch and whine all you like about how Linux users are too cheap to buy the shoddy crap people like you create/produce and people like myself will be laughing out heads off at you while buying and playing games like "Devil May Cry" and "Twisted Metal Black" and "SOE" on our PS2's.
LOSER.
>Well, friend, if you don't buy games, there won't be any more games,
>so you *for sure* won't get any games you were interested in ported to
>Linux, and you will *continue* to need Windows to play all of your
>games.
>Do you feel smarter now, or do you just feel a little bit lighter in
>the pocketbook for all the copies of Windows you will continue to buy
>for the next decade, just to play some games...
>Or do you just warez your Windows?
>Sometimes I get very disappointed in the Linux "community" who seems
>to be more bark than bite.
>
>
Get a life asshole. I can't *STAND* the kind of garbage games Loki and the rest of the PC game companies produce these days,which is why I now own a PS2. I will never again buy a game for my PC. I've gotten out of the PC upgrading rat race for good. PC gaming losers like you can bitch and moan all you like, but I am not goint to spend a *SINGLE CENT* of *MY* money on PC games *I DON'T WANT TO OWN OR PLAY* no matter if they run on Windows or Linux. I will be renting and buying games for my PS2 on the other hand. What dipshit like you don't seem to be able to comprend is that there are a huge number of people like myself *WHO CAN'T STAND THE GAMES ON THE PC PLATFORM AND REFUSE TO WASTE OUR MONEY ON THEM.*
>I think AOL would have been very unwise to issue this suit without
>their lawyers knowing exactly what Red Hat will say when Microsoft
>calls them to the stand. And you just know that MS has to call Red Hat
>to the stand to ask the magic question: "who is Red Hat's largest
>source of competition?" The answer is Microsoft, and that gives MS
>room to wiggle in their bogus claim that they can't be a monopoly if
>they have a billion dollar company for competition.
>
>
>
How is Microsoft RedHat's largest source of competition? As far as i can tell, RedHat doesn't give a rat's ass about the Windows userbase. RedHat doesn't create/publish software for Windows.
Never heard of it or seen it. Doesn't sound like I missed very much either....
>which made me think of this game [slashdot.org], 25 years later.
>
Wait till they get a look at the new PS2 game the Grand Theft Auto 3 gang is releasing. Nothing like a good old fashion riot.....
>There is, it's called Halo and most gaming sites think it's at least
>1/5 as good as MGS2.
>
>
Heh. Braindead PC gamers praising yet another braindead PCish FPS. Yeah. Devil May Cry for the PS2 shows just how lame Halo and FPS games really are.
>There's a lack of 3rd party support for the XBox? When did Microsoft
>buy all of these companies currently making games for the XBox?
Get real. Most of those games are *VAPORWARE* They don't actually exist. In most cases what you see displayed especially at places like EB that jumped on the Xbox bandwagon is a empty cardboard box that comes with vague techobabble from EB employees (like you) about some vague release date in the future.
>*cough* [easybuy2000.com]. I meant you'll the same-no brandname players with mp3 support selling at Wal-mart for $39.99 and under. I find the stuff at Wal-mart and K-mart to actually be cheaper than at most of the online sites.
You can now buy a portable AM/FM cdrom player that'll play CDR's you burn at Wal-mart for $39.99. In a few months you'll be seeing versions of these things that'll have support for MP3's burned on CDR's.
Doesn't this make spending $$$ for a Rio Riot or Lyra Personal Jukebox a wee bit silly?
PC gamers are nothing but a bunch of lamers?
> as good as RPM
>:lol !
>Have you seen apt ?
>
And does anybody actually care? *NO*