1. Linux programs work fine out of the box for me, 95% of the time.
2. I had more trouble getting windows to work with my hardware than linux.(Old hardware, or bad drivers, on several different PC's
3. Go to download.com and skim some windows software. Read the ratings. A lot of it is broken/hard to get working, too.
4. Sometimes software requires tweaking. Windows software too.
5. Finally, with linux/Open software, if something is broken, I can read the readme and FIX IT. With many windows, closed, no-source no-documentation software, I'm out of luck.
I agree with you. This is dumb. We will all keep yelling about michael until it is publicly addressed, someone is responded to, or we all leave. I'm not leaving, are you?
By the way, I've got "excellent" karma and a + 2 bonus...so here i got to lose 3...karma suicide...*jumps*
If you google for it, you'll find that WiMP has had a bit of good spyware in it. Quicktime keeps pestering me to register. I use winamp...when i'm in win32. Real at least has a linux player...not that i'd ever use it. *shrug*
Mandrake runs fine on my pentium 166. the graphical installer is slow...and the text installer is just fine. Just install the minimum packages - and you have a nice, sweet system with no X for 100MB. Yes, that's mandrake. The "big, bloated, ugly-but-easy-to-install" mandrake. *shrug*.
Compile your own. Something's wrong with the binary's, don't ask me what. I had problems, I then compiled my own, and they were beautiful. no problems.
Deno posted about this on the Mandrake Forums. They exist, they are not supported, and available to club members only (and non-club members, if a club member distributes them, they are GPL'd, as all MD software). Good luck, anyone finding them.
You can send me your dvd, if you don't want it. I'll pay shipping. The OpenGL drivers you got worked fine for me - did you (re)compile them, because MD uses GCC 3, and not 2.X - binary incompatibility there dude. Sorry...
That made me laugh. I don't even know why Mandrake doesn't just make everyone learn a bit on install. Oh well, not my distro - I don't own MDsoft. But - I can say that if you have any idea about what you are doing, hit the expert button on Mandrake. It makes things clearer, function better. And being able to do individual package selection is nice.
Personally, I'm getting sick of the "do the dummy thing: next-next-next-next" install/reviews. Put some time into it, please - let us know what Mandrake/RH/Suse/Debian is like when you really work on it. And I know, I know, she talked to Mandrake about her problems. I just wanted a bit more than "the default them sucked. bla." Maybe check out the other, cooler themes? suggest going to the plf and getting some nicer themes??? Just a thought.
X/GUI - I've had X crash - but that was with bad NVIDIA configuration. Otherwise it has been rock solid. the UI I use makes sense to me...but then I have just a bit of experience. I can think of many UI's that I just don't like so much. IceWM is where it's at baby. : )
The *nix desktops are all pretty nice - virtual desktops make my life just that much better. If you come from Windows, and want Linux to be Just Like Windows (tm) - you're stuck. If you want a great system, with options, and tools, and stability galore, that has it's own way of doing things - then *nix, and Mandrake 9.0, isn't too bad at all. Just don't expect it to be Windows. Don't expect it to do all that windows does. I just love it for what it is...
Too Many Programs - I like the choices I have. That's what they are - choices. You can install as many tools as you want. or you can not. it's about choice. I like playing with Konsole, Xterm, rxvt, aterm, etc. Windows users don't mind having four media players (WiMP, the DIVX Playa, QT, Real...) at least our apps all do what they are supposed to - I don't have 5 terminal clients cuz I have to, but because I want to!
Not to say that I don't agree with you on some points...just don't let it ruin your Linux experience because you can't change your resolution. Love it for what it is and does - and positively critizice, suggest, help, and write code. Eventually we'll get there.
I have modpoints but I'd rather just agree with you - Icewm, with its themes, lightness, options, and double-height toolbar is whta does it for me. it makes me happy. And I can choose. Linux is free - and that means more than just $$$'s. makes me happy.
My emails from years ago are available too. Via Mozilla. on my hard drive, not the net. And originally from outlook.
Three installs of windows (at least) Outlook in 98, to outlook in 98, to outlook in 98, outlook 5.5, outlook 6, saved to disk, and now in ~/backup/correspondence/*.eml, look at them all. They open just fine. That's comforting - glad that they aren't gone forever...
And I do believe their import utility is good for outlook as well - although i've only tried it once, with success, and that was ~ moz.9.8...of course it can't read from my hotmail account directly...but that's for other reasons.
And yes, mozilla _does_ rule. : D
But if they lose $XYZ for every system sold - how much do they lose for each system built? Don't they re-imburse the seller before the system is sold? So by the time it hits the shelf, hasn't MS already spent that $20-40? So by not buying, you don't send money back up the pipe - the seller and the manufacturer and MS never see a dime from that XBOX.
It's just an idea - but doesn't that make more sense?
I have taken a couple of CSE assembly courses. The answer, as best I know is that this is Possible -- but like climbing Everest is possible, too, it really isn't practical to do every time you want to convert a game. Unless someone's written a bit-by-bit translator, which is possible - you'll probably have to do it by hand. Line by line conversions of binary or assembly. Yuck.
But then again, I don't know quite how emulators work - by translating code line by line or just "faking" a total system to the code they emulate for. Does anybody have experience in emulation?
Who says that MS will support it forever? They. Won't. So eventually you will have an unsupported OS. Maybe you don't care - but who says some coder won't release a virus that exploits some newly discovered hole in win2K - and MS doesn't patch the hole - win2K is no longer "supported." You Are Screwed.
I use Moz on a pentium 2 266. It loads reasonably well (about as fast as IE, i mean) without the quick-load option. *shrug*. Because I can use tabs, and not seperate windows, for each page/comment/article of slashdot I open up, I save a little bit of memory, I beleive. I like it, it works for me..but then i'm just preaching to the anti-MS choir here...
I checked mozdev-googlebar. So far it doesn't seem to say anything about phoenix - but by the time they hit another milestone or three perhaps the googlebar will work on both mozilla and phoenix. Try submitting it as a request...
People sometimes just ignore the facts. You learn to deal with it.
Add to that already-beautiful list of "mozilla is sweeter" features:
Portability - I can use the same browser on my linux box at home as I can in the windows labs at my university - which is great, IMO.
Mozilla Composer/Mail/Add-ons - free stuff that people forget are included with the full install - you shouldn't ignore those nice freebies.
There are several other "cool" things I like about Moz, like zoom ( ctrl + ), image blocking by server, etc. - but I don't know if IE implements these as well.
Moz isn't perfect, no. But it is my favorite. Phoenix is pretty sweet though - it may steal my browsing crown soon.
On slashdot, as in Real Life, worry less about what someone says, and more about what they actually do.
In other words: the people on slashdot don't have to get under your skin. If, tomorrow, Linus/Alan/major Linux person/LSB says that cutn&paste has to be implemented some way, as standard, then is the time to let it worry you if you don't like it.
Slashdot is almost entirely talk. Read through it to find the content, the wisdom, the knowledge. But don't let it offend you...if you can help it.
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look at his posting history. it's the guy.
1. Linux programs work fine out of the box for me, 95% of the time.
2. I had more trouble getting windows to work with my hardware than linux.(Old hardware, or bad drivers, on several different PC's
3. Go to download.com and skim some windows software. Read the ratings. A lot of it is broken/hard to get working, too.
4. Sometimes software requires tweaking. Windows software too.
5. Finally, with linux/Open software, if something is broken, I can read the readme and FIX IT. With many windows, closed, no-source no-documentation software, I'm out of luck.
Just a reminder of how life is sometimes.
Karma to burn my friend.
I agree with you. This is dumb. We will all keep yelling about michael until it is publicly addressed, someone is responded to, or we all leave. I'm not leaving, are you?
By the way, I've got "excellent" karma and a + 2 bonus...so here i got to lose 3...karma suicide...*jumps*
If you google for it, you'll find that WiMP has had a bit of good spyware in it. Quicktime keeps pestering me to register. I use winamp...when i'm in win32. Real at least has a linux player...not that i'd ever use it. *shrug*
couldn't have put it better myself.
Look! I have an opinion! It's at least somewhat right! It's just a little bit negative...I must be a troll! whee!!!
Nazi mod alarm: ding-ding-ding!!!
Actually I agree with you. 95 is best left to die. 98 is decent. 2K really is the best so far. XP...well..we all know about XP.
Mandrake runs fine on my pentium 166. the graphical installer is slow...and the text installer is just fine. Just install the minimum packages - and you have a nice, sweet system with no X for 100MB. Yes, that's mandrake. The "big, bloated, ugly-but-easy-to-install" mandrake. *shrug*.
#start sarcasm
... and ...
No dude. Only up Distro numbers when you switch to a new major kernel number. ONLY then. Otherwise you are just fake.
#stop sarcasm
yeah. don't forget new Mozilla from 8.2, and OpenOffice 1, and completely new Mandrake Control Center, and msec, and
Compile your own. Something's wrong with the binary's, don't ask me what. I had problems, I then compiled my own, and they were beautiful. no problems.
Go here. Browse. Smile - your cd burner is $54. Free shipping, plus a 10 free cd's. 40x speed burner.
Newegg has the best service of any place online. My last order, I ordered it this past monday, I got it wednesday.
I don't work for Newegg. They don't pay me anything.
Deno posted about this on the Mandrake Forums. They exist, they are not supported, and available to club members only (and non-club members, if a club member distributes them, they are GPL'd, as all MD software). Good luck, anyone finding them.
"...killing a blue whale with a Nerf bat..."
lol...
You can send me your dvd, if you don't want it. I'll pay shipping. The OpenGL drivers you got worked fine for me - did you (re)compile them, because MD uses GCC 3, and not 2.X - binary incompatibility there dude. Sorry...
"...instead of the Retard install button..."
That made me laugh. I don't even know why Mandrake doesn't just make everyone learn a bit on install. Oh well, not my distro - I don't own MDsoft. But - I can say that if you have any idea about what you are doing, hit the expert button on Mandrake. It makes things clearer, function better. And being able to do individual package selection is nice.
Personally, I'm getting sick of the "do the dummy thing: next-next-next-next" install/reviews. Put some time into it, please - let us know what Mandrake/RH/Suse/Debian is like when you really work on it. And I know, I know, she talked to Mandrake about her problems. I just wanted a bit more than "the default them sucked. bla." Maybe check out the other, cooler themes? suggest going to the plf and getting some nicer themes??? Just a thought.
X/GUI - I've had X crash - but that was with bad NVIDIA configuration. Otherwise it has been rock solid. the UI I use makes sense to me...but then I have just a bit of experience. I can think of many UI's that I just don't like so much. IceWM is where it's at baby. : )
The *nix desktops are all pretty nice - virtual desktops make my life just that much better. If you come from Windows, and want Linux to be Just Like Windows (tm) - you're stuck. If you want a great system, with options, and tools, and stability galore, that has it's own way of doing things - then *nix, and Mandrake 9.0, isn't too bad at all. Just don't expect it to be Windows. Don't expect it to do all that windows does. I just love it for what it is...
Too Many Programs - I like the choices I have. That's what they are - choices. You can install as many tools as you want. or you can not. it's about choice. I like playing with Konsole, Xterm, rxvt, aterm, etc. Windows users don't mind having four media players (WiMP, the DIVX Playa, QT, Real...) at least our apps all do what they are supposed to - I don't have 5 terminal clients cuz I have to, but because I want to!
Not to say that I don't agree with you on some points...just don't let it ruin your Linux experience because you can't change your resolution. Love it for what it is and does - and positively critizice, suggest, help, and write code. Eventually we'll get there.
: )
dang. you are right. ROX rocks. it rules my world. It's fast, neat. snazzy. wowzer. HuzzAH!
I have modpoints but I'd rather just agree with you - Icewm, with its themes, lightness, options, and double-height toolbar is whta does it for me. it makes me happy. And I can choose. Linux is free - and that means more than just $$$'s. makes me happy.
My emails from years ago are available too. Via Mozilla. on my hard drive, not the net. And originally from outlook.
.9.8...of course it can't read from my hotmail account directly...but that's for other reasons.
And yes, mozilla _does_ rule. : D
Three installs of windows (at least) Outlook in 98, to outlook in 98, to outlook in 98, outlook 5.5, outlook 6, saved to disk, and now in ~/backup/correspondence/*.eml, look at them all. They open just fine. That's comforting - glad that they aren't gone forever...
And I do believe their import utility is good for outlook as well - although i've only tried it once, with success, and that was ~ moz
But if they lose $XYZ for every system sold - how much do they lose for each system built? Don't they re-imburse the seller before the system is sold? So by the time it hits the shelf, hasn't MS already spent that $20-40? So by not buying, you don't send money back up the pipe - the seller and the manufacturer and MS never see a dime from that XBOX.
It's just an idea - but doesn't that make more sense?
I have taken a couple of CSE assembly courses. The answer, as best I know is that this is Possible -- but like climbing Everest is possible, too, it really isn't practical to do every time you want to convert a game. Unless someone's written a bit-by-bit translator, which is possible - you'll probably have to do it by hand. Line by line conversions of binary or assembly. Yuck.
But then again, I don't know quite how emulators work - by translating code line by line or just "faking" a total system to the code they emulate for. Does anybody have experience in emulation?
Who says that MS will support it forever? They. Won't. So eventually you will have an unsupported OS. Maybe you don't care - but who says some coder won't release a virus that exploits some newly discovered hole in win2K - and MS doesn't patch the hole - win2K is no longer "supported." You Are Screwed.
Forced upgrades? What forced upgrades?
I use Moz on a pentium 2 266. It loads reasonably well (about as fast as IE, i mean) without the quick-load option. *shrug*. Because I can use tabs, and not seperate windows, for each page/comment/article of slashdot I open up, I save a little bit of memory, I beleive. I like it, it works for me..but then i'm just preaching to the anti-MS choir here...
I checked mozdev-googlebar. So far it doesn't seem to say anything about phoenix - but by the time they hit another milestone or three perhaps the googlebar will work on both mozilla and phoenix. Try submitting it as a request...
People sometimes just ignore the facts. You learn to deal with it.
Add to that already-beautiful list of "mozilla is sweeter" features:
Portability - I can use the same browser on my linux box at home as I can in the windows labs at my university - which is great, IMO.
Mozilla Composer/Mail/Add-ons - free stuff that people forget are included with the full install - you shouldn't ignore those nice freebies.
There are several other "cool" things I like about Moz, like zoom ( ctrl + ), image blocking by server, etc. - but I don't know if IE implements these as well.
Moz isn't perfect, no. But it is my favorite. Phoenix is pretty sweet though - it may steal my browsing crown soon.
On slashdot, as in Real Life, worry less about what someone says, and more about what they actually do.
In other words: the people on slashdot don't have to get under your skin. If, tomorrow, Linus/Alan/major Linux person/LSB says that cutn&paste has to be implemented some way, as standard, then is the time to let it worry you if you don't like it.
Slashdot is almost entirely talk. Read through it to find the content, the wisdom, the knowledge. But don't let it offend you...if you can help it.
Sometimes its fun to flamewar though... : )