They should have taken that 1.1 Billion and put it into scholorships and grants, have you looked at the price of college these days, or how many OSS programmers could we pay to get equal, if not better functionality/stability/security then Microsofts programms. I dont know, but i think for 1.1 billion you could produce program for program exactly what microsoft has, and then you would at least have 3 compeating systems (Linux on the desktop is slow to take hold but its finnaly getting there). Choice == power for the consumer.
Im sorry but trying to break up a monopoly by fining a company and equivelenly buying that same amount of product FROM THE SAME COMPANY is stupid. Your going to extend thier monopoly and you havent done squat.
that the speed of a clockless chip increases as the power increases, so for benchmarking purposes, if a chip fell behind a comparible clocked chip, all one has to do is increase the voltage to perform more work/instructions. Of coarse there is probably a limit to how much voltage the pathways and transistors will be able to take, but its a novel idea for overclockers, eg. I got mine up to 12.5356 volts while yours only got to 12.2872.
As long as there consistant, take IBM for instance and there OS360 - 370 - 3081(???) - 390 - z/Arch/OS.... what the hell is that, they couldnt roll to 400 because of the AS/400 but there nameing standards could have been much better, and they should have seen 20 yrs ago that they were going to have naming conflicts.
is your best bet, that is if you can wait. And even know it will be a 1.0 on the *nix side, by the time you are done developing it their should be a update or a upgrade. You should be able just to copy the src over and build on the win32 system without any problems.
Yeah but 12 million for 50 employees and the source for BeOS is a little steep dont you think? When you could have paid the salery of 500 programmers and had a product designed for the application, not a desktop OS crammed into a pda? I thought that was what palm was about, simplicity, and elegance, and not a overstuffed pda masq as a laptop.
Well acording to this article, it sounds like Corp America isnt tech savy enough to run linux without nice gui point and click conf interfaces. Figures...
Palm does need a new OS, but i think that the purchase of Be Inc. is not cost effective and is actually the worst decision carl has made as ceo, for 12 million, it is way overpriced, and their desperate to get something new out after they stock price went from $165 to a $1.98. The time to port and market the new BeOS will probably be at least a year. Dont get me wrong i like BeOS, and i like my palmpilot, ive had several over the years, but i think they could have hired some programmers and had a OS ready in the same time it will take to port BeOS. Just my 2 cents.
going to help out developers? Im not familier with these specs, but is it going to say help the device driver writer any by providing an easier means to access device registers, I/O addresses/data and such? Are they trying to implement a standardized device api or somthing. If the answer is yes to any of these questions then im all for them duking it out and picking ONE of these as a replacement for pci. But if pc manufactures start spec wars again, i think im going to stick with current hardware.
as a ISP admin, they were running this kludge of NT and Novell servers. Well needless to say after about 6 months of them crashing every few days the admin was fired and i was told to "fix the servers". I fixed them allright, but not in the way my boss had in mind. He had spent about $15000 in total on all the OS's these servers were running and after i switched them all he was pissed that i did with a $1.98 what he spent so much on. I installed FreeBSD on everything, used cistron radius, apache, squid, named, sendmail/pop3d, MySql, asked for a check to buy a billing program, and bought platypus. The first year we had a uptime of 320 some odd days, and only rebooted the servers to go from 2.0 to 2.2 kernels. The only problem with this was i put myself out of a job. My hours were cut back because their was nothing to do. Now im working on an OS/390 for a diferent company, but i still consult for the ISP.
I think that the new "Yes you can" motto of M$ will be met with the cry of "No i wont" by millions of Americans, the rest are sheep that dont/want to know any better.
Linux is being used solely for the weather.com site, it was down for a couple of days, but i dont know if its bacause of my companys proxy. (they use the other guys software). Its running on a G5 S/390 i think. Here is the link
Programmers, mathematician, inherently cant spell. I think it has to do with working on code that, to the average person, looks like gibberish.
Take for instance:
int i;main(){for(;i["]<i;++i){--i;}"];read('-'-'-',i++ +"hell\
o, world!\n",'/'/'/'));}read(j,i,p){write(j/p+p,i---j ,i/i);}
Most people, (programmers alike) cringe at the site of something like this, and working with something like this on a daily basis can cause ones spelling skills to diminish rapidly, but that doesent make someone not "smart".
No they should progress through software versons when new feature sets become available, (Note i dont care about their new features, version 2) but they shouldnt CHARGE ME for an update to the stuff i allready bought(also version 2, should be a patch for ver 1), give me a patch. If i wanted to pay for support after ive allready bought the product, i would have bought a M$ product.
Im not happy about this either, i spent way to much to buy kylix, and now they release ver 2 which should have been an update. Needless to say i wont be buying ver 2, and after this I probably wont buy another version of kylix ever again, nor will i recomend it to anyone.
Its kind of hard to believe that anyone that is trying to create a router (or mp3 player) would be intimidated by linux. Your comment sounds like a shameless plug for microsnot products to me.
Nice thought, but this isnt going to help, i mean, come on, there are tons of un-employed web developers out there right now. This might give them a skill, but it does not help them find a job, and in a field that has been hit with so many layoffs and job cuts, i would think that this would end up pissing off most of these new students when they got out in the real world and tried to apply there new-found talents in an industry, for the most part, that doesent want/need them.
Well as much as i would love to get rid of the 8086 baggage, I think they are alternatives that would be just as easy that would allow us to keep the legacy.
As an asm programmer all that i would want is 1 opcode and some acompanying microcode for each mode of the processor. For instance init32 would do all the work i would have had to do myself of creating my GDT, LDT an IDT (Global, Local, and Interupt descriptor tables) initiate memory paging and other asorted stuff. It wouldnt, actually i should say couldnt, fill out any of these tables for me, but it would be a start.
Another feature i would like is the ability for all the controlers on the system bus (IDE, Video, Sound, etc..) to have an interface that would be easier to work with in asm. Eg. access the HD without LCHS->LBA->PCHS, or init a gfx mode, and be able to write to a frame buffer more easily. (VBE was a nice thought, but poorly implemented, and is somewhat dificult to use.)
It would just as easy to do this for 64bit mode. Actually i dont know why intel has not done this before, i would save me quite a bit of code to bootstrap and init an OS.
I so totaly agree. Seems like a waste of a lot of venture capital funding that could go to other projects that could use it. Windows in linux is not compelling enough for me (Or most people for that matter) to shell out $99. Bad buisness model imo, why not take that money and invest it into the so called mainstream applications that linux is lacking. Hell for a couple of million i think i can produce probably an exact clone of most applications that is native for windows.
If it is indeed overheating, i can see this as being a fire hazard if placed next to equipment that produce a large amount of heat, like my replaytv (Even with all the extra fans i have put into it, with an extra hard drive it still gets very hot). Will we get reports of entertainment centers spontaniusly combusting?
"I swear, i was playing halo and that last grenade blew up my entertainment center.";9
Although i do have to agree with you on the gnome/kde thing, a GUI in C is just as easy as a GUI in C++, granted oop is nicer for widgets etc... its still just as easy to initialize and use widgets writen in C. But its really apples and oranges were talking about here, they both get the job done, it really is just a mater of what language the programmer prefers.
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They should have taken that 1.1 Billion and put it into scholorships and grants, have you looked at the price of college these days, or how many OSS programmers could we pay to get equal, if not better functionality/stability/security then Microsofts programms. I dont know, but i think for 1.1 billion you could produce program for program exactly what microsoft has, and then you would at least have 3 compeating systems (Linux on the desktop is slow to take hold but its finnaly getting there). Choice == power for the consumer.
Im sorry but trying to break up a monopoly by fining a company and equivelenly buying that same amount of product FROM THE SAME COMPANY is stupid. Your going to extend thier monopoly and you havent done squat.
a subset of quantum computing to me. Mabey it will get us one step closer to quantum computing being a reality for joe luser.
God you guys are making me feel old, i remember when i thought the 2600 was the height of gaming. You know you can only play so much pong.... ;9
that the speed of a clockless chip increases as the power increases, so for benchmarking purposes, if a chip fell behind a comparible clocked chip, all one has to do is increase the voltage to perform more work/instructions. Of coarse there is probably a limit to how much voltage the pathways and transistors will be able to take, but its a novel idea for overclockers, eg. I got mine up to 12.5356 volts while yours only got to 12.2872.
As long as there consistant, take IBM for instance and there OS360 - 370 - 3081(???) - 390 - z/Arch/OS.... what the hell is that, they couldnt roll to 400 because of the AS/400 but there nameing standards could have been much better, and they should have seen 20 yrs ago that they were going to have naming conflicts.
is your best bet, that is if you can wait. And even know it will be a 1.0 on the *nix side, by the time you are done developing it their should be a update or a upgrade. You should be able just to copy the src over and build on the win32 system without any problems.
Yeah but 12 million for 50 employees and the source for BeOS is a little steep dont you think? When you could have paid the salery of 500 programmers and had a product designed for the application, not a desktop OS crammed into a pda? I thought that was what palm was about, simplicity, and elegance, and not a overstuffed pda masq as a laptop.
Well acording to this article, it sounds like Corp America isnt tech savy enough to run linux without nice gui point and click conf interfaces. Figures...
Palm does need a new OS, but i think that the purchase of Be Inc. is not cost effective and is actually the worst decision carl has made as ceo, for 12 million, it is way overpriced, and their desperate to get something new out after they stock price went from $165 to a $1.98. The time to port and market the new BeOS will probably be at least a year. Dont get me wrong i like BeOS, and i like my palmpilot, ive had several over the years, but i think they could have hired some programmers and had a OS ready in the same time it will take to port BeOS. Just my 2 cents.
heh, ramen is cheeper 11 cents per pkg, although dennisons chili can help heat the place... so i guess its a matter of climate ;9
going to help out developers? Im not familier with these specs, but is it going to say help the device driver writer any by providing an easier means to access device registers, I/O addresses/data and such? Are they trying to implement a standardized device api or somthing. If the answer is yes to any of these questions then im all for them duking it out and picking ONE of these as a replacement for pci. But if pc manufactures start spec wars again, i think im going to stick with current hardware.
as a ISP admin, they were running this kludge of NT and Novell servers. Well needless to say after about 6 months of them crashing every few days the admin was fired and i was told to "fix the servers". I fixed them allright, but not in the way my boss had in mind. He had spent about $15000 in total on all the OS's these servers were running and after i switched them all he was pissed that i did with a $1.98 what he spent so much on. I installed FreeBSD on everything, used cistron radius, apache, squid, named, sendmail/pop3d, MySql, asked for a check to buy a billing program, and bought platypus. The first year we had a uptime of 320 some odd days, and only rebooted the servers to go from 2.0 to 2.2 kernels. The only problem with this was i put myself out of a job. My hours were cut back because their was nothing to do. Now im working on an OS/390 for a diferent company, but i still consult for the ISP.
I think that the new "Yes you can" motto of M$ will be met with the cry of "No i wont" by millions of Americans, the rest are sheep that dont/want to know any better.
Linux is being used solely for the weather.com site, it was down for a couple of days, but i dont know if its bacause of my companys proxy. (they use the other guys software). Its running on a G5 S/390 i think. Here is the link
Then just list masters or bachlors when applying, your not lying, you have those degrees too ;9
Programmers, mathematician, inherently cant spell. I think it has to do with working on code that, to the average person, looks like gibberish.
+ +"hell\
j ,i/i);}
Take for instance:
int i;main(){for(;i["]<i;++i){--i;}"];read('-'-'-',i+
o, world!\n",'/'/'/'));}read(j,i,p){write(j/p+p,i---
Most people, (programmers alike) cringe at the site of something like this, and working with something like this on a daily basis can cause ones spelling skills to diminish rapidly, but that doesent make someone not "smart".
No they should progress through software versons when new feature sets become available, (Note i dont care about their new features, version 2) but they shouldnt CHARGE ME for an update to the stuff i allready bought(also version 2, should be a patch for ver 1), give me a patch. If i wanted to pay for support after ive allready bought the product, i would have bought a M$ product.
Im not happy about this either, i spent way to much to buy kylix, and now they release ver 2 which should have been an update. Needless to say i wont be buying ver 2, and after this I probably wont buy another version of kylix ever again, nor will i recomend it to anyone.
Considering that you can build a 2TB File server for under $5000 i would say both of them are overpriced ;9
Its kind of hard to believe that anyone that is trying to create a router (or mp3 player) would be intimidated by linux. Your comment sounds like a shameless plug for microsnot products to me.
Nice thought, but this isnt going to help, i mean, come on, there are tons of un-employed web developers out there right now. This might give them a skill, but it does not help them find a job, and in a field that has been hit with so many layoffs and job cuts, i would think that this would end up pissing off most of these new students when they got out in the real world and tried to apply there new-found talents in an industry, for the most part, that doesent want/need them.
Well as much as i would love to get rid of the 8086 baggage, I think they are alternatives that would be just as easy that would allow us to keep the legacy. As an asm programmer all that i would want is 1 opcode and some acompanying microcode for each mode of the processor. For instance init32 would do all the work i would have had to do myself of creating my GDT, LDT an IDT (Global, Local, and Interupt descriptor tables) initiate memory paging and other asorted stuff. It wouldnt, actually i should say couldnt, fill out any of these tables for me, but it would be a start. Another feature i would like is the ability for all the controlers on the system bus (IDE, Video, Sound, etc..) to have an interface that would be easier to work with in asm. Eg. access the HD without LCHS->LBA->PCHS, or init a gfx mode, and be able to write to a frame buffer more easily. (VBE was a nice thought, but poorly implemented, and is somewhat dificult to use.) It would just as easy to do this for 64bit mode. Actually i dont know why intel has not done this before, i would save me quite a bit of code to bootstrap and init an OS.
I so totaly agree. Seems like a waste of a lot of venture capital funding that could go to other projects that could use it. Windows in linux is not compelling enough for me (Or most people for that matter) to shell out $99. Bad buisness model imo, why not take that money and invest it into the so called mainstream applications that linux is lacking. Hell for a couple of million i think i can produce probably an exact clone of most applications that is native for windows.
If it is indeed overheating, i can see this as being a fire hazard if placed next to equipment that produce a large amount of heat, like my replaytv (Even with all the extra fans i have put into it, with an extra hard drive it still gets very hot). Will we get reports of entertainment centers spontaniusly combusting?
;9
"I swear, i was playing halo and that last grenade blew up my entertainment center."
Although i do have to agree with you on the gnome/kde thing, a GUI in C is just as easy as a GUI in C++, granted oop is nicer for widgets etc... its still just as easy to initialize and use widgets writen in C. But its really apples and oranges were talking about here, they both get the job done, it really is just a mater of what language the programmer prefers.