This isn't a repeal to a simple tax law. It's a repeal to an entire economic base of taxation. This will not get repealed if it gets voted in. Politicians won't do it.
I think the issue is a definition of What is Fat. Consider the Welfare programs. During the Stock Bubble they managed to chop a lot of money out of the Welfare programs. Some argue this was muscle, others fat. Which was it?
A lot of money could be saved if governments simply limited their expansion into areas of interest thereby cutting not only fat, but some muscle and tentacles at the same time
There was a tremendous amount of expansion by the governments during the Stock Bubble. This was countered by a lot of pragmatists who argued with two questions:
Can your expansions survive the Bubble Burst which everyone is predicting?
Why aren't you saving this excess for debt reduction or rainy days?
But politicians don't think that way. They think about using programs to get votes.
Now that they have expanded all their programs and gotten their votes, it's time to pay for it without the Stock Bubble to carry them. What's there two possible choices:
Kill the programs that got me votes.
Grab more money to keep the programs.
It's a well known practice in Political arenas to never kill programs that bring in votes. So guess what the natural progress is going to be?
The Roman Empire did the same thing, as a predecessor to their collapse.
If you can't give a 15 year old a motor vehicles license, then maybe you should allow them on the internet either. That's what you are saying here.
If I want to punish them as an adult, then they should have all the rights and priviledges of an adult as well. Garbage! There's a difference from being a kid and an adult. If you insist that script-kiddies be paid and be allowed to vote, then my response is to ban everyone who is under 21 years of age from the internet. At least then we can be sure that the laws won't be down-played to "Juvey".
If a kid wants to involve himself with deeds which are far from innocent and quite intentional then they should be, and are, prosecuted as an adult. Examples of this currently are rape and murder. Admittedly violent crimes disproportionate to a script kiddie - but intentionally (premeditated) damaging just the same.
No one lets their system get cracked. But I do agree that if you have a known security flaw on your system that goes unaddressed in the face of an existing patch available to you, then you are yourself negligent. In this case, you left the front door of your store wide open and hung a sign, "back in 30 minutes, please don't steal anything." But it still doesn't make the crime OK. Sure it might be dumb to leave the door open, but it's still a crime to take anything that isn't yours.
But if I make Fair and Reasonable Efforts to ensure that my cyber-door is locked by keeping up on security updates, then you have made even more intentional and premeditated efforts on your part to commit the crime. For that, you should be punished more severerly.
He should be held responsible for the real consequences of his actions.
Anything less simply permits the activities to go further. The amount of work involved in recovering from a Cracker is far more extensive than physical graffiti.
I first saw this some 15 years ago in a NASA TechBriefs article. It's been 15 years in the making before someone could propose making a commercially viable product.
After a brief conversation with a Radio Guru in my workplace it was concluded that this is going to be very expensive and with the existing infrastructure of cellular and land-line already inplace, not likely to be adapted as a general use product.
It might be useful for streaming data one way, but it won't do well with two way communications because of the economics of having all your users in dense areas. Even with one way data streaming it's a bit pricey. A better cellular network would kill this in a heartbeat
Now I can associate addresses to the script kiddies trying to break into my servers, hunt them down, and beat the ever loving crap out of them with baseball bats and chains.
I will try not to single out the person who wrote this article..
But it is interesting to witness the decline of the internet. Recall if you can, though we are probably all too young to have witnessed, that the advent of both television and radio where to revolutionize Society and Culture in the world bringing about a Renaissance the likes of which have never been witnessed.
The reality is we have way too many commercials on both Radio and Television (and the Internet?). Additionally, the only content you can find is that which is targeted to the highest spending demographical entitiy in the Society.
There is no cultural revolution. This is a continued example of how the internet will, like all it's predecessors, become nothing more than a petri dish of cultures that are dutifully harvested of whatever monies may come.
Examine carefully the history of Radio and Television before the FCC locked everything down and before the FM spectrum was owned by only a few companies.... This is a repeat of the same.
$1500 for a nice living room TV? Dude! I got my nice 37 inch TV for maybe $300 if that. If you think I am going to spend more for a TV than I do for a computer, just so I can watch hi-def crap...
Seriously, I'll hold onto my stupid analog TV for as long as I can. At least I know that my analog VHS tapes will work and I don't have to spend a modest fortune for a television
If they actually had something on TV that was worth watching, and on a regular basis, you might almost have a point here, but this much money is just too much to ask for. I'd rather donate $1,500 to my local library
Haven't we been getting bashed for not being able to step out ahead of Microsoft but always doggedly trailing whatever they choose to do with User Interface? I think this cinches the arguement that Linux is behind MicroSoft when it comes to the desktop.
Until the Linux community stops promoting KDE because it looks just like windows and stops trying to make XP wannabes we will never ever sustain the argument that we are a group of wannabes ourselves. The point is to make something which is better and to turn the tables and make MicroSoft follow Linux for a change.
When we succeed in doing that, we will have made a credable dent in their territorial claims.
I think he should get a webbie award for one of the most fundamentally flawed web sites I've ever seen!
I started to read it but got motion sick from all the horizontal scrolling. If he wants a sponsor, or even hits, he should consider redesigning his web pages so they don't suck!
Sorry to blow all my Karma Points on this one, but he won't get a sponsor if this is his presentation.
Years ago there were legal rumblings about the copyright/patent protection of XML formats as it pertained to other areas of the internet.
Microsoft was in the middle of this fight and if you were paying any attention then you would have realized that just because someone goes XML means nothing with respect to Open Source. Especially when you consider DMCA and the USPTO.
Any company can create any XML format and go two-faced on the deal. Yes we are Open Source. If you attempt to understand my XML format it's a violation of the DMCA and my IP rights and you will go to jail!
I am not the least surprised by this. XML has distinct advantages that many people would voluntarily choose to use. Including MicroSoft. However, XML can still be "protected".
OK, I read the article. Nothing I didn't already know.
The only salient point in there was the idea that we are too busy blaming someone else when we fall down. That's the kind of Victim attitude that is being fostered in this Welfare State we call America. Ideas like we are all entitled to something or we are dis-enfranchised from something else is all a bunch of whining baby-talk. We did not get to where we are today by being a bunch of sissies. We did it by having more back bone than that.
We won't get anywhere tomorrow at this rate. We are declining all our strengths because we are to busy Consuming the goods we have available to us. No appreciation for the work.
I'm not the least bit surprised that a lot of people outside of the US don't like us. We're jerks. Have you ever looked at how Americans communicate with Europeans on the internet? We think that the entire world should cater to our every whim because 50 years ago we beat the shit out of some dick-head in Germany. Maybe we did a Good Thing, but not that good. We are well on our way to becoming the Emperialist that we so dispised in past generations.
We cannot continue unabated on the notion that we are going to steer the world. Look at the good it's done for Microsoft. We should reconsider our direction and start taking some ownership and make some contributions to the Good Things that are out there.
I am reading too much in the news of other countries who are coming up with not only cool gadgets, but cool technologies and cool science. We're failing. We're getting fat, lazy, and stupid. We're more concerned about our cell phone covers and our SUV's than we are anything else.
and yes I am aware of how many karma points I just threw away...
I got one of these emails in which they claimed that eBay has lost some information and needed me to go to some website and fill in some information about my self.
I never got that far, SpamAssassin stripped out the HTML and exposed all the real URL's.
I forwarded the email to eBay.com but I've never heard anything about it. That was before Thanksgiving or earlier. I didn't keep the original email, it served no purpose to me anymore.
This sounds great. And it will probably be very nice to have. For a while.
This will fail once the script kiddies start to run them. Or you run into someone who starts blocking web pages based on some software that they purchased with no clue what they were doing.
The business model for Internet Connectivity is not the same as it is for nails. I can buy nails and hand them out to anyone I want to with impunity. I clearly cannot do that with Internet Connectivity unless it's against the AUP of my ISP.
I hate to say this, but the real solutions would be to either get it put into place with enough density of users that it become affordable, or to build a network the same way that we have a network of snail mail delivery. Government sponsored business whose mandate it to provide service to everyone, unconditionally.
And you still haven't solved the problem of bandwidth hogs. What do you do, make the hardware bound to 100K so that others can share?
I started with some Que or Sybex Linux book, I think it was one of the Unleashed series. But it had insanely simple step by step instructions. Mind you, at the time I had been a windows user since DOS 2 and had never seen a Unix machine before. It was these instructions that got me past the problems of:
how do you list files (dir / ls)
how do you remove files (del / rm)
similarly, how do you move, copy, rename, backup... All the little stuff
After this (about 3 weeks) I got a slackware installation and used that, with the online docs and HOWTO for about 2 years. Then I went Debian and have stayed
I would not recommend Slackware to a newbie. I would recommend it to someone who wanted to learn about Linux. There is a difference.
I have the O'Reilly Running Linux book. I use it rarely. I do not have a RedHat installation and therefore most of it is not applicable to my environment. I've tried RedHat on several occassions and it's not for me.
The How-To's are really excellent. Once you get past the stage of moving files around, I would introduce them to the How-To's. The "Learning in 24 hours" series is too shallow to have any real value other than to make a sale as a quick fix.
I read the Freep article and it appears that he has centralized all his top level efforts into one location, his home, via a T-1 installation
Would it now be possible to sniff his network and identify the servers that he is talking to (Southfield et al) and then determine the locations that he is using to relay the email through via his own outbound traffic. At this point you should be able to identify the IP domains that are going to send you spam, before they get the message to send the spam.
Or at least be able to identify signature characteristics that you can then block ahead of their arrival and relay back to his source address. An example might be to identify every forged Envelope or Header Sender address as they exit the top tier and have that information available for lookup at the recipient end similar to RBL/Razor. At this point, you would be able to tag that identified user (SuzyQ132@yahoo.com or whatever) and route all incoming mail from that user back to his postmaster@domain.tld as an undeliverable message or access denied.
I got spam beat. I don't get much to begin with, but so far I've managed to absolutely block 492 of 493 spams with zero false positives out of 5500 emails
The idea is outlined here if you are interested in how it can be done so you don't have to keep wading through all the crud. I shouldn't take all the credit though. I just grabbed SpamAssassin and made it do the work for me. The concept is simple enough, the effects are awesome!
Sorry for sounding like spam myself, but this one's actually pretty cool. Code provided if you care to play with it. I won't promise it's perfect, but it's secure and effective.
Recall the problem that Apple Computers ran into with Apple Records (now Columbia?). Apple was permitted to use their name providing that they stayed out of the music reproduction industry.
That lasted until they ran into products like QuickTime which are heavily reliant upon Media Reproduction.
I suspect in the long run that evisa.com may be able tu survive under the condition that they steer clear of Financial Loan functionality
Finally, someone who refuses to snivel. I'll bet he's got a strong backbone too!
I hate to say this in such a generalized term, but he's very right that no one is entitled to have their patch accepted. Americans think everything is an entitlement. That isn't so and the rest of the worlds going to get really pissed of and blow something up.
Just my opinion, but I believe that the government has failed the people it claims to protect. This is more evidence to the Corporatization of America.
The reality of the situation is this:
Nothing connected to the government, in it's current form, is going to make any real attempt to really resolve this problem of monopoly. At least if they do, they won't survive politically. This much is history.
No corporation is going to be held accountable to the degree that a human being would be, even though they are given corpus status under the law.
The only way that this Monopoly can be broken is through a grass-roots compaign
I am willing to be that in the next 3 months Microsoft will drop their tune that Linux is the great threat and begin to look more like the old Microsoft with their brown-shirts and goon-squads.
Those who are the threats today of Microsoft should recall Reichkristallnacht
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2. vote in people who will repeal the tax laws
This isn't a repeal to a simple tax law. It's a repeal to an entire economic base of taxation. This will not get repealed if it gets voted in. Politicians won't do it.
Yes, but we aren't there yet.
I think the issue is a definition of What is Fat. Consider the Welfare programs. During the Stock Bubble they managed to chop a lot of money out of the Welfare programs. Some argue this was muscle, others fat. Which was it?
A lot of money could be saved if governments simply limited their expansion into areas of interest thereby cutting not only fat, but some muscle and tentacles at the same time
There was a tremendous amount of expansion by the governments during the Stock Bubble. This was countered by a lot of pragmatists who argued with two questions:
- Can your expansions survive the Bubble Burst which everyone is predicting?
- Why aren't you saving this excess for debt reduction or rainy days?
But politicians don't think that way. They think about using programs to get votes.Now that they have expanded all their programs and gotten their votes, it's time to pay for it without the Stock Bubble to carry them. What's there two possible choices:
- Kill the programs that got me votes.
- Grab more money to keep the programs.
It's a well known practice in Political arenas to never kill programs that bring in votes. So guess what the natural progress is going to be?The Roman Empire did the same thing, as a predecessor to their collapse.
If you can't give a 15 year old a motor vehicles license, then maybe you should allow them on the internet either. That's what you are saying here.
If I want to punish them as an adult, then they should have all the rights and priviledges of an adult as well. Garbage! There's a difference from being a kid and an adult. If you insist that script-kiddies be paid and be allowed to vote, then my response is to ban everyone who is under 21 years of age from the internet. At least then we can be sure that the laws won't be down-played to "Juvey".
If a kid wants to involve himself with deeds which are far from innocent and quite intentional then they should be, and are, prosecuted as an adult. Examples of this currently are rape and murder. Admittedly violent crimes disproportionate to a script kiddie - but intentionally (premeditated) damaging just the same.
No one lets their system get cracked. But I do agree that if you have a known security flaw on your system that goes unaddressed in the face of an existing patch available to you, then you are yourself negligent. In this case, you left the front door of your store wide open and hung a sign, "back in 30 minutes, please don't steal anything." But it still doesn't make the crime OK. Sure it might be dumb to leave the door open, but it's still a crime to take anything that isn't yours.
But if I make Fair and Reasonable Efforts to ensure that my cyber-door is locked by keeping up on security updates, then you have made even more intentional and premeditated efforts on your part to commit the crime. For that, you should be punished more severerly.
He's old enough to know better.
He should be held responsible for the real consequences of his actions.
Anything less simply permits the activities to go further. The amount of work involved in recovering from a Cracker is far more extensive than physical graffiti.
I'll be forty in two months
Are you expecting me to stop posting to /. in two months? Am I allowed to do cool shit anymore?
What is this place? Logan's run?
I first saw this some 15 years ago in a NASA TechBriefs article. It's been 15 years in the making before someone could propose making a commercially viable product.
After a brief conversation with a Radio Guru in my workplace it was concluded that this is going to be very expensive and with the existing infrastructure of cellular and land-line already inplace, not likely to be adapted as a general use product.
It might be useful for streaming data one way, but it won't do well with two way communications because of the economics of having all your users in dense areas. Even with one way data streaming it's a bit pricey. A better cellular network would kill this in a heartbeat
This is a great concept! I absolutely love it!
Now I can associate addresses to the script kiddies trying to break into my servers, hunt them down, and beat the ever loving crap out of them with baseball bats and chains.
Finally, something useful on the internet!
I will try not to single out the person who wrote this article..
But it is interesting to witness the decline of the internet. Recall if you can, though we are probably all too young to have witnessed, that the advent of both television and radio where to revolutionize Society and Culture in the world bringing about a Renaissance the likes of which have never been witnessed.
The reality is we have way too many commercials on both Radio and Television (and the Internet?). Additionally, the only content you can find is that which is targeted to the highest spending demographical entitiy in the Society.
There is no cultural revolution. This is a continued example of how the internet will, like all it's predecessors, become nothing more than a petri dish of cultures that are dutifully harvested of whatever monies may come.
Examine carefully the history of Radio and Television before the FCC locked everything down and before the FM spectrum was owned by only a few companies.... This is a repeat of the same.
Are you fucking insane?
$1500 for a nice living room TV? Dude! I got my nice 37 inch TV for maybe $300 if that. If you think I am going to spend more for a TV than I do for a computer, just so I can watch hi-def crap...
Seriously, I'll hold onto my stupid analog TV for as long as I can. At least I know that my analog VHS tapes will work and I don't have to spend a modest fortune for a television
If they actually had something on TV that was worth watching, and on a regular basis, you might almost have a point here, but this much money is just too much to ask for. I'd rather donate $1,500 to my local library
It just sounds awefully easy to spoof. And what happens to the entire shopping line if you have grubby fingers and muck up the works?
Please wash your hands before you pay
Haven't we been getting bashed for not being able to step out ahead of Microsoft but always doggedly trailing whatever they choose to do with User Interface? I think this cinches the arguement that Linux is behind MicroSoft when it comes to the desktop.
Until the Linux community stops promoting KDE because it looks just like windows and stops trying to make XP wannabes we will never ever sustain the argument that we are a group of wannabes ourselves. The point is to make something which is better and to turn the tables and make MicroSoft follow Linux for a change.
When we succeed in doing that, we will have made a credable dent in their territorial claims.
I think he should get a webbie award for one of the most fundamentally flawed web sites I've ever seen!
I started to read it but got motion sick from all the horizontal scrolling. If he wants a sponsor, or even hits, he should consider redesigning his web pages so they don't suck!
Sorry to blow all my Karma Points on this one, but he won't get a sponsor if this is his presentation.
Years ago there were legal rumblings about the copyright/patent protection of XML formats as it pertained to other areas of the internet.
Microsoft was in the middle of this fight and if you were paying any attention then you would have realized that just because someone goes XML means nothing with respect to Open Source. Especially when you consider DMCA and the USPTO.
Any company can create any XML format and go two-faced on the deal. Yes we are Open Source. If you attempt to understand my XML format it's a violation of the DMCA and my IP rights and you will go to jail!
I am not the least surprised by this. XML has distinct advantages that many people would voluntarily choose to use. Including MicroSoft. However, XML can still be "protected".
OK, I read the article. Nothing I didn't already know.
The only salient point in there was the idea that we are too busy blaming someone else when we fall down. That's the kind of Victim attitude that is being fostered in this Welfare State we call America. Ideas like we are all entitled to something or we are dis-enfranchised from something else is all a bunch of whining baby-talk. We did not get to where we are today by being a bunch of sissies. We did it by having more back bone than that.
We won't get anywhere tomorrow at this rate. We are declining all our strengths because we are to busy Consuming the goods we have available to us. No appreciation for the work.
I'm not the least bit surprised that a lot of people outside of the US don't like us. We're jerks. Have you ever looked at how Americans communicate with Europeans on the internet? We think that the entire world should cater to our every whim because 50 years ago we beat the shit out of some dick-head in Germany. Maybe we did a Good Thing, but not that good. We are well on our way to becoming the Emperialist that we so dispised in past generations.
We cannot continue unabated on the notion that we are going to steer the world. Look at the good it's done for Microsoft. We should reconsider our direction and start taking some ownership and make some contributions to the Good Things that are out there.
I am reading too much in the news of other countries who are coming up with not only cool gadgets, but cool technologies and cool science. We're failing. We're getting fat, lazy, and stupid. We're more concerned about our cell phone covers and our SUV's than we are anything else.
and yes I am aware of how many karma points I just threw away...
I got one of these emails in which they claimed that eBay has lost some information and needed me to go to some website and fill in some information about my self.
I never got that far, SpamAssassin stripped out the HTML and exposed all the real URL's.
I forwarded the email to eBay.com but I've never heard anything about it. That was before Thanksgiving or earlier. I didn't keep the original email, it served no purpose to me anymore.
This sounds great. And it will probably be very nice to have. For a while.
This will fail once the script kiddies start to run them. Or you run into someone who starts blocking web pages based on some software that they purchased with no clue what they were doing.
The business model for Internet Connectivity is not the same as it is for nails. I can buy nails and hand them out to anyone I want to with impunity. I clearly cannot do that with Internet Connectivity unless it's against the AUP of my ISP.
I hate to say this, but the real solutions would be to either get it put into place with enough density of users that it become affordable, or to build a network the same way that we have a network of snail mail delivery. Government sponsored business whose mandate it to provide service to everyone, unconditionally.
And you still haven't solved the problem of bandwidth hogs. What do you do, make the hardware bound to 100K so that others can share?
Does their hardware run on Linux?
I couldn't find anything
I started with some Que or Sybex Linux book, I think it was one of the Unleashed series. But it had insanely simple step by step instructions. Mind you, at the time I had been a windows user since DOS 2 and had never seen a Unix machine before. It was these instructions that got me past the problems of:
After this (about 3 weeks) I got a slackware installation and used that, with the online docs and HOWTO for about 2 years. Then I went Debian and have stayed
I would not recommend Slackware to a newbie. I would recommend it to someone who wanted to learn about Linux. There is a difference.
I have the O'Reilly Running Linux book. I use it rarely. I do not have a RedHat installation and therefore most of it is not applicable to my environment. I've tried RedHat on several occassions and it's not for me.
The How-To's are really excellent. Once you get past the stage of moving files around, I would introduce them to the How-To's. The "Learning in 24 hours" series is too shallow to have any real value other than to make a sale as a quick fix.
I read the Freep article and it appears that he has centralized all his top level efforts into one location, his home, via a T-1 installation
Would it now be possible to sniff his network and identify the servers that he is talking to (Southfield et al) and then determine the locations that he is using to relay the email through via his own outbound traffic. At this point you should be able to identify the IP domains that are going to send you spam, before they get the message to send the spam.
Or at least be able to identify signature characteristics that you can then block ahead of their arrival and relay back to his source address. An example might be to identify every forged Envelope or Header Sender address as they exit the top tier and have that information available for lookup at the recipient end similar to RBL/Razor. At this point, you would be able to tag that identified user (SuzyQ132@yahoo.com or whatever) and route all incoming mail from that user back to his postmaster@domain.tld as an undeliverable message or access denied.
I got spam beat. I don't get much to begin with, but so far I've managed to absolutely block 492 of 493 spams with zero false positives out of 5500 emails
The idea is outlined here if you are interested in how it can be done so you don't have to keep wading through all the crud. I shouldn't take all the credit though. I just grabbed SpamAssassin and made it do the work for me. The concept is simple enough, the effects are awesome!
Sorry for sounding like spam myself, but this one's actually pretty cool. Code provided if you care to play with it. I won't promise it's perfect, but it's secure and effective.
Tried it for a year. Buttons started to die.
Oh yeah, you can't kill motel cockroaches with a PDA either. But you sure can get with a "classic" sized franklin planner
Recall the problem that Apple Computers ran into with Apple Records (now Columbia?). Apple was permitted to use their name providing that they stayed out of the music reproduction industry.
That lasted until they ran into products like QuickTime which are heavily reliant upon Media Reproduction.
I suspect in the long run that evisa.com may be able tu survive under the condition that they steer clear of Financial Loan functionality
Finally, someone who refuses to snivel. I'll bet he's got a strong backbone too!
I hate to say this in such a generalized term, but he's very right that no one is entitled to have their patch accepted. Americans think everything is an entitlement. That isn't so and the rest of the worlds going to get really pissed of and blow something up.
Just my opinion, but I believe that the government has failed the people it claims to protect. This is more evidence to the Corporatization of America.
The reality of the situation is this:
I am willing to be that in the next 3 months Microsoft will drop their tune that Linux is the great threat and begin to look more like the old Microsoft with their brown-shirts and goon-squads.
Those who are the threats today of Microsoft should recall Reichkristallnacht