Yes, well.. it's not perfect.. there are some problems with the alterations, but for the most part they don't seriously endanger the tale.
True, the Ring didn't go to Osgiliath in the book. Several things have happened in the movies that didn't happen in the book. This is part of my previous point. For example, the Ents didn't save Helm's Deep in the movie because two battles with Ents would have been repetitious and would have seemed like a deus ex machina. Having the Elves help out doesn't change the tale of the journey of the Ring at all, and provides two things: something new to goggle at, and also it plays up and sets the stage for the future role the Elves will play in the final battle alongside Men.
Osgiliath is, in my mind, an 'extra', a theoretical question. Does it fundamentally alter the tale of the Ring? Depends on whether the wraith actually saw it, I suppose. If it didn't see it, then no, it didn't really mess anything up - the travel timelines are already ambiguous, so them getting around so fast isn't anything really new... and since it was all part of the illustration on its effects on the people around it, I guess I don't have as much of an issue with it 'going against the book'.
Hopefully the Extended Edition will answer those questions in either additional scenes or commentary. I think it will.
Oh yeah? Then why the hell do I have to sit through 300 motorized wheelchair commercials a night when I'm trying to watch Modern Marvels on the History Channel?
Have you read any book? There is much more going on in your imagination when you read it than could ever be put on paper.
Everyone's Middle-Earth is substantially different, I guarantee you. Except the sheep who dont read, who don't use their imagination, who need every last bit of everything handed to them.
These movies provide a feast for the imagination. Unfortunate that you can't see that.
"Faramir's a great guy, beloved by his people, his men and even the hobbits."
All of which makes for an utterly boring and unbelievable character in the minds of the general audience, that is, those who dont live and breathe Middle-Earth and don't hyperventilate when a character puts the wrong inflection on a line.
So Faramir atones for his lapse of willpower, and *becomes* a great leader and a wonderful guy over the course of the rest of the story - how would that damage anything? Depends on how you define damage, after all.
And it makes the point that *some Men CAN resist the will of the Ring, but all are drawn to it initially*. Given all that's been shown previously, do you really think that a totally unassailable character such as Faramir would be believable? *Everyone* else has felt the temptation of the Ring, even Gandalf the Wizard.
As long as Faramir *ends up* being the Faramir of the books, the story has not been damaged, in my mind. And we get a deeper understanding of the sheer power and corruption of the Ring.
We could have done without some of the Gim[p]li scenes though. I agree with you on that.
For the same reason he killed Celeborn: made for a more dramatic scene, and didn't damage the greater story that's being told. I mean, it's even explained *in the movie*, and most people still don't get it.
It's not a verbatim recreation of the book, it was never that from the start, and never meant to be.
Because people demand that book adaptations be made as tediously close to the ink on the paper as humanly possible, and then sometimes that's not enough.
Because people these days have no imagination whatsoever. They have to have every last detail described for them, pointed out, paraded around, checked for accuracy and timed down to the last millisecond to correspond precisely with events taking place in the books.
It *is* based on the book. What it's not is "verbatim from the book by J.R.R. Tolkien". They'll need to have a medical breakthrough in ass transplants before they could ever do something like that, cos it'd be about 50 hours long.
The fact that PJ took some events and made them his own is just something you'll have to deal with. He's explained the reasons for it quite well, though.
You're taking it entirely too far. I'm talking about government-forced entitlements. And your shooting comment is completely irrelevant. Do try to keep your mind from wandering next time.
I threw away a Gregory Benford book about halfway through it once. Terrible, pitiful writing. I figured it was better to pitch it in the garbage than chance anyone else reading it and having that stain on my conscience.
Geezus. No, they won't. But don't let reality dampen your paranoia and hatred of all things capitalistic and corporate. You people are really funny sometimes.
This money is almost certainly coming from their Marketing budget.. it's all a big dog & pony show.
Wow, looks like we've got some severely sarcasm-impaired folks here today.
So it's ok for the loonies in other threads to claim Bush is up to all kinds of things, but it's not ok, apparently, when it's someone making fun of them instead.
Perhaps, but how many different printings of the original manual do you have? There's a direct correlation between that number and the lack of shame involved.
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The truth never stopped them before.. don't expect it to now.
Yes, well.. it's not perfect.. there are some problems with the alterations, but for the most part they don't seriously endanger the tale.
True, the Ring didn't go to Osgiliath in the book. Several things have happened in the movies that didn't happen in the book. This is part of my previous point. For example, the Ents didn't save Helm's Deep in the movie because two battles with Ents would have been repetitious and would have seemed like a deus ex machina. Having the Elves help out doesn't change the tale of the journey of the Ring at all, and provides two things: something new to goggle at, and also it plays up and sets the stage for the future role the Elves will play in the final battle alongside Men.
Osgiliath is, in my mind, an 'extra', a theoretical question. Does it fundamentally alter the tale of the Ring? Depends on whether the wraith actually saw it, I suppose. If it didn't see it, then no, it didn't really mess anything up - the travel timelines are already ambiguous, so them getting around so fast isn't anything really new... and since it was all part of the illustration on its effects on the people around it, I guess I don't have as much of an issue with it 'going against the book'.
Hopefully the Extended Edition will answer those questions in either additional scenes or commentary. I think it will.
Oh yeah? Then why the hell do I have to sit through 300 motorized wheelchair commercials a night when I'm trying to watch Modern Marvels on the History Channel?
Have you read any book? There is much more going on in your imagination when you read it than could ever be put on paper.
Everyone's Middle-Earth is substantially different, I guarantee you. Except the sheep who dont read, who don't use their imagination, who need every last bit of everything handed to them.
These movies provide a feast for the imagination. Unfortunate that you can't see that.
"Faramir's a great guy, beloved by his people, his men and even the hobbits."
All of which makes for an utterly boring and unbelievable character in the minds of the general audience, that is, those who dont live and breathe Middle-Earth and don't hyperventilate when a character puts the wrong inflection on a line.
So Faramir atones for his lapse of willpower, and *becomes* a great leader and a wonderful guy over the course of the rest of the story - how would that damage anything? Depends on how you define damage, after all.
And it makes the point that *some Men CAN resist the will of the Ring, but all are drawn to it initially*. Given all that's been shown previously, do you really think that a totally unassailable character such as Faramir would be believable? *Everyone* else has felt the temptation of the Ring, even Gandalf the Wizard.
As long as Faramir *ends up* being the Faramir of the books, the story has not been damaged, in my mind. And we get a deeper understanding of the sheer power and corruption of the Ring.
We could have done without some of the Gim[p]li scenes though. I agree with you on that.
Whoops. Guess I'll need to go watch FotR again as penance...
For the same reason he killed Celeborn: made for a more dramatic scene, and didn't damage the greater story that's being told. I mean, it's even explained *in the movie*, and most people still don't get it.
It's not a verbatim recreation of the book, it was never that from the start, and never meant to be.
Because people demand that book adaptations be made as tediously close to the ink on the paper as humanly possible, and then sometimes that's not enough.
Because people these days have no imagination whatsoever. They have to have every last detail described for them, pointed out, paraded around, checked for accuracy and timed down to the last millisecond to correspond precisely with events taking place in the books.
It *is* based on the book. What it's not is "verbatim from the book by J.R.R. Tolkien". They'll need to have a medical breakthrough in ass transplants before they could ever do something like that, cos it'd be about 50 hours long.
The fact that PJ took some events and made them his own is just something you'll have to deal with. He's explained the reasons for it quite well, though.
You're taking it entirely too far. I'm talking about government-forced entitlements. And your shooting comment is completely irrelevant. Do try to keep your mind from wandering next time.
Underfunded?! Bullshit, welfare is certainly *not* underfunded... if anything, it's *overfunded*.
You pussies need to get over the idea that anyone is owed anything by anyone else.
And we'd get great headlines like "Losing Candidate Beaten To Death In Double Overtime Vote"
I threw away a Gregory Benford book about halfway through it once. Terrible, pitiful writing. I figured it was better to pitch it in the garbage than chance anyone else reading it and having that stain on my conscience.
Geezus. No, they won't. But don't let reality dampen your paranoia and hatred of all things capitalistic and corporate. You people are really funny sometimes.
This money is almost certainly coming from their Marketing budget.. it's all a big dog & pony show.
"And I'm not bashing either. "
da dum tcsh!
Heh. Go troll somewhere else, child. Democratic Underground, perhaps. They'll like your loaded phrases and insinuations over there.
And if you don't get the wordplay between Insightful and Inciteful, I'm certainly not going to bother explaining it.
An alien concept here at /., to be sure.
Feh. More like Inciteful.
Wow, looks like we've got some severely sarcasm-impaired folks here today.
So it's ok for the loonies in other threads to claim Bush is up to all kinds of things, but it's not ok, apparently, when it's someone making fun of them instead.
Oh well, my point is proven, regardless. =)
It's patently obvious. Bush is harnessing the power of the sun to kill more brown people than ever before.
Perhaps, but how many different printings of the original manual do you have? There's a direct correlation between that number and the lack of shame involved.
I think a 'U' in the middle would make more sense there...
Why, because I try to understand all sides of what's going on, instead of latching blindly onto 'proof of evil' of certain public figures?
Sounds to me like you're the sheep. Dude.
Heh. Why don't you try reading your own links for comprehension, instead of skimming them for conspiracies... you might actually learn something.