I would argue that regardless of whether it qualifies as famous, the word Nike is not distinctive enough to warrant such protection because TESS sez that not only has the trademark "Nike" been used before (best examples in the dead marks at the end of the third page), but thesetwo are still live.
Even the page you linked states at the bottom that what qualifies as famous would be a matter of some controversy in the courts.
I'm not saying you're wrong, just that this sucks as least as much as the absurdly hideous and unweildly prospective name "Mozilla Nike" that started this nonsense. I don't see why Nike, Inc. should get to own the name Nike just because they're good at selling tennis shoes when it wasn't even their name to begin with. My inner intellectual is appalled.
BTW, I went to Nike, Inc.'s web site to look for an FAQ/history in their corporate page on use of the name Nike, and couldn't find any, but boy does my head hurt after sitting through their ridiculous flash based web pages. Ouch!
I doubt that even if they *HAD* called it "Nike", Nike would have been able to do anything about it unless the Mozilla Nike project was also about manufacturing and selling tennis shoes. After all, Nike, Inc. aren't the only ones to use the name of the popular Greek goddess for their company or organizations -- the US government even used it for a ground-to air missle program.
This whole discussion is giving me a hankerin' to go try and DL some old FireFox roms for my atari emulator.
because I *have* been busy lately, but isn't this the same idea Bill Gates proffered a couple of days ago? Yeah, I know. It wasn't his idea originally, either, since I remember talking about this on/. AT LEAST a year ago, but somebody had to point this out.
Back in the day, the CS major course sequence went like Pascal I, Pascal II, IBM 360/370 Assembly, Write your own OS, THEN higher level languages like C, Snobol, Cobol, PL1, ADA, etc.
Yeah, I'm all for this. I think programming has become so abstracted that the abstractions don't correspond with anything but other abstractions anymore. I also think network engineers and administrators should be required to take programming, too, just because it'd be good for them.
Which brings us to the nature of "open" development:
"Everybody knows something about something. If we'd just WRITE THIS STUFF DOWN, we wouldn't have to keep paying people to keep looking it up for us."
That said, it's worth what you paid for it - if you want to blame someone for your research errors, The Encyclopedia Britannica has a subscription service.
Well, yes and no. How many TVs have a HDTV logo on the box because the display is compatable with HDTV signal specs, but do not actually include an HDTV tuner in the box?
We aren't on different sides - did you look at the FlexPlay web site? They think it's $3 more convenient. I don't. Neither do the shoppers in CA who didn't buy their disks. I rent my DVDs from the library where most of them are free or $1.
Of course, you could sidestep the whole issue if you do it my way. I propose that no counting be done by the polling machine, but by a separate sealed tabulator. Further, I propose that the mechanism for getting the ballots tabulated be optical character recognition scanning of the printed text of the ballot -- no barcodes, no punchholes, no encryption keys. This way the tabulator has no programming and does not need to be loaded with data prior to counting.
I love it when stupid crap like this fails in such a humiliatingly fatalistic fashion. It makes me think maybe we aren't turning into a nation of sissies after all. Since when did renting a movie and returning it to the video store become such a traumatic experience?
They'd probably do well if they were 99 cents instead of $7.
I try to convince other people of this. Firebird conatains a popup blocker, supports tabbed browsing, is more secure, and has a gestures plugin.
The other people just don't. It's not like they don't know how. These are proper techies. they just make up daft excuses like not trustin free software.
Maybe trust is importatn. You can trust IE after all. You can trust it to be insecure.
I have to admit that even though I used free open source software before a couple of years ago, I didn't really consider it superior to commercial closed-ware because of trust issues. Then, one day, I'm watching TechTV and there's Leo LaPorte talking about Tolvanen's "Eraser" filewiper program and he says (paraphrasing) "...and it's OPEN SOURCE, so you can go look at the code and make sure it's doing what it says it's doing..." and it all kinda clicked into place.
Since then OSS is my first choice. It's a better way to code.
I'm not sure I agree with you. Having the Disney name on it means it automatically becomes a must see for a lot of kids(people). Granted the well-made movie helped it, but don't underestimate the value of the Disney name
I think Pixar has managed to make a name for itself: "A Bug's Life", "Toy Story", "Toy Story 2", "Monsters Inc.", "Finding Nemo", all of the short subjects. Which of those isn't "Four stars, Joe-Bob says check it out!" THEY DON'T MISS. EVER. And beyond the quality of the animation is the quality of the writing. That's their real asset: their wonderful knack for finding and telling new and interesting stories.
Good bye, good riddance, now I can finally stop giving Disney my money. I hope the bastards that wrecked Winnie the Pooh by re-franchising him to death with cheap animators and puppets finally pay for their sins.
"Buy these movies now because they're going back into the Disney vault for ten years" my ass!
After reading this list, I conclude that it is dumb. Making a list of all the portables that *didn't* make it is the same as making a list of all the portables that *aren't* Nintendo GameBoy.
I actually had one of these when I was a kid and it r0Xored! It was the first hand-held with a dot-matrix display that used cartridges and therefore wasn't limited to one game, so I don't have any idea why it's on this list other than journalistic myopia.
Also, the article is factually incorrect in one place. The snap-on cartridge/faceplates didn't have a whole set of controls in the cartridge - that would be stupid and expensive. Instead, the device had a touchpad matrix of FLAT calculator-style button "areas" (like a Sinclair ZX81 or an Atari 400 keyboard) above the paddle on the base unit. The cartridge faceplate, supplying a decorated film that fit over this area, just functioned as an overlay, masking off the buttons you didn't need and labeling the ones you did. I'm not sure why GameSpy editors don't know this because they *SHOULD* have actually inspected physical units before reporting these facts and it's a technique that's been used elsewhere.
Could/should a good old-fashioned slashdotting be considered a legitimate form of protest like walking a picket line in front of a business?
Probably not. I don't believe picket lines are legally allowed to conduct themselves in a manner that obstructs others, but it's an interesting question: What's the internet equivalent of picketing? Hijacking banner ads and replacing them with protest messages?
Thank you for posting that, but Ugh! How can Yahoo!/AP run a news article about a web site that links everything **EXCEPT** the web site?! These bozos just don't understand "teh intarnet"!
Wow, all this needs is no battery. Seriously. Maybe a solar panel, or one of those biomechanical generators that use spare motion to generate power like a self-winding watch. Or, for the ultimate geek, rig up a stirling engine that can run off your body heat.
Way cool, man. Way cool.
P.S. Where do you put the monitor and keyboard? Lemme guess - bluetooth to the display on your wristwatch? The possibilities are endless!
Isn't this just like adding a mail client filtering rule to trash all emails with "mydomain.com" in the body?
Now, having said that, I don't think any mail filter does this explicitly because of problems with legit web page links. All the spammer would need to do is redirect through a page on a hosting service like fortunecity.com or geocities.com.
...although now that I think about it - throwing fortuncity and geocities in your filter list may not be a bad idea either since so little actually goes on there;) and the interesting stuff is always over their bandwidth limit by the time I get the link.:(
"After all, Timothy McVeigh (likewise Arabs) blew up the Murrah building (World Trade Center) in Oklahoma city (New York City) and he was a Christian (were Islamic), but I hardly think that makes the rest of the Christian (Islamic) community responible for his actions."
Thanks for recognizing this and pointing that out - I wasn't sure anyone would make the connection. Tim McVeigh is my stock counterexample for all the boneheads who want to attach responsibility for 9/11 to all Muslims.
Yeah, but those arguments aren't too hard to deflate if you have a half-dozen brain cells. After all, Timothy McVeigh blew up the Murrah building in Oklahoma city and he was a Christian, but I hardly think that makes the rest of the Christian community responible for his actions.
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Quick! Put up the free registration page!
I would argue that regardless of whether it qualifies as famous, the word Nike is not distinctive enough to warrant such protection because TESS sez that not only has the trademark "Nike" been used before (best examples in the dead marks at the end of the third page), but these two are still live.
Even the page you linked states at the bottom that what qualifies as famous would be a matter of some controversy in the courts.
I'm not saying you're wrong, just that this sucks as least as much as the absurdly hideous and unweildly prospective name "Mozilla Nike" that started this nonsense. I don't see why Nike, Inc. should get to own the name Nike just because they're good at selling tennis shoes when it wasn't even their name to begin with. My inner intellectual is appalled.
BTW, I went to Nike, Inc.'s web site to look for an FAQ/history in their corporate page on use of the name Nike, and couldn't find any, but boy does my head hurt after sitting through their ridiculous flash based web pages. Ouch!
5. It doesn't use a famous trademark (at least they didn't name it Nike)
Just picking nits here, but I would remind everyone that Nike didn't come up with that name on their own, Athena's been using it for just a little while longer.
I doubt that even if they *HAD* called it "Nike", Nike would have been able to do anything about it unless the Mozilla Nike project was also about manufacturing and selling tennis shoes. After all, Nike, Inc. aren't the only ones to use the name of the popular Greek goddess for their company or organizations -- the US government even used it for a ground-to air missle program.
This whole discussion is giving me a hankerin' to go try and DL some old FireFox roms for my atari emulator.
because I *have* been busy lately, but isn't this the same idea Bill Gates proffered a couple of days ago? Yeah, I know. It wasn't his idea originally, either, since I remember talking about this on
When you talk to the right person, be rational, be reasonable, and don't ask for Gates' head on a stick sharpened on both ends.
Sorry, but I'm confused -- what's supposed to be sharpened on both ends, the stick or Bill Gates' head?
Back in the day, the CS major course sequence went like Pascal I, Pascal II, IBM 360/370 Assembly, Write your own OS, THEN higher level languages like C, Snobol, Cobol, PL1, ADA, etc.
Yeah, I'm all for this. I think programming has become so abstracted that the abstractions don't correspond with anything but other abstractions anymore. I also think network engineers and administrators should be required to take programming, too, just because it'd be good for them.
Sincerely,
Kickin' it old skool
it will be able to mingle, chat and date with other Tamagotchis using infrared portals, and even marry and have babies.
Yep, I can't wait until I have to stay up until 4:00AM comforting mine with because it got the "can't we just be friends" speech. [*shudder*]
Which brings us to the nature of "open" development:
That said, it's worth what you paid for it - if you want to blame someone for your research errors, The Encyclopedia Britannica has a subscription service.
Well, yes and no. How many TVs have a HDTV logo on the box because the display is compatable with HDTV signal specs, but do not actually include an HDTV tuner in the box?
Barcodes can lie, too - it needs to be in human-readable form. Record the votes in text and OCR the text into the tabulator.
No. What's wrong with it?
We aren't on different sides - did you look at the FlexPlay web site? They think it's $3 more convenient. I don't. Neither do the shoppers in CA who didn't buy their disks. I rent my DVDs from the library where most of them are free or $1.
Of course, you could sidestep the whole issue if you do it my way. I propose that no counting be done by the polling machine, but by a separate sealed tabulator. Further, I propose that the mechanism for getting the ballots tabulated be optical character recognition scanning of the printed text of the ballot -- no barcodes, no punchholes, no encryption keys. This way the tabulator has no programming and does not need to be loaded with data prior to counting.
I love it when stupid crap like this fails in such a humiliatingly fatalistic fashion. It makes me think maybe we aren't turning into a nation of sissies after all. Since when did renting a movie and returning it to the video store become such a traumatic experience?
They'd probably do well if they were 99 cents instead of $7.
I try to convince other people of this. Firebird conatains a popup blocker, supports tabbed browsing, is more secure, and has a gestures plugin.
The other people just don't. It's not like they don't know how. These are proper techies. they just make up daft excuses like not trustin free software.
Maybe trust is importatn. You can trust IE after all. You can trust it to be insecure.
I have to admit that even though I used free open source software before a couple of years ago, I didn't really consider it superior to commercial closed-ware because of trust issues. Then, one day, I'm watching TechTV and there's Leo LaPorte talking about Tolvanen's "Eraser" filewiper program and he says (paraphrasing) "...and it's OPEN SOURCE, so you can go look at the code and make sure it's doing what it says it's doing..." and it all kinda clicked into place.
Since then OSS is my first choice. It's a better way to code.
I'm not sure I agree with you. Having the Disney name on it means it automatically becomes a must see for a lot of kids(people). Granted the well-made movie helped it, but don't underestimate the value of the Disney name
I think Pixar has managed to make a name for itself: "A Bug's Life", "Toy Story", "Toy Story 2", "Monsters Inc.", "Finding Nemo", all of the short subjects. Which of those isn't "Four stars, Joe-Bob says check it out!" THEY DON'T MISS. EVER. And beyond the quality of the animation is the quality of the writing. That's their real asset: their wonderful knack for finding and telling new and interesting stories.
Good bye, good riddance, now I can finally stop giving Disney my money. I hope the bastards that wrecked Winnie the Pooh by re-franchising him to death with cheap animators and puppets finally pay for their sins.
"Buy these movies now because they're going back into the Disney vault for ten years" my ass!
After reading this list, I conclude that it is dumb. Making a list of all the portables that *didn't* make it is the same as making a list of all the portables that *aren't* Nintendo GameBoy.
I actually had one of these when I was a kid and it r0Xored! It was the first hand-held with a dot-matrix display that used cartridges and therefore wasn't limited to one game, so I don't have any idea why it's on this list other than journalistic myopia.
Also, the article is factually incorrect in one place. The snap-on cartridge/faceplates didn't have a whole set of controls in the cartridge - that would be stupid and expensive. Instead, the device had a touchpad matrix of FLAT calculator-style button "areas" (like a Sinclair ZX81 or an Atari 400 keyboard) above the paddle on the base unit. The cartridge faceplate, supplying a decorated film that fit over this area, just functioned as an overlay, masking off the buttons you didn't need and labeling the ones you did. I'm not sure why GameSpy editors don't know this because they *SHOULD* have actually inspected physical units before reporting these facts and it's a technique that's been used elsewhere.
Could/should a good old-fashioned slashdotting be considered a legitimate form of protest like walking a picket line in front of a business?
Probably not. I don't believe picket lines are legally allowed to conduct themselves in a manner that obstructs others, but it's an interesting question: What's the internet equivalent of picketing? Hijacking banner ads and replacing them with protest messages?
Thank you for posting that, but Ugh! How can Yahoo!/AP run a news article about a web site that links everything **EXCEPT** the web site?! These bozos just don't understand "teh intarnet"!
Wow, all this needs is no battery. Seriously. Maybe a solar panel, or one of those biomechanical generators that use spare motion to generate power like a self-winding watch. Or, for the ultimate geek, rig up a stirling engine that can run off your body heat.
Way cool, man. Way cool.
P.S. Where do you put the monitor and keyboard? Lemme guess - bluetooth to the display on your wristwatch? The possibilities are endless!
Isn't this just like adding a mail client filtering rule to trash all emails with "mydomain.com" in the body?
Now, having said that, I don't think any mail filter does this explicitly because of problems with legit web page links. All the spammer would need to do is redirect through a page on a hosting service like fortunecity.com or geocities.com.
"After all, Timothy McVeigh (likewise Arabs) blew up the Murrah building (World Trade Center) in Oklahoma city (New York City) and he was a Christian (were Islamic), but I hardly think that makes the rest of the Christian (Islamic) community responible for his actions."
Thanks for recognizing this and pointing that out - I wasn't sure anyone would make the connection. Tim McVeigh is my stock counterexample for all the boneheads who want to attach responsibility for 9/11 to all Muslims.
Duh, but the Republican lawyers in office are proposing this stuff be capped somehow, and the Democrats aren't.
Yeah, but those arguments aren't too hard to deflate if you have a half-dozen brain cells. After all, Timothy McVeigh blew up the Murrah building in Oklahoma city and he was a Christian, but I hardly think that makes the rest of the Christian community responible for his actions.