OK. I understand all of the factors. "STUPID CEO! OFFICE IS TOO EXPENSIVE!".;)
OO is nothing new, it's Just Another Office Suite. Like the MS-DOS office apps that people were used to work with. And then Office 95, 97, 2000, XP, etc. That have different layout, different file formats, etc. So. OO is not more different from Office 2000 than Office 97. And you don't have that F*$&%$% pain-in-the-ass trouble with file formats.
Yeah, being ECMA standarized is a being very standarized. Like ECMAscript, that, like everyone knows, works the same everywhere:| Frankly, I prefer java's way in which 99'99% of applications work the same in sun's vm, ibm's vm, linux, windows,...
MS HAS A MONOPOLY ON DESKTOP OPERATING SYSTEMS. That doesnt not mean they have a monopoly in anthing else. Exactly, and it uses that monopoly to drive other companies in other markets out of business.
MS closing its network off to 3rd party clients DOES NOT PREVENT THOSE OTHER PEOPLE FROM CREATING THEIR OWN IM NETWORK. Yeah, like saying: "AT&T has a monopoly on telecom market, but that doesn't prevent other companies from creating their own telephone system, that won't, of course, work with AT&T's one". If MS would define a way for other systems to communicate with messnger, there would be no complain. See? room for competition, everyone is happy. Now ask yourself: is that much to ask for? (hint: MS was asking for that when yahoo (or it was ICQ?) had the monopoly on IM).
Additionally, MS is NOT CHARGING FOR IT. They could, but they aren't. They are, showing ads is a way of charging, but that's why I said "charge" and not charge.
For the 6731th time again: Microsoft is a monopoly and using that monopoly to kick other companies in other markets is illegal. Offering messenger "for free" for a time and then, when you have the market for you, "charge" for it is illegal. Prepare yourself for the same shit with mail, is not so far away...
So they are a monopoly, and thus have additional obligations under Israeli law, like not "unreasonably refusing a service".
That's something that many many people forgets. And it is one of the basis of capitalism as an efficient system: the society has to protect itself from monopolies because they are bad for the economic system: you loose the benefits competition. Even if it is a deserved monopoly. By that I mean that it was achieved by legal/moral means. Which is not the case.
RTFA. They don't use plain XML, they use WBXML. From the w3c abstract: This specification defines a compact binary representation of the Extensible Markup Language [XML]. The binary XML content format is designed to reduce the transmission size of XML documents, allowing more effective use of XML data on narrowband communication channels. Refer to the [WML] specification for one example use of the binary XML content format.
The binary format was designed to allow for compact transmission with no loss of functionality or semantic information. The format is designed to preserve the element structure of XML, allowing a browser to skip unknown elements or attributes. The binary format encodes the parsed physical form of an XML document, ie, the structure and content of the document entities. Meta-information, including the document type definition and conditional sections, is removed when the document is converted to the binary format.
Alright, people need to listen closely. XFree86 is NOT SLOW, the toolkits you lay on top of it are what bogs it down. It is not slow. BUT XFree86 is OLD. Very. I'm serious. toolkits on top of it are slow partly because of this. Try to program on X (xlib, etc.), and you will find that semi-oo structures and the PITA it is to program.
But you are right. It is NOT slow. But it needs a replacement, anyway (IMHO). Technology has advance a whole way since mid eighties.
That might help, but you're still shipping a lot of redundant metadata around. From the WBXML specification abstract:... Meta-information, including the document type definition and conditional sections, is removed when the document is converted to the binary format.
Not if you want to remain fully compatible with existing XLib code. What? They provide a library that is xlib compatible and then extend it with more drawing primitives. What it makes xlib-incompatible is applications that use that specific primitives with plain X. xlib applications are not affected.
It seems you dismissed the whole thing just after reading the post and you are just justifying that without checking other's arguments...
...features we take for granted in a real OS, like multitasking... It seems that the thing is able to play mp3 while doing other things, not that it is real multitasking, maybe a tsr;)?
You almost have it: OO has an XSL that renders OO to xhtml. So, you only have to do a module that decompresses the.xml files and apply the xsl (for example, with apache xalan). I'm not sure how the XSL handles the multiplicity of files (contents.xml, styles.xml...)
Compiling (yeah, this word is used for other things; )) some posts:
Interference from outside is very difficult, as a plane is a faraday cage
Interference from inside is easier, as you are inside the cage, and you can't isolate the potentially affected instruments, they are wired all over the plane. But that interference is unlikely, alas not impossible, to induce with, say, a mobile phone.
They tell you to switch everything off on landing because it is the most dangerous moment, and even if the probability is very slim, it's better not to take the risk.
As I understand it, the main point of doing the port would be to get toolkit independence for OO: that is, it would look native on win32, gtk, qt, etc...
Not authomatic independence, true, but it would be a lot easier to do an interesting port, like the qt/gtk one... because actually the looks of OOo is quite ugly...
I found this, and I'm pretty confident that simply officially copyrighting (method varies depending on countries) protects from patents, as it is an offical fact of prior art.
If Ford owned the road, then they sure as heck could do that. It's their property, they can do with it as they wish. If Microsoft wants to prevent any client other than a MS-licenced client from accessing their network, then so be it. Bad analogy, Ford doesn't own a monopoly of cars or roads.
Put yourself in Microsoft's position for a minute (yes, I know it's a pianful thought, but try it anyway). Do you want somebody else to profit while you maintain the infrastructure at your own expense? Why did they let everyone to do it for years? A guess: typical MS maneuver, once everybody is in because you integrate it in the OS and you're open and let everyone else connect, lock and make mo' money. The monopoly, as allways.
Funnier than the Nova: Mitsubishi was trying to sell a 30.000$+ 4x4 named Pajero in spain. Later, they had to rename it as Montero, as nobody wanted to spend that much in a car that... er... well, likes to please itself so often.
then they run the risk of being percieved as unreliable Come on, they are working hard to destroy everything you stand for in Free Software, no one would consider unreliable that action...
All of these factors are pointing us to a world in the near future where binaries are an afterthought. Even if the hardware you are running on can't compile on the fly, you can plug it into a server farm that CAN. Or a server farm that has everything pre-compiled with most common combinations, now that HD space is plentiful in PC's... oh, wait...
Seriously, I really don't believe in Gentoo's system of compiling everithing, when 80% or more of the people is compiling with the same options... that is, wasting time doing something that a lot of people has already done. Mantaining a good-comprehensive set of compiled packages it's a better idea, for me. And (please, correct me if I'm wrong, I'm a mdkr) that is what debian is doing...
OK, let's sort this out. Explain me how an ID card for everyone infringes on freedoms more than a driver's licence or social security card. And then, explain me the drawbacks of a national ID card. I really mean it, I've had an ID card since I was 12 and I really want to know the POV of someone whose country doesn't have that system.
My opinion: from my experience is a good way to prove that you are you and not another person. I'm not flaming, I'm serious (just in case, you never know, here;))
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OK. I understand all of the factors. ;)
"STUPID CEO! OFFICE IS TOO EXPENSIVE!".
OO is nothing new, it's Just Another Office Suite. Like the MS-DOS office apps that people were used to work with. And then Office 95, 97, 2000, XP, etc. That have different layout, different file formats, etc. So. OO is not more different from Office 2000 than Office 97.
And you don't have that F*$&%$% pain-in-the-ass trouble with file formats.
Yeah, being ECMA standarized is a being very standarized. Like ECMAscript, that, like everyone knows, works the same everywhere :| ...
Frankly, I prefer java's way in which 99'99% of applications work the same in sun's vm, ibm's vm, linux, windows,
MS HAS A MONOPOLY ON DESKTOP OPERATING SYSTEMS. That doesnt not mean they have a monopoly in anthing else.
Exactly, and it uses that monopoly to drive other companies in other markets out of business.
MS closing its network off to 3rd party clients DOES NOT PREVENT THOSE OTHER PEOPLE FROM CREATING THEIR OWN IM NETWORK.
Yeah, like saying: "AT&T has a monopoly on telecom market, but that doesn't prevent other companies from creating their own telephone system, that won't, of course, work with AT&T's one". If MS would define a way for other systems to communicate with messnger, there would be no complain. See? room for competition, everyone is happy. Now ask yourself: is that much to ask for? (hint: MS was asking for that when yahoo (or it was ICQ?) had the monopoly on IM).
Additionally, MS is NOT CHARGING FOR IT. They could, but they aren't.
They are, showing ads is a way of charging, but that's why I said "charge" and not charge.
For the 6731th time again: Microsoft is a monopoly and using that monopoly to kick other companies in other markets is illegal. Offering messenger "for free" for a time and then, when you have the market for you, "charge" for it is illegal.
Prepare yourself for the same shit with mail, is not so far away...
So they are a monopoly, and thus have additional obligations under Israeli law, like not "unreasonably refusing a service".
That's something that many many people forgets. And it is one of the basis of capitalism as an efficient system: the society has to protect itself from monopolies because they are bad for the economic system: you loose the benefits competition. Even if it is a deserved monopoly. By that I mean that it was achieved by legal/moral means. Which is not the case.
RTFA. They don't use plain XML, they use WBXML. From the w3c abstract:
This specification defines a compact binary representation of the Extensible Markup Language [XML]. The binary XML content format is designed to reduce the transmission size of XML documents, allowing more effective use of XML data on narrowband communication channels. Refer to the [WML] specification for one example use of the binary XML content format.
The binary format was designed to allow for compact transmission with no loss of functionality or semantic information. The format is designed to preserve the element structure of XML, allowing a browser to skip unknown elements or attributes. The binary format encodes the parsed physical form of an XML document, ie, the structure and content of the document entities. Meta-information, including the document type definition and conditional sections, is removed when the document is converted to the binary format.
So no ASCII.
Alright, people need to listen closely. XFree86 is NOT SLOW, the toolkits you lay on top of it are what bogs it down.
It is not slow. BUT XFree86 is OLD. Very. I'm serious. toolkits on top of it are slow partly because of this. Try to program on X (xlib, etc.), and you will find that semi-oo structures and the PITA it is to program.
But you are right. It is NOT slow. But it needs a replacement, anyway (IMHO). Technology has advance a whole way since mid eighties.
Do you ever read sources?
... Meta-information, including the document type definition and conditional sections, is removed when the document is converted to the binary format.
That might help, but you're still shipping a lot of redundant metadata around.
From the WBXML specification abstract:
Not if you want to remain fully compatible with existing XLib code.
What? They provide a library that is xlib compatible and then extend it with more drawing primitives. What it makes xlib-incompatible is applications that use that specific primitives with plain X. xlib applications are not affected.
It seems you dismissed the whole thing just after reading the post and you are just justifying that without checking other's arguments...
It seems that the thing is able to play mp3 while doing other things, not that it is real multitasking, maybe a tsr
You almost have it: .xml files and apply the xsl (for example, with apache xalan).
OO has an XSL that renders OO to xhtml.
So, you only have to do a module that decompresses the
I'm not sure how the XSL handles the multiplicity of files (contents.xml, styles.xml...)
How the hell can you get an overdose of dyslexia? :P
Maybe I could ask slashdot editors
Interference from outside is very difficult, as a plane is a faraday cage
Interference from inside is easier, as you are inside the cage, and you can't isolate the potentially affected instruments, they are wired all over the plane. But that interference is unlikely, alas not impossible, to induce with, say, a mobile phone.
They tell you to switch everything off on landing because it is the most dangerous moment, and even if the probability is very slim, it's better not to take the risk.
Now, anyone to link this?
As I understand it, the main point of doing the port would be to get toolkit independence for OO: that is, it would look native on win32, gtk, qt, etc...
Not authomatic independence, true, but it would be a lot easier to do an interesting port, like the qt/gtk one... because actually the looks of OOo is quite ugly...
I found this, and I'm pretty confident that simply officially copyrighting (method varies depending on countries) protects from patents, as it is an offical fact of prior art.
Usual IANAL disclaimer, etc.
Yeah, let them do with their monopolistic and illegal tactics.
Don't like it? Build your own government or swicht country.
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It's AT&T network! they can do what they want with it. Other companie's subscribers can call between themselves if they want.
If Ford owned the road, then they sure as heck could do that. It's their property, they can do with it as they wish. If Microsoft wants to prevent any client other than a MS-licenced client from accessing their network, then so be it.
Bad analogy, Ford doesn't own a monopoly of cars or roads.
Put yourself in Microsoft's position for a minute (yes, I know it's a pianful thought, but try it anyway). Do you want somebody else to profit while you maintain the infrastructure at your own expense?
Why did they let everyone to do it for years? A guess: typical MS maneuver, once everybody is in because you integrate it in the OS and you're open and let everyone else connect, lock and make mo' money.
The monopoly, as allways.
Funnier than the Nova: Mitsubishi was trying to sell a 30.000$+ 4x4 named Pajero in spain. Later, they had to rename it as Montero, as nobody wanted to spend that much in a car that ... er ... well, likes to please itself so often.
(Pajero ~ A person that masturbates often)
This may sound amazing, this is slashdot after all ;), but you convinced me.
then they run the risk of being percieved as unreliable
Come on, they are working hard to destroy everything you stand for in Free Software, no one would consider unreliable that action...
All of these factors are pointing us to a world in the near future where binaries are an afterthought. Even if the hardware you are running on can't compile on the fly, you can plug it into a server farm that CAN.
Or a server farm that has everything pre-compiled with most common combinations, now that HD space is plentiful in PC's... oh, wait...
Seriously, I really don't believe in Gentoo's system of compiling everithing, when 80% or more of the people is compiling with the same options... that is, wasting time doing something that a lot of people has already done. Mantaining a good-comprehensive set of compiled packages it's a better idea, for me. And (please, correct me if I'm wrong, I'm a mdkr) that is what debian is doing...
New slashdot moderation option: "-1, Obedient Moderator"
Well, I think a crash is very much justified if it is a CVS version that crashes... even for a gazillion $ company.
Maybe, just maybe, claiming persecution by the evil RIAA, will get you refugee status.
You only have to prove RIAA's connection with scientology
OK, let's sort this out.
;))
Explain me how an ID card for everyone infringes on freedoms more than a driver's licence or social security card.
And then, explain me the drawbacks of a national ID card. I really mean it, I've had an ID card since I was 12 and I really want to know the POV of someone whose country doesn't have that system.
My opinion: from my experience is a good way to prove that you are you and not another person. I'm not flaming, I'm serious (just in case, you never know, here