if *I* was landing a robotic lander, I would say "gee,here's where water used to be...Let's look for Fossils!" duh. if they can find where water was collecting, there is a batter chance to find life, and hence, even if the life is dead, find proof.what would all of those religous zealots say when we say, um, yes, we have definitive PROOF of extra terrestrial life? This give us an actual BULLSEYE to aim for to cause a massive religous upheaval.
either way it would just be cool. can you imagine what those critters mighta looked like with the differences in planets?:)
normally I'd be inclined to agree with you, but some places, they're just not correct. for example, I worked at the my college as a Lab assistant. EVERY single machine that had AIM or YIM on it was guarenteed to crash when I shut them down that night... why? because of the schools shitty networked programs and easily corruptable file system. now you may say "well, then you just have a shitty system." There were other factors involved. There simply weren't enough computers for the students to use. it pissed us off when we'd get complainst there wasn't enough room when we had 5 or 6 people in a 30 person lab playing games or chatting. That was what the final reasoning was for banning all instant messengers. Unfortunately, bans aren't enough. Everyone knows the rules only apply to other people, right?
it was a well known problem. what was done about it? nothing. however, I did come up with a theoretical solution (after I quit) to this problem. Find a few DLL's that yahoo and AIM NEED to run... ones they install themselves. Then go through and put a corrupted file (my personal favorite would be the goatse.cx picture) under that DLL's name, and mark it as a system file. I've never tried it, but I'm guessing it would choke pretty bad. it might take some experimentation, but it sounds feasable:) when they complain, kick them out of the lab for installing software!
that may be true, but I've had several people compliment me on it. it's JUST A SIG. but then again, I guess your probably the target audience for it. not sure whether to leave this AC so I don't waste pagespace, or to stay logged in, so I don't appear afraid of repercussions. oh well. 50 karma only lasts forever.
slightly OT. I did a similar thing with my girlfriend. I started out by installing NS 6.2.3 and openoffice on her win2k box. after she started getting use to them, I transferred her over to debian with KDE, abiword and mozilla. she took the change quite nicely, but there are still a few rough edges(she used some of the fancier trick in word, and abiword doesn't have them. maybe I'll have her try openoffice again.) she being a good sport about it. One problem I did notice is that when she boots to the windows partition to play diablo2, and then reboots to debian, her mouse quits working. just one of those quirks.
users come in waves. think of us as explorers, and these people as a wave of settlers. they don't know what they hell they're doing, but they're pretty sure there's a better life out there, and they're willing to try it.
what's worse, think about it- how many of us actually have our cases CLOSED? locks don't help when you got the side off and a fan pointing in on the processor.
why do you think the pope and cardinals wear those funny hats? they're recievers.
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debian's apt-get is by far the coolest package manager I've seen. it alone was reason enough for me to convert my 5 boxes to debian. I've never had a dependency problem of any sort(all done automagically), and then there's apt-get update apt-get upgrade which are very cool, and go to the debian website, and grab the newest definitions, then install the newest versions of your programs. I'm told it's like Rsync on slackware, but I have no Idea how truthful that is. apt also have a few other utilities for package management, like apt-spy, which finds the quickest download mirror for you; apt-cache, which lets you search through the "list" of different packages for stuff your looking for and give you the package name. sorta like rpm -q, but more powerful(from what I can tell). apt-proxy, not sure what it does, but I'm told it acts like a central repository for packages, so one machine can divvy them out to others on your network without each machine having to redownload each package from the server. of course, now there's an apt-get for plenty of other distros from what I hear, but I think I like this one.
feel free to flame me if I screwed up somewhere- I'll make sure I lose sleep over it.
not sure if this will help alleviate your position, but I know of the debian side of apt get, there's "apt-get clean" which removes current packages from the/var/cache/apt/archives. This will remove them if you have a bunch of crap you don't need anymore.
oh course if the drive is just plain SMALL, you could always go ghetto, throw another drive in, and mount it as/archives and thow this at it
#move all files and folder from/var/cache/apt/archives to/archives mv -r/var/cache/apt/archives/*/archives #remove/var/cache/apt/archives directory rm -rf/var/cache/apt/archives #replace directory with a symbolic link ln -s/archives/var/cache/apt/archives
that should work, but keep in mind I just woke up, so this code may completely pooch your machine. think it out first and make sure it won't. Not sure if apt will thow a hissy fit over that or not. /me checks his email and goes back to sleep
well, linix/*bsd/OS X are eventually going to start making large moves into the desktop market whether we all like it or not. we're going to have to deal with it. Better that an iffy company like lindows is the sacrificial lamb. If it works out, great, people will hear about linux and it will break out more than it has. if Lindows gets chomped into itty-bitty pieces, linux gets a bad name with the general populace... it's a risk that will eventually happen, I'd rather have lindows doing it than redhat, mandrake or debian... all else fails we can say, "nonono, you chose the wrong one" and show the the path towards what you consider enlightenment. (my apologies towards lindows fans.)
that wasn't sarcasm, I was serious. People love simple games- something linux has QUITE a few of.79 on the computer I'm currently sitting at from just installing KDE, GNOME, and BSD game packs. I've spent hours playing mahjongg, same gnome, and XJewel. I can't play 1st person shooters because they make me puke. my girlfriend is the same way, and so are her parents.
Shall we also mention Freeciv? I can get her addicted to that for hours on end.
BTW, I plan on getting neverwinter nights as well. I'm a BG2 fan, so I look forward to this. drop the seething rage long enough to see that I agree with you.
I don't care what anyone says, you hit the nail on the head... coding is like painting, you lay down a base, throw in the basic structures, fill in the details... it's an art AND a science. you can't treat it as one or the other. writing code on paper is like asking a woodchuck for directions- and if you understood that example, then YES, you are a coder.
I think you just inadvertently made a great point.
these are *real people, redneck jokes aside. having a geek beta test something is a waste of time. they know what to expect. example: I've converted my girlfriend's computer to debian, and she's found plenty of problems with the default install I never would have. there's no easy way for her to access the CDrom or the floppy drive. she didn't know what "mount/floppy/dev/floppy" was, and she didn't care. we can't expect them to all jump to CLI and perl overnight. Letting walmart customers betatest might not be the smartest Idea profit wise, but they'll get a LOT of good customer feedback:)
wtf are you talking about?! linux can run LOTS of games! gnibbles, xbill, majhong, xmine, nethack, etc....
what? you want 3d games?
nononono, remember- these are the same people who made FREECELL and SOLITAIRE popular. Once they go to the games section and see there are more than solitaire, freecell, mines, and hearts, they're heads will explode.
problem is people WILL die first time this fucks up. remeber the panic from the 90's when the phonesystem blacked out. this has the potential to be _MUCH_ worse.
Slashdot Mirror
I think I'll pass on the /. insurance.
last thing I need next time I'm in a hospital is some troll adding "goatse" to the doctors "to do" list.
ow.
unless the slashdot insurance offered protection from robots. that's the kinda insurance you can live with!
if *I* was landing a robotic lander, I would say "gee,here's where water used to be...Let's look for Fossils!"
:)
duh.
if they can find where water was collecting, there is a batter chance to find life, and hence, even if the life is dead, find proof.what would all of those religous zealots say when we say, um, yes, we have definitive PROOF of extra terrestrial life?
This give us an actual BULLSEYE to aim for to cause a massive religous upheaval.
either way it would just be cool. can you imagine what those critters mighta looked like with the differences in planets?
that' depends on who you mean by "How stupid do they think we are?"
Are you talking about your average consumer, or are you talking about the average slashdot reader?
(Afer allhow many slashdotters would buy this product anyways?)
normally I'd be inclined to agree with you, but some places, they're just not correct.
for example, I worked at the my college as a Lab assistant. EVERY single machine that had AIM or YIM on it was guarenteed to crash when I shut them down that night... why? because of the schools shitty networked programs and easily corruptable file system.
now you may say "well, then you just have a shitty system." There were other factors involved. There simply weren't enough computers for the students to use. it pissed us off when we'd get complainst there wasn't enough room when we had 5 or 6 people in a 30 person lab playing games or chatting. That was what the final reasoning was for banning all instant messengers. Unfortunately, bans aren't enough. Everyone knows the rules only apply to other people, right?
it was a well known problem. what was done about it? nothing.
however, I did come up with a theoretical solution (after I quit) to this problem. Find a few DLL's that yahoo and AIM NEED to run... ones they install themselves. Then go through and put a corrupted file (my personal favorite would be the goatse.cx picture) under that DLL's name, and mark it as a system file. I've never tried it, but I'm guessing it would choke pretty bad. it might take some experimentation, but it sounds feasable:)
when they complain, kick them out of the lab for installing software!
that may be true, but I've had several people compliment me on it.
it's JUST A SIG. but then again, I guess your probably the target audience for it.
not sure whether to leave this AC so I don't waste pagespace, or to stay logged in, so I don't appear afraid of repercussions.
oh well. 50 karma only lasts forever.
maybe now we can get some of you whiners to shut up:)
"shed old think"
it's double plus good!
slightly OT.
I did a similar thing with my girlfriend.
I started out by installing NS 6.2.3 and openoffice on her win2k box. after she started getting use to them, I transferred her over to debian with KDE, abiword and mozilla.
she took the change quite nicely, but there are still a few rough edges(she used some of the fancier trick in word, and abiword doesn't have them. maybe I'll have her try openoffice again.)
she being a good sport about it. One problem I did notice is that when she boots to the windows partition to play diablo2, and then reboots to debian, her mouse quits working. just one of those quirks.
I don't know what library you go to, but I have to sign up and provide photoID to use a library computer.
users come in waves. think of us as explorers, and these people as a wave of settlers. they don't know what they hell they're doing, but they're pretty sure there's a better life out there, and they're willing to try it.
what's worse, think about it- how many of us actually have our cases CLOSED?
locks don't help when you got the side off and a fan pointing in on the processor.
why do you think the pope and cardinals wear those funny hats?
they're recievers.
debian's apt-get is by far the coolest package manager I've seen. it alone was reason enough for me to convert my 5 boxes to debian. I've never had a dependency problem of any sort(all done automagically), and then there's
apt-get update
apt-get upgrade
which are very cool, and go to the debian website, and grab the newest definitions, then install the newest versions of your programs. I'm told it's like Rsync on slackware, but I have no Idea how truthful that is.
apt also have a few other utilities for package management, like
apt-spy, which finds the quickest download mirror for you;
apt-cache, which lets you search through the "list" of different packages for stuff your looking for and give you the package name. sorta like rpm -q, but more powerful(from what I can tell).
apt-proxy, not sure what it does, but I'm told it acts like a central repository for packages, so one machine can divvy them out to others on your network without each machine having to redownload each package from the server.
of course, now there's an apt-get for plenty of other distros from what I hear, but I think I like this one.
feel free to flame me if I screwed up somewhere- I'll make sure I lose sleep over it.
not sure if this will help alleviate your position, but I know of the debian side of apt get, there's "apt-get clean" which removes current packages from the /var/cache/apt/archives. This will remove them if you have a bunch of crap you don't need anymore.
/archives and thow this at it
/var/cache/apt/archives to /archives /var/cache/apt/archives/* /archives /var/cache/apt/archives directory /var/cache/apt/archives /archives /var/cache/apt/archives
oh course if the drive is just plain SMALL, you could always go ghetto, throw another drive in, and mount it as
#move all files and folder from
mv -r
#remove
rm -rf
#replace directory with a symbolic link
ln -s
that should work, but keep in mind I just woke up, so this code may completely pooch your machine. think it out first and make sure it won't. Not sure if apt will thow a hissy fit over that or not.
/me checks his email and goes back to sleep
yeah, they's whay they had 52x CDROM's first.
I know mine vibrates.
well, linix/*bsd/OS X are eventually going to start making large moves into the desktop market whether we all like it or not. we're going to have to deal with it.
Better that an iffy company like lindows is the sacrificial lamb. If it works out, great, people will hear about linux and it will break out more than it has. if Lindows gets chomped into itty-bitty pieces, linux gets a bad name with the general populace... it's a risk that will eventually happen, I'd rather have lindows doing it than redhat, mandrake or debian...
all else fails we can say, "nonono, you chose the wrong one" and show the the path towards what you consider enlightenment.
(my apologies towards lindows fans.)
that wasn't sarcasm, I was serious.
People love simple games- something linux has QUITE a few of.79 on the computer I'm currently sitting at from just installing KDE, GNOME, and BSD game packs.
I've spent hours playing mahjongg, same gnome, and XJewel.
I can't play 1st person shooters because they make me puke. my girlfriend is the same way, and so are her parents.
Shall we also mention Freeciv? I can get her addicted to that for hours on end.
BTW, I plan on getting neverwinter nights as well. I'm a BG2 fan, so I look forward to this.
drop the seething rage long enough to see that I agree with you.
there isn't a clue-by-four big enough to help the RIAA:)
I don't care what anyone says, you hit the nail on the head... coding is like painting, you lay down a base, throw in the basic structures, fill in the details...
it's an art AND a science. you can't treat it as one or the other.
writing code on paper is like asking a woodchuck for directions- and if you understood that example, then YES, you are a coder.
who better to be a beta tester?
/floppy /dev/floppy" was, and she didn't care. we can't expect them to all jump to CLI and perl overnight.
I think you just inadvertently made a great point.
these are *real people, redneck jokes aside. having a geek beta test something is a waste of time. they know what to expect. example: I've converted my girlfriend's computer to debian, and she's found plenty of problems with the default install I never would have.
there's no easy way for her to access the CDrom or the floppy drive.
she didn't know what "mount
Letting walmart customers betatest might not be the smartest Idea profit wise, but they'll get a LOT of good customer feedback:)
wtf are you talking about?! linux can run LOTS of games! gnibbles, xbill, majhong, xmine, nethack, etc....
what? you want 3d games?
nononono, remember- these are the same people who made FREECELL and SOLITAIRE popular. Once they go to the games section and see there are more than solitaire, freecell, mines, and hearts, they're heads will explode.
no need for 3d:)
as long as it has a modem/ethernet/wireless.
Devil's advocate had a similar scene where a large city(nyc? not sure which one) was abandoned. very cool.
it also have reeves in it.
maybe they'll use his bad acting as a way to scare people out of the city:)
/me goes out and buys every david bowie CD he can find
Rock on david.
problem is people WILL die first time this fucks up. remeber the panic from the 90's when the phonesystem blacked out.
this has the potential to be _MUCH_ worse.
bad FAA, no cookie!