The Download application has been around for years, and it's been redefining the word suck for years. If you enjoy waiting 10 minutes to see the same 10 applications displayed every day, the Download! application is for you. To even mention it in the same breath as Apple's App Store is delusional.
And as a Symbian coder, I'll agree with the parents above... the platform sucks to code for. It's a totally non-standard (no exceptions, what?) platform that makes you account for design decisions/tradeoffs which were made over 10 years ago and should be a non-issue today. When they did the big binary break and added Symbian Signed they could have addressed a lot of this, but they chose not to.
And don't get me started on Symbian Signed. Pay to have your app tested, pay to have it signed. Pay more to have your app tested if you start going deeper into the phone. Pay to have your app re-tested if you fail the test for somewhat arbitrary reasons (just check on Forum nokia to see some test rejection horror stories). Pay Nokia for the privilege of helping to grow their platform.
Is it any wonder that while the total smartphone marketplace has been growing, Symbian marketshare has shrunk for 2 years running?
I don't know which version of windows mobile you're using, but have never seen *ONE* of those complaints on my phone, with the exception of the activesync issue.
Since I don't have SMS issues, can use MP3 for ringtones, and don't have misspelling prompts, I'm thinking you're using a carrier modified version of the phone's firmware. Please complain to your carrier, not to/.
Note: I'm a linux desktop user, and a Symbian user. But even I can't stand this much fud.
So let's see here...
The Mozilla foundation provides an open source browser. A good one. For free. And basically says, do what you want, just don't change our logo, since it's our logo. And Debian has a problem with that.
Sounds like some Debian developers need to be hit with a cluestick.
Well, I guess you better start working on that European computer industry you've been slacking off on for the last 40 years.
Damn straight... because it's not like the europeans don't own the smartphone market (oh wait, they do) or produce any competitors to Microsoft (oh, wait, Linux..)
It's not that people (yourself notwithstanding) don't know about this, either - I can't watch 5 minutes worth of TV without seeing an ad for V-Cast. The big thing going right now is the "part mp3-player, part phone" Chocolate ads.
The problem is that this doesn't work. You might find the idea of downloading music through the air on the fly compelling until you actually try it. What if you already own a CD and decide one day you want to listen to a particular song from it?
My phone has a gig of memory on it... and I can swap cards in and out.. something I can't do with an iPod. Now, mind you, you're right... if I own a CD and want to listen to a particular song I can't rip it and put it on the phone on the spot... I have to use a PC, which I strongly suspect I have to do with an ipod.
As for horrible WAP interfaces... that's over. Take a look at a nice native S60 or J2ME application.
As for the VCast music store... it's verizon. They're charging an arm and a leg, and the store itself isn't very compelling.
But your blantant fanboyism towards apple is amusing. Face it... the iPod is very, very limited in what it can do. The network and OTA downloads are the next big thing.
If Nokia gets this off the ground, and does it right, it could be the end for Apple. And the two letter reason as to why, the PC.
If Nokia, who last I checked happens to sell a lot of phones, puts their music store/player software on a phone, and takes advantage of EDGE/UTMS networks to let people download music on the fly... hell, that's a lot more compelling than running home, buying something from the PC, syncing it over to the ipod, and then running off.
Not to mention the fact that I can, today, listen to podcasts over my phone. Without having to touch a PC. I just plug in my headphones, load up my podcasting app, and start listening. Last I checked, I can't do that with an iPod, unless I download them first.
Apple needs to get a cellular gameplan before it's really too late.
What if the phone was more newton like? You jumped to OS X and iTunes.. they don't even use OS X on the iPod and those work great. I think somebody's been playing with a "Jump to conclusions" board.
I don't even like linux that much and I'd rather have a phone run linux. An ipod/phone might be interesting though. (not the cingular crap)
Apple dropped the Newton. And I owned a Newton (MP 130). I loved my Newton. And it's dead. Gone. It was a bitch to network when it was alive and viable. It'd take so much work just to get it back up and able to work in today's networked environment, it's just not worth it. Where's the good email client? Where's the web browser (Newt's Cape isn't going to cut it, as good as it is)? And for god's sake, where's the J2ME runtime? Because if you don't have J2ME, the carriers can't sell you games, and that just won't fly.
And the cingular crap is mostly Apple's dump. They didn't want a phone that could compete with the iPod, so they crippled the iTunes phone. An iPhone? Nah. Symbian just works, and it works well.
What smart phones really need is for Apple to fix them.
Every time I use my symbian phone to make a call, check my email, or play some genesis games I always think, wow this would be so much better if I made an iCall, checked my iMail, and played some iGenesis! And if they could raise the free RAM needed from 10MB to 80MB, it'd be just like an apple desktop.
AIM on mobile is a huge money maker for the carriers... each SMS (at least in the US) is something costs something like.10, so you figure the average conversation is pulling them in a few bucks at a time.
Shameless plug: I wrote a free J2ME Aim client. Link is on my homepage if anyone is interested.
Just an FYI for those of us in linuxland... Kopete has (and has had) this ability for some time. The translation plugin will work with any protocol that Kopete supports.
I'm not sure what the "too late" comment means, but I think he takes a shot at some of the ximian folks later on when he suggests a maintainer for the SuSE kernel could be found from somewhere in the Ximian group.
Ouch. I mean, given the bloated (but usable) mess that is Evolution, would you want those guys maintaining your distribution's kernel?
I think he's right, SuSE isn't the same company anymore. Kubuntu, here I come.
Some corrections to your propaganda, if you don't mind. And I'd like to shamefully admit that I voted for the idiot (Bush) the first time around. I'm so f'n sorry, but at least he did lose the first election.
In Kosovo and Haiti, the death toll has been much lower than Iraq. In addition, in Kosovo, Clinton used this thing called 'the international community', which can be beneficial when conducting 'police actions'.
FEMA did so well in Florida because they were, well, f'n embarrassed by Louisana (one n, thanks). In the case of LA, when your state is so devastated that the local infrastructure collapses, you have a right to expect federal help. There are documented cases where FEMA told police officers in various parts of LA to *email* them requests for help, when police stations and power stations were completely flooded and useless. Good job Brownie!
Blowing about a blow job, understandable. Blowing the cover of a CIA agent because you're pissed that they uncovered one of your major lies for going to war, understandable but kind of much worse than the blowjob thing.
FYI, Bush != Conservative. I never thought a tax and spend Democrat would be preferable to a borrow and borrow and borrow and spend and spend and spend Republican.
I gotta say, I give the White House (and more specifically the current administration) some credit on this. Sure, Clinton didn't give a shit when The Onion used the presidential seal, but that was just a sign of the contempt that budget balancing whore had for the office of President.
Now this administration may be able screw up the invasion of the wrong country, leak the names of CIA agents, mismanage hurricane disaster relief efforts, funnel billions to Haliburton, put scientific research back decades, and turn the country into a joke in general, but they'll be *damned* if they're going to let some satire magazine use the Presidential seal in an article with a headline such as "Bush: Vacation ruined by 'Stupid Dead Soldier'".
Considering the number of people who have been ripped off via Ebay, and the fact that Ebay controls not just the marketplace, but the most popular method of payment (PayPal), and that if you get ripped off Ebay's of no help at all, this is not a bad idea at all. I'd love to see state license numbers when I buy from people.
I don't know about that. I've bought quite a few albums off iTunes. I'm one of the few people that I know of who paid for Opera. I might be in the minority, but I'd pay.
What if the numpad was replaced by a touch wheel with the 0-9 marked on it? People could still dial easily, and they'd have the iPod interface. Or to keep things familiar, just put the number 5 in the center as it's own button, and the 0 button beneath the wheel.
Nokia tried something like this a few years ago with the 3650 phone, and you know what Nokia found? People like their numpads the way they've been for the last few decades, thankyouverymuch. Th iPod interface is great for picking songs. Not so great for dialing a phone number.
I don't burn CDs very often, so I think I'll call KDE bloated so long as it has K3B.
It doesn't. K3B isn't part of KDE at all. It's just perhaps the best CD/DVD burning application available on Linux, and it just happens to be built using KDE libraries.
I believe there were 3 different Voltrons, but only 2 made it to the states (I'm sure someone will correct me). The Lion Voltron was the only one to have a 2nd season, which I heard was produced in the US and this would make sense since the quality didn't seem to be as high.
I personally preferred the vehicle Voltron. The storylines seemed much more complex, even at 12 years old.:)
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The Download application has been around for years, and it's been redefining the word suck for years. If you enjoy waiting 10 minutes to see the same 10 applications displayed every day, the Download! application is for you. To even mention it in the same breath as Apple's App Store is delusional. And as a Symbian coder, I'll agree with the parents above... the platform sucks to code for. It's a totally non-standard (no exceptions, what?) platform that makes you account for design decisions/tradeoffs which were made over 10 years ago and should be a non-issue today. When they did the big binary break and added Symbian Signed they could have addressed a lot of this, but they chose not to. And don't get me started on Symbian Signed. Pay to have your app tested, pay to have it signed. Pay more to have your app tested if you start going deeper into the phone. Pay to have your app re-tested if you fail the test for somewhat arbitrary reasons (just check on Forum nokia to see some test rejection horror stories). Pay Nokia for the privilege of helping to grow their platform. Is it any wonder that while the total smartphone marketplace has been growing, Symbian marketshare has shrunk for 2 years running?
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I don't know which version of windows mobile you're using, but have never seen *ONE* of those complaints on my phone, with the exception of the activesync issue.
Since I don't have SMS issues, can use MP3 for ringtones, and don't have misspelling prompts, I'm thinking you're using a carrier modified version of the phone's firmware. Please complain to your carrier, not to
Note: I'm a linux desktop user, and a Symbian user. But even I can't stand this much fud.
So let's see here... The Mozilla foundation provides an open source browser. A good one. For free. And basically says, do what you want, just don't change our logo, since it's our logo. And Debian has a problem with that. Sounds like some Debian developers need to be hit with a cluestick.
Well, I guess you better start working on that European computer industry you've been slacking off on for the last 40 years.
Damn straight... because it's not like the europeans don't own the smartphone market (oh wait, they do) or produce any competitors to Microsoft (oh, wait, Linux..)
It's not that people (yourself notwithstanding) don't know about this, either - I can't watch 5 minutes worth of TV without seeing an ad for V-Cast. The big thing going right now is the "part mp3-player, part phone" Chocolate ads.
The problem is that this doesn't work. You might find the idea of downloading music through the air on the fly compelling until you actually try it. What if you already own a CD and decide one day you want to listen to a particular song from it?
My phone has a gig of memory on it... and I can swap cards in and out.. something I can't do with an iPod. Now, mind you, you're right... if I own a CD and want to listen to a particular song I can't rip it and put it on the phone on the spot... I have to use a PC, which I strongly suspect I have to do with an ipod.
As for horrible WAP interfaces... that's over. Take a look at a nice native S60 or J2ME application.
As for the VCast music store... it's verizon. They're charging an arm and a leg, and the store itself isn't very compelling.
But your blantant fanboyism towards apple is amusing. Face it... the iPod is very, very limited in what it can do. The network and OTA downloads are the next big thing.
Sorry Nokia. You're already too late.
Actually, Apple's probably already too late.
If Nokia gets this off the ground, and does it right, it could be the end for Apple. And the two letter reason as to why, the PC.
If Nokia, who last I checked happens to sell a lot of phones, puts their music store/player software on a phone, and takes advantage of EDGE/UTMS networks to let people download music on the fly... hell, that's a lot more compelling than running home, buying something from the PC, syncing it over to the ipod, and then running off.
Not to mention the fact that I can, today, listen to podcasts over my phone. Without having to touch a PC. I just plug in my headphones, load up my podcasting app, and start listening. Last I checked, I can't do that with an iPod, unless I download them first.
Apple needs to get a cellular gameplan before it's really too late.
What if the phone was more newton like? You jumped to OS X and iTunes.. they don't even use OS X on the iPod and those work great. I think somebody's been playing with a "Jump to conclusions" board.
I don't even like linux that much and I'd rather have a phone run linux. An ipod/phone might be interesting though. (not the cingular crap) Apple dropped the Newton. And I owned a Newton (MP 130). I loved my Newton. And it's dead. Gone. It was a bitch to network when it was alive and viable. It'd take so much work just to get it back up and able to work in today's networked environment, it's just not worth it. Where's the good email client? Where's the web browser (Newt's Cape isn't going to cut it, as good as it is)? And for god's sake, where's the J2ME runtime? Because if you don't have J2ME, the carriers can't sell you games, and that just won't fly.
And the cingular crap is mostly Apple's dump. They didn't want a phone that could compete with the iPod, so they crippled the iTunes phone. An iPhone? Nah. Symbian just works, and it works well.
What smart phones really need is for Apple to fix them.
Every time I use my symbian phone to make a call, check my email, or play some genesis games I always think, wow this would be so much better if I made an iCall, checked my iMail, and played some iGenesis! And if they could raise the free RAM needed from 10MB to 80MB, it'd be just like an apple desktop.
Meh, the world will pass on the iPhone.
I believe the black lion forms the head and chest.
Anythingbutipod.com is not a sandisk site. They're an independent site that reviews MP3 players, as long as they're not iPods.
That's great... you can write for your PocketPC phones, and your... PocketPC phones.
Meanwhile, feature phones (which is where the money is) run J2ME.
If they add DRM to linux, does that mean I can download episodes of BSG from an online store and play them?
If so, I'm all for it.
AIM on mobile is a huge money maker for the carriers... each SMS (at least in the US) is something costs something like .10, so you figure the average conversation is pulling them in a few bucks at a time.
Shameless plug: I wrote a free J2ME Aim client. Link is on my homepage if anyone is interested.
Just an FYI for those of us in linuxland... Kopete has (and has had) this ability for some time. The translation plugin will work with any protocol that Kopete supports.
I'm not sure what the "too late" comment means, but I think he takes a shot at some of the ximian folks later on when he suggests a maintainer for the SuSE kernel could be found from somewhere in the Ximian group.
Ouch. I mean, given the bloated (but usable) mess that is Evolution, would you want those guys maintaining your distribution's kernel?
I think he's right, SuSE isn't the same company anymore. Kubuntu, here I come.
- In Kosovo and Haiti, the death toll has been much lower than Iraq. In addition, in Kosovo, Clinton used this thing called 'the international community', which can be beneficial when conducting 'police actions'.
- FEMA did so well in Florida because they were, well, f'n embarrassed by Louisana (one n, thanks). In the case of LA, when your state is so devastated that the local infrastructure collapses, you have a right to expect federal help. There are documented cases where FEMA told police officers in various parts of LA to *email* them requests for help, when police stations and power stations were completely flooded and useless. Good job Brownie!
- Blowing about a blow job, understandable. Blowing the cover of a CIA agent because you're pissed that they uncovered one of your major lies for going to war, understandable but kind of much worse than the blowjob thing.
FYI, Bush != Conservative. I never thought a tax and spend Democrat would be preferable to a borrow and borrow and borrow and spend and spend and spend Republican.I gotta say, I give the White House (and more specifically the current administration) some credit on this. Sure, Clinton didn't give a shit when The Onion used the presidential seal, but that was just a sign of the contempt that budget balancing whore had for the office of President.
Now this administration may be able screw up the invasion of the wrong country, leak the names of CIA agents, mismanage hurricane disaster relief efforts, funnel billions to Haliburton, put scientific research back decades, and turn the country into a joke in general, but they'll be *damned* if they're going to let some satire magazine use the Presidential seal in an article with a headline such as "Bush: Vacation ruined by 'Stupid Dead Soldier'".
Bravo!
Considering the number of people who have been ripped off via Ebay, and the fact that Ebay controls not just the marketplace, but the most popular method of payment (PayPal), and that if you get ripped off Ebay's of no help at all, this is not a bad idea at all. I'd love to see state license numbers when I buy from people.
Hrm...
I don't know about that. I've bought quite a few albums off iTunes. I'm one of the few people that I know of who paid for Opera. I might be in the minority, but I'd pay.
Hell... I'd pay 4.99 per episode for the new Doctor Who. Are you listening BBC/Apple?
Google on "Apt for SuSE". I use it, it is fantastic.
What if the numpad was replaced by a touch wheel with the 0-9 marked on it? People could still dial easily, and they'd have the iPod interface. Or to keep things familiar, just put the number 5 in the center as it's own button, and the 0 button beneath the wheel.
Nokia tried something like this a few years ago with the 3650 phone, and you know what Nokia found? People like their numpads the way they've been for the last few decades, thankyouverymuch. Th iPod interface is great for picking songs. Not so great for dialing a phone number.
There are a few hundred thousand people in nanjing who'd like to punch you in the nose. I'm afraid they'd have to line up behind me tho.
I don't burn CDs very often, so I think I'll call KDE bloated so long as it has K3B.
It doesn't. K3B isn't part of KDE at all. It's just perhaps the best CD/DVD burning application available on Linux, and it just happens to be built using KDE libraries.
I believe there were 3 different Voltrons, but only 2 made it to the states (I'm sure someone will correct me). The Lion Voltron was the only one to have a 2nd season, which I heard was produced in the US and this would make sense since the quality didn't seem to be as high.
I personally preferred the vehicle Voltron. The storylines seemed much more complex, even at 12 years old.