because the hard drives that are in the iPods are insanely expensive. The 5gig HD that's in the low end model would cost you $400. With the iPod you're getting the HD and the mp3 playing stuff. You're not going to find apple selling these things for less than they can get the HDs for.
Apple did an about face because the clone market was cannibalizing Apple's sales. The Clones made hardware that was just as good and was cheaper than Apple's own hardware. Pretty good deal at the time. I'm sure its said other places, but Apple is a hardware company first and a software company second. They couldn't survive as just a software company (or maybe didn't want to, Apple does have larger profit margins than most of the industry)
Secondly, you don't have to buy a whole new computer when you want to upgrade (ok you used to back with the Mac IIs and what not). You can buy processor upgrades for most recent Mac models (i.e. made in the last 6 or 7 years). When I get the money, I'm gonna take my 350 G3 up to dual 500 G4s, a full gig of ram and a new HD (prolly 80 gigs). Granted that's gonna cost an arm and a leg. but I do get to keep my spiffy blue case.
Isn't that more or less what M$ wanted to do with WPA? It checked what you've got in your box, then called home and told them what you had, so next time your serial was used they could check and see if the config was the same. Good idea in theory, but I don't think any of us would want machine specific binaries anyway.
MacOS shipped in 1984. Mac OS X shipped in 2001. Lets see, 40K apps in 17 years vs. 200 in 1. How many commercial apps shipped for the Original Mac in 1984? I'm not bothering with the rest of your comment. I feel dumber for reading it.
Apple made an all in one with an LCD for their 20th anneversary ('95 I think?). the 20th Anneversary Mac looks more like the Profile 3 than the new iMac. Granted the things cost like 10K when they came out, weren't that fast, and broke easily. I don't really know of any combos like this before that tho.
My first computer was a Mac LC that was/is older than my little brother. It had a 10 mHz 020, 10 Megs of RAM, and a 40 meg HD.
I should probably mention I got this thing in 1997, and used it until I got my current G3. How many of you were using 1986 tech in '99?
The problem is that the Saturn was designed as the ultimate 2d system. And it was. The problem was that Sony forsaw (forced? what's the difference) the shift to 3d and beefed up that section of its new console. Sega saw this and tacked on the 3d capabilites to the Saturn at the last minute. That's why the 3d of the Saturn sucked. Of course, the 2d on the Saturn ran circles around the Playstation, so its a wash. Most of my favorite games are 2d anyway.
The Saturn was also notoriously difficult to program for. We were hearing the same complaints from developers with the Saturn as we did with the PS2.
Lets see what else? Oh the Lynx and the Nomad never competed. The Lynx was Atari's attempt at a color portable and it came out about the same time as the Gameboy and Game Gear. The Nomad was a Genesis repackaged into a portable format. It came out in '96, I think. The Game Gear was Sega's color portable. It had a crappy screen and sucked through batteries like a 2 dollar whore. Nice system for the time, but it was stomped by the Gameboy, which cost half as much and had twice as many games. (I should mention I'm a Nintendo fanboy)
Why do people buy coke and pepsi? Wal-Mart Brand Pop ttastes pretty much the same and it costs half as much. People like seeing Brand-Names(tm), I guess.
Apple also announced that you can add in a GeForce4 Ti4600 for another $200 yesterday. Hmm, another year of college or a new mac. Decisions, decisions.
The main processor of the Dreamcast runs at 200 mHz. The main processor of the PS2 runs at 300. The main processor of the Gamecube runs at 405, I think. And the xbox at 733. I'm not getting into the differences between graphics chips.
well, lets think about this for a second. What does PC stand for?
Personal Computer.
Hmm, so wouldn't a motherboard for a personal computer also be a PC?
By jove, I think I'm right:P The Anal Retentive part of me goes into convulsions every time I see PC vs. Mac. But then I give it chocolate and it quiets down.
POP is more akin to x86 than PC (or Mac for that matter)
Yes it was, as sorry as this may be, there was a small(like 2 months) window between the release of the Rage 128 and the VooDoo3/TNT2. A Rage 128 will beat a Voodoo2(not sure about the TNT, although the 128 was the first card to do 32bit color with little performance hit) Secondly, the Radeon 8500 will beat a GeForce 3Ti500. Hell on the Anandtech roundup a few days ago pitting all the chips against each other on the Unreal 2 engine, the Radeon beat the GeForce 3 on every resolution execpt 16x12. So therefore, ATI has had (albeit for an incredibly short time), and currently is, the reigning king if vid cards, as you put it.
Ok, I know that the GeForce 4 is the NV25. (which also might be what's in the xBox I'm not sure)I would guess that when the GeForce 4 comes out (Feb?). nVidia is going to do their normal thang i.e. release 3 different versions: a Geforce 4 MX (low end), Geforce 4 (midrange), and Geforce 4 Pro/Ultra (high end). Of course, Apple might just be speculating on the name, as the last round of this gradiation was the Tixxx. So who knows. And I believe for like a month back in '99 the Rage 128 was the best you could get. Apple always likes to boast that they're putting the newest video technology in their boxes, but when those boxes get around to shipping they're not so impressive anymore, at least they're trying (personally I'd rather have the 8500, but that's just me)
Yes, but the only people that care about upgradable video cards are YOU PEOPLE! The people that would buy the iMac are not the kind that sit and fret over what kind of video card they have, and what their FPS is in Quake 8. I know its been said before around here, but the iMac is not designed for you, the iMac is designed for people who want to check their e-mail, surf the web, play their MP3s, print their digital photos, (insert iApp here); all on a box that don't look like the big beige monster took a crap on their desk. (/Rant)
OK, glad I got that out of my system. Personally, I think OS X is the best thing since sliced bread (and maybe even cheese in a can!). The implementation of OpenGL is 3x what it is in Classic Mac OS. My Quake 2 (yes I'm a purist) framerates jumped 20 FPS just from switching to OS X. 60+ FPS on a 3 year old system on your Rage 128 makes me a happy little camper.
I believe the G5 is supposed to be 64 bit. Now when the G5 will be avilable is anyone's guess. Supposedly they're going to ship sometime this year. Supposedly Apple is going to announce an updated tower line like next week, whether those are true G5's or just speedbumped G4s is anybody's guess.
I know of at least 1 game that came from teh Yaroze project. It was called "Devil Dice". Whether or not any more came from it I don't know.
Then again, what do you mean by homebrew PS1 games? I'd be willing to bet that because of the "copy protection" on games, mass producing a game is gonna be expensive, i.e. you can't just burn a few copies for your friends (who burn a few copies for their friends...).
In my mind, Yaroze was more to get people programing on the PS1 platform, cause then when those programers get jobs in the industry, what are they going to want to program for? Yes, the PS1. I'd imagine Sony has the same plan with the linux kit for the PS2.
ok, I have a crappy, $80 CD player. The speakers for my computer cost that much. As such, I don't often use the crappy $80 CD player. I've ripped every CD I own to MP3 and just use my computer as a jukebox. To me it sounds the same, and I don't have to worry about shuffling CDs around. All that being said, I'd love to have a small little MP3 player so that I might enjoy my music when I'm not in my room. Being a poor college student prevents this. Hell, when I moved in this year I didn't even bother with bringing my crappy $80 stereo, I've got my Computer that does all that and more. So (in my opinion at least) the message is, "If you have MP3s that you'd like to play, we provide a nice player for you!"
Ok, all that being said, I do think that we are going to move to a digital model for music. DataPlay was talking about having mutiple compressed albums on one of their disk-thingies. A lot of the major labels have some form of download based music in the works, even if it is the pay-napster thing that was previewed a couple weeks ago. I think these are the next generation of the portable CD players. They're smaller, almost as good quality(which means good enough for 97.658% of the people out there).
Or it could goad people like me into buying one. As of right now, I can still get a Visor Deluxe, for about 120 new. In 3 months I probably won't. And now I know I won't be able to find one if I waited until summer like I was planning. (sigh, if only my refund check would get here)
Probably, the original iMacs weighed over 40 pounds. Of course that was mostly due to the CRT. I'm not sure what the componets weigh, as my school never let me close enough to one with a screwdriver.
A lot of that depends on how you define tight lip. The Apple rumor sites (of which there are plenty) had been speculating about an LCD iMac since the Colored ones came out (the fruity ones). So the LCD iMac is nothing new, the design is, but a cheap Mac with an integrated LCD called the iMac isn't.
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yeah, the iPod uses a 1.8" drive that only toshiba makes.
because the hard drives that are in the iPods are insanely expensive. The 5gig HD that's in the low end model would cost you $400. With the iPod you're getting the HD and the mp3 playing stuff. You're not going to find apple selling these things for less than they can get the HDs for.
Apple did an about face because the clone market was cannibalizing Apple's sales. The Clones made hardware that was just as good and was cheaper than Apple's own hardware. Pretty good deal at the time. I'm sure its said other places, but Apple is a hardware company first and a software company second. They couldn't survive as just a software company (or maybe didn't want to, Apple does have larger profit margins than most of the industry)
Secondly, you don't have to buy a whole new computer when you want to upgrade (ok you used to back with the Mac IIs and what not). You can buy processor upgrades for most recent Mac models (i.e. made in the last 6 or 7 years). When I get the money, I'm gonna take my 350 G3 up to dual 500 G4s, a full gig of ram and a new HD (prolly 80 gigs). Granted that's gonna cost an arm and a leg. but I do get to keep my spiffy blue case.
Isn't that more or less what M$ wanted to do with WPA? It checked what you've got in your box, then called home and told them what you had, so next time your serial was used they could check and see if the config was the same. Good idea in theory, but I don't think any of us would want machine specific binaries anyway.
MacOS shipped in 1984. Mac OS X shipped in 2001. Lets see, 40K apps in 17 years vs. 200 in 1. How many commercial apps shipped for the Original Mac in 1984? I'm not bothering with the rest of your comment. I feel dumber for reading it.
Apple made an all in one with an LCD for their 20th anneversary ('95 I think?). the 20th Anneversary Mac looks more like the Profile 3 than the new iMac. Granted the things cost like 10K when they came out, weren't that fast, and broke easily. I don't really know of any combos like this before that tho.
I'll bite too:
My first computer was a Mac LC that was/is older than my little brother. It had a 10 mHz 020, 10 Megs of RAM, and a 40 meg HD.
I should probably mention I got this thing in 1997, and used it until I got my current G3. How many of you were using 1986 tech in '99?
yes, the 3d of the Saturn was horrible.
The problem is that the Saturn was designed as the ultimate 2d system. And it was. The problem was that Sony forsaw (forced? what's the difference) the shift to 3d and beefed up that section of its new console. Sega saw this and tacked on the 3d capabilites to the Saturn at the last minute. That's why the 3d of the Saturn sucked.
Of course, the 2d on the Saturn ran circles around the Playstation, so its a wash. Most of my favorite games are 2d anyway.
The Saturn was also notoriously difficult to program for. We were hearing the same complaints from developers with the Saturn as we did with the PS2.
Lets see what else? Oh the Lynx and the Nomad never competed. The Lynx was Atari's attempt at a color portable and it came out about the same time as the Gameboy and Game Gear. The Nomad was a Genesis repackaged into a portable format. It came out in '96, I think. The Game Gear was Sega's color portable. It had a crappy screen and sucked through batteries like a 2 dollar whore. Nice system for the time, but it was stomped by the Gameboy, which cost half as much and had twice as many games. (I should mention I'm a Nintendo fanboy)
Why do people buy coke and pepsi? Wal-Mart Brand Pop ttastes pretty much the same and it costs half as much. People like seeing Brand-Names(tm), I guess.
Apple also announced that you can add in a GeForce4 Ti4600 for another $200 yesterday. Hmm, another year of college or a new mac. Decisions, decisions.
ok, Firstly, I agree with the first replyer. I feel stupider after reading that thing. Someone remind me to stop clicking on Tom's Hardware links :P
Second, xBox = Bad. The Microsoft part is like hate gravy. You shouldn't like it anyway, but because its from M$, you can hate it that much more.
The main processor of the Dreamcast runs at 200 mHz. The main processor of the PS2 runs at 300. The main processor of the Gamecube runs at 405, I think. And the xbox at 733. I'm not getting into the differences between graphics chips.
well, lets think about this for a second. What does PC stand for?
:P The Anal Retentive part of me goes into convulsions every time I see PC vs. Mac. But then I give it chocolate and it quiets down.
Personal Computer.
Hmm, so wouldn't a motherboard for a personal computer also be a PC?
By jove, I think I'm right
POP is more akin to x86 than PC (or Mac for that matter)
I need a life.
Yes it was, as sorry as this may be, there was a small(like 2 months) window between the release of the Rage 128 and the VooDoo3/TNT2. A Rage 128 will beat a Voodoo2(not sure about the TNT, although the 128 was the first card to do 32bit color with little performance hit) Secondly, the Radeon 8500 will beat a GeForce 3Ti500. Hell on the Anandtech roundup a few days ago pitting all the chips against each other on the Unreal 2 engine, the Radeon beat the GeForce 3 on every resolution execpt 16x12. So therefore, ATI has had (albeit for an incredibly short time), and currently is, the reigning king if vid cards, as you put it.
Ok, I know that the GeForce 4 is the NV25. (which also might be what's in the xBox I'm not sure)I would guess that when the GeForce 4 comes out (Feb?). nVidia is going to do their normal thang i.e. release 3 different versions: a Geforce 4 MX (low end), Geforce 4 (midrange), and Geforce 4 Pro/Ultra (high end). Of course, Apple might just be speculating on the name, as the last round of this gradiation was the Tixxx. So who knows. And I believe for like a month back in '99 the Rage 128 was the best you could get. Apple always likes to boast that they're putting the newest video technology in their boxes, but when those boxes get around to shipping they're not so impressive anymore, at least they're trying (personally I'd rather have the 8500, but that's just me)
Yes, but the only people that care about upgradable video cards are YOU PEOPLE! The people that would buy the iMac are not the kind that sit and fret over what kind of video card they have, and what their FPS is in Quake 8. I know its been said before around here, but the iMac is not designed for you, the iMac is designed for people who want to check their e-mail, surf the web, play their MP3s, print their digital photos, (insert iApp here); all on a box that don't look like the big beige monster took a crap on their desk. (/Rant)
OK, glad I got that out of my system. Personally, I think OS X is the best thing since sliced bread (and maybe even cheese in a can!). The implementation of OpenGL is 3x what it is in Classic Mac OS. My Quake 2 (yes I'm a purist) framerates jumped 20 FPS just from switching to OS X. 60+ FPS on a 3 year old system on your Rage 128 makes me a happy little camper.
I believe the G5 is supposed to be 64 bit. Now when the G5 will be avilable is anyone's guess. Supposedly they're going to ship sometime this year. Supposedly Apple is going to announce an updated tower line like next week, whether those are true G5's or just speedbumped G4s is anybody's guess.
The irony, in my case, is that I wouldn't go to the trouble of ripping (and very rarely pirating) DVDs if it weren't for CSS and region codes.
So in other words you wouldn't be breaking the law if it wasn't illegal? Makes sense.
I know of at least 1 game that came from teh Yaroze project. It was called "Devil Dice". Whether or not any more came from it I don't know.
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Then again, what do you mean by homebrew PS1 games? I'd be willing to bet that because of the "copy protection" on games, mass producing a game is gonna be expensive, i.e. you can't just burn a few copies for your friends (who burn a few copies for their friends
In my mind, Yaroze was more to get people programing on the PS1 platform, cause then when those programers get jobs in the industry, what are they going to want to program for? Yes, the PS1. I'd imagine Sony has the same plan with the linux kit for the PS2.
ok, I have a crappy, $80 CD player. The speakers for my computer cost that much. As such, I don't often use the crappy $80 CD player. I've ripped every CD I own to MP3 and just use my computer as a jukebox. To me it sounds the same, and I don't have to worry about shuffling CDs around. All that being said, I'd love to have a small little MP3 player so that I might enjoy my music when I'm not in my room. Being a poor college student prevents this. Hell, when I moved in this year I didn't even bother with bringing my crappy $80 stereo, I've got my Computer that does all that and more. So (in my opinion at least) the message is, "If you have MP3s that you'd like to play, we provide a nice player for you!"
Ok, all that being said, I do think that we are going to move to a digital model for music. DataPlay was talking about having mutiple compressed albums on one of their disk-thingies. A lot of the major labels have some form of download based music in the works, even if it is the pay-napster thing that was previewed a couple weeks ago. I think these are the next generation of the portable CD players. They're smaller, almost as good quality(which means good enough for 97.658% of the people out there).
Or it could goad people like me into buying one. As of right now, I can still get a Visor Deluxe, for about 120 new. In 3 months I probably won't. And now I know I won't be able to find one if I waited until summer like I was planning. (sigh, if only my refund check would get here)
You're right I'm not in the potential market base. I'm typing this on a Blue & White G3 tower. i.e. Not an iMac. Mmmm, eat up troll.
Yes, but he admited to sending it to Steve Jobs (sjobs@apple.com I believe). That makes it fall under Apple's Unsolicited clause.
Probably, the original iMacs weighed over 40 pounds. Of course that was mostly due to the CRT. I'm not sure what the componets weigh, as my school never let me close enough to one with a screwdriver.
A lot of that depends on how you define tight lip. The Apple rumor sites (of which there are plenty) had been speculating about an LCD iMac since the Colored ones came out (the fruity ones). So the LCD iMac is nothing new, the design is, but a cheap Mac with an integrated LCD called the iMac isn't.