I did this too some time back. There's a company around here too who do it apprantly. Basic data recovery, but its better than losing stuff completely.
I personally don't see this as being a massive dumping of the Netware server with Novell then turning to customers and making them buy all the apps separately. Its going to be a natural transition. Netware 7 will be the hyrid, Netware 8 will be a full install with a linux kernel.
The prospect of running Netware on a Linux kernel is very exciting though. It gives instant access to many more drivers and much better hardware support, and I can see it reducing costs of using/support Netware quite a bit.
If Novell dropped Netware as a product, I see that as being a bit suicidal.
This is comparing two different things. Its like comparing QNX to Windows. TRON isn't an end user's OS, or even a server OS. Its a turnkey solution. I think there's a lot of noise being made over nothing here.
Is this going to one day turn into a computer program which defeats its rival in the computer, then takes on civilisation as we know it and takes over the world?
Its the beginning of the matrix people. We should stop it now!!!
The main problem I've found is trying to record along to another track. For example, I might record a track in Cubase or something (the app is irellevant), then go back and record a second track alongside it. As far as I'm concerned, i'm in pretty good time to it. I'm no metronome, but its as good as. If you then play back, the second track is out by as much as a second sometimes. Its then a case of moving stuff about until its all aligned. Its annoying to say the least though, as you're always chopping audio to make it fit.
We had terrible problems with the original SB Live 1024, as neither creative's drivers nor some open-source ones were very good at fixing it. The Audigy drivers on the otherhand have a tiny latency, as I've not encountered any of the old latency problems I used to have. And its not only a driver issue - some hardware just isn't up to the task. The other option is a Protools Rig, or spending hundreds on professional soundcards, which I don't fancy doing.
I bought the new MSI 865 NEO2 FSIR board, which includes the wonders of 6-channel sound, Optical in/out, Coax in/out, and pin headers so I can plug the front audio ports in too. I bought my Audigy when I was using the Abit TH7II which only had pretty basic sound. Now the Audigy seems a bit excessive. I do use the Audigy Drive a lot though, mainly for music recording. But I do that so rarely its not all that much of a concern.
As for quality, onboard sound is pretty good these days. I've not tested the onboard stuff with this board, but other boards I've seen (heard) have been on a par with the Audigy. I know a lot of people are quick to badmouth Creative soundcards, but I like them. the ASIO support is very good for latenty-less recording/playback. I'm not sure this is something the onboard sound chipsets could manage so well.
We did investigate a whole slew of mail clients. We were originally using Netscape 4.7, but it was causing loads of problems. We discounted Netscape 7 due to it being so big and slow. Mozilla wasn't much better. Ironically, we settled on Outlook! Our reasons for using Outlook were mainly based around our financials system interfacing with it. Mozilla is good, but it just couldn't cut it in our organisation (also a University)
This thing has a Hyperthreading processor - the OS will address this as 2 processors. Windows XP Home doesn't support multiple processors, so if you buy the lower spec version, you've wiped out the chances of the wonders of Hyper Threading.
I recently bought the MSI Neo2-FISR (865 chipset) and its a really solid board. I'm quite impressed with it. Never thought I'd end up with an MSI board....
I'm the kind of person who would like some sort of constantly running system like this (I want to implement a Cache sometime) so these sorts of systems intrigue me. I couldn't put up with the constant whirr of a full PC, but I could put up with one of these. Trouble is, this one seems so pricey, considering the minimalistic specs. For the price I could build a much faster, more capable system, albeit a lot louder (and a bit bigger - its a MATX case I've got lying about here). Are these guys just aiming for too small a market and pricing themselves out? I think they might be.
How about coupling it with a water cooler? So when thirst call, you don't have to go to the faucet...
Even better, why not add a toilet, so you can pee into it, thus keeping it topped up, and some sort of filtration system. You could then live on pizzas ordered online, and never have to leave the computer!!!
Hey, MS spends $5bn in R&D for a lousy OS. A single chappie named Linus maintains the entire Linux kernel in his spare time! Can't say that any more...
Well, now he has all the spare time in the world. Maybe we should get him a part time job, cleaning or something, then he's still not working on the kernel fulltime?
Their webserver it seems, " is apparently not quite perfect:" It has already been/.ed Obviously evidence of a conspiracy to cover up the mistakes in the theorem. Sssshhh!
Maybe they should set the maximum connections on the server to a prime number.
I see a lot about these sorts of massive mathematical problems. I can understand calculating pi to the nth point as it is used in calculations, but what sort of benefit does mankind get from working out twin primes? In fact, do primes do anything for us anyway?
I'm well aware of what primes are, I just have never found a use for them!
"Amiga. At least it's better than windows" is what you're saying.
Why would I compare a whole computer platform to an operating system? Two different things there altogether.
Yeah, I think considering what was available at the time it came out, it did an awful lot. It was doing overlapping windows, and all sorts of other stuff we'd now consider very basic and trivial, but then was a feat of coding to do.
Don't forget it could do all this off one disk too. No hard disk install required for a complete 32-bit (ok, bits of it 24) multi-tasking operating system with a pretty good, and very usable GUI.
Workbench is a damn good example of usability in GUIs.
I can't believe they class these prices as high! Prices haven fallen so much over the years. Maybe this is something only affecting the US? (I'm in the UK).
Well yeah.
Kind of explains why on one of the database servers at work its using up all free ram. So much so there's only 100mb free. Itself its using about 700mb I think. From what I've read thats about right. (Gig of ram in the server). The hard drive rarely does much.
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I did this too some time back. There's a company around here too who do it apprantly. Basic data recovery, but its better than losing stuff completely.
;)
Anyway, why didn't he backup....
I personally don't see this as being a massive dumping of the Netware server with Novell then turning to customers and making them buy all the apps separately. Its going to be a natural transition. Netware 7 will be the hyrid, Netware 8 will be a full install with a linux kernel.
The prospect of running Netware on a Linux kernel is very exciting though. It gives instant access to many more drivers and much better hardware support, and I can see it reducing costs of using/support Netware quite a bit.
If Novell dropped Netware as a product, I see that as being a bit suicidal.
Well, why would they want to use an English word! Oh the shame!!!!
This is comparing two different things. Its like comparing QNX to Windows. TRON isn't an end user's OS, or even a server OS. Its a turnkey solution. I think there's a lot of noise being made over nothing here.
The Register have an interesting take on this too here
Is this going to one day turn into a computer program which defeats its rival in the computer, then takes on civilisation as we know it and takes over the world?
Its the beginning of the matrix people. We should stop it now!!!
*twitch*
Yeah, I did mean Latency :)
The main problem I've found is trying to record along to another track. For example, I might record a track in Cubase or something (the app is irellevant), then go back and record a second track alongside it. As far as I'm concerned, i'm in pretty good time to it. I'm no metronome, but its as good as. If you then play back, the second track is out by as much as a second sometimes. Its then a case of moving stuff about until its all aligned. Its annoying to say the least though, as you're always chopping audio to make it fit.
We had terrible problems with the original SB Live 1024, as neither creative's drivers nor some open-source ones were very good at fixing it. The Audigy drivers on the otherhand have a tiny latency, as I've not encountered any of the old latency problems I used to have. And its not only a driver issue - some hardware just isn't up to the task. The other option is a Protools Rig, or spending hundreds on professional soundcards, which I don't fancy doing.
I bought the new MSI 865 NEO2 FSIR board, which includes the wonders of 6-channel sound, Optical in/out, Coax in/out, and pin headers so I can plug the front audio ports in too. I bought my Audigy when I was using the Abit TH7II which only had pretty basic sound. Now the Audigy seems a bit excessive. I do use the Audigy Drive a lot though, mainly for music recording. But I do that so rarely its not all that much of a concern.
As for quality, onboard sound is pretty good these days. I've not tested the onboard stuff with this board, but other boards I've seen (heard) have been on a par with the Audigy. I know a lot of people are quick to badmouth Creative soundcards, but I like them. the ASIO support is very good for latenty-less recording/playback. I'm not sure this is something the onboard sound chipsets could manage so well.
No...you're thinking of the travel tubes...
:-)
That would be REALLY cool
We did investigate a whole slew of mail clients. We were originally using Netscape 4.7, but it was causing loads of problems. We discounted Netscape 7 due to it being so big and slow. Mozilla wasn't much better. Ironically, we settled on Outlook! Our reasons for using Outlook were mainly based around our financials system interfacing with it. Mozilla is good, but it just couldn't cut it in our organisation (also a University)
This thing has a Hyperthreading processor - the OS will address this as 2 processors. Windows XP Home doesn't support multiple processors, so if you buy the lower spec version, you've wiped out the chances of the wonders of Hyper Threading.
Didn't the people at Toshiba realise this!?!
I recently bought the MSI Neo2-FISR (865 chipset) and its a really solid board. I'm quite impressed with it. Never thought I'd end up with an MSI board....
Stranger things have happened I suppose!
I'm the kind of person who would like some sort of constantly running system like this (I want to implement a Cache sometime) so these sorts of systems intrigue me. I couldn't put up with the constant whirr of a full PC, but I could put up with one of these. Trouble is, this one seems so pricey, considering the minimalistic specs. For the price I could build a much faster, more capable system, albeit a lot louder (and a bit bigger - its a MATX case I've got lying about here). Are these guys just aiming for too small a market and pricing themselves out? I think they might be.
How about coupling it with a water cooler? So when thirst call, you don't have to go to the faucet...
Even better, why not add a toilet, so you can pee into it, thus keeping it topped up, and some sort of filtration system. You could then live on pizzas ordered online, and never have to leave the computer!!!
How bored would you get....
I'd like to know where the in-flight movie is. Is there a monitor behind his seat with it on?
Hey, MS spends $5bn in R&D for a lousy OS. A single chappie named Linus maintains the entire Linux kernel in his spare time! Can't say that any more... Well, now he has all the spare time in the world. Maybe we should get him a part time job, cleaning or something, then he's still not working on the kernel fulltime?
Ah yes, but could you play an MP3, encode a movie, search for the cure for cancer andtype at ~70WPM?
Their webserver it seems, " is apparently not quite perfect:" It has already been /.ed Obviously evidence of a conspiracy to cover up the mistakes in the theorem. Sssshhh!
Maybe they should set the maximum connections on the server to a prime number.
I see a lot about these sorts of massive mathematical problems. I can understand calculating pi to the nth point as it is used in calculations, but what sort of benefit does mankind get from working out twin primes? In fact, do primes do anything for us anyway?
I'm well aware of what primes are, I just have never found a use for them!
Apple will have to crack down on these "meta-clone" boxes.
And their "meta-clone" websites. Yet another Apple.com-alike. Then again, Steve Jobs said himself 'Great artists steal'.
Maybe he didn't mean it literally.
"Amiga. At least it's better than windows" is what you're saying. Why would I compare a whole computer platform to an operating system? Two different things there altogether.
Besides, we're talking about the GUI here.
They don't seem to work.
Yeah, I think considering what was available at the time it came out, it did an awful lot. It was doing overlapping windows, and all sorts of other stuff we'd now consider very basic and trivial, but then was a feat of coding to do.
Don't forget it could do all this off one disk too. No hard disk install required for a complete 32-bit (ok, bits of it 24) multi-tasking operating system with a pretty good, and very usable GUI.
Workbench is a damn good example of usability in GUIs.
I can't believe they class these prices as high! Prices haven fallen so much over the years. Maybe this is something only affecting the US? (I'm in the UK).
Well yeah. Kind of explains why on one of the database servers at work its using up all free ram. So much so there's only 100mb free. Itself its using about 700mb I think. From what I've read thats about right. (Gig of ram in the server). The hard drive rarely does much.