I am sure even non-techies think this is impressive. Each one of those modules for that computer would of had to be assembled and tested by hand. Even then this is no simple HACK computer. It has square root for christ sakes (even if it is a bit long in cycles). This thing is WAY over-engineered yet very pretty to look at.
I'd be interested to know how modeler it is. That is can you move the logic modules around to change the instructions with the way he has those cables connected. I always liked the idea of the DEC plug in modules. Where all you needed was a properly wired back-plane and poof, computer.
It's an interesting insight into Apple's view of the world. All music must be either ripped (and thus backed up) or bought from iTunes. Therefore, deleting it isn't an issue, you can now stream it and iTunes will re-download it if you have an iPod. There are no other use cases, all other workflows are incorrect. iTunes manages all your audio files, you shouldn't even be looking at them. You click play in iTunes, it plays (subject to internet connection, fees may apply), it works perfectly and in the most intuitive and revolutionary manner possible.
Fuck. I can't tell if your trolling, being sarcastic, explaining or being a fanboy. Excellent Post!
" If the evidence already exists (as encrypted data on the hard drive)"
Ah, but it's NOT known to exist. The prosecution only suspects there's evidence on the hard drive, and they're fishing.
Thats the catch. In this case they have evidence from his sister that she saw child porn on his monitor. Its how they got the warrant. Its been stated better elsewhere in comments, but the police is in the good here. They tracked this guy for weeks, they KNOW he was using his computer this time at a child porn site. So yea, he was boned way before they got the hands on the drives. They raided the house specifically for these drives.
It be different if he was arrested for another charge and the procureruter wanted the hard drives decrypted to "find possable child porn" I honestly don't know why everyone is up and arms over this non issue:P
Its the reason why the NASA space ports are at Huston and Cape Canaveral. They are on the coast so when a rocket goes crazy, it can go crazy in the sea.
As for the dirt, yea. Even way inland, your looking at 4 to upwards of 8 meters till you reach bedrock and a lot of that filler is clay. You can't have basements here either, cause that clay will drain water into it daily.
My grandpa realized this 30 years ago when he built his home and spent an extra 30k drilling these 5 meter cement pillars for his home. He hasn't had any foundation issues while our neighbor had to repair his 3 times over the same period.
All I thought, when I saw the video, is the old ride "Its a Small World" Like those 40 year old animatronics that sing and try to open that damn prison. Don't get me wrong, its amazing he did this at all, especially for the budget. I am sure now that he knows what he is doing he could do it even at half the cost or less. While, at-least for me, its on the low end of the Uncanny valley, it just feels/sounds/looks so robotic for me to consider it even real.
Still, the 3D print of the rib-cage and pelvis was cool, even if that itself felt creepy:P
Seriously, I refresh the IP space evey week for China, Russa, Africa and starting to look at South America. I can say it helped immensely on the spam to my grandma even before it gets to spam assassin. If I have to virtually visit those county, it all goes though a vmware image though an anonymous internet vpn. It sounds insane till you get ping ddosed from a site you just visited:P
Yea same. I was in 2rd grade? My mother had me going to our church's school. It was very small, like 25 kids per grade and only kindergarten to 3th. Grades 1-3 were (kindergarten was in nap time I think) were in the TV room that had the big 29 inch floor TV that we watched PBS shows on. We watched it launch and explode. I still remember it today even though most of the rest of that school time there was a blur. Oh that and Halley's Comet. Funny how the only two things I really remember from those grades relate to space.
Honestly I don't remember how I felt about it, what everyone talked about, not even what I did that day. Just remembering it happen and where I was. Its like your mind marks that event not to be garbage collected even though it doesn't tag emotions or even who you were with at the time.
This is a symptom of a deep cultural problem, and I don't think either law or technology is going to fix it. At best, it'll just be another "law nobody knows about" that can be used for selective enforcement.
This need to post every microscopic facet of one's life to Facebook is rather sick, even under less tragic circumstances than a traffic accident. It's something that's badly broken about our narcissistic culture. It's bad enough when it's one's own private data, but when it involves some other human being who didn't agree, and in fact may have just suffered either the worst day of their life, or the last day of their life, it's even worse. It's a symptom of lack of empathy for other human beings.
The only way I see to fix this is long term and cultural, not short term and legal.
My grandfather recently told me this story. About 45 years ago he was saw an accident where the car hit something, flipped and had the occupant fly out, his head chopped off at the poll. He got out, picked up his 35mm camera and took a few shots. He came back to his car and drove off. This is not a "now" thing, People have been doing this since they have invented the camera. Hell, you see it in paintings from even before that. Any kind of long term solution means teaching everyone empathy. Considering the most exciting thing you can see when your in your teens is a dead guy and poking him with a stick, I doubt this will ever be solved.
I am not a hypocrite though, I asked if he still had the pictures but he said he didn't because a friend used his camera before him and removed the film. Hence his lessen, "Always make sure you have film in your camera"
If you RTFA you will find a link to a 2013 article about it: linky
I am sure there might of been a slashdot entry but alot of the eroctica section got nerfed. Then almost as soon as it happened it was back. Like almost no point to the whole thing. More likely not because of the outrage but because of the lawsuits on an undefined policy.
That's what the cloud fire guy is talking about. Companies arbitrarily deciding whats good or bad on their networks. He makes probery the best quote out of the whole thing:
"I'm somewhat skeptical of slippery slope arguments. But, if you ban books that depict sex with dinosaurs, it doesn't take much before you ban books." - CloudFlare CEO Matthew Prince
Everyone said the same thing about the original Voodoo 3D card. But after the Voodoo 2 came out, even graphic card venders were jumping on the bandwagon. Yea this is going to be expensive, but if its good enough to see the future thats coming, it will be enough to jump start VR even at that price point.
I was just thinking about SPARC the other day. My old boss runs this electronics junk shop. He is closing down this month forever but I saw him in the back, taking apart old Sparc 10's and Ultras and pulling out the addon cards to try to sell off eBay. Sad really. He should of done that 10 years ago when they were worth much more:P
Really depends on the electronics. I worked at an electronics junk shop for a few years and we had this big scrap bin for junk that we thought was scrap. I look in it one day and I see like 7 PDP8 Omnibus boards. Thing is I didn't know what they were, I just knew the electronics on them was dated in the late 70's. I am sure thats what happened here with the Apple 1.
But yea. Your right about the second hand pickers. Out here in east Texas, some of these collectors are just wierd:P But there must be some money in it with all the "antique stores" out here
Everyone says it can fit in the cache of a CPU but CAN it? It seems to load mostly in lower memory and stays there. Sure its footprint is non-existent but I have yet to see an OS that does this feet.
Be nice if it could though. Load directly from flash to the cpu to do memory checks and or dumps when the watchdog dies.
I always kept wondering why they bothered destroying the copy of themselves on the Enterprise. It seems to me it would be far more effective to keep the landing party as clones of yourself, let them do their job and say "oh well" if they got killed. And of course at the end of the mission, you TELL them you're beaming them back up but - are those phaser banks charged yet scotty?
Believe it or not nothing is destroyed. The original Star Trek people didn't want to push the moral boundary's of "Are we murdering people every time we use this thing?" All they wanted was something to move the plot so they made it turn your body into a stream of mater that reassembles at the target..
It makes some interesting mechanics and episodes. Of course they throw all this out the window when its convenient:P
The side channel communication was kind of cool though (Usenix!) But seems completely useless unless there is another application looking for it. Its a web script that has to run at-least a minute and even then the author states it only gets 50% of the cache lines. Its easier to do a code injection in one of the wonderful holes in un-patched XP computers out there than do this kind of mission impossible.
Looks there was an Indian boy who was using a blue tooth device sewn into his cap and an accomplice. It went undetected for a long time, and he qualified for the nationals as the top seed. Even he shows more "thinking" than "run-to-the-toilet-and-look-at-iPhone" grand master.
I remember hearing that story a few years back. Funny enough it was the awful pun that made it stick with me ( Indian Chess Player Plays With Deep Blue...Tooth - Techdirt:P) Here is the wiki as I loath Techdirt for their puns
I mean seriously. One of the strongest arguments for basic is that you don't need to teach someone functions to start a program. With the goto statement in Lua, you got that. At the very least, once the student knows lua and goes on to other things, it will be useful if he ever needs to use it as a scripting language.
It feels like some optimizations are in there because the compiler is trash. If you look at some early MIPS code a lot of gotos are used this way as well.. Not that I know why, just noticed these things.
You have this tablet, by pure specs doesn't look that much better than the newer atom tables coming out and the glorified auto app sorter for your android (Z Launcher)? When I worked for US Nokia as a lowly support, developers and managers were just screaming at Finland about trying something to innovate. If you didn't speak Finish, your opinion didn't matter.
To make matters worst, they thought they "won" when they released the N97 and just planned to make reversions off that thing. Sure it was good, but they just never paid attention to Google. Got laid off about 6 months after that.
So now that the non-compete clause is almost over they are trying again? I still think Stephen Elop was a Trojan horse. It doesn't help maters how he and his cronies got a sweet deal after the merger.
I know Nokia isn't "just a phone company". They have multiple divisions and a large part of Finland economy. But to just come out with an Android tablet, branded launcher all relying on Foxcom's support and build quality? I am not saying I know much about Foxcom, but it still feels kind of a big gamble right after you get burned badly from a market you dominated. What the hell are they thinking?
Here is another food for thought. Allot of people are talking about fancy "chrome books" or "iPads". Hell, someone even dug up UUCP from the grave as a remote communication solution, baring ssh connections might be scrubbed from the state. The big problem is that, while I can make an educated guess where your family is, I can honestly say it doesn't matter. Whatever solution your going to implement:
YOUR FAMILY IS GOING TO HAAAATTTTEEE IT.
Oh they won't say it to your face, they will just ask if they can keep the old computer "as a backup" and just use that once your gone. I know this. I know this from 10 years of experience of helping my grandma, her friends, her friends friends, and working at Unisys as a drive around tech for both enterprise and consumers. My american born Korean friend knows this as well and has tried hard to find similar solutions. At the end of the day, all people want to surf the web, go to links friends and family talk about, and emal/text. Computer literacy ONLY helps the safety of said activity's. When my grandma discovered her grand-kids were all on Facebook, she didn't care that she set up 3 accounts with different passwords, but I was able to strengthen that out by having chrome force sign her in one. My friends mom would constantly complain about the linux install because it wouldn't play flash properly, so he had to switch her back to XP. These are just a few examples I can mention, and you WILL get these calls.
Just remember, any "teaching" you do must be "with" them. Not "to" them. From their perspective, everything is working on their end. Their computer might be selling their information to the highest bidder and telling everyone how their penis can grow larger with one payment to the Nigerian, but they can still get pictures from family, they can still get messages. They can still see the latest football game scores.
Do the wifi idea. Hell do one better. Set up a small embedded system with a built in modem. They sell embedded boxes, but an old p4 with a modem should work. PFSense is something I would suggest. I forgot the package but there is a way to set it up to act as an email proxy. Have it drop all attachments that aren't images. It can even unpack zip files and check if its just images in those. Have it dial in daily keeping the email box clear. Just say it just checks your mail every day at 1am or such. Its like 4 am and I am half out of fuel and I am sure you have looked at some of these products. They will still get viruses as I don't think it will have the bandwidth to keep the updates up, but at-least you can have it track their surfing habitats and can block country's they have no reason to go to. Talking to you Russia and most of Africa:P
I hate to say it, but this is the best way for someone who is computer illiterate and doesn't use the computer much to care. You come in saying "just plug this between the computer and the modem to make the internet faster/safer" They don't feel alienated on the limited computer knowledge they learned and you can, they keep the computer/interface they are used too, and at the very least, have some control over the data going in and out.
Whatever you decide just ask yourself, "Does this improve their experience? If not, what would happen if they just chunk it and not tell you?"
As a side note, if it wasn't to much of an extreme luxury for the country its going to, I would recommend also an iPad for the interface. That single thing has introduced text messages, Facebook and god help me gaming to my grandma. If it wasn't for the large constant patches it needs and the very high chance it would get stolen, I would recommend it too.
My grandpa lives on the other side of Dallas, around Tulsa. The whole reason he spent more than 30k on getting a few wells down was because he couldn't trust the water from the lake.
"I don't know about you, but I spent 40 years dumping my trash (before it illegal dumping was enforced) , no way in hell I am drinking out of it!"
I know we are constantly out of water, but I still think we need to dredge the lakes more than once every 20 years.
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I am sure even non-techies think this is impressive. Each one of those modules for that computer would of had to be assembled and tested by hand. Even then this is no simple HACK computer. It has square root for christ sakes (even if it is a bit long in cycles). This thing is WAY over-engineered yet very pretty to look at.
I'd be interested to know how modeler it is. That is can you move the logic modules around to change the instructions with the way he has those cables connected. I always liked the idea of the DEC plug in modules. Where all you needed was a properly wired back-plane and poof, computer.
It's an interesting insight into Apple's view of the world. All music must be either ripped (and thus backed up) or bought from iTunes. Therefore, deleting it isn't an issue, you can now stream it and iTunes will re-download it if you have an iPod. There are no other use cases, all other workflows are incorrect. iTunes manages all your audio files, you shouldn't even be looking at them. You click play in iTunes, it plays (subject to internet connection, fees may apply), it works perfectly and in the most intuitive and revolutionary manner possible.
Fuck. I can't tell if your trolling, being sarcastic, explaining or being a fanboy. Excellent Post!
" If the evidence already exists (as encrypted data on the hard drive)" Ah, but it's NOT known to exist. The prosecution only suspects there's evidence on the hard drive, and they're fishing.
Thats the catch. In this case they have evidence from his sister that she saw child porn on his monitor. Its how they got the warrant. Its been stated better elsewhere in comments, but the police is in the good here. They tracked this guy for weeks, they KNOW he was using his computer this time at a child porn site. So yea, he was boned way before they got the hands on the drives. They raided the house specifically for these drives.
It be different if he was arrested for another charge and the procureruter wanted the hard drives decrypted to "find possable child porn" I honestly don't know why everyone is up and arms over this non issue:P
Its the reason why the NASA space ports are at Huston and Cape Canaveral. They are on the coast so when a rocket goes crazy, it can go crazy in the sea.
As for the dirt, yea. Even way inland, your looking at 4 to upwards of 8 meters till you reach bedrock and a lot of that filler is clay. You can't have basements here either, cause that clay will drain water into it daily.
My grandpa realized this 30 years ago when he built his home and spent an extra 30k drilling these 5 meter cement pillars for his home. He hasn't had any foundation issues while our neighbor had to repair his 3 times over the same period.
All I thought, when I saw the video, is the old ride "Its a Small World" Like those 40 year old animatronics that sing and try to open that damn prison. Don't get me wrong, its amazing he did this at all, especially for the budget. I am sure now that he knows what he is doing he could do it even at half the cost or less. While, at-least for me, its on the low end of the Uncanny valley, it just feels/sounds/looks so robotic for me to consider it even real.
Still, the 3D print of the rib-cage and pelvis was cool, even if that itself felt creepy:P
If your going though all the trouble of networking all the lights/TV's in the entire hotel, why not the door locks too?
Seriously, I refresh the IP space evey week for China, Russa, Africa and starting to look at South America. I can say it helped immensely on the spam to my grandma even before it gets to spam assassin. If I have to virtually visit those county, it all goes though a vmware image though an anonymous internet vpn. It sounds insane till you get ping ddosed from a site you just visited:P
Yea same. I was in 2rd grade? My mother had me going to our church's school. It was very small, like 25 kids per grade and only kindergarten to 3th. Grades 1-3 were (kindergarten was in nap time I think) were in the TV room that had the big 29 inch floor TV that we watched PBS shows on. We watched it launch and explode. I still remember it today even though most of the rest of that school time there was a blur. Oh that and Halley's Comet. Funny how the only two things I really remember from those grades relate to space.
Honestly I don't remember how I felt about it, what everyone talked about, not even what I did that day. Just remembering it happen and where I was. Its like your mind marks that event not to be garbage collected even though it doesn't tag emotions or even who you were with at the time.
This is a symptom of a deep cultural problem, and I don't think either law or technology is going to fix it. At best, it'll just be another "law nobody knows about" that can be used for selective enforcement.
This need to post every microscopic facet of one's life to Facebook is rather sick, even under less tragic circumstances than a traffic accident. It's something that's badly broken about our narcissistic culture. It's bad enough when it's one's own private data, but when it involves some other human being who didn't agree, and in fact may have just suffered either the worst day of their life, or the last day of their life, it's even worse. It's a symptom of lack of empathy for other human beings.
The only way I see to fix this is long term and cultural, not short term and legal.
My grandfather recently told me this story. About 45 years ago he was saw an accident where the car hit something, flipped and had the occupant fly out, his head chopped off at the poll. He got out, picked up his 35mm camera and took a few shots. He came back to his car and drove off. This is not a "now" thing, People have been doing this since they have invented the camera. Hell, you see it in paintings from even before that. Any kind of long term solution means teaching everyone empathy. Considering the most exciting thing you can see when your in your teens is a dead guy and poking him with a stick, I doubt this will ever be solved.
I am not a hypocrite though, I asked if he still had the pictures but he said he didn't because a friend used his camera before him and removed the film. Hence his lessen, "Always make sure you have film in your camera"
NO! I demand to be able to decompress these files in my PDP8 with OS/8! I demand it to be .BO!
If you RTFA you will find a link to a 2013 article about it: linky
I am sure there might of been a slashdot entry but alot of the eroctica section got nerfed. Then almost as soon as it happened it was back. Like almost no point to the whole thing. More likely not because of the outrage but because of the lawsuits on an undefined policy.
That's what the cloud fire guy is talking about. Companies arbitrarily deciding whats good or bad on their networks. He makes probery the best quote out of the whole thing:
"I'm somewhat skeptical of slippery slope arguments. But, if you ban books that depict sex with dinosaurs, it doesn't take much before you ban books." - CloudFlare CEO Matthew Prince
Everyone said the same thing about the original Voodoo 3D card. But after the Voodoo 2 came out, even graphic card venders were jumping on the bandwagon. Yea this is going to be expensive, but if its good enough to see the future thats coming, it will be enough to jump start VR even at that price point.
I was just thinking about SPARC the other day. My old boss runs this electronics junk shop. He is closing down this month forever but I saw him in the back, taking apart old Sparc 10's and Ultras and pulling out the addon cards to try to sell off eBay. Sad really. He should of done that 10 years ago when they were worth much more:P
They can go work for EA :)
out of the frying pan..
...into the Battlefield 5?
Really depends on the electronics. I worked at an electronics junk shop for a few years and we had this big scrap bin for junk that we thought was scrap. I look in it one day and I see like 7 PDP8 Omnibus boards. Thing is I didn't know what they were, I just knew the electronics on them was dated in the late 70's. I am sure thats what happened here with the Apple 1.
But yea. Your right about the second hand pickers. Out here in east Texas, some of these collectors are just wierd:P But there must be some money in it with all the "antique stores" out here
Everyone says it can fit in the cache of a CPU but CAN it? It seems to load mostly in lower memory and stays there. Sure its footprint is non-existent but I have yet to see an OS that does this feet.
Be nice if it could though. Load directly from flash to the cpu to do memory checks and or dumps when the watchdog dies.
I always kept wondering why they bothered destroying the copy of themselves on the Enterprise. It seems to me it would be far more effective to keep the landing party as clones of yourself, let them do their job and say "oh well" if they got killed. And of course at the end of the mission, you TELL them you're beaming them back up but - are those phaser banks charged yet scotty?
Believe it or not nothing is destroyed. The original Star Trek people didn't want to push the moral boundary's of "Are we murdering people every time we use this thing?" All they wanted was something to move the plot so they made it turn your body into a stream of mater that reassembles at the target. .
It makes some interesting mechanics and episodes. Of course they throw all this out the window when its convenient :P
The side channel communication was kind of cool though (Usenix!) But seems completely useless unless there is another application looking for it. Its a web script that has to run at-least a minute and even then the author states it only gets 50% of the cache lines. Its easier to do a code injection in one of the wonderful holes in un-patched XP computers out there than do this kind of mission impossible.
Looks there was an Indian boy who was using a blue tooth device sewn into his cap and an accomplice. It went undetected for a long time, and he qualified for the nationals as the top seed. Even he shows more "thinking" than "run-to-the-toilet-and-look-at-iPhone" grand master.
I remember hearing that story a few years back. Funny enough it was the awful pun that made it stick with me ( Indian Chess Player Plays With Deep Blue...Tooth - Techdirt:P) Here is the wiki as I loath Techdirt for their puns
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Umakant_Sharma
Hey! It looks like his Chess ban is up next year, damn 10 years makes me feel old:P
Sheriff warned that other teenagers caught doing the same thing will "face the same consequences
I mean seriously. One of the strongest arguments for basic is that you don't need to teach someone functions to start a program. With the goto statement in Lua, you got that. At the very least, once the student knows lua and goes on to other things, it will be useful if he ever needs to use it as a scripting language.
It feels like some optimizations are in there because the compiler is trash. If you look at some early MIPS code a lot of gotos are used this way as well.. Not that I know why, just noticed these things.
You have this tablet, by pure specs doesn't look that much better than the newer atom tables coming out and the glorified auto app sorter for your android (Z Launcher)? When I worked for US Nokia as a lowly support, developers and managers were just screaming at Finland about trying something to innovate. If you didn't speak Finish, your opinion didn't matter.
To make matters worst, they thought they "won" when they released the N97 and just planned to make reversions off that thing. Sure it was good, but they just never paid attention to Google. Got laid off about 6 months after that.
So now that the non-compete clause is almost over they are trying again? I still think Stephen Elop was a Trojan horse. It doesn't help maters how he and his cronies got a sweet deal after the merger.
I know Nokia isn't "just a phone company". They have multiple divisions and a large part of Finland economy. But to just come out with an Android tablet, branded launcher all relying on Foxcom's support and build quality? I am not saying I know much about Foxcom, but it still feels kind of a big gamble right after you get burned badly from a market you dominated. What the hell are they thinking?
Here is another food for thought. Allot of people are talking about fancy "chrome books" or "iPads". Hell, someone even dug up UUCP from the grave as a remote communication solution, baring ssh connections might be scrubbed from the state. The big problem is that, while I can make an educated guess where your family is, I can honestly say it doesn't matter. Whatever solution your going to implement:
YOUR FAMILY IS GOING TO HAAAATTTTEEE IT.
Oh they won't say it to your face, they will just ask if they can keep the old computer "as a backup" and just use that once your gone. I know this. I know this from 10 years of experience of helping my grandma, her friends, her friends friends, and working at Unisys as a drive around tech for both enterprise and consumers. My american born Korean friend knows this as well and has tried hard to find similar solutions. At the end of the day, all people want to surf the web, go to links friends and family talk about, and emal/text. Computer literacy ONLY helps the safety of said activity's. When my grandma discovered her grand-kids were all on Facebook, she didn't care that she set up 3 accounts with different passwords, but I was able to strengthen that out by having chrome force sign her in one. My friends mom would constantly complain about the linux install because it wouldn't play flash properly, so he had to switch her back to XP. These are just a few examples I can mention, and you WILL get these calls.
Just remember, any "teaching" you do must be "with" them. Not "to" them. From their perspective, everything is working on their end. Their computer might be selling their information to the highest bidder and telling everyone how their penis can grow larger with one payment to the Nigerian, but they can still get pictures from family, they can still get messages. They can still see the latest football game scores.
Do the wifi idea. Hell do one better. Set up a small embedded system with a built in modem. They sell embedded boxes, but an old p4 with a modem should work. PFSense is something I would suggest. I forgot the package but there is a way to set it up to act as an email proxy. Have it drop all attachments that aren't images. It can even unpack zip files and check if its just images in those. Have it dial in daily keeping the email box clear. Just say it just checks your mail every day at 1am or such. Its like 4 am and I am half out of fuel and I am sure you have looked at some of these products. They will still get viruses as I don't think it will have the bandwidth to keep the updates up, but at-least you can have it track their surfing habitats and can block country's they have no reason to go to. Talking to you Russia and most of Africa:P
I hate to say it, but this is the best way for someone who is computer illiterate and doesn't use the computer much to care. You come in saying "just plug this between the computer and the modem to make the internet faster/safer" They don't feel alienated on the limited computer knowledge they learned and you can, they keep the computer/interface they are used too, and at the very least, have some control over the data going in and out.
Whatever you decide just ask yourself, "Does this improve their experience? If not, what would happen if they just chunk it and not tell you?"
As a side note, if it wasn't to much of an extreme luxury for the country its going to, I would recommend also an iPad for the interface. That single thing has introduced text messages, Facebook and god help me gaming to my grandma. If it wasn't for the large constant patches it needs and the very high chance it would get stolen, I would recommend it too.
My grandpa lives on the other side of Dallas, around Tulsa. The whole reason he spent more than 30k on getting a few wells down was because he couldn't trust the water from the lake. "I don't know about you, but I spent 40 years dumping my trash (before it illegal dumping was enforced) , no way in hell I am drinking out of it!" I know we are constantly out of water, but I still think we need to dredge the lakes more than once every 20 years.
Ugh I meant Tyler. Don't know why I said Tulsa:P