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Florida Teen Charged With Felony Hacking For Changing Desktop Wallpaper

colinneagle writes: A 14-year-old middle school student in Holiday, Florida, was arrested this week and charged with "an offense against a computer system and unauthorized access," which is a felony. The student reportedly used an administrator password to log into a teacher's computer and change the background image to a photo of two men kissing.

The student also revealed his secrets after he was caught – the password was the teacher's last name, and the teacher had typed it in in full view of the students. The student said many other students used these administrators' passwords (their teachers' last names) so they can screen-share and video chat with other students. The student was briefly held in a nearby detention center, and the county Sheriff warned that other teenagers caught doing the same thing will "face the same consequences."

629 comments

  1. Must example set of him by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    Twart future terrorists in their tracks must.

    1. Re: Must example set of him by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Justice system is retarded.

    2. Re:Must example set of him by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Especially because he put GAY GUYS on the computer, the horrors. If he had changed the wallpaper to a cat picture this would not have happened I guarantee it.

    3. Re: Must example set of him by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      One less script kiddie in the jean pool, don't, does, the, crime, if- ya- can't- does- tha- cRiME!!!*

    4. Re:Must example set of him by Darrin+Ward+PR · · Score: 0

      man, if law enforcement ever looked at the stuff i do, i'd be locked up. thankfully they waste their time on children.

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    5. Re: Must example set of him by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Someone capable of right-clicking the desktop and selecting the "change background" option is now what you consider a "script kiddie"?

      You must think that grandmothers that use Facebook are "1337 hax0rs." You might consider removing yourself from the "jean pool" (whatever the fuck that is).

    6. Re:Must example set of him by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Informative

      If you mean the teacher, then I whole heartedly agree. We must make an example of the moronic teacher that used their password (and a galacticly stupid one at that) in front of the class.

      The only person at fault is the teacher.

      Kids will be kids - it was better to change a wallpaper to "show the teacher the error of their ways" than to bully some poor dumb jock.

    7. Re: Must example set of him by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So how does changing a wall paper (which could easlily be switched back) equate to FELONY which is supposed to mean "serious crime", right up there with murder, rape, bank robery, kid napping, and a number of others.

    8. Re: Must example set of him by weilawei · · Score: 5, Funny

      Retarded, justice system is. For you that fixed.

    9. Re: Must example set of him by khelms · · Score: 2

      There you go trying to inject common sense into the law!

    10. Re:Must example set of him by The-Ixian · · Score: 1

      A man must be gay to kiss another man?

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    11. Re: Must example set of him by MitchDev · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Because a 14 year old that did the equivalent or pray-painting graffiti is a much safer "collar" that stopping real criminals out on the street....
      THe story is another example of why America is a laughing-stock...

    12. Re: Must example set of him by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I see Florida's representatives are making themselves known...

    13. Re:Must example set of him by Wain13001 · · Score: 1

      in most parts of 'murica? yeah, unfortunately this is so.

    14. Re:Must example set of him by Sarius64 · · Score: 1

      So he could have put anything in the person's computer and you'd be fine with that? How about if he SWATs the teacher?

    15. Re:Must example set of him by Sarius64 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Personally I think the kid did him a favor. If someone with ill intent had the password I'm thinking a lot more problems than wallpaper changes could have occurred. It is definitely the teacher's fault that this happened.

    16. Re:Must example set of him by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's a student playing a prank on a teacher, so yeah, you're probably looking at something along the lines of Mr. Garrison and Mr. Slave.

    17. Re: Must example set of him by tompaulco · · Score: 3, Insightful

      So how does changing a wall paper (which could easlily be switched back) equate to FELONY which is supposed to mean "serious crime", right up there with murder, rape, bank robery, kid napping, and a number of others.

      It doesn't, but that was not the crime. That was one of the byproducts of the crime. The crime was hacking into the computer. Even if you know the password, if you the authorized user for the account used, then that is hacking. If you don't like the law, there are two things you can do. Either 1. Don't break the law. or 2. Appeal to your congresscritter to get the law changed.
      That being said, changing desktop wallpaper or other configuration on someone else's computer is extremely rude and not befitting of a member of society.

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    18. Re: Must example set of him by TwoEyedJack · · Score: 1

      IMHO exposing children to such moronic supervision borders on child abuse. Your government at work.

    19. Re:Must example set of him by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Hi, we'd like to task one FBI Surveillance Van to monitor your activities, but before we send it up the chain, we'd like to have a brief summary of the "stuff [you] do". Help a fella out?

    20. Re:Must example set of him by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You're clearly not from the USA. MURICA!!!

    21. Re: Must example set of him by C0R1D4N · · Score: 5, Informative

      In the defense of our continent sized nation, Florida is the laughing stock of America.

    22. Re: Must example set of him by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

      How old are you? There's this thing called "perspective" that gets applied to crimes... usually. See, if we put everything through your black/white strainer, then the toddler who takes an extra candy at the teller window is effectively committing bank robbery. Do you understand how absurd that is, or would you like to stick to your guns and start putting toddlers in prison?

    23. Re:Must example set of him by g0bshiTe · · Score: 1

      If I were him it would be an option.

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    24. Re: Must example set of him by g0bshiTe · · Score: 1

      Personally I give this kid more credit than calling him a script kiddie, at least he did it the old fashioned way!

      Bravo next-gen hacker. Even if it was just changing the wall paper, isn't that what hacking used to be about? Harmless non-malicious antics on a system because you could.

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    25. Re: Must example set of him by war4peace · · Score: 4, Interesting

      The amount of times I played similar pranks on lesser knowledgeable students while in college should have put me behind bars for 3 life sentences.
      Yet, I have grown to be a responsible family man.
      Maybe if i would have been put in jail for such things i would have been a hardened criminal by now.

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    26. Re: Must example set of him by g0bshiTe · · Score: 1

      I live in America as well and I know those I've had dealings with a majority are not worth defending for anything.

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    27. Re: Must example set of him by g0bshiTe · · Score: 1

      My government wouldn't do that, my government would run the fucking country to the betterment of it's people vs it's corporate interests.

      There is a difference between a government for the people and the piece of shit we are stuck with. Note by piece of shit I'm referring to every worthless bastard in office right now, each and every one of them.

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    28. Re:Must example set of him by bhv · · Score: 1

      you keep your sticky lips to yourself, bud!

    29. Re: Must example set of him by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Justice system is retarded.

      This kid's parents aren't too bright either. Parents have a responsibility to ensure that their kids understand their legal and constitutional rights. I have a teenage daughter, and I have taught her that if she is questioned by the police, she should say exactly four words:
      1. I
      2. want
      3. my
      4. parents.
      Then she should say NOTHING else, until I am there. The police have no right to interrogate a kid without a parent or guardian present. I also made sure my kids watched this video: Never talk to the police. The kid is TFA is in trouble because he mouthed off, and made the authorities look stupid.

    30. Re: Must example set of him by kilfarsnar · · Score: 1

      If you don't like the law, there are two things you can do. Either 1. Don't break the law. or 2. Appeal to your congresscritter to get the law changed. That being said, changing desktop wallpaper or other configuration on someone else's computer is extremely rude and not befitting of a member of society.

      Meh, I'm going to go with option 3; breaking the law and doing my best not to get caught. Insert Judas Priest song here.

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    31. Re:Must example set of him by farble1670 · · Score: 1

      Especially because he put GAY GUYS on the computer, the horrors. If he had changed the wallpaper to a cat picture this would not have happened I guarantee it.

      when you are 14, that's the pinnacle of humor.

      anyway, good job trying to turn this into an issue of sexism. if you read into this that homosexuality had anything to do with it, you are the one with the problem.

    32. Re:Must example set of him by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes, because homosexuality is completely normal and natural. The TV told you. Idiot.

    33. Re:Must example set of him by Aighearach · · Score: 0

      You've got some derp on your chin. Don't forget to wipe next time. Get back in the pile.

    34. Re:Must example set of him by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      English motherfucker, do you speak it?!

    35. Re:Must example set of him by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So he could have put anything in the person's computer and you'd be fine with that? How about if he SWATs the teacher?

      1) Um, SWATing != changing a background.
      2) Why do you assume I would be ok with anything? I'm just pointing out that some images are more likely to provoke an over-reaction than others. I never said anything about which images I would personally over-react to.

    36. Re:Must example set of him by aaaaaaargh! · · Score: 1

      He's damn right that this wouldn't have happened with cat pictures, though...

    37. Re:Must example set of him by operagost · · Score: 1

      Umm... I disagree to the extent that a cat picture might have been considered odd, but not alarming. I could imagine other things that would caught someone's attention.

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    38. Re:Must example set of him by Kiaser+Zohsay · · Score: 1

      My high school English teacher was Mr Garrison. I never met Mr. Slave.

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    39. Re: Must example set of him by operagost · · Score: 2

      The UK's cities have video cameras on every street corner, Australia wants to heavily regulate 3D printers in case someone decides to make a plastic gun, China DOSes web sites it doesn't like, ISIS is slaughtering Christians and Jews wherever it finds them, and the USA is a laughing stock?

      Your perspective is dysfunctional, to say the least.

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    40. Re: Must example set of him by sabri · · Score: 1

      This kid's parents aren't too bright either

      I agree, but for a different reason.

      I would have threatened to sue the school for the lack of proper information security. If teachers are allowed to use their last name as their password and type it out in front of students then something is severely wrong and it has to be assumed that a data breach has already happened undetected.

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    41. Re: Must example set of him by mrchaotica · · Score: 1

      Moral relativism is not a valid counter-argument.

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    42. Re:Must example set of him by operagost · · Score: 2

      OK, I don't get it. American culture is defective because straight men don't kiss other men? I'm having trouble keeping up.

      Wait, no-- you're just an idiot. Had me going there for a minute.

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    43. Re:Must example set of him by nwaack · · Score: 2

      Don't turn this into some kind of homophobia thing. You're just stirring a pot that doesn't need any more stirring.

    44. Re: Must example set of him by amber_of_luxor · · Score: 1

      I really wish I remember the legal citation for the case where the perp read the password on a Post-It note on the monitor.
      Perp went to jail for breaking and entering.
      Was not guily of unauthorized access to the computer system.

      There are several other court cases where the rule is that if the password is known, then the access is authorized, regardless of how the perp came to know the password.

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    45. Re: Must example set of him by operagost · · Score: 1

      The very statement "laughing stock" is a comparative one, so I was answering that fallacious statement. Obviously, felony charges for changing desktop wallpaper is absurd, and so are the other items I mentioned.

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    46. Re:Must example set of him by sconeu · · Score: 1

      I'm not your bud, guy!

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    47. Re: Must example set of him by oh_my_080980980 · · Score: 1

      Do you understand the law Potsy. That's what matters. You don't like it, then change the law. Don't go crying because the cop did their job. What the kid did also amounts to cyber bullying. Feel lucky he wasn't charged with that.

    48. Re:Must example set of him by Cito · · Score: 0, Troll

      Yes and its disgusting

      Unless you are a sjw political correctness shill

    49. Re: Must example set of him by oh_my_080980980 · · Score: 1

      Maybe the kid shouldn't have hacked into the teachers computer - you know - which is breaking the law. Idiot.

    50. Re:Must example set of him by oh_my_080980980 · · Score: 0

      You feel sorry for some snot nosed kid. Really? Wow someone needs a life.

    51. Re:Must example set of him by OmegaWolf747 · · Score: 1

      Twart future terrorists in their tracks must.

      I believe this is way more the system's fault than the students'. Why were they using such easily guessed passwords? The first rule of thumb is never to use an actual word or name as a password. Beyond that, why are the police even involved in this matter. Give the kid a detention and revoke his computer privileges for a while. There's simply no need to cuff a kid and lock them up for changing a computer wallpaper.

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    52. Re:Must example set of him by Quasimodem · · Score: 1

      Not in the Mafia, but that has undesired consequences, too.

    53. Re: Must example set of him by mysidia · · Score: 3, Informative

      The law is screwed up. This isn't hacking. Hacking is when someone intrudes into a properly secured computer system containing high-valued data and conducts ransom, espionage, theft, damage in a large amount, such as stealing SSNs, identity theft, or intellectual property on which a business is based.

      This is the equivalent of the teacher leaving the grade book unattended on his table instead of locking it in the desk and exits the room for a moment, and a student sneaks over to it and pencils in a lewd picture on the cover.

      The kid is deserving of detention, and possibly suspension for petty vandalism, especially if there's an ongoing discipline issue.

      No friggin' jail time or criminal charges for ordinary childish behavior.

      If there's a crime; it should be misdemeanor for disorderly conduct in posting sexually explicit photos.

    54. Re: Must example set of him by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Coulda used the IP phone connected to every teachers' classroom computer since the 90's.

    55. Re:Must example set of him by mysidia · · Score: 1

      So they're discriminating against the student and choosing to file criminal charges because of his sexual orientation, whereas a heterosexual posting a cat picture as wallpaper would not have been charged?

    56. Re: Must example set of him by hackwrench · · Score: 1

      Just what do you think a cop's job is?

    57. Re: Must example set of him by Quasimodem · · Score: 1
      If you are sending in your official removal notification, that would be the Eugene Pool.

      .

      Also, too, one double click to change the smooching homos to a JPEG of the Straits of Magellan, for example, would have taken 3/5ths of a second, instead of indulging oneself in these bloody histrionics. Tell me true, the teacher also was the school drama coach, am I right?

    58. Re:Must example set of him by Quasimodem · · Score: 1

      The least the teacher could have done was use his birthday. Then perhaps his students' math skills would have been challenged.

    59. Re: Must example set of him by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Adults should keep the exact same strategy in mind, with one minor substitution. Replace parents with lawyer.

    60. Re:Must example set of him by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Why do you assume that they are gay?

      Next you're going to tell me that Mark Hamill and Carrie Fischer are really brother and sister, and Harrison Ford is a professor.

    61. Re: Must example set of him by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes it is. If you ever hope to solve some of the problems in the world you will need some way ranking which ones get tackled first. Or you can just blame all the problems in the world on the US and be confident that if you can get everyone to agree with you the problems will magically disappear.

    62. Re: Must example set of him by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      He is not a scwartzer like Trayvon Brown was?

    63. Re: Must example set of him by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Because Florida is America's wang.

    64. Re:Must example set of him by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Wul, pucker up, but, if you use your tongue, I'm gonna knock your faggot teeth out!

    65. Re: Must example set of him by CaptainDork · · Score: 1

      Bullshit.

      Texas won that back when Perry was elected.

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    66. Re:Must example set of him by Livius · · Score: 1

      Of course he would have been charged (because they can), but the media wouldn't have cared as much.

    67. Re:Must example set of him by flyneye · · Score: 1

      MMMM, oh the memories...
      The teacher with the Phat ass, that I just couldn't resist smacking. Then the wink and smile I got instead of the trouble I expected.
      But then, I didn't change anyones wallpaper to a gross-out shot.

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    68. Re: Must example set of him by CaptainDork · · Score: 1

      This is /., where we have, "news for nerds," and stuff.

      Nerds know full well that accessing any computer system without permission is a felony.

      Now, you can hang Christmas ornaments on that statement or paint it shit-brindle brown, but it doesn't change the simple fact that accessing any computer system without permission is a felony.

      So it is written, so let it be done.

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    69. Re:Must example set of him by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Why just America? Does 2 people kissing each other mean something entirely different to the rest of the world?

    70. Re: Must example set of him by Agripa · · Score: 1

      Stopping real criminals is a good way to get shot. Collaring 14 year old students is much safer.

    71. Re: Must example set of him by Agripa · · Score: 1

      If it is the only way to fix the law? Yes, put those toddlers in prison.

    72. Re: Must example set of him by Livius · · Score: 1

      the USA is a laughing stock?

      Yes. One among many.

      Americans can't seem to imagine any situation where they're not special.

    73. Re:Must example set of him by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      When I was i middle school I figured out how to access all the teacher accounts and could change grades. What did I do, I called a teacher over and made them watch me change my grade. What did the school do; They fixed the problem. My punishment? Please don't do that again.

    74. Re: Must example set of him by BarbaraHudson · · Score: 1

      Is there anyone here who has never changed someone else's wallpaper at work? There are pictures out there that are a lot grosser than 2 guys kissing or the goat guy.

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    75. Re:Must example set of him by modmans2ndcoming · · Score: 1

      Not the "SWAT" he was talking about.

    76. Re:Must example set of him by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes. In many places, it is a customary greeting and/or farewell. After moving to Europe, I've been kissed on the cheeks more times than I can remember by both women and men.

    77. Re: Must example set of him by Mr.+Slippery · · Score: 1

      You don't like it, then change the law. Don't go crying because the cop did their job.

      In a sane society, it is the job of a cop to use the law as a tool to keep the peace and protect people's rights, not to enforce every minor idiotic whim of those mentally and morally twisted enough to secure for themselves a place in the legislature. Separation of powers has a purpose.

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    78. Re: Must example set of him by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I guess we should feel lucky the cop didn't put eight warning shots in the kid's back, too, eh boot licker?

    79. Re: Must example set of him by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Then everyone here is a felon, because I guarantee that none of us obtained written permission from /. to access these servers prior to viewing, and never mind changing, the data hosted on them. Do we now go into ex ante legal theory as it applies to service providers, or can we just agree that the law isn't as cut and dried as you're trying to make it out to be?

    80. Re: Must example set of him by ATMAvatar · · Score: 1

      This is the equivalent of the teacher leaving the grade book unattended on his table instead of locking it in the desk and exits the room for a moment, and a student sneaks over to it and pencils in a lewd picture on the cover.

      Actually, there's a better analogy I can think of. The teacher leaves a spare key under the doormat of their home, tells the entire class about it, and then one (or more) of the kids gets the idea to place a lewd poster or life-size cut-out just inside the entrance, so the teacher will see it upon opening the front door.

      It's still stupid for the teacher to do so, but the kids are also still trespassing on the teacher's property.

      Now, when I was growing up, doing either would have gotten you suspended. A felony charge is a bit excessive for a harmless prank done by a stupid kid.

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    81. Re:Must example set of him by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm not your guy, friend

    82. Re: Must example set of him by reve_etrange · · Score: 1

      changing desktop wallpaper [is] not befitting of a member of society

      Jeeze, I bet you're the life of the party.

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    83. Re: Must example set of him by reve_etrange · · Score: 1

      Maybe the kid shouldn't have hacked into the teachers computer

      Ah, you're one of those types who equate accessing a contextual menu with hacking. Sorry, but your nerd card has been revoked.

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    84. Re: Must example set of him by reve_etrange · · Score: 1

      The UK's cities have video cameras on every street corner, Australia wants to heavily regulate 3D printers in case someone decides to make a plastic gun, China DOSes web sites it doesn't like, ISIS is slaughtering Christians and Jews wherever it finds them, and the USA is a laughing stock because of its morally defunct justice system.

      FTFY.

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    85. Re: Must example set of him by Culture20 · · Score: 1

      Note the summary says "teachers' last names", so even worse, these might be the default passwords assigned to them by the sysadmin.

    86. Re: Must example set of him by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Yes, I am quite sure a teenage prankster is changing the picture to two men greeting each other.

    87. Re: Must example set of him by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Ummm may I remind you of a much larger country sitting just north of the Excited States? It's called Canada and it occupies a much larger proportion of a continent than the ES.

      Thank you and continue with whatever you are doing...

      AC

    88. Re:Must example set of him by Bing+Tsher+E · · Score: 1

      Well, it's an issue of sensitivity. The teachers are clearly at fault for the kid not having learned that it's all perfectly alright for two men to kiss. The school system must be promoting homophobia or something. Fetch the banners!

    89. Re:Must example set of him by Bing+Tsher+E · · Score: 0

      On the contrary. We must stamp out homophobia wherever it manifests itself.

    90. Re: Must example set of him by Bing+Tsher+E · · Score: 1

      Don't trivialize a serious issue. People in Australia have actually BEEN CAUGHT making plastic gun parts! It's no laughing matter at all!

    91. Re: Must example set of him by Bing+Tsher+E · · Score: 1

      The fourth option is to break the law and try to get caught. When you're about to be cuffed up and moved to the van, you sing 'We shall not be moved.' Your buddy Vern sings the 'just like constipation' verse though, and ruins the song.

    92. Re: Must example set of him by Bing+Tsher+E · · Score: 1

      Where I work, they recently decided that the entire enterprise should load a central wallpaper referenced as a bitmap stored in a server folder.

      The stakes are higher, but the payoff is also higher.

    93. Re: Must example set of him by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You misspelled California.

    94. Re: Must example set of him by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Um, your definition of hacking might be what people who actually have some experience with computers think it is, but we are talking about people who barely can use computers for work, let along pleasure. They have no concept of what computers can do, or how complex or easy it is to do it. This type of thing is what you get when you have people who literally have no idea what they are doing making and enforcing laws.

    95. Re: Must example set of him by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Have you seen the picture or are you guessing?

    96. Re:Must example set of him by LinuxIsGarbage · · Score: 1

      Growing up in Middle school I remember creating a QBASIC program that was a full screen BSOD with a fake virus warning. I put it on a floppy (used an AOL floppy naturally) and loaded it in the autoexec.bat of various Win9x machines on display at Radio Shack, and Best Buy. This fake BSOD would pop up before Windows actually loaded. It was hilarious to watch the paid employees, at least 10+ years older than me, struggle with basic computer troubleshooting while we ate our ice cream at the food court across the way.

      In High school I remember we could just disconnect the Ethernet, hit "Cancel" on the login prompt for Windows 98, and it would log in anyways, then plug in the cable to restore Internet access.

      In university they had a pay credit system on the printers. I remember realizing that I could print to file (.PRN), then use netcat to send the file to the IP of the printer and bypass the print credit system. I created a BAT file to automate this (so I could select what printer in what computer lab). Once word of this got around, I started sending threatening messages to the LCD display on the printer "Print Theft detected, IT notified" to try and scare people off.

      As a grown adult, when IT erroneously locks out users, on several occasions, I've pulled the Ethernet cord, logged in using the last known credentials for the user, then plugged in the Ethernet to restore Email, Internet, and local access.

    97. Re: Must example set of him by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "continent sized nation"?

      Largest North American Countries: (by land area)
      Canada: 9,984,670 sq km
      United States: 9,826,630 sq km
      Mexico: 1,923,040 sq km

      Unless you were meaning to compare the the size of US with the size of Australia, which is the only true "continent sized nation".

    98. Re: Must example set of him by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I bet you also are a registered sex offender.

    99. Re: Must example set of him by penguinoid · · Score: 1

      The crime was hacking into the computer.

      No, the crime was annoying his teacher by promoting gays. Hacking into the computer is merely the legal justification for arresting him. If the crime was actually hacking into the computer via the teacher's incredibly insecure password, then every other kid that got caught doing anything which required admin privileges would have likewise been arrested.

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    100. Re:Must example set of him by thegarbz · · Score: 1

      It is definitely the teacher's fault that this happened.

      It's my fault if someone steals my car when I leave it on the road unlocked with the keys in the ignition?

      No.

      People need to respect property boundaries. Blaming the victim when someone tampered with their gear is quite asinine, and the only difference between this action here and the gang rape / murder of that Indian girl who should have "known better than to be out after 9pm" is the magnitude of the crime.

      Do you always blame the victim or is this a special circumstance because it involves a computer?

    101. Re: Must example set of him by coolsnowmen · · Score: 1

      I'm not sure what you are trying to say. But it seems to me that operagost is making a moral absolutist argument. Saying American isn't doing these [worse] things that these other countries are doing which he considers worse, and so is not the laughing stock of the world.

    102. Re: Must example set of him by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No. This is the equivalent if locking the grade book away when the student knows where the key is. It's the changing of the grade that is wrong not the finding of the key.

      He wasn't charged with hacking. The charge was unauthorized access. Just by virtue of the fact he waited until Noone was looking shows even he knew it was unauthorized.

    103. Re: Must example set of him by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      changing a few pixels every few days would be a cruel thing

    104. Re:Must example set of him by Tablizer · · Score: 1

      Gay cats? What's the Interwebs coming to?

    105. Re: Must example set of him by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      It's a tough choice really.

      I've cooperated with cops before and I have never been arrested. Some of those times I cooperated the cops gave me field sobriety tests which are basically "let us gather more evidence against you" tests.

      You know you're in trouble when they start asking you to follow their pen with your eyes, but you're already in compliance mode. You saw their lights come on, you pulled over in accordance with what the law tells you to do - I mean if you didn't go completely batshit crazy and try to run from the cops. That's a very bad idea and one that will almost certainly land you in jail with lots of other charges filed against you if you even survive.

      Then you know you're REALLY in trouble when they ask you to step out of the car. I think this usually means they intend to arrest you, although I've been asked to step out of my car at least twice and have never been arrested. At what point am I supposed to ask for a lawyer?

      I went along with their song and dance. I did the field sobriety tests. One time I was sure I was going to be arrested. I even had cocaine in my car.. I just knew I was fucked. They asked me to get out of the car. They asked me to walk a straight line and count backwards from 100 and all that shit and I guess I did okay.

      They told me to get back in my car and wait, which I did. Should I have called my lawyer then? Difficulty: This was before cell phones were common and I didn't have one.

      After what seemed like an eternity they came back and told me to step out of my car again. I was really expecting them to arrest me, but instead they looked me right in the eye and said "If we took you downtown right now, you'd probably blow right on the line" and they said some other stuff, wrote me a few tickets and let me go.

      I can only imagine how that might have gone in I had started begging for a lawyer when they first asked me to step out of my car.

      From the very start of my encounter with those cops, I was respectful and cooperative. I didn't give them any shit and I complied with every demand and answered every question they asked. I even think part of what led them to give me a break on the DUI was that I was honest enough to tell them that I hadn't updated my address on my driver's license (which they did give me a ticket for in addition to the other tickets). You'd have to ask them to be sure, but I got the feeling that they really didn't want to fuck my life up too much by arresting me especially since I wasn't being an asshole and I'm sure it didn't hurt that I didn't have a criminal record already and I was white and I had a valid license and insurance.

      At what point do you start demanding a lawyer? I'd say when the handcuffs come out, but even in that case I just described I was SURE I was going to be arrested and by cooperating with the cops (which might have influenced them to let me go) I was only giving them evidence against me.

      It's sort of a game. The way to win is to not deal with cops at all, but if you do have to deal with them taking an adversarial approach and trying to use a lawyer as a barrier between you and them is only going to make them look at you harder.

      I will concede though that if you're really guilty of something serious you'd better get that lawyer between you and the cops.

    106. Re: Must example set of him by Uberbah · · Score: 1

      Discretion. Google it.

      Don't go crying because the cop did their job.

      You'll do more than that if you got picked up for one of the three-felonies-a-day the average person "commits" just going about their day.

      Authoritarian tools....

    107. Re:Must example set of him by sumdumass · · Score: 1

      Really? Why?

      And define homophobia. I don't think a fear of homos (humam) is what you mean.

    108. Re: Must example set of him by CryoKeen · · Score: 1

      eh, come on now why such a hard line? I mean I understand what you're talking about in theory but in practice cops are people too and sometimes they just want to know basic information if we treat them like enemies like this they will treat us like enemies I suppose since you're talking about your children I can respect what you're trying to tell them since they may not have the cognitive capacity to tell if the police are manipulating them however I've also heard people say here " never talk to the cops ever ever ever always ask for a lawyer" it's not like every single time a police officer opens his mouth he's trying to manipulate you there were two police officers at a community meeting today I attended and I almost asked him a question but someone else asked it before me

    109. Re: Must example set of him by sumdumass · · Score: 1

      Wrong...

      The job of a cop is to enforce all laws and bring people to justice through the justice system. Failures to do so ends with bad laws that are selectively enforced and disproportionately enforced law giving appearances of if not just outright discrimination ingrained into the justice system.

      A car load of white boys being igored while doing 10mph over the posted speed limit while the black man following gets pulled over because its a white neighborhood is exactly what happens when cops act like you suggest. The cops have to use the law. If there are silly laws,they need to be changed. But they absolutely need to be enforced indiscriminately.

    110. Re: Must example set of him by Tijaska · · Score: 1

      The kid is lucky they didn't shoot him in the back. Others have been shot for less reason.

    111. Re:Must example set of him by Jack+Griffin · · Score: 1

      It's defective because it is commonplace in the US to ridicule other cultures where this is considered normal.

    112. Re:Must example set of him by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I can see your sarcasm. That is why i propose to file a bullying report against the school.

    113. Re: Must example set of him by Jack+Griffin · · Score: 1

      The law is screwed up. This isn't hacking. Hacking is when someone intrudes into a properly secured computer system containing high-valued data and conducts ransom, espionage, theft, damage in a large amount, such as stealing SSNs, identity theft, or intellectual property on which a business is based.

      No it isn't. Hacking is simply accessing something you're not supposed to. Sure the punishment here is ridiculous as the offence is the equivalent of defacing an exercise book, but it's technically still hacking.

    114. Re: Must example set of him by Jack+Griffin · · Score: 1

      If you don't like the law, there are two things you can do. Either 1. Don't break the law. or 2. Appeal to your congresscritter to get the law changed.

      I can think of some other options:
      3. Abuse it for your own benefit
      4. Move to a different place with different laws that you find more satisfactory
      5. Revolt and overthrow the government
      I'm sure there are many others...

    115. Re: Must example set of him by Jack+Griffin · · Score: 1

      Australia wants to heavily regulate 3D printers in case someone decides to make a plastic gun,

      The difference is, someone somewhere wants this, which is not the same is this actually happened and was brought into law by anyone with the power to do so. See how that works?
      Probably not, because it is true that the US is the laughing stock, at least when it comes to OECD standards for health, education, social equality, legal rights etc etc...

    116. Re: Must example set of him by antdude · · Score: 1

      Heh, one of my boss(es) changed wallpapers to look like a real desktop at work over a decade ago. It was harmless and funny. :)

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    117. Re: Must example set of him by war4peace · · Score: 1

      That's exactly what I as doing. Setting taskbar to auto-hide, web wallpaper setting, all icons on desktop were there (in the screenshot set as wallpaper) and people were fruitlessly trying to click on them.
      I mostly got "you can do that? HOW?" and explained away, "victims" left the scene more knowledgeable.

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    118. Re: Must example set of him by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      thats hacking in legal terms.

    119. Re: Must example set of him by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You're right, once this story gets out I have a feeling that maybe someone anonymous will teach them all a lesson about what hacking really is.

    120. Re:Must example set of him by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      > No. People need to respect property boundaries.

      This.

      I can't for the life of me understand why people fail to learn this lesson in kindergarten: if it's not yours, LEAVE IT ALONE.

    121. Re: Must example set of him by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      ...maybe, just maybe, you should also teach your daughter to respect other's privacy and be a little compassionate.

      Even adults can be hurt by cyber-bullying. And why did that kid think he had the right to break in and post pictures on someone else's account anyway? Just because he could? That kid clearly needs some plain-old-parenting (POP). Yes, I am a mom and have raised two kind, gentle, respectful and rapidly becoming successful young adults. If they had done something like that as teens I would have been glad to see authorities take action and would have also grounded them! R E S P E C T. I know, so unhip and old-school.

    122. Re: Must example set of him by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Is this a joke? I'm confused.... is there a tag missing?

      Otherwise this is one of the most depressing comments I've ever read.

    123. Re: Must example set of him by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes he should be punished and out is excessive. That's because computer crime laws are in the stone age. Real justice can never be done.

    124. Re: Must example set of him by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Oh, come on - briefly held in detection is hardly jail time. More like a little warning with no criminal record involved. Most kids just can't hear the adults in their lives (who do know more than they) without a little reality check. The kid may have a history of overzealous pranking - who knows? An Andy Griffith, Sheriff of Mayberry, kind of loving gesture to reboot the kid, possibly?

    125. Re: Must example set of him by mysidia · · Score: 1

      It's still stupid for the teacher to do so, but the kids are also still trespassing on the teacher's property.

      No... your new analogy is not a good one. The kids are not trespassing on the teacher's real property, only on portable belongings which are located on the school grounds.

      Invading someone's house is a serious crime. Although the teacher informing the kids there's a key under the doormat would be tacit permission to enter , since telling someone how to get into your house is a way of granting implicit permission -- thus making it a non-crime to use the key.

      In fact.... the students' have permission to use the computer. The problem is not going somewhere they shouldn't; it's doing something with the property they have not been granted permission to do with that property, even if they weren't explicitly told they cannot do it.

    126. Re:Must example set of him by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's defective because when a man kisses another man, he is automatically assumed to be gay. Whereas the same is not true for women kissing other women. It's a very typical example of a gender stereotype.

    127. Re: Must example set of him by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If you don't like the law, there are two things you can do. Either 1. Don't break the law. or 2. Appeal to your congresscritter to get the law changed.

      In the USA there is another option: the 9th Amendment. If federal, state, or local law, or any government order, or the terms of a contract, or encumbrances on a piece of property, or any other aspect of the legal system, violates fundamental rights that can reasonably be asserted as arising under the 9th Amendment, then one asserts the 9th Amendment. The law (or whatever) was never legal in the first place.

      In this case, a number of rights that can reasonably be asserted under the 9th Amendment are applicable. Some of these will be obvious, and have already been stated by others, so I won't repeat them here. But even the right to ethical practice of law, in and of itself, invalidates this law. Legal professionals have a vested interest in creating an artificial demand for their services, and making people scared of the legal system by overly broad or excessive laws creates such a demand, by making people want to get a lawyer to protect them from the law. It's a lot like how an organized crime "protection" racket works.

      In making the arrest, the police officers involved violated their oaths to uphold the Bill of Rights. Those oaths being preconditions for holding any position of public trust or responsibility, those people are now former police officers. If the district attorney is stupid enough not to immediately throw out the case and apologize, he or she is now a former legal professional and former government official. The school executives responsible for bringing the police in are also former government officials. Any member of government attempting to keep any of these people in public employ becomes an accessory to the original violation. It is not within the authority of government to grant either immunity or right to pardon for such an act, for if it could, the government could violate any right arising under the Bill of Rights - creating a contradiction in the legal system, and hence a violation of the right to ethical practice of law.

      The principle that the Bill of Rights is open-ended is so important that James Madison put it in two amendments: the 9th and the 10th (where it appears as unspecified rights retained by the people). This was done to address the objection of the anti-Federalists that any Bill of Rights would necessarily be incomplete. Further, we know from Madison's original text that the Bill of Rights was fully intended to apply to state governments as well as the federal (this would necessarily follow in any event as a consequence of the right to ethical practice of law, a point that has been made numerous times on Slashdot).

      In short, the actions of the police and the school officials not only violate common sense, they violate the law.

      Think of this as the 9th Amendment equivalent of the Nuremberg Precedent, but applied to legal professionals, police officers, and school officials instead of military officers. Everyone in these positions is required by the existence of the 9th Amendment to use reasonable judgement in determining the limits of the law, and anyone too stupid to do so has no place in public services.

    128. Re:Must example set of him by Sarius64 · · Score: 1

      Yes, you apparently would pull out the shotgun and kill children for grabbing a candy bar as you compare their act to gang rape. You're a moron.

    129. Re:Must example set of him by thegarbz · · Score: 1

      Not blaming the victim regardless of the crime does not mean that the punishment would be equal in all circumstances.

      The child would get a spanking / time-out / whatever other catchy modern day parenting technique is used. Point was that it's not the victim's fault if a kid steals their candy.

      Next time you go to call someone a moron maybe look up the difference between crime and punishment, and get some basic reading comprehension skills first.

    130. Re: Must example set of him by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      hey, i thought that was arizona..... or was it ohio... or indiana.... or utah.... gosh, darnitall, there's just too many of them. but they update the list every four years and paint those states red on tv.

    131. Re: Must example set of him by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Because a 14 year old that did the equivalent or pray-painting graffiti

      Lord Almighty, lend me the courage of thine meaty balls as I toss this mighty sauce. May your noodly appendages bless this pasta to impress thine holy shape upon the hearts of the heathens it splatters. Ramen.

    132. Re:Must example set of him by aliquis · · Score: 1

      I think I had a friend who gave his friend (not me..) a blow job to find out how it was. With condom but whatever.

      So I'd say that depends on how relaxed you are.

    133. Re: Must example set of him by zwarte+piet · · Score: 1

      File a bug report.

    134. Re:Must example set of him by zwarte+piet · · Score: 1
    135. Re: Must example set of him by jenningsthecat · · Score: 1

      ...and a student sneaks over to it and pencils in a lewd picture on the cover.

      I agree with almost everything you said. But in what way is a picture of two men kissing "lewd"?

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    136. Re: Must example set of him by JakeBurn · · Score: 1

      What are you talking about? This isn't about hacking and neither is the law. The law is about unauthorized use of computer systems and what you do with that access. Instead of wasting your time with irrelevant analogies, maybe say why you feel what he did was not what the law indicated as illegal activity? Unless you know of paper grade books in use that require a login id and password as well as having laws covering its use. Whether or not its a shitty law is irrelevant. While I committed nearly the same act in the late '90s and only received three days suspension, I did so when there wasn't a law covering what I did. Same goes for a guy I had to fire for not showing up to work. He was just like that kid in the fact that he thought his bad action was only kind of bad before the legal system pointed out that there are in fact laws that cover this action and it is in fact, very bad. My ex-employee stole two 2X4's worth less than ten dollars and is now serving a sixteen year prison sentence for it. Was it his fault that he didn't know just having an unsecured firearm in his truck would make his petty theft a felony? It doesn't matter what he thought because the law says otherwise. Is it his fault that he didn't know our state has PFO laws that add mandatory sentences for what he didn't know would be a felony to begin with? It doesn't matter what he thought because the law says otherwise. Saying he deserves a break means you think that some people should be allowed to break the law if they are ignorant of it. While that sounds good on paper, the Romans found thousands of years ago that people will always claim ignorance when given a chance and having a zero tolerance policy on that topic means your citizens either educate themselves on the relevant laws regarding their lives or they suffer the consequences. His intent was clearly malicious but pointing out that it wasn't nearly as malicious as the worst case scenarios of what that law covers is also irrelevant. The fact that he used a picture of two men kissing, and any random jury of 12 will likely have a homosexual citizen among those 12 people means that this kid will likely not find a friendly jury. If his charges stick and it goes to trial he's fucked and deservedly so. I personally find no sympathy with bullies and find no reason to support them when they find themselves in the low end of the criminal pool regardless of their intent.

    137. Re:Must example set of him by Sarius64 · · Score: 1

      No, I disagree with you; there are levels of response when you're discussing children that are overboard. If the kid pulls a gun or sells drugs, fine. Using an poorly secured computer system to have a prank is far from gang rape; to whit I'll still tag moronic in statement.

    138. Re:Must example set of him by dave420 · · Score: 1

      Homo-: 'same'
      phobia: 'an extreme or irrational fear of or aversion to something'

    139. Re: Must example set of him by TwoEyedJack · · Score: 1

      OK, next time you are driving one MPH over the limit, would you like to be thrown in jail and charged with a felony?

    140. Re: Must example set of him by mysidia · · Score: 1

      He wasn't charged with hacking. The charge was unauthorized access.

      The student had authorized access to the computing system. The student logged into the system with higher privileges without permission than the student was intended to access the system with -- using the credentials to another user's account which the student learned using lawful means (There was no surreptitious spying, keylogging, deceptive/fraudulent activity, or attacking of the computer system required to get access to the login used).

      No. This is the equivalent if locking the grade book away when the student knows where the key is. It's the changing of the grade that is wrong not the finding of the key.

      Ok, sure... the teacher locked the grade book away, then in plain sight of the students set the key on the desk, or left the key in the lock. The point is there is no 'breaking and entering' involved here.

      The teacher/staff of the school are totally complicit in any wrongdoing, due to inadequate supervision and improper precautions. If they expected to secure their accounts, they should have actually chosen a password for the Password field, instead of using their name: which all the students are told on 1st day of class, therefore the teacher actually indirectly disclosed her password on the 1st day of class, most likely.

      Except, the student didn't look at or change the grades; although the student in theory could have. Even if the student did change the grade... a criminal charge would be ridiculous. Just give the student an academic penalty and a disciplinary charge --- fail the course, suspended pending review by a disciplinary committee and possible expulsion.

    141. Re: Must example set of him by reve_etrange · · Score: 1

      Holding back transformative technological progress in order to protect established industries under the guise of "protecting" citizens is indeed no laughing matter...

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    142. Re: Must example set of him by magicandjewel · · Score: 1

      I agree with you and applaud the way you've played along with the joke that is Florida. Let me explain. Florida, that is, the area of the USA that we think of as Florida is a fiction. When I was a boy I was taught that Florida was the place where old Jews (of which I am one) go to die. When I was an adult the Bush/Gore election fiasco conclusively proved that was true. There is no there there. Florida is a fictitious territory invented by Philip K. Dick for one of his paranoid dystopian novels. The word is that Ridley Scott is quietly working on a movie about the imaginary state. Its working title is Epimetheus. What about all those maps of the USA that show a phallic projection down there? They're fictitious too. Florida is not real! get over it. [Incidentally, Texas isn't real either, which is far easier to demonstrate than what I'm saying here.] If such a place as Florida really existed then neither the fictitious antihero George Zimmerman nor this bizarre episode would have happened. If Florida hadn't already been invented by Philip K. Dick then Andy Borowitz would have invented the imaginary state by now. The other commenters are either fools, Republicans (okay, that was redundant), or also playing along with the joke. Now you know.

  2. Dumb and dumber by padrejohn · · Score: 1

    Who is Jeff and who is Jim.

  3. thank God they didn't have computers.... by OutOnARock · · Score: 5, Insightful

    when I was a kid

    the things I might have done....

    picking the mimeograph of the test out of the trash if its in public isn't even a criminal offense...

    1. Re:thank God they didn't have computers.... by tnk1 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Yes, but this isn't in public. The fact that they had easily learned the password and were regularly using it isn't the same as it being "in public".

      I don't think this should be a felony, but just because I leave my front door unlocked and slightly ajar doesn't give you permission to enter it.

      On the other hand, I don't know why schools are so quick to call the cops for something like this. Kids must do something at this level of annoying multiple times a day, every day. If they called the cops for every one of those, we'd have to move the classes to prison.

    2. Re:thank God they didn't have computers.... by sasquatch989 · · Score: 5, Funny

      Yes, but if you leave your door unlocked and slightly ajar does give me the right to put a pic of two dudes kissing in your foyer

    3. Re:thank God they didn't have computers.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Yes, but this isn't in public. The fact that they had easily learned the password and were regularly using it isn't the same as it being "in public".

      No, but where is the "crime"? where I live, a student messing with a background image might get some harsh words. Set it to something pornographic, and they might even get a lowered grade. Hacking in order to cheat on exams might get them expelled - but still no police involvment.

    4. Re:thank God they didn't have computers.... by jythie · · Score: 4, Insightful

      The defense will probably (assuming it goes to trial) rest on the point that not only were the passwords public knowledge but were being used with the teacher's knowledge in other instances. To expand the analogy, it would be like keeping your key under a rock so any number of people can come in to feed your cat, but then one of those people scrawls something on the wall.

      'hacking' needs to have some lower bounds, and this sounds more like a case of simple vandalism then any kind of intrusion.

    5. Re:thank God they didn't have computers.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      More like writing something on your whiteboard, as there was no destruction involved and the change could be easily reversed.

    6. Re:thank God they didn't have computers.... by smooth+wombat · · Score: 1

      So trespassing since you were uninvited?

      And yes, people who put flyers on door knobs are trespassing.

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    7. Re:thank God they didn't have computers.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I don't think this should be a felony, but just because I leave my front door unlocked and slightly ajar doesn't give you permission to enter it.

      FELONY!!! Just because I left my car locked with the windows down, doesn't give my nephew permission to squeeze his arm through, open the door and set my radio station to a different channel. The evil rogue should go to prison for such vileness!!!

    8. Re:thank God they didn't have computers.... by fustakrakich · · Score: 1

      we'd have to move the classes to prison.

      That's been happening for a while now. The pipeline is getting shorter and fatter.

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    9. Re:thank God they didn't have computers.... by LWATCDR · · Score: 1, Informative

      Actually no it does not. That is called trespassing.

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    10. Re:thank God they didn't have computers.... by Cro+Magnon · · Score: 1

      Not even that. More like one of those people hangs an ugly picture on the wall, which can easily be taken down. Worth a chewing out by the teacher, but not much else.

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    11. Re:thank God they didn't have computers.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      >> we'd have to move the classes to prison.
      > That's been happening for a while now. The pipeline is getting shorter and fatter.

      Just waiting for the "Incarceration" greeting card section at the Hallmark store...

    12. Re:thank God they didn't have computers.... by thedonger · · Score: 1

      'hacking' needs to have some lower bounds, and this sounds more like a case of simple vandalism then any kind of intrusion.

      This isn't even close to hacking or any kind of computer crime. I'm surprised they didn't throw in hate crime charges for good measure.

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    13. Re:thank God they didn't have computers.... by Shakrai · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I don't think this should be a felony, but just because I leave my front door unlocked and slightly ajar doesn't give you permission to enter it.

      It shouldn't even be a criminal charge. It may be a crime by the letter of the law, but c'mon, this couldn't be handled in-house?! A moronic stunt like this calls for in-school suspension with a few extra and tedious academic assignments. I can't decide what's more pathetic, the fact that the school couldn't handle this internally or the fact that law enforcement took the "case."

      Coming soon, the 2015 remake of The Breakfast Club; it begins with all four kids in handcuffs, charged with felonies for their misadventures, and ends with the parents bankrupted by legal fees while the kids lose any hope of becoming productive members of society.

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    14. Re:thank God they didn't have computers.... by turkeyfish · · Score: 4, Funny

      You do't understand. The pick this kid posted suggested to them that he might grow up a Democrat. Soon he will be a felon and unable to vote. This is just one more aspect of many police state laws being put in place by the modern GOP and the shadow plutocrats that control it to make sure their grip on the public is complete.

      One doen't know whether to laugh or feel sorry for at all the right wing conspirator wackjobs, who are so busy protesting against the evils of "liberalism" and "socialism", that they haven't even noticed the plutocrats have inserted a rubber glove so far up their backsides that when the time comes all the plutocrats will have to do is to reach in and yank their hearts out.

    15. Re:thank God they didn't have computers.... by turkeyfish · · Score: 1

      Yes, but with compassionate conservatism we can expect prisons to soon open up "job centers", where the prisoners can work for free.

    16. Re:thank God they didn't have computers.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Other laws guard those scenarios. If my door is open and you walk in then it's not "breaking and entering", nor have you committed theft (unless that your intent and you take something). This is simple "trespass" and all I need do is declare you a trespasser and the police will deal with it, but it's a relatively minor charge.

      If you break the lock and walk in then you're "breaking and entering" and automatically trespassing. If you rummage through drawers to find stuff then it's also destruction of property and attempted theft.

      There is such a thing as "computer misuse" and that's what we're looking at here. "Computer misuse" should not be conflated with "hacking" - it's the difference between having a key and flooding my kitchen vs fabricating a skeleton key or picking the lock and flooding my kitchen. In one case I trusted you and you committed vandalism against my property (my bad). In the other case I never had cause to trust you and you violated my space and committed vandalism against my property (you bad). I offer you a key vs learning where I keep the key. If you learn it without my knowledge then I still didn't technically "trust you" and you're as bad as bad can be. You did break the lock. You're guilty of "breaking and entering" and "trespass" - you're not guilty of "hacking".

      I swear eventually we'll see cases in court of people hacking coffee-makers because they replaced the switch. We're overusing the word "hacking" to mean everything from mind-tricks to using unusual tools to accomplish tasks. These are not hacks. Hacking requires some trawling for a weakness in a system, reading of sources, discovery of oversights, and exploitation of those with malicious intent. If you outright see someone typing their password then shame on them for typing it publicly and with complete abandon of security. You need to take basic steps to secure your own property; it's required. We all have locks. Shame on you for exploiting their lack of care though.

      Shame, not prison.

    17. Re:thank God they didn't have computers.... by Austerity+Empowers · · Score: 1

      Nor does it give him the right to put his justin bieber cd on your dashboard.

      And for the record, I believe in the state of Texas this may be a capital offense.

    18. Re:thank God they didn't have computers.... by GMFTatsujin · · Score: 1
    19. Re:thank God they didn't have computers.... by Mr+D+from+63 · · Score: 1

      It shouldn't even be a criminal charge.

      Well, if folks would calm down they'd realize that this is more likely just an attempt to scare the kid and set and example. So, they play this card for long enough, and that's the last time he or any of the other kids at school do this kind of thing, charges are dropped and the kid walks.

      But the parents or whoever had to go to the media, the media makes a big stink, and it becomes a mess.

    20. Re:thank God they didn't have computers.... by weilawei · · Score: 1

      Hey, if I'm the mailman, I can walk all the way up to your front door. Slipping the picture inside would be expected. My mailman leaves stuff in my mudroom to keep it out of the rain & dirt (sometimes bears).

      Granted, that doesn't apply to people who don't have a customary reason for being there. Police officer can chase a suspect without trespassing, mailman can come up to your door and slip stuff inside, building inspector can come inside for inspections as they wish, etc..

      A person who has contacted the local police station and registered as a solicitor is welcome to place flyers on your doorknob. There is no trespass in that instance. Many moons ago, I worked as a canvasser for a political organization, and walking onto private property was a big part of the job--but the entire team generally needed to register with the local police.

    21. Re:thank God they didn't have computers.... by omnichad · · Score: 2

      Depends on where you live. Putting flyers on the door knob is only trespassing if you have already told them not to be there, put up a no trespassing sign, or put up a no soliciting sign in most places. Otherwise, people can reasonably expect to be able to walk up to your front door.

      Pushing a photo through an open door isn't really trespassing either if you stay outside.

    22. Re:thank God they didn't have computers.... by Shakrai · · Score: 2

      No, but where is the "crime"?

      The crime is using a password you didn't have permission to use to gain access to a computer account that a reasonable person would have known they would not entitled to access.

      Disclaimer: I am not justifying it, I think this is overreaction is patently stupid, I am just explaining what the underlying criminal offense is.

      I am surprised it's a felony level offense; I just pursued New York State's penal law and our most analogous offenses are both misdemeanors; I guess that's Florida for you. In New York you would have to access "computer material" (i.e., steal a file) to turn it into a felony, or be engaged in the commission of another felony while accessing the system without authorization.

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    23. Re:thank God they didn't have computers.... by omnichad · · Score: 1

      Not in most states. People can reasonably expect to be able to walk up to your front door unless you have posted signs saying "no trespassing" or "no soliciting" or told the specific person that they are not allowed.

      Pushing a photo through an open door isn't really trespassing either if you stay outside.

    24. Re:thank God they didn't have computers.... by im_thatoneguy · · Score: 5, Interesting

      I actually had this happen to me in 7th grade. Another student realized that we could use a password cracking program (I think windows would save pw files) to crack local user account passwords. First of all this is back in the days when windows 95 had horrific security such as storing user account passwords in a file that any user could access. :P And what would happen is that when you logged into Novell windows would often then prompt you for a local user account as well. And almost everybody would type in their their regular username and password to each machine. Well the other student cracked the schools system administrator's password and it was surprise surprise his first name plus like 123.

      So for the first time in known history at our school, we finally had several administrators who actually could manage the computers. We changed the desktop resolution from like 640x480 up to a "modern" 1024x768 on all of the machines. We were able to fix teacher machines which weren't working. The "system administrator" at our school's solution to everything was just format and re-install. Which is probably cost-effective for him but not ideal for teachers who would have to reinstall all of their software.

      We also had a little bit of fun, using remote desktop software on friends to trick them into thinking that Microsoft Word had a sentient chat bot that they had unlocked. Or moving a file around on their desktop when they were about to click on it so they would have to chase it around.

      Well the fun all came crashing down when the system administrator went on vacation and came back to notice that he had apparently "worked" throughout his vacation logging into various systems. My friend who initially cracked his password had been dumb enough to log in as himself, and then 2 seconds later as the admin, then back in as himself again. The admin perfectly sensibly went to the principle, who unfortunately though was 80 years old and completely clueless on technology. The admin filled the principle's heads with "felony hacking" and warned him that we could change our grades (We all had 4.0+ GPAs anyway so...) and also that we could change all of the accountant's books. Which might have been true but... which to me raised questions as to why the IT manager gave himself access to the entire school's accounting records. So the principle called us each in one by one. Told us (without a representative or parent) that we could either as 12 year olds consent to something like 80 hours of community service at the school over the next year or else they would press felony charges against us. We of course all started balling one by one and folded.

      After that the teachers would ask us to fix their computers because they but we just had to shrug our shoulders and say "sorry, the school says if we fix your computer we'll face felony charges." Needless to say the computers returned to their shitty unmaintained state. The principle apologized to us a couple years later and said he over-reacted.

    25. Re:thank God they didn't have computers.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The police department doesn't get to define who is trespassing on my property; I do. And yes, if you come onto my property and litter (whether you set it on the porch or hang it on the door) you are both littering and trespassing.

    26. Re:thank God they didn't have computers.... by Shakrai · · Score: 2

      Scaring the kid would end at putting him in the back of a patrol car in handcuffs and driving him to the station while sternly lecturing him about his life choices. I would have no problem with that and would in fact encourage it if I was his parents. To actually charge with him a felony though? That's absurd.

      Being charged with a felony will follow him forever, even if the charges are ultimately dismissed. Want a gun license? In many States (even gun friendly ones) you have to disclose arrests, not convictions. Want to apply for a security clearance? Same deal. Depending on the laws of your State you may have to disclose arrests for mundane job applications that don't involve security clearances or the like. Even if the records are sealed it'll still show up on a Google search if you made the police blotter.

      You can explain away the arrest -- I was charged with a felony at age 19 and it hasn't really impeded my life -- but what do you suppose happens if an employer or institute of higher education is looking at two otherwise equal candidates and one of them has an arrest record?

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    27. Re:thank God they didn't have computers.... by amiga3D · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Maybe they could just have the punishment fit the crime? When I was in school this would have meant bending over the Principal's desk and getting 5 swats with a piece of wood called a paddle. Now we're so much more civilized. Instead of bruising his ass cheeks we'll just ruin his entire fucking life. So much better.

    28. Re:thank God they didn't have computers.... by MitchDev · · Score: 1

      Imagine if the students had intended actual mayhem instead of silly "graffiti"...

    29. Re:thank God they didn't have computers.... by amiga3D · · Score: 4, Insightful

      The school over reacted and it became a mess. Time to put the Principal on the unemployment line. The voters there need to take back their schools from the idiots they've left in charge.

    30. Re:thank God they didn't have computers.... by MitchDev · · Score: 1

      Perhaps if the school hadn't been a bunch of asshats and called the cops, and if the cops hadn't been useless a-hole bullies and used absurb crime designations, this situation wouldn't exist...

      Parents had every right to bring this idiocy to light

    31. Re:thank God they didn't have computers.... by iMadeGhostzilla · · Score: 5, Interesting

      This case, the woman who got 20 years for (possibly inducing) miscarriage, the guy who built a fort from cardboard boxes in his yard for his kids and was told by the city to remove it, all in the last few days -- I think they call for this quote from Jack Tramiel (of Commodore) when he asked how he could not hate Germans after having been in Auschwitz:

      "You know," he once told me, "it's hard to believe it really happened. But it can happen again. In America. Americans like to make rules, and that scares me. If you have too many rules you get locked in a system. It's the system that says this one dies and that one doesn't, not the people. That's why I don't hate the German people. Individuals, yes. Rules, yes. But not all Germans." He shrugged. "They just obeyed the rules. But that's why we need more Commodores. We need more mavericks, just so the rules don't take over."

    32. Re:thank God they didn't have computers.... by weilawei · · Score: 5, Informative

      You don't define who's trespassing on your property when they have a customary reason to be there. You can't take the mailman to court for trespassing, you can't take the police to court for chasing a suspect through your house and out a window, and you can't take a registered solicitor to court for trespassing (provided they leave as soon as you ask). If the fire department shows up with a reported emergency, they can bust in and there's not shit you can do about it. Building inspector? Same deal. Health inspector? Yep.

      A registered solicitor leaving a flyer is NOT considered littering. You cannot win that in court. Ever try to get rid of Jehovah's Witnesses? They always leave shit. Good luck.

      You don't define it. Trespassing is defined by the law, which allows you to take certain actions to encourage a certain set of people to leave, but it does not automatically mean that anyone who sets foot on your property is trespassing just because you don't like it.

      TL;DR: The world is more nuanced than your "LALALALA FINGERS IN EARS" view of things.

    33. Re:thank God they didn't have computers.... by lgw · · Score: 4, Funny

      My mailman leaves stuff in my mudroom to keep it out of the rain & dirt (sometimes bears).

      Yikes, your mailman sometimes leaves bears in your mudroom? You must have really pissed him off!

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    34. Re:thank God they didn't have computers.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      By "soon" do you mean the year 1865?

    35. Re:thank God they didn't have computers.... by weilawei · · Score: 1

      No, I leave the bears outside and the mailman hides stuff inside to keep it away from them. Occasionally the bears get curious and try to come inside, but I don't encourage it, and I don't think my mailman does.

    36. Re:thank God they didn't have computers.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      When I was in high school, I found the CS teacher's password and logged into his computer as him, installed a program that loaded 50 - 100 sheep on his desktop and shook all the icons on his desktop.

      Guess what happened? He laughed for a few seconds & said "don't to it again". No write-up, no detention... He did change his password, but that's about it.

    37. Re:thank God they didn't have computers.... by rogoshen1 · · Score: 1

      do not give them any ideas.

    38. Re:thank God they didn't have computers.... by Mr+D+from+63 · · Score: 1

      The kid probably responded to authority in a similar manner....hence his situation.

    39. Re:thank God they didn't have computers.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If they called the cops for every one of those, we'd have to move the classes to prison.

      I think thats the plan.

    40. Re:thank God they didn't have computers.... by amiga3D · · Score: 1

      Exactly what should have happened here. Look what the idiots made it into. They turned a kids prank into a terror alert. The people responsible should never be allowed anywhere near education of children again.

    41. Re:thank God they didn't have computers.... by Mr+D+from+63 · · Score: 1

      Interesting. Were your charges dropped ? As I understand they do not stick with you if so. It may be different if for a 19 year old vs under 18. But if the charges stay no matter what, then I agree that would overdoing it as a scare tactic.

    42. Re:thank God they didn't have computers.... by weilawei · · Score: 1

      I'm going to confuse the question now.

      If I am standing outside a house, and I hear screaming (as in, sounds like someone is being stabbed to death screaming), am I trespassing (as an unqualified, ordinary civilian) if I set foot in the house to aid the presumably imminently-in-danger person?

      (Yes, I know this varies by jurisdiction, but what the hell..)

    43. Re:thank God they didn't have computers.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They might have no choice but to call depending on the 'zero tolerance' policies in that district. A friend of mine is a teacher and a student mentioned their parent had hit them (which is why they were limping). He had not choice but to report it and the police got involved. As it turns out, the student was kidding.

    44. Re:thank God they didn't have computers.... by mrbester · · Score: 1

      And now he has further reason to fear and distrust authority and the law. Congratulations, you've turned a kid into a felon. Now you've branded him to get fucked over for the rest of his life by banks and employers what choice does he have?

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    45. Re:thank God they didn't have computers.... by johnnys · · Score: 1

      No, the media should be asked to make a big stink about this, and the mind that can countenance that this is in any way a proper use of the system must be removed from any position of authority. A felony charge will follow that child around for the rest of his life. That is NOT acceptable.

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    46. Re:thank God they didn't have computers.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Because he's a repeat offender, RTFA.

    47. Re:thank God they didn't have computers.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This is proof that our government is out of control and we are all felons (I'm sure there is a law we all break every day that is a felony)

      Probably a form of gun control (felons can't own firearms)

    48. Re:thank God they didn't have computers.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      +1 Lulz.

    49. Re:thank God they didn't have computers.... by grumpy_old_grandpa · · Score: 1

      > If they called the cops for every one of those, we'd have to move the classes to prison.

      The moved the cops into the schools long time ago, so we're pretty much there already:
      http://www.theguardian.com/wor...

    50. Re:thank God they didn't have computers.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      gotta agree with you there. Although a part of me says this should be a real pitch...

    51. Re:thank God they didn't have computers.... by Ol+Olsoc · · Score: 2

      Yes, but if you leave your door unlocked and slightly ajar does give me the right to put a pic of two dudes kissing in your foyer

      Might give him the right to kiss you in his foyer.

      --
      The shepherds did so well protecting the flock that the sheep no longer believed that wolves existed.
    52. Re:thank God they didn't have computers.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      When I was a small child, only barely starting out in elementary school, we had computers in our library. These were ancient clunkers by today's standards, but the school used them for recording grades as well as allowing students to play Oregon Trail.

      Welp, the computers had a login on them. And the teachers weren't handing it out. I did notice a banner on the wall. It was one of those banners printed out on the paper with strips for feeding, and it said, in giant letters, each a page tall, "STARS". I typed that in as the password--lo, and behold, I was in.

      Then, I made the fatal mistake of telling my teacher that they shouldn't put the password on the wall. I was chastised, but not suspended, and that was how I learned not to tell people when they've done something enormously stupid. Now, I often play dumb and pretend to not know anything about computers, despite nearly 23 years of experience programming.

      For the record, I've never hacked anything without permission, unless you count that sole incident, because my parents told me that if the FBI ever showed up, they were sending them to my bedroom. It's a very effective threat when you're a little kid, and it set the tone for the rest of my life. Not my stuff, I don't mess with it. I build stuff, not break it. Hacker, not cracker. If I want to break something, I go get my own copy of it and break it--but I stay the hell away from other peoples' stuff.

    53. Re:thank God they didn't have computers.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's the equivalent of speaking up out of turn in the classroom (ie not raising your hand). At best the teacher aught to yell "sit down and raise your hand". The only people deserving of punishment are the idiots who charged this kid with a crime for misuse of government resources, and maybe the substitute for a 'hate crime' (she obviously hates gay men as she tried to get revenge on the kid for the picture she didn't like).

    54. Re:thank God they didn't have computers.... by war4peace · · Score: 1

      Why do you think most people don't do it?
      There are countless cases when a victim could have been saved if anyone would have interfered, nobody did.

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    55. Re:thank God they didn't have computers.... by MitchDev · · Score: 1

      EXACTLY!

      This nonsense is just accelerating the trend of total disrespect for authority of any kind. Those in power never pay for their crimes, so why should anyone care or obey anything they say?

      Why do kids and other people hat e the cops and distrust them? Look to stories like this, same with teachers and other authority figures...

    56. Re:thank God they didn't have computers.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The analogy just doesn't really fit this case - it'd be more like if your only key was hidden under a rock on your stoop and I hung a poster of two dudes kissing over a painting in your living room.

    57. Re:thank God they didn't have computers.... by war4peace · · Score: 1

      I would challenge this "no permission to use" assumption.
      If I were the student, I would have defended myself by saying "my home machine password is the same, i just tried it and it worked, what a coincidence!"

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    58. Re:thank God they didn't have computers.... by g0bshiTe · · Score: 1

      Cause no one thinks anymore, everyone is scared of a lawsuit.

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    59. Re:thank God they didn't have computers.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Why do I think most people don't do it? Well, from my old sociology class, I was told it's the bystander effect. Spread out the responsibility, make it Someone Else's Problem.

      Do I actually know (as if I were an oracle) what percentage of people help and what motivates people to help or not help? Not a clue.

      My question was more along the lines of, is this trespassing? What major considerations come into play in most places? Is a good samaritan protected in the act of saving someone's life when they are in imminent peril?

    60. Re:thank God they didn't have computers.... by Obfuscant · · Score: 1

      The defense will probably (assuming it goes to trial) rest on the point that not only were the passwords public knowledge but were being used with the teacher's knowledge in other instances.

      Where did you get this from? The student said that other students used the teachers' accounts, but nobody said they were doing it with the knowledge of the teachers or with their permission. Even with their permission may be unauthorized access, since I'm going to guess that the AUP for the systems involved prohibit account sharing. If they don't, they should.

      Here's what the fine article says about the intent of the student who was arrested:

      That's when he tried the other computer, which he realized was used by a teacher he didn't like, and realized that he could use his wide-reaching access to wreak some havoc.

      To expand the analogy, it would be like keeping your key under a rock so any number of people can come in to feed your cat, but then one of those people scrawls something on the wall.

      No, the analogy would be that you leave a key under a rock and then someone you haven't given permission to use the key or enter your house uses that key to enter your house with the intent to "wreak some havoc", but doesn't do much before he decides to leave.

      'hacking' needs to have some lower bounds,

      Were he charged with "hacking" you might have a point. "Unauthorized access to computer systems" does have a lower bound. Don't access a computer system without authorization and you're well below the lower bound.

    61. Re:thank God they didn't have computers.... by kilfarsnar · · Score: 1

      when I was a kid the things I might have done.... picking the mimeograph of the test out of the trash if its in public isn't even a criminal offense...

      Yeah, but back then they hadn't yet criminalized childhood like they have now.

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      "What the American public doesn't know is what makes them the American public." -Ray Zalinsky (Tommy Boy)
    62. Re:thank God they didn't have computers.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Hey, if I'm the mailman, I can walk all the way up to your front door. Slipping the picture inside would be expected. My mailman leaves stuff in my mudroom to keep it out of the rain & dirt (sometimes bears).

      How often does the mailman leave bears in your mudroom?

    63. Re:thank God they didn't have computers.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Nice. That ought to solve the H1B problem too!

    64. Re:thank God they didn't have computers.... by Ash+Vince · · Score: 1

      Not in most states. People can reasonably expect to be able to walk up to your front door unless you have posted signs saying "no trespassing" or "no soliciting" or told the specific person that they are not allowed.

      Pushing a photo through an open door isn't really trespassing either if you stay outside.

      A piss poor password is not the same as an open door, it is actually more like a door with a shitty lock. And bypassing a lock without permission, no matter how shitty it is, is breaking and entering pure and simple even if you do not do any damage.

      I am still very surprised this kid has been charged though. When I was at school most criminal offences on school grounds were brushed under the carpet in order not to embarrass the school. You could get even away with giving teachers decent wallop providing you didn't go to far and break their nose or anything. Likewise for hitting other students or stealing stuff.

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    65. Re:thank God they didn't have computers.... by weilawei · · Score: 2

      About once every couple of weeks or so. You should've been there the night the bear ate goombaw.

      /apologies to Pat McManus

    66. Re:thank God they didn't have computers.... by omnichad · · Score: 1

      I wasn't talking about the metaphor. I was talking about walking up to an actual front door - where previous poster seriously thought that stepping onto someone else's property is already trespassing in all cases.

    67. Re:thank God they didn't have computers.... by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      A registered solicitor leaving a flyer is NOT considered littering. You cannot win that in court. Ever try to get rid of Jehovah's Witnesses? They always leave shit. Good luck.

      is there anywhere in the US where those little "NO SOLICITORS" signs are legally effective?

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    68. Re:thank God they didn't have computers.... by oh_my_080980980 · · Score: 1

      Vandalism is still vandalism. It's school property. Better get used to it.

    69. Re:thank God they didn't have computers.... by Darinbob · · Score: 1

      Zero tolerance. It means administrators no longer have to think. It's like an algorithm: IF (cross the lin) THEN expell and prosecute END.
      The alternative in the past was to investigate and use discretion. Unfortunately that lead to unfair consequences; those labeled as potentional troublemakers got into much more trouble than the "good" students for the same offense; and minorities and poorer studetns were much more likely to be labeled as troublemakers. Wrong doings you did in kindergarten are still on your secret record in high school. Administrators were getting huge amount of flak for this and so many have decided on the zero tolerance policies.

      I'm not defending zero tolerance here, but this does seem to a major cause behind the zero tolerance trend.

    70. Re:thank God they didn't have computers.... by TJ_Phazerhacki · · Score: 1
      I got a 3 day suspension ~15 years ago because a group of us 'nerds' figured out admin access to the schools network, not because I used it, but because I gave the access to most of my entire class without them knowing about it to cover my tracks.

      I shudder to think what would have happened today...

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    71. Re:thank God they didn't have computers.... by mrchaotica · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Well, if folks would calm down they'd realize that this is more likely just an attempt to scare the kid and set and example

      SO?! That's still NOT OKAY!

      What you've just described is a police state using tactics of fear and intimidation to subjugate the public. That's what you're defending here!

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      "[Regarding the 'cloud,'] ownership was what made America different than Russia." -- Woz

    72. Re:thank God they didn't have computers.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Nah, the guy who mails bobcats has juts upped his game.

    73. Re:thank God they didn't have computers.... by mrchaotica · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Doesn't every computer geek who grew up in the 90s have a story like that? As far as I'm concerned, benignly hacking your teacher is a completely normal and expect part of growing up!

      If all schools start reacting to that kind of thing like the one in TFA did, they really will need H1Bs because all the Americans who otherwise would have become developers will be in prison!

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      "[Regarding the 'cloud,'] ownership was what made America different than Russia." -- Woz

    74. Re:thank God they didn't have computers.... by freeze128 · · Score: 1

      Is writing "DICK" on the chalkboard in your classroom considered vandalism? You know, you can just go over there and erase it, right? It might get you detention, but you shouldn't be arrested for it.

      The wallpaper on your PC is just a file stored on a magnetic disc, which is designed for reading AND writing. Removing the wallpaper is just as easy as erasing your chalkboard.

    75. Re:thank God they didn't have computers.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Even in-school suspension is too much. Detention was fine, but maybe still a little excessive depending on the student's long term behavior. It was a prank. An easily fixed, completely harmless prank. Any of my teachers in HS would have laughed and moved on.

    76. Re:thank God they didn't have computers.... by Phil+Urich · · Score: 1

      Doesn't every computer geek who grew up in the 90s have a story like that? As far as I'm concerned, benignly hacking your teacher is a completely normal and expect part of growing up!

      If all schools start reacting to that kind of thing like the one in TFA did, they really will need H1Bs because all the Americans who otherwise would have become developers will be in prison!

      Yup, I have very similar stories myself, although personally I mostly used it just to go over the print limit.

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    77. Re:thank God they didn't have computers.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Principal.

    78. Re:thank God they didn't have computers.... by UnderCoverPenguin · · Score: 1

      Interesting. Were your charges dropped ? As I understand they do not stick with you if so. It may be different if for a 19 year old vs under 18. But if the charges stay no matter what, then I agree that would overdoing it as a scare tactic.

      Legally, the charges (and, maybe even the arrest record) might disappear (depends on the state) if dropped, but any details that were reported in the media will stick around. Similarly, the "seal" on juvenile records is only a legal matter, not a media matter.

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      Don't try to out wierd me, three-eyes. I get stranger things than you, free with my breakfast cereal. --Zaphod Beeblebr
    79. Re:thank God they didn't have computers.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This doesn't require the police *at all*. Give the little bugger detention and be done with it. And the administration should chalk this up to "don't use stupid passwords". Hell, we use to put full blown pr0n as a prank in our school's computer lab, and we never were arrested. Why does it need to be this way now?

    80. Re:thank God they didn't have computers.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes Yes its the messengers fault, and our fault really, because we said words. It became a mess the second the school decided to get the police involved in what amounted to a prank. So why don't you just lay there and take a beating to the face and shut the fuck up, after all if you speak up, or tell anybody so that they can speak up for you, you're just making a big stink and making it worse for yourself.

    81. Re:thank God they didn't have computers.... by digsbo · · Score: 1

      I impressed the principal had the decency to apologize. He was probably a good guy, all in all, who panicked due to realizing there were things going on he could not understand or control.

    82. Re:thank God they didn't have computers.... by CaptainDork · · Score: 1

      See Good Samaritan law for your viewing area.

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    83. Re:thank God they didn't have computers.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Not if you can get in inside the house without setting foot on the property. Slingshots and paper airplanes would make this easy work. Ya'll have no future in crime.

    84. Re:thank God they didn't have computers.... by mtrachtenberg · · Score: 1

      "we'd have to move the classes to prison"

      Hey! Wouldn't that be great for the GDP, especially if the prison were private?!

    85. Re:thank God they didn't have computers.... by CaptainDork · · Score: 1

      Wrong.

      It's a crime. It's a computer crime, and you're supposed to know that.

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    86. Re:thank God they didn't have computers.... by Pyrion · · Score: 1

      I had something similar happen in high school as well - same era of computing technology, but my "crime" was using the Back Orifice client on a terminal in CAD class and discovering that a good chunk of the school's network had been infected with it. Attempting to convince the district's administrator that a problem existed at all got me a "we have antivirus, we're fine" response (their solution for everything was the same as yours - reformat and reinstall), and when I pressed the issue with the school's administration I was given a more detailed answer of "fixing it isn't in the budget."

      So I forced the issue, by using the client to display popup messages on several terminals in my Internet Publishing class, with the teacher in full view of what was going on. Got pulled aside and "reported" to the administration, and he made all kinds of noise about "port scans are a felony" which I couldn't help but laugh at, considering he ultimately had to use the BO client himself to remove the infection. The school administration wanted to expel me and sweep the problem under the rug, but they basically had to settle for assigning me one session of Saturday School after discovering that I had never signed the liability waiver the district required of every student prior to using their computers (I was handed one, I stuck it in my backpack and promptly forgot about it), and neither my CAD teacher nor my Internet Publishing teacher bothered to enforce collecting the damn things.

      The start of the second semester that year was telling, because the school had its campus police lock every computer lab and basically force every student, for each class period, to sign a liability waiver and return it before they'd let anyone in.

      Story doesn't end there though - fast forward a year and change, over the summer the school spent a huge amount of money having one of the computer graphics classes upgraded, with something on the order of 20-some iMacs and 4 G3's. Barely a semester later, somebody broke into the lab, ripped most of the memory out of each machine, and reconfigured the virtual memory settings so that the theft wouldn't be noticed immediately. And it wasn't. Take a wild guess who their first suspect was.

      Getting pulled out of class by two uniformed police officers was fun, though nothing came of that, or their investigation, as far as I know. The school didn't get reimbursed by their insurance company either, because the computers had anti-theft locks installed but none of them were actually armed.

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      "There is much pleasure to be gained from useless knowledge." - Bertrand Russell.
    87. Re:thank God they didn't have computers.... by reve_etrange · · Score: 1

      See Good Samaritan law

      What's funny about these is that many of them coexist with legal precedent establishing that the police have no duty to protect citizens. So in New York for example, cops have no requirement to interfere, but ordinary citizens can be guilty of a crime if they do not.

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    88. Re:thank God they didn't have computers.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Completely agree, one little grammar peeve.

      "...but then one of those people scrawls on your wall"
      Correct!

      "...more like a case of simple vandalism then any kind of intrusion"
      Incorrect.

      These should be two different words with two different meanings:
      then is for time or consequence,
      than is for comparison.

      If A then B; first A then B

      x is greater than y; x is more than y

      The correct second sentence is:
      "...more like a simple case of intrusion than any kind of intrusion"

    89. Re:thank God they didn't have computers.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes, sharing the computer's password with the students was a moronic stunt. Do they make teachers serve detention in that school?

    90. Re:thank God they didn't have computers.... by Mr+D+from+63 · · Score: 1

      Your assumption has no basis.

    91. Re:thank God they didn't have computers.... by Mr+D+from+63 · · Score: 1

      No, what I described is giving a kid a little dose of reality and a chance to realize that actions have consequences. Too bad if you can't appreciate that important life lesson. It may be the best thing that ever happened to him, or he may ignore it and continue getting into trouble. Don't think for a minute this is his first run in.

    92. Re:thank God they didn't have computers.... by Mr+D+from+63 · · Score: 1

      A felony charge will follow that child around for the rest of his life.

      Not if it is dropped.

    93. Re:thank God they didn't have computers.... by BonThomme · · Score: 1

      In the 80's I almost got kicked out of college for accessing the internet (BITNET, actually).

    94. Re:thank God they didn't have computers.... by Shakrai · · Score: 3, Informative

      I can only speak for New York State; in NYS when charges are dropped/dismissed or the defendant acquitted you receive a canned "Order of Dismissal" from the court. This order provides that:

      1. Records of the arrest held at the State level are sealed in almost all instances, with specified exemptions, one of which is pistol license applications. Apply for a NYS pistol license and they can and will obtain the sealed records.
      2. All copies of fingerprints taken by the State are ordered to be destroyed or returned to the defendant.
      3. The State Court asks the Feds to destroy any copies of records transmitted to them by the State of New York after your arrest.

      The astute observer will note the bolded part of #3; virtually all local/state arrests in the United States are reported to the FBI by your State's clearinghouse. In New York State it's the Division of Criminal Justice Services. They usually transmit your fingerprints to the Feds too. If you think the Feds are deleting these records because some State Court asks (not orders) them to I've got a bridge to sell you.....

      For what it's worth, the FBI won't disclose records in most instances, except to the applicable parties (i.e., you, via a FOIA request), so it's not something that will show up on a private background check. It will show up as part of any Federal background investigation (i.e., for a security clearance) and is almost certainly made available to State and Local law enforcement authorities.

      Another thing to keep in mind: If you're asked whether or not you've ever been arrested and choose to lie about it you may well have committed a crime, depending on the circumstances. A verbal lie to a private citizen or employer? Most likely not a crime. A written lie, i.e., an employment application? In New York State it could be considered a forged instrument.

      The other hole that exists is the public record. If you make the police blotter in the local paper it's almost certainly going to go online and get captured by Google. At that point there isn't a court in the world that's powerful enough to make it go away. The United States has no right to be forgotten, so that shit is going to be out there for your entire life, available to anyone who is smart enough to look for it.

      In my particular case I was lucky, the police had it in their heads that I had information on co-conspirators, and they very deliberately kept it out of the blotter hoping that I would roll on them. The only records that exist of my arrest are held in Albany and Washington, available only under select circumstances, and I've yet to come across an employment application that asks about arrests. Most only care about convictions, and I answer "No" to that question in good faith.

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      We are the United States Government! We don't do that sort of thing.
    95. Re:thank God they didn't have computers.... by Shakrai · · Score: 1

      If I were the student, I would have defended myself by saying "my home machine password is the same, i just tried it and it worked, what a coincidence!"

      You've got a 1 in 10,000 chance of that working with my ATM card; let me know if that legal defense passes muster if you drain my account and get caught.

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      We are the United States Government! We don't do that sort of thing.
    96. Re:thank God they didn't have computers.... by Any+Web+Loco · · Score: 1

      It's funny because it's true!

    97. Re:thank God they didn't have computers.... by linuxrocks123 · · Score: 1
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    98. Re:thank God they didn't have computers.... by Mr+D+from+63 · · Score: 1

      interesting. Thanks

    99. Re:thank God they didn't have computers.... by Jack+Griffin · · Score: 1

      I think the problem here is that teachers are not technically literate as the kids (my wife is a teacher, I work in IT so am very familiar with this type of thing).
      So the kid has unauthorised access to a computer system, which may or may not have personal and or sensitive information on it. The school has a duty to report it in case of the worst case scenario (what if it was an actual breach and they didn't report it? Can't win).
      What causes this is that school or Dept has no resources to address this themselves (Tax cuts! Yee haa!), so rely on an equally underfunded Police dept to help out. The cops are in the same boat, and are only doing what their underfunding allows them. Underfunding generally results in undertrained staff, which is the cause of most stupid decisions).
      So the root cause is politics on both sides always selling tax cuts for votes. Quality services cost money. And money comes from taxes. If you want better services at some point we have to be prepared to pay for it.

    100. Re:thank God they didn't have computers.... by Jack+Griffin · · Score: 1

      I'm not sure the school over-reacted. They are not computer experts, how do they know if there isn't something more serious going on? What if the kid changed school reports, and then changed the wall paper? That would be a felony, and therefore only course of action the school has is to report it to ensure their liability is covered. Now whether the police proceed with charges is another matter, but I can't see how the school has much choice (unless the dept has it's own computer security team on-call for internal investigations - which I highly doubt)

    101. Re:thank God they didn't have computers.... by Jack+Griffin · · Score: 1

      What you've just described is a police state using tactics of fear and intimidation to subjugate the public. That's what you're defending here!

      No it isn't. There's no police state, and no subjugation, there is a repeat offender with a history who can continue down their course of behaviour, or can be "scared straight" with a little applied pressure. It's a common tactic that has been used for centuries. I've been on that road myself so know first hand of it's effectiveness.

    102. Re:thank God they didn't have computers.... by Jack+Griffin · · Score: 1

      this quote from Jack Tramiel (of Commodore)
      But that's why we need more Commodores.

      Sorry but what are you talking about? The only context I know of "Commodore" is a band with Lionel Ritchie, a big cheese in a navy, or a shit car made in Australia. But none of these work here?

    103. Re:thank God they didn't have computers.... by nctritech · · Score: 1

      The computer company that beat the pants off both Apple and IBM in the home computer market throughout all of the 1980s and the start of the 1990s until Tramiel left (and then it all went to shit due to gross mismanagement). https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...

    104. Re:thank God they didn't have computers.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Felons can vote in most places.

    105. Re:thank God they didn't have computers.... by Jack+Griffin · · Score: 1

      Oh that Commodore! When you said we need more Commodores I assumed it was some group of people. How would more computers help?

    106. Re:thank God they didn't have computers.... by nctritech · · Score: 1

      He was quoting Jack Tramiel, the founder of Commodore International. Commodore's computers enjoyed over a decade of success against Apple and IBM as well as the game systems of the late 1970s through early 1980s because they were unorthodox and clever with their marketing (Commodore computers were sold at toy stores in the same display cases as electronic game consoles, for example), they ruthlessly found ways to cut prices, and they didn't even bother trying to be the next IBM. Commodore was successful because they didn't play in the boundaries of the established computer and electronics industries. That's what the point of the statement was.

    107. Re:thank God they didn't have computers.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      we don't really know the backstory - the article clearly intends to provoke rather than inform. Maybe this kid is problematic and authorities see him headed for real trouble and care enough to "scare him straight"? Don't know, can't say but I always find parenting from afar with inadequate information is dangerous!

    108. Re:thank God they didn't have computers.... by Jack+Griffin · · Score: 1

      Ok got it now. Brain engaged, hamsters are slowly turning the wheels...

    109. Re:thank God they didn't have computers.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It isn't zero tolerance in this case, the kid has previously been suspended for similar behaviour. He was stupid to repeat this behaviour and get caught doing it.

      I still think it is an overreaction, but not quite as much of one as the summary makes out.

    110. Re:thank God they didn't have computers.... by cwsumner · · Score: 1

      See Good Samaritan law

      What's funny about these is that many of them coexist with legal precedent establishing that the police have no duty to protect citizens. So in New York for example, cops have no requirement to interfere, but ordinary citizens can be guilty of a crime if they do not.

      I have never heard of a requirement that bystanders interfere. But it is quite true that the Police do not have any requirement to protect individual citizens. (Contrary to popular opinion!)

      For one thing, in the US it is assumed that citizens can protect themselves, at least long enough for the Police to get there. For another, it is impractical because the Police would be sued after every crime and would have no time to protect anyone.

      The actual job of the Police is to arrest criminals -after- the crime. Most Police try to protect people as best they can, but they can't be everywhere.

      There are places where the Police are tasked with protecting everyone, they are technically called "Police States". And it is generally agreed around the world that no one really wants to live in a Police State.

    111. Re:thank God they didn't have computers.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Right, as if there's ANY noticeable difference between "Democrats" and "Republicans".

    112. Re:thank God they didn't have computers.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Spot... fucking... on!!!

    113. Re:thank God they didn't have computers.... by PPalmgren · · Score: 1

      I finally got around to watching The Blind Side last night, good movie. There's a funny quip near the end where they're hiring a tutor, and before she's hired she admits to being a democrat, like it would immediately take her out of hiring possibilities (this took place in Mississippi). Later on, the parents joke with each other in "Who thought we'd have a black son before we were friends with a Democrat?" I got a good laugh out of it.

    114. Re:thank God they didn't have computers.... by Shadowkahn · · Score: 1

      That's a bit hyperbolic. If you catch a little kid swiping a toy from a store, and you scare the hell out of him by making him think the angry cop is going to haul him off to jail where he can't be with his mommy and daddy, you aren't using fear and intimidation to subjugate the public, you're using fear and intimidation to hopefully stop the kid from thinking that stealing is fun and profitable, and therefore hopefully keep him from becoming a more serious criminal down the road and ending up in jail.

      I would argue that breaking and entering and then just looking around and maybe leaving funny souvenirs behind, whether they're breaking into a physical house or a computer, is not something that should be encouraged.

      In a real-world analogue, the kid found the teacher's house key and instead of returning it to him or throwing it in the trash, used it to let himself in to the teacher's house and rearrange the furniture. That's not okay either.

      The overreaction was stupid, and I agree with an earlier poster who asked why schools call the cops for shit like this so much, but the kid should not have gotten off without consequences - just, those consequences should have been dished out by the school instead of the criminal prosecution system.

    115. Re:thank God they didn't have computers.... by reve_etrange · · Score: 1

      I have never heard of a requirement that bystanders interfere.

      I accidentally conflated Good Samaritan laws with duty to rescue, and apparently misremembered New York as an example. Such laws do exist in several states however.

      There are places where the Police are tasked with protecting everyone, they are technically called "Police States".

      Police state is a term denoting government that exercises power arbitrarily through the police. There has never been such a state, which tasked its police with "protecting everyone."

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    116. Re:thank God they didn't have computers.... by cwsumner · · Score: 1

      There are places where the Police are tasked with protecting everyone, they are technically called "Police States".

      Police state is a term denoting government that exercises power arbitrarily through the police. There has never been such a state, which tasked its police with "protecting everyone."

      That is the popular meaning, but keep in mind that wikipedia is neither complete nor always accurate. (After all, it is on the Internet!) 8-)

      The idea of protecting everyone all of the time is often the "wedge" that is used to start the totalitarian states. It is an excuse, of course. At least for some of those proposing it. But countries would not be "suckered into" such things if they did not think they were gaining something benificial.

      I was going by the "technical" meaning of the term.

    117. Re:thank God they didn't have computers.... by reve_etrange · · Score: 1

      The idea of protecting everyone all of the time is often the "wedge" that is used to start the totalitarian states.

      Can you name one where this was true? In Nazi Germany, the Soviet Union and China, political control and ideological purity were the motivation and the wedge.

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      .: Semper Absurda :.
    118. Re:thank God they didn't have computers.... by cwsumner · · Score: 1

      The idea of protecting everyone all of the time is often the "wedge" that is used to start the totalitarian states.

      Can you name one where this was true? In Nazi Germany, the Soviet Union and China, political control and ideological purity were the motivation and the wedge.

      There was also the idea that the police control was acceptable because they would protect everyone, and that was "why" they needed extrodinary powers. No government comes into control without some reason to placate the people, unless it is a foreign invasion. And some times even then. After all, the people outnumber the government "want-to-be's".

    119. Re:thank God they didn't have computers.... by reve_etrange · · Score: 1

      In Nazi Germany, people accepted totalitarian rule because of economic growth, low unemployment and resurgent nationalism. In China and USSR, there was growth, redistribution and nationalist fervor. Extraordinary police powers were viewed as costs worth accepting in light of the real progress that had occurred.

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    120. Re:thank God they didn't have computers.... by thedonger · · Score: 1

      Wrong.

      It's a crime. It's a computer crime, and you're supposed to know that.

      By the letter of the law it is a computer crime, but by intention it is an act of vandalizing a computer. Those are two very different things. If he looked up test answers, changed grades, or altered attendance records, then I would accept it as a computer crime. This is an instance of blind application of a law.

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    121. Re:thank God they didn't have computers.... by CaptainDork · · Score: 1

      Your first sentence does describe the law.

      The rest of your paragraph is nonsense.

      It's important that you protect yourself and your employer, your coworkers and your students.

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      It little behooves the best of us to comment on the rest of us.
  4. Insanity by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    Can we just give Florida back to Spain or something?

    1. Re:Insanity by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And what state do you live in?

    2. Re:Insanity by OhSoLaMeow · · Score: 5, Funny

      And what state do you live in?

      Denial.

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      They can take my LifeAlert pendant when they pry it from my cold dead fingers.
    3. Re:Insanity by scrib · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I live in Florida and this embarrasses me.
      However, I think giving Florida back to Spain might fix the problem. I don't think this is a Florida problem as much as a U.S. problem. In this country, we criminalize everything and take common sense out of the picture.

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    4. Re:Insanity by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Global Warming is way ahead of you there - it will soon be the new Atlantis.

    5. Re:Insanity by schwit1 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      THE problem is a lack of consequences when government officials act like asshats ... unless one of them shoots a guy in the back 8 times.

    6. Re:Insanity by charles84 · · Score: 3, Funny

      No, we don't want it. All transactions are final.

    7. Re:Insanity by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And I bet the Courts, Police and Lawmakers all cry and whine that they don't have enough jail space, or that they need more money to go after MORE people and activities.

    8. Re:Insanity by Thud457 · · Score: 1

      let's check in on the adventures of Floridaman , champion of the people.

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    9. Re:Insanity by turkeyfish · · Score: 1

      Don't worry, with a 6 ft sea level rise expected within 50-75 years much of Miami and the coastal cities in Florida will be inundated, so this problem will largely take care of itself. The irony is that all those mansions in Palm Beach will be among the first to go.

    10. Re:Insanity by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Fine, but I've got dibbs on the mouse.

    11. Re:Insanity by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      When viewed on a map, Florida makes it look like we're shitting on Cuba. It just hasn't pinched off yet.

    12. Re:Insanity by Anubis+IV · · Score: 1

      You can take Florida out of the States, but you can't take the States out of Florida. Moving it to Spanish control wouldn't fix anything, since half the population will still be snowbirds.

    13. Re:Insanity by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      THE problem is a lack of consequences when government officials act like asshats ... unless one of them shoots a guy in the back 8 times.

      ...with two cameras recording largely the whole thing.

      Had to make the implied prose explicit.

    14. Re:Insanity by CannonballHead · · Score: 4, Funny

      Everyone knows Denial isn't a state, it's a river.

    15. Re:Insanity by parkinglot777 · · Score: 1

      unless one of them shoots a guy in the back 8 times.

      The arrest wouldn't happen still if there was no video of him shooting (i.e. using only the video from police car's dashboard).

    16. Re:Insanity by Sir_Eptishous · · Score: 1

      Think of the children.

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    17. Re:Insanity by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That is some LOL funny stuff.

      And they say California is the land of fruits and nuts.

    18. Re:Insanity by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I live in Florida and this embarrasses me.
      However, I think giving Florida back to Spain might fix the problem. I don't think this is a Florida problem as much as a U.S. problem. In this country, we criminalize everything and take common sense out of the picture.

      Yes, exactly this.

      The fact that Flori-Duh has more people willing and able to showcase dumbass laws does not detract from the overall problem..

    19. Re:Insanity by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      -rimshot-

      I'm here all week. Try the veal.

    20. Re:Insanity by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      ... unless one of them shoots a guy in the back 8 times.

      Hey, that's not a problem -- unless it gets recorded on (non-police) video.

    21. Re: Insanity by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I perfectly agree with you. Officials doing idiotic things like these should be fired right away because they just proved to not have basic common sense. This kind of imbeciles can be extremely dangerous when given any kind of power.

    22. Re:Insanity by sconeu · · Score: 1

      To be fair, I'm willing to be Californiaman, if it keeps Kim Kardashian and Kanye West out of California!!!

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    23. Re:Insanity by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well we certain don't want the original colonies back Britian has enough nut jobs in power already,

    24. Re:Insanity by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      THE problem is a lack of consequences when government officials act like asshats ... unless one of them shoots a guy in the back 8 times.

      *and* gets caught on video doing so. Otherwise we all know there would have been zero consequences.

    25. Re:Insanity by BarbaraHudson · · Score: 1

      Don't worry, with a 6 ft sea level rise expected within 50-75 years much of Miami and the coastal cities in Florida will be inundated, so this problem will largely take care of itself. The irony is that all those mansions in Palm Beach will be among the first to go.

      How much do you want to bet that those mansions get relocated to higher ground at public expense because the owners have $$$? It will be a bail-out to keep them from having to bail out their mansions 24/7.

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    26. Re:Insanity by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      THE problem is a lack of consequences when government officials act like asshats ... unless one of them shoots a guy in the back 8 times.

      1) No trial has been held nor penalty assigned. Even with the shooting and planting of evidence on video, I'm going to wait for sentencing before I stipulate that shooting a guy in the back 8 times involves consequences. 2) a beat cop is about as low on the 'government official' scale as you can go.

    27. Re:Insanity by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Here in Maryland, kids can steal cars and typically don't prosecuted or even juvenile detention.

    28. Re:Insanity by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      ...unless one of them shoots a guy in the back 8 times on camera.

      Fixed that for you ...

    29. Re:Insanity by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And there are camera's taping it. Don't forget that prerequisite.

  5. Abusive authority breeds abusers, not obedience by Art+Popp · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The question every person in authority should be in the habit of asking is: "Am I using the least amount of my authority possible to accomplish my immediate goals?"

    To get a peace officer badge, A Clockwork Orange should be mandatory viewing with a discussion to follow, and an arrest for not understanding it. I think peace officers who don't understand the point of that movie are at least as likely to commit serious crimes as 8th graders who tamper with screen savers. I'm willing to be proven wrong.

    1. Re:Abusive authority breeds abusers, not obedience by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      These are K-12 schools, which are chronically underfunded, so the top tier teachers move the heck on when they can.

      The only thing that is funded with most of these schools is the "schools to prisons" pathway. This is because private prisons make a lot of cash hauling and storing teenagers... and the Florida juvi system doesn't allow for determinate sentences. The private jails decide to either let the kids out when they feel like it, or when the kid turns 23... usually the latter.

      Of course, a 23 year kid with zero job skills and only bars to look at will likely wind up back behind bars... but with adult crimes, so it means more money for the private prisons.

    2. Re:Abusive authority breeds abusers, not obedience by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

      There are people who have seen this pattern and are doing something about it:

      http://www.seattletimes.com/se...

      I'm hoping the numbers prove that it can be expanded to the many other places where simply jailing the offender doesn't make the world a better place.

    3. Re:Abusive authority breeds abusers, not obedience by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      And I in turn think that people who do not know the difference between wallpaper and a screen saver should not be allowed to use computers. Or at the very least should not be granted administrator privileges.

    4. Re:Abusive authority breeds abusers, not obedience by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Their immediate goal was revenge, not justice. That throws the "least authority" concept right out the window.

    5. Re:Abusive authority breeds abusers, not obedience by JaredOfEuropa · · Score: 2

      There are long range goals as well, and in some cases it may be worth trying to "scare straight" a teenager by hauling him off in a police cruiser and reading him the riot act down at the station. In this case, it should stop short of actually bringing those charges.

      Suppose your neighbour's kid notices you often leave the back door unlocked when you leave for a short errant, so next time you step out he:
      1) Sneaks in and leaves a turd on the dinner table
      2) Sneaks in and steals your wife's fresh baked apple pie
      3) Sneaks in and makes off with your new iPad.

      The 1st case is pretty innocent, the 2nd not so much and the 3rd is pretty serious. So you grab him the first time and make it abundantly clear that he'll be in a whole mess of trouble if it comes to case #3 (not to mention he might spook grandma and get both barrels of her 12 gauge, to name another possible consequence). Same with computer crime. Using a teacher's password is serious. The consequence for changing a screen background should be a stern warning, and nothing less, because next time he'll be after next week's test papers.

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    6. Re:Abusive authority breeds abusers, not obedience by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      _I_ agree with your sentiments, but you and too many others don't understand the psychologically dysfunctional makeup of people who desire power. And it's steadily getting worse and worse and worse. Most aspects of our society breed it. Why do you think the cops like to parade "suspects" in handcuffs? Why does the news media stir up frenzy over small things? Because we need more govt. control and power to tame the terrible plague of bad people. (that last sentence was sarcasm for you who might not have understood.) You're either part of the iron-fist control structure or you're sheep.

      Why are people always so shocked when cops murder unarmed citizens? Are people really not aware of the rallying and coaching that's being done? Are people not aware that cops are recruited based on a desire to fire that gun? The slightest provocation and out comes the gun. Do they train to shoot you in the foot? Nope, it's always to kill. The same mentality is being applied to the 8th grader. The control-freaks are going to show us who is in charge. And when the people start complaining, they'll make an example of one bad cop (SC shooting) and the people will calm down and watch baseball and drink beer and overeat.

      The USA was designed with checks and balances. Over the years they've been eroded away. We the People have no power. We vote for a very tiny bit of our govt., and even they have no legal requirement to do what they promised while campaigning. Most of the govt. does what it wants to. Congress gives these agencies far too much power. Congress is 1) overwhelmed, 2) too busy campaigning, 3) too busy schmoozing with the rich, and 4) lazy.

      And then you have that carrot out in front of the horse- the next great hope of rising politicians who will fix everything. Just like Obummer did. Oh that's right, the rich can legally buy Cuban cigars now, so he's a hero.

    7. Re:Abusive authority breeds abusers, not obedience by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This...

      The comments on this story don't seem terribly honest. So as long as I don't do anything 'considered' malicious to a system I'm not supposed to access, I should be given a pass? That's essentially what people here are saying. Maybe I change the bash prompt to exclude the hostname... completely benign, but per /. a-okay because well I didn't do any damage.

      UNAUTHORIZED ACCESS IS UNAUTHORIZED ACCESS.

    8. Re:Abusive authority breeds abusers, not obedience by CronoCloud · · Score: 1

      I'm with you, it's still unauthorized access.

        I think the kid should be charced with something like "Criminal Mischief" and should recieve "community service" with a suspended short juvenile detention (say a weekend) term on condition of not violating terms of that suspension. That should be enough of a "scared straight" incentive.

      He's 14, that's old enough to know better, or at least know to NOT put a "two guys" background and use Rickroll or grumpycat instead.

    9. Re:Abusive authority breeds abusers, not obedience by sjames · · Score: 2

      Actually, followup studies suggest that the scared straight approach leads to more offenses in the future.

      A juvenile prank (and that's all this was) calls for the more conventional consequences such as detention, writing an essay, note to parents and such. Perhaps a suggestion in the parent's note that they should change the kid's wallpaper to "Barney and Friends" for a week.

    10. Re:Abusive authority breeds abusers, not obedience by njnnja · · Score: 2

      I think you have the ordering wrong. If someone defecated on my dinner table I would never eat off that table again. He might as well have set fire to it. And since the table is worth more than the iPad, I think the first scenario is actually the worst.

      It seems like a small thing, but it does highlight how something like theft is easy to judge the seriousness of; namely, stealing a $2 candy bar isn't as bad as stealing a $20 shirt, which isn't as bad as stealing a $20,000 car. But sometimes it can be difficult to judge the damage of vandalism, and the vandal almost always thinks it is a smaller deal than the vandalized. So let's say someone is going to slash somebody's tire. The vandal might think that it is no big deal, like a $50 tire that needs to be replaced. But the vandalized is thinking "I'm going to be late to work to deal with this, so I'm losing pay, and I have to make sure that the tire salesman gives me a good price on an equivalent tire, etc etc"

      Having said all that, it certainly seems like calling the police for this particular incident of vandalism is way overkill, but (playing devil's advocate a little), what if the administration is totally technologically ignorant, and think that this kind of situation requires a $300/hour consultant to come in and "clean" the "infected" machine? Stupid people have all types of higher costs, and if you make them incur those costs, they will blame you, not themselves.

    11. Re:Abusive authority breeds abusers, not obedience by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I was once threatened with defacing government property and dismissal for changing the background color of the desktop, and adding shortcuts to some files I use regularly on my work computer.

      Yes, I work for the federal government.

      No, I am not making this up.

    12. Re:Abusive authority breeds abusers, not obedience by DarkOx · · Score: 2

      If someone defecated on my dinner table I would never eat off that table again.

      Really why? I mean you know we have things like disinfectants and such that would make it entirely safe right? A little soap water, and some elbow grease to clean it, then follow it with a little Lysol (which probably from a health stand point isn't even needed) and it should be cleaner and more germ free than before there was a turd on it.

      Have you ever been around small children or had sick pet? If your standard is must dispose of anything that has even been in contact with fecal matter must be disposed of you had better avoid both pets and children or be prepared to replace all your furniture several times over.

      That said I would much my ordering of things would be:
      Pie theft
      Turd leaving
      iPad theft

      I mean Pie's are cheap and easy to make. If the wife does not feel like making another we can just go get ice-cream or something. Occasionally turds have to be cleaned up, that comes with life and I can handle it, but I'd rather bake a pie. The iPad is pretty pricy.

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    13. Re:Abusive authority breeds abusers, not obedience by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Since you were a fan of some sort of moderation, I'll conceded the point that an experiment to see if "scared straight" will ever actually save ANYONE from a criminal career will ever work. I'd be willing to give it a try.

      Your examples are all significantly greater crimes than typing 10 characters on a keyboard and a couple mouse-clicks. If the article had read: Kid gets 3 detentions for changing teacher's background image, I think the slashdot crowd would have been saying: "Kid, stop doing that." But the idea that a truly harmless prank that gets played at school gets police attention seems like a symptom of the same prejudice against hacking-skills that the /. community has grown tired of seeing.

    14. Re:Abusive authority breeds abusers, not obedience by njnnja · · Score: 1

      I have kids and a cat and yes, mistakes have been made. But a dining room table? I guess it depends on the table. Mine doesn't have a good sealant so if you were to drop oil or food coloring on it it would definitely stain. And while I can live with a hairball stain on the carpet, I wouldn't want to live with a s#*! stain on the table where I eat.

    15. Re:Abusive authority breeds abusers, not obedience by mrchaotica · · Score: 1

      So as long as I don't do anything 'considered' malicious to a system I'm not supposed to access, I should be given a pass?

      When you're a damn middle-school kid? Yes!

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    16. Re:Abusive authority breeds abusers, not obedience by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      power not used is power lost!

    17. Re:Abusive authority breeds abusers, not obedience by penguinoid · · Score: 1

      There really really needs to be some more direct enforcement of the Constitution. We do, after all, already have a rule (as the highest law of the land) forbidding cruel and unusual punishment.

      The world would be a much better place if assholes who unconstitutionally try to ruin a child's life forever for changing a desktop background, could be punished for their crime.

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    18. Re:Abusive authority breeds abusers, not obedience by Jack+Griffin · · Score: 1

      Actually, followup studies suggest that the scared straight approach leads to more offenses in the future.

      Well it must be true then. Because you said right here, without the need for a citation or anything...

    19. Re:Abusive authority breeds abusers, not obedience by sjames · · Score: 1

      FOADIAF

    20. Re:Abusive authority breeds abusers, not obedience by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      1) Sneaks in and leaves a turd on the dinner table
      2) Sneaks in and steals your wife's fresh baked apple pie

      The 1st case is pretty innocent, the 2nd not so much and the 3rd is pretty serious.

      I am sorry 1) is much more serious than 2).

      Turd on the dinner table is not "pretty innocent"

      Theft is bad, but one apple pie is not a big deal. The turd is worse.

  6. I probably would've gotten the death penalty... by Dimwit · · Score: 5, Funny

    Hah. On the Windows 3.1 systems at my high school I would change the screensaver message to something like "FUCK THA POLICE" or whatever and then use the ATTRIB command to mark WIN.INI as read-only, meaning it was impossible to change the message back using the UI.

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    1. Re:I probably would've gotten the death penalty... by rjforster · · Score: 5, Informative

      The Windows logo in the Flying Windows screensaver was from the Wingdings font. Using Wordpad you could edit the screensaver binary and change the character that gets displayed to another one from that font. So at various times in the Win3.1 era people around me were found to have flying smiley faces, flying skull and crossbones etc.

    2. Re:I probably would've gotten the death penalty... by avandesande · · Score: 1

      How about the 'Hot Dog Stand' theme? That was handy too!

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    3. Re:I probably would've gotten the death penalty... by SoCalChris · · Score: 4, Funny

      Back in Windows 3.1, you could use qbasic to write a file with a non-standard filename, which would exceed the 8.3 format.

      8th grader me thought it was the height of comedy to write files with names like "[Teacher name] is dumb" to the desktop.

      Any attempt to remove or rename the file using the command line or UI would cause Windows to crap all over itself and crash.

    4. Re:I probably would've gotten the death penalty... by Coren22 · · Score: 1

      I had a teacher that threatened to have me banned from the computer lab for playing games running off a floppy disk when my classwork was done.

      Sometimes it makes you wonder how they decide who runs the labs.

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    5. Re:I probably would've gotten the death penalty... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      NYC wingdings

    6. Re:I probably would've gotten the death penalty... by Oligonicella · · Score: 1

      The teacher, not you. How could s/he be sure you weren't importing viruses without wasting time each time checking after you were found out?

    7. Re:I probably would've gotten the death penalty... by Dimwit · · Score: 2

      How about the 'Hot Dog Stand' theme? That was handy too!

      I was mischievous, not evil!

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    8. Re:I probably would've gotten the death penalty... by omnichad · · Score: 1

      But without needing a password, it's not a violation of CFAA is it?

    9. Re:I probably would've gotten the death penalty... by Toshito · · Score: 2

      I used to swap the boot and shutdown pictures on my co-worker's computers back when we had win95.

      It was funny to see them panic when the computer was booting up and the message said "shutting down"...

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    10. Re:I probably would've gotten the death penalty... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      In my NT class we pulled the old Ctrl+PrntScreen, paste it into paint, and use that as the background. Then hide all the icons with group policy. Watching someone click on bogus icons is almost as much fun as crazy gluing a quarter to the floor.

    11. Re:I probably would've gotten the death penalty... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That reminds me of my first computer class ever.

      Several of us had our entire semester's work done, so we sat around playing games. The teacher was OK with this. Then, she realized we were playing games we had installed to the HDD, so she installed some stupid piece of software that prevented software installations. It didn't prevent us from running things from A:, but games took forever to load from there.

      We disabled it in its config file the next day and went back to playing Wolf3d. (You knew that had to be the game, right?)

      The next day, we couldn't disable it because its config file was read only. So we ATTRIB -R'ed the config file, disabled it, and went back to playing Wolf3d.

      The next day, ATTRIB.EXE was missing, so we couldn't play Wolf3d. Sad times.

      The next day, my Wolf3d floppy also included a copy of ATTRIB.EXE. We did the ATTRIB -R thing again and good times ensued.

      The next day, the teacher finally asked us how the hell we kept getting around her installation blocker. We explained it and she said that it was OK if we did that as long as we uninstalled anything we had installed by the end of the class each day.

      Notice how the situation was unwinnable by either side? And then how the whole thing was resolved when we all discussed it and sorted out a compromise that worked well enough for everyone to get most of what they wanted? So, yeah, I find the whole charge-them-with-felony-hacking thing to be pretty damned stupid and any teacher, school, and especially cop or prosecutor that goes along with that to be completely fucking negligent in their duties . Their job is to teach, manage a scholastic institution, keep the peace, and prosecute actual criminals, respectively. To waste their time doing this is simply incompetent.

    12. Re:I probably would've gotten the death penalty... by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      I went to an NT4 training with a bunch of fellow employees and I have this nasty habit of reading notes ahead while I'm bored. The first job was remote registry editing. But for my target, I picked someone who had a sense of humor...

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    13. Re:I probably would've gotten the death penalty... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You may have finished your work, but others in your class hasn't. If you start playing games, it would distract the others who are still working (we are talking about school age kids, not responsible adults). Also, you can start a precendent for other kids to start playing during class times regardless of whether they have finished their work.

      It is not just about you.

    14. Re:I probably would've gotten the death penalty... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I've known PKUNZIP to be able to create long filenames in DOS before Win95 was released. I presume that CHECKDSK would have removed any such nonsense. However, this sounds like a method that would have been generally more convenient. Back in the day, I was impressed by PKUNZIP's ability to violate a rule that was otherwise enforced by everything. However, I suspect I didn't know about hex editing, back in the day, and so I was limited to creating only the file that was specified by the downloaded *.ZIP file.

      Today I tried this:
      LET FILENAME$="z12345678"
      LET TEXT$="Hello"
      OPEN FILENAME$ FOR OUTPUT AS 1
      PRINT #1, TEXT$
      CLOSE 1

      It made a "Z1234567.8" file. Of course, I'm using NTFS and DOSBox, so DOSBox might not have done things the same way as MSDOS on a real FAT16 drive.
      Can you recall/obtain the source code that managed that feat?

    15. Re:I probably would've gotten the death penalty... by sad_ · · Score: 1

      I just changed the wallpaper to the most horrible picture i could find on rotten.com, then watch from a distance as the first person logs in and...
      aaah, good times.

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    16. Re:I probably would've gotten the death penalty... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      In college I used the net send command to send out a message, "The computer lab is shutting down for maintenance in 2 minutes. Save your work." What followed was hell on earth, fire, brimstone and a gnashing of teeth as the entire lab screamed in rage and attempted to lynch the lab administrators behind the admin desk. I also printed pictures on all the printers in the building of naked people doing the nasty I made with poser. I was kind of a bastard.

  7. Rare arguement for jury nullification by davidwr · · Score: 5, Insightful

    It's rare that a jury should exercise "jury nullification" but cases like these, where the punishment does not fit the crime, are one of them.

    Acquitting a guilty person when the charge is over-the-top for the circumstances sends a loud message to prosecutors to dial-it-back to something sane the next time around.

    If there wasn't a history of other students doing the same thing, filing misdemeanor criminal charges in juvenile court with a pre-arranged deal where they charges would be dismissed and the arrest expunged within 1-2 years would not be inappropriate.

    Because there is such a history, even this is too much. This should have been handled as an internal disciplinary and/or re-training matter for the student and, in parallel, for the faculty so this kind of thing doesn't happen again.

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    1. Re:Rare arguement for jury nullification by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I think to it shows a complete disconnect from what computers are and the seriousness of what the student did.

      If a teacher were to leave a spare set of keys to the Teacher Lounge under a mat and students saw this. Then some of students sneaked in and stole some coffee, etc. And one student sneaked in and changed one of the boring motivational posters to one of two men kissing. That would be the physical world equivalent of this crime!! No one in their right mind would charge the student with federal burglar charges.

      If this goes to court, Am hoping a several lawyers will write as a friend of the court with something like the above.

    2. Re:Rare arguement for jury nullification by MerlynEmrys67 · · Score: 2
      Very true.

      When did our schools become police states. I don't ever remember even seeing a police officer at my high school /*mumble*/ years ago (Now get off my grass). Now the schools have police officers on the property as an assignment, and trivial things like this become fully punishable by the state. What is wrong with two weeks suspension (Which I still think is heavy for a simple student prank) without needing to get the police involved and the threat of being arrested and tried as an adult (at 14 - really?)

      So yes, handle it as an internal school disciplinary issue, and don't have the police or local government get involved at all... There is no need to ruin children's lives at such a young age

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    3. Re:Rare arguement for jury nullification by flaming+error · · Score: 1

      " filing misdemeanor criminal charges in juvenile court with a pre-arranged deal where they charges would be dismissed and the arrest expunged within 1-2 years would not be inappropriate."

      What the hell are you smoking? It's a stupid classroom prank. Nothing that deserves to be called a crime happened here.

      If you cage kids up for 6 hours a day, they're going to test the fences. This is healthy and natural. Well, testing the fences is. The forced incarceration, not so much.

      And who cares if it ever happens again?

    4. Re:Rare arguement for jury nullification by pr0fessor · · Score: 1

      The first time he was caught according to the article he was suspended for three days, this time suspended for ten days and then pressed charges. From the article it sounds like after suspending him the first time they didn't change the password. Chances are he will be given a pretrial intervention and if he completes the program the charges will be dropped and not appear on his record.

    5. Re:Rare arguement for jury nullification by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      pretty sure its not a jury trial.

    6. Re:Rare arguement for jury nullification by WaffleMonster · · Score: 2

      It's rare that a jury should exercise "jury nullification" but cases like these, where the punishment does not fit the crime, are one of them.

      What is even rarer these days is the jury trial. With evolution of threat of insane sentences looming and nonsensical cost of litigation even the completely innocent dare not risk ignoring plea deals and settlement.

      Acquitting a guilty person when the charge is over-the-top for the circumstances sends a loud message to prosecutors to dial-it-back to something sane the next time around.

      Blemishing the record of a prosecutor constitutes a high crime against god that will not be tolerated under any circumstance.

    7. Re:Rare arguement for jury nullification by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Er, even if there were no history of other students doing this, it's nothing a damn good chewing out (and better password security by the staff) wouldn't resolve. This doesn't even warrant detention, unless perhaps the kid is a habitual asshole.

      I'm assuming they've taken it this far because they're so embarrassed about their poor IT security. Unfortunately, thanks to the internet, now everybody knows about them and they are far greater laughing stocks.

    8. Re:Rare arguement for jury nullification by Phil+Urich · · Score: 1

      I don't ever remember even seeing a police officer at my high school /*mumble*/ years ago (Now get off my grass).

      And even the grass has gotten more extreme since then.

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    9. Re:Rare arguement for jury nullification by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Jury nullification shouldn't be rare because of all the bogus laws that exist. It should be common. If a law (or the penalty for breaking said law) is unreasonable juries should acquit. It's one of the few ways that "common" people have to change things and right wrongs.

      Nullification is a huge part of the reason for having a jury decide cases.

    10. Re:Rare arguement for jury nullification by Etherwalk · · Score: 1

      If there wasn't a history of other students doing the same thing, filing misdemeanor criminal charges in juvenile court with a pre-arranged deal where they charges would be dismissed and the arrest expunged within 1-2 years would not be inappropriate.

      What are you smoking?

      Criminal charges are NOT appropriate for most juvenile behavior. Unless they're ganging up and physically attacking an adult, for example, you deal with it in a much less permanent way. Minor (unarmed, no injuries) Fighting in school once? Talk to them. Twice? Do push-ups until it's out of their system. Three times? Make them mop up the gym for a week.

      They are RARELY appropriate for adult behavior, even when it crosses the line of legality. They can seriously mess up someone's life. You usually should not bring criminal charges unless it's necessary to protect someone's life or safety.

    11. Re:Rare arguement for jury nullification by davidwr · · Score: 1

      Jury nullification shouldn't be rare because of all the bogus laws that exist.

      Or, "Jury nullification should be rare because the circumstances that would justify it should be rare."

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    12. Re:Rare arguement for jury nullification by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That's why they don't inform you about sentencing during the part of the trial to find guilt.

    13. Re:Rare arguement for jury nullification by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I think the jury should always nullify.
      What's the point of having a jury if they just do whatever the judge says?
      Might as well skip the trial and just have the judge read out a sentence.

    14. Re:Rare arguement for jury nullification by doug141 · · Score: 1

      Sometimes, the judge denies the right to jury nullification: http://billmoyers.com/segment/...

    15. Re:Rare arguement for jury nullification by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's rare that a jury should exercise "jury nullification" but cases like these, where the punishment does not fit the crime, are one of them.

      Acquitting a guilty person when the charge is over-the-top for the circumstances sends a loud message to prosecutors to dial-it-back to something sane the next time around.

      I came here to say something very close to what you have said. If I were on a jury, I'd be too pissed off at the prosecutor for even bringing charges that no matter how guilty the kid was (and he does appear to be guilty), I wouldn't vote to convict him.

      If I had done something like this when I was 14, and had gotten caught I'd probably be looking at detention one afternoon after school. Worst case scenario could have been expulsion (it was a private school so they can do that it they want to) but never would criminal charges have been brought up.

      I'm imagining a job interview with this guy in 15-20 years.

      "So, have you ever been arrested?"
      "Yes, once when I was 14"
      "So what did you do?"
      "I changed my teachers wallpaper on his computer to a couple of gay guys kissing."
      "LOL, good job. I see you have a sense of humor. You're hired, but if you ever do that to my computer I'll fire your ass, okay?"

  8. Well, yeah... by jargonburn · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Obviously, he should have set it to a photo of two women kissing. Then the teacher wouldn't have been so mad!

    1. Re:Well, yeah... by OzPeter · · Score: 0

      Obviously, he should have set it to a photo of two women kissing. Then the teacher wouldn't have been so mad!

      How do you know that the two "men" weren't really two transgendered women, who haven't yet requested various departments (DMV etc) to change to their gender, so officially are still female?

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    2. Re:Well, yeah... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      He should have set it to lemon party.

    3. Re:Well, yeah... by gstoddart · · Score: 4, Funny

      Well, it could have been 400 frogs in elaborate animatronic costumes ... but why the hell would we assume that?

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    4. Re:Well, yeah... by bughunter · · Score: 1

      Considering all the possibilities of what he *could* have changed it to, I think he showed admirable restraint...

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    5. Re:Well, yeah... by geogob · · Score: 1

      Obviously, he should have set it to a screenshot of the desktop. Fun times are sure to follow...

    6. Re:Well, yeah... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I did this in 4th grade, and it WAS funny as hell. Our dimwitted teacher wasted an entire period trying to open her programs, rebooting, etc.

  9. Felony hacking by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    More serious than misdemeanor manslaughter.

    1. Re:Felony hacking by jythie · · Score: 1

      Well, maybe and maybe not. Even at the federal level such violations can result in a simple fine or probation depending on the severity of the offense and criminal history of the person in question. Involuntary manslaughter on the other hand generally has minimums in the year range.

    2. Re:Felony hacking by SoCalChris · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Except with a felony conviction he'll automatically lose rights for life, and will have a much harder time getting a decent job once he's out of school.

    3. Re:Felony hacking by jythie · · Score: 1

      Not as much as one might think, esp if the person was a juvenile at the time. Though yeah, if they go through with this it could represent a rather long lived stain for the person. I am skeptical they would actually prosecute it as a federal crime though and probably scare the family into some kind of plea bargain involving community service and probation.

    4. Re:Felony hacking by pr0fessor · · Score: 1

      Green was released on Wednesday from Land O'Lakes Detention Center into the custody of his mother. He'll likely be granted pretrial intervention by a judge, sheriff's detective Anthony Bossone said.

      Since he is a juvenile if he has no prior record he will likely qualify for a pretrial intervention that doesn't require them to make a plea and if completed the charges are dropped and don't appear on the record.

    5. Re:Felony hacking by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Loses his right to vote, most of the jobs available in FL, his right to run for office, spends time in jail, and has his name associated with a felony restricting his dating potential. Yeah totally right, it's a really crowd pleaser of a charge, or maybe you should stop defending stupid charges like a chump.

    6. Re:Felony hacking by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      if I was the parent, I might be inclined to force them to take this to trial and bank on the unconstitutionality of the charges. I might want to make them put their money where there mouths are (their asses apparently). Even from the get-go no suspension should have occurred (and could have already exacerbated the situation), and the passwords should have immediately been changed. Period, stop.

    7. Re:Felony hacking by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      He's a juvenile. He gets to start fresh when he turns 18.

  10. True Justice. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Finally, we are teaching our children that justice is truly blind. It cannot see that we are charging the child, a 14 year-old, with a felony that will last the rest of his life. Never mind any jobs that the kid may try to get in the future. He is now a felon and shall be treated as such.

    Seriously though. He is just a child. I believe in making sure it is shown that what he did was wrong, but treating him as a full blown felon? Disgraceful.

    1. Re:True Justice. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Are you trying to appeal to the PLEASE THINK OF THE CHILDREN crowd? I think the issue here is changing someone's wallpaper shouldn't be a felony regardless of the age of the perpetrator.

    2. Re:True Justice. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Disgraceful, yes, but most states expunge criminal records for young people when they reach 18. This probably wont be a lifelong issue for the kid. (Though 4 years is far too long, and even a week of detention is probably overkill.)

    3. Re:True Justice. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Finally, we are teaching our children that justice is truly blind. It cannot see that we are charging the child, a 14 year-old, with a felony that will last the rest of his life. Never mind any jobs that the kid may try to get in the future. He is now a felon and shall be treated as such.

      Seriously though. He is just a child. I believe in making sure it is shown that what he did was wrong, but treating him as a full blown felon? Disgraceful.

      The ONLY good that would come from oppressive legal action would be a passive society that could give a shit if a person has a felony or not.

      Seriously, let them keep doing stupid shit under the guise of "terrorists" or "zero tolerance" for zero tolerances sake. When people walk around with felonies like traffic tickets, it'll make for a far more accepting society. Or perhaps one that will wake the fuck up and vote to say otherwise.

    4. Re:True Justice. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That's the real tragedy here. The fact that society would blacklist someone over a "crime" as simple as this. No one has even bothered to ask "What will this person be treated like in the future if they are convicted?" "How would the conviction be treated by society?" "Would society even give the person ANY chances to make amends after the conviction?" "What would society stand to loose by blacklisting this person so early in life? Before the person's potential can be truly realized?"

      If anything I believe all involved answered those questions with: 1. Criminal, 2. "He hacked the CIA!" 3. Zero-tolerance 4. "Does not matter. Once a criminal always a criminal, and we'll make sure of it, because they are not worthy of being a member of society."

      The fact this was not laughed out of court for such a stupid application of the law and a complete waste of the court's time, shows just how ignorant people are when it comes to computers. It's a VERY sad tragedy that this has happened, and we should all be ashamed of ourselves.

  11. Common Sense by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    That whoosh you heard was the last bit of common sense leaving the US's shores. Not that there has been much of it in the last couple of decades (almost none of it, really).

    1. Re:Common Sense by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That whoosh you heard was the last bit of common sense leaving the US's shores. Not that there has been much of it in the last couple of decades (almost none of it, really).

      I thought it was more a "Pweeeee" sound as there is not much left...

  12. Ignorant people frighten easily by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Interesting

    One time, I used a command prompt instruction to circumvent the 'security' our high school computer lab teacher had used to prevent students from accessing the Control Panel in Windows 3.1. The mouse tracking speed had been set too high, and the computer was difficult to use, so I fixed it. The teacher accused me of "hacking" and I was kicked out of the computer lab for the rest of the school year. That teacher probably still runs a computer lab; I grew up and went to work for Microsoft. I hope this kid is as lucky.

    1. Re:Ignorant people frighten easily by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      I grew up and went to work for Microsoft. I hope this kid is as lucky.

      How can you be so callous -- this kid is just a kid!!!

    2. Re:Ignorant people frighten easily by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I got suspended from using any of my school's computers for a semester because the librarian saw me type "dir" at a DOS prompt.

      The principal lectured me on the dangers of "getting into directories". I played dumb and hoped they'd leave me alone... I should have fought it.
      Oh well, I was in 7th grade, what did I know?

    3. Re:Ignorant people frighten easily by Etherwalk · · Score: 1

      One time, I used a command prompt instruction to circumvent the 'security' our high school computer lab teacher had used to prevent students from accessing the Control Panel in Windows 3.1. The mouse tracking speed had been set too high, and the computer was difficult to use, so I fixed it. The teacher accused me of "hacking" and I was kicked out of the computer lab for the rest of the school year. That teacher probably still runs a computer lab; I grew up and went to work for Microsoft. I hope this kid is as lucky.

      We had some kind of educational shell preventing you from running programs or getting to explorer, etc... on our high school computers. We found it hysterical that you could "insert an object" into a Word document. The object could be explorer.exe

      And there was SimTower and XCom. And there was much rejoicing.

    4. Re: Ignorant people frighten easily by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I was railroaded in 2002 in high school when some automated software discovered my source code on my user account, stored on a shared network drive. Our programming teacher was a math teacher learning one week ahead of us, and we got bored- so we wrote a basic application to open sockets for a rudimentary chat application.

      I was pulled into an office in the middle of a school day, surrounded by 5-6 adults, including a police officer, IT admin, principal, etc. They grilled me about the software, showing me printouts of my code with lines highlighted, accusing me of writing a trojan and attempting to hack the school. I explained what it was, no problem right?

      I was given a "one time sign here for a lesser charge" to admit guilt and get kicked off the network for a year. They pressed the "or else" and the consequences to my future and education if they "pressed charges".

      My parents were not informed, I was a stupid kid, and admitted guilt. I spent a year unable to participate in any PC based activities.

      In retrospect a lawyer could have bent them over the barrel. My parents were livid but I kept them at bay- I didn't need any more negative attention from the staff or the kids.

      The only saving grace was that it forced me to disengage from the whole system, and as a result eventually became more respected as I began to respect myself more. I became a different type of outcast, and became close with a lot of teachers and students who were sympathetic to my situation (including staff that I would help out with PC issues on the down-low).

      I was a criminal of the system, then got a full ride to a prestigious university, and a great career. What would have happened if I didn't sign that paper?

  13. AUP by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Most acceptable use policies would require the teacher to understand that actions taken with his credentials are his responsibility. As the teachers own password was used, he or she should bear the responsibilities of the action.

    1. Re:AUP by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      You're assuming the teacher can change the password. You may not have very much experience with IT departments at schools. The IT person should never allow silly passwords like this. No way it's the teacher's fault.

    2. Re:AUP by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      AUPs do not redefine felony laws. The student is being prosecuted for using the password without authorization. The fact that they set the desktop background has no bearing on the fact that they stole a password.

      I tend to agree that this is pretty minor and I don't like felony charges here, but the law here is kind of dumb regarding that as these are government computers.

    3. Re:AUP by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Not sure how an AUP would really play into this unless the teacher had willingly given their credentials to students, which isn't the case.
      Yes their password was apparently woefully inadequate but saying that it is their fault that the students used it is like saying that the victim of a burglary is at fault for only having one lock on their door that wasn't even a deadbolt.

    4. Re:AUP by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yea. where I work, if I fail to protect my password and something "bad" happens, then both myself and the actual culprit are subject to termination of employment due to "lack of due diligence". In this case, a _child_ (OK, is 14 a child?) did something like kids do. But the real culprit is the idiot teacher. Since he couldn't be bothered to take appropriate actions to protect his password, _he_ should have his computer priviliges revoked. Oh, wait, then he can't perform his required duties? Hum, guess we'll need to fire him for "being too stupid to know how to use a computer".

    5. Re:AUP by turkeyfish · · Score: 2, Insightful

      You don't understand. The photo that was placed on the screen clearly indicates this kid could grow up to be a Democrat. It is essential the felony charges stick so that this kids voting rights will be permanently eliminated.

    6. Re:AUP by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This provision is unenforceable.

  14. Bias in article? Or sarcasm? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Sheriff Nocco seems to be taking this threat seriously.

    This "threat". How refreshing would it be if Sheriff Nocco appropriately laughed at the teacher, said they had both done worse as kids, and lightly chastized the guy for wasting his time because he had real crimes to work on.

    But Nocco apparently wanted to send a message, and won't hesitate to lock up more teenagers for trying to use Skype in school.

    Message received. Chris Nocco was apparently Deputy Chief of Staff to the Speaker of the House Marco Rubio and a graduate of the FBI National Executive Institute. Seems our tax dollars being wasted on intimidating children is the real "threat" here.

  15. The good old days by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I did this to a friend, on his Christmas computer. Him, his father and his Marine buddies all seriously contemplated killing me. They were utterly furious and I didn't return for a long time. Of course, the gentleman featured on the desktop were unclothed in addition, but aren't we all, in a sense? Good fun, indeed.

    1. Re:The good old days by lister+king+of+smeg · · Score: 5, Funny

      I did this to a friend, on his Christmas computer. Him, his father and his Marine buddies all seriously contemplated killing me. They were utterly furious and I didn't return for a long time. Of course, the gentleman featured on the desktop were unclothed in addition, but aren't we all, in a sense? Good fun, indeed.

      Reminds me of a friend who was tired of his neighbor using his wifi so rather than putting a password on it, like a normal person, he instead used mac filtering to redirect all requests originating from unrecognized mac's to lemon party.

      --
      ---Saying gnome 3 is better than windows 8 not so much a compliment as it is damning with light praise.
    2. Re:The good old days by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Ah yes, the old "Christmas" computer. it's a good thing you didn't do it to his normal one, though.

    3. Re:The good old days by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Oh yeah, I remember doing that when the college kids in my apartment complex decided to abuse the free wifi I left open and drown my connection to a crawl. Redirected all port 80 requests to Goatse via an Apache instance, tail'd the access_log, and laughed maniacally for hours.

  16. Protect the children by davydagger · · Score: 3, Insightful
    Oh, wait, it seems that we only care about "protecting the children", when its an excuse to cram morals based on superstition and mythology, or we want to ban something with the intent of arresting people, or give the police new powers to arrest people, harshen sentances, or errode the rights of the accused.

    But really, there are some pretty loud crickets when the state gets a hardon for arresting/harrassing children.

    1. Re:Protect the children by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      I take a slight exception to Your observation because one really good moral "based on superstition and mythology" is to help and serve, such as adopting behaviors/norms/laws which reduce poverty and working to alleviate the suffering of Others. I do agree, however, Anyone moralizing about "protecting the children" should speak up if They want to be taken with any degree of sincerity.

    2. Re:Protect the children by davydagger · · Score: 1

      Your observation because one really good moral "based on superstition and mythology" is to help and serve, such as adopting behaviors/norms/laws which reduce poverty and working to alleviate the suffering of Others

      There is a stark diffrence between morales based on mutual aid, respect for the human condition, equality, and universal human rights, based on observation based facts, using controlled studies to determine cause and effect, than those based on superstition and mythology.

      The fact that we as a nation cannot tell the diffrence is part of the reason why we have such a high poverty rate, such a high incarceration rate, glorify criminals, and criminalize reformers.

      The biggest threat to our children is not some creep, pedophile, terrorist, or musician. Its school administrators, politicians, facebook, google, and rouge fire-and-brimestone preachers.

  17. On the tearcher by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    While the students should not be messing with the teacher's computers, this is on the teacher or teachers that are using their last names as passwords, and letting students see them type their passwords. What the student did was not something to be arrested for, just playing a prank.

    I once played a prank on a friend. I did a screenshot of his desktop, hid all of his icons in a folder, and set the screenshot as his wallpaper. The point is that kids will play pranks even on teachers that they like if they can. Don't want them messing with a computer? Use better password security, and don't let anyone see your keyboard when you type in passwords!

  18. Lock him up! by fustakrakich · · Score: 1

    It's the American way!

    --
    “He’s not deformed, he’s just drunk!”
  19. Tech illiteracy at its finest by mcfatboy93 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    If you obviously don't understand what the kid did, they how do you expect people to believe that your judgment is fair?

    Its clear in this situation the kid is the only one who knows that a computer isn't a magic box with pretty lights.

    --
    Its not my fault, someone put a wall in my way.
  20. Seems like a good lesson. by WarlockD · · Score: 2

    Sheriff warned that other teenagers caught doing the same thing will "face the same consequences

    1. Re:Seems like a good lesson. by Mr+D+from+63 · · Score: 1

      Yup, that is all this is. So much over reaction here. They were just scaring the kid and setting an example, then drop the charges, the kid walks and has learned a lesson.

      This is nothing new... cops have used lots of tactics to scare kids, throwing them in jail or stuff like that. Its a very effective approach.

    2. Re:Seems like a good lesson. by itzly · · Score: 1

      This is nothing new... cops have used lots of tactics to scare kids, throwing them in jail or stuff like that. Its a very effective approach.

      Not nearly as effective as a few bullets in the back, though.

    3. Re: Seems like a good lesson. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      People believe it is an effective approach.

      Actual effectiveness may be no better than placebo, and the appearance of tyranny is certainly weighing against it.

      Find a better way.

    4. Re:Seems like a good lesson. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I bet there's a very low recidivism rate when that tactic is employed!

  21. Re:Bias in article? Or sarcasm? by x0ra · · Score: 1

    How refreshing would it be if Sheriff Nocco appropriately laughed at the teacher, said they had both done worse as kids, and lightly chastized the guy for wasting his time because he had real crimes to work on.

    That's probably how 99.99% of sheriff/LEO reacts, and then, there is this 0.01% who seem to think they are white knights in shinny armor fighting a crusade which makes the other 99.99% looks like waffen-SS... I wonder if MSM have an agenda...

  22. Wow ... by gstoddart · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Sometimes you have to look at how these laws are being applied, and fight back the overwhelming urge to slap the stupid from the people who pursue these charges. And it might take a lot of slapping.

    This is a high school prank, nothing more.

    Honestly, the people who are filing felony charges of complete morons.

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    Lost at C:>. Found at C.
    1. Re:Wow ... by pr0fessor · · Score: 1

      Green had previously received a three-day suspension for accessing the system inappropriately. Other students also got in trouble at the time, he said. It was a well-known trick, Green said, because the password was easy to remember: a teacher's last name. He said he discovered it by watching the teacher type it in.

      My question is if he had already been suspended for a different incident with the same password why was the password not changed?

       

    2. Re:Wow ... by gstoddart · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Well, let's not make the lazy, incompetent people who run these computers and assigned terrible passwords out to be at fault here.

      That's just blaming the victim and using common sense.

      Honestly, anything he did after they already knew he had the password makes them complete idiots.

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      Lost at C:>. Found at C.
    3. Re:Wow ... by pr0fessor · · Score: 1

      The headline doesn't point out that as a juvenile with no prior record he will likely qualify for a diversion were he is on sudo probation might need to do some community service and if he successfully completes it the charges are dropped and there are no felonies on his record.

    4. Re:Wow ... by gstoddart · · Score: 1

      Honestly, this is using a cannon to swat a mosquito. The legal charges are grossly disproportionate to what he did.

      This is like putting teenagers who are almost adults on the sex offenders registry for taking pictures of their own junk.

      Basically it is criminalizing something WAY disproportionate to what happened.

      Potentially ruining the life of a kid for changing a desktop background? That sheriff is an incompetent fool, as is anybody else in the legal system who helps this happen.

      But then again, schools seem to just go to full stupid these days over stuff, because they're being ran by people who barely grasp the issues and act like petty dictators.

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      Lost at C:>. Found at C.
    5. Re:Wow ... by pr0fessor · · Score: 1

      There is guy on the sex offender list in my neighborhood on his 18th birthday his girlfriend's father had him arrested then when she turned 18 the next year and moved out she married him and had a restraining order placed against the father because he crashed the wedding and assaulted the groom.

       

    6. Re:Wow ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      >sudo probation

      Are you fucking kidding me?

      I'm so dumbfounded I can barely be bothered to make a joke about him shoulder surfing that password, too.

    7. Re:Wow ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Given the nature of the incident, I'd say removing him from sudoers for a probationary period would be a much more proportionate response than felony charges.

    8. Re:Wow ... by david_thornley · · Score: 1

      he is on sudo probation

      If I had sudo privileges there I'd do "sudo drop-charges" instead.

      --
      "When you have eliminated the unacceptable, whatever is left, however improbable, must be the truthiness" - Holmes
  23. Good! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Damn wallpaper changers. They are a menace to society! I can't count how many sleepless nights I have suffered worrying about someone changing wallpapers on computers. Soon anyone could be changing the wallpaper on their own computers. It's anarchy, I tell you!!

    Thank God the police are doing something about this.

  24. It's because the picture was gay by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    .. seriously. People (teacher, principal, cops, judge) presumably took great offence here because of the content. "Christian convervatives" don't tolerate homosexuality well, and *that* is the reason this kid had to be made an example of.

    The fact that the teacher didn't know how to choose a strong password, or the cops didn't understand this to be a meaningless prank does aggravate the sense that these authority figures are not only conservative, but relatively dumb too...

  25. Glad to hear by itzly · · Score: 1

    Glad to hear that the kid wasn't shot in the back 8 times while trying to get away.

    1. Re:Glad to hear by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Glad to hear that the kid wasn't shot in the back 8 times while trying to get away.

      8 shots yes. But it was 5 hits, 3 misses.

  26. Social Engineering 101 - grade A by WillAffleckUW · · Score: 1

    Congrats, student!

    Your instructor has been awarded an F grade.

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    -- Tigger warning: This post may contain tiggers! --
  27. But, Think of the Children by NoSalt · · Score: 0


    Oh, wait ...

  28. Corporate Diversity? by Nkwe · · Score: 0
    From the article:

    Green was released on Wednesday from Land O'Lakes Detention Center into the custody of his mother.

    Really? From the Land 'O Lakes website:

    Land O’Lakes, Inc. is one of America’s premiere member-owned cooperatives. We offer local cooperatives and agricultural producers across the nation an extensive line of agricultural supplies, as well as state-of-the-art production and business services. We also are a leading marketer of dairy-based food products for consumers, foodservice professionals and food manufacturers.

    I guess they need to add "We also provide a wide variety of incarceration services."

    1. Re:Corporate Diversity? by mythosaz · · Score: 2

      You kid, I'm sure, but Land O'Lakes is part of the Tampa Florida MSA.

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/L...

    2. Re:Corporate Diversity? by CronoCloud · · Score: 2

      There are PLACES in the US named "Land 'O Lakes", like the COMMUNITY where the facility is located:

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/L...

      that have nothing to do with "Land 'O Lakes" the dairy company/cooperative based in Minnesota

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/L...

    3. Re:Corporate Diversity? by mrchaotica · · Score: 1

      Of course, the fact that "prison with corporate sponsorship?" was even a reasonable possibility is pretty fucking sad in and of itself.

      --

      "[Regarding the 'cloud,'] ownership was what made America different than Russia." -- Woz

  29. My, how times have changed by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I actually hacked into my high school's Novell network when I was 15 (~20 years ago) and wasn't charged with any crime, though it was considered. I was suspended out of our school for 10 days and fined but that's it.

  30. What about the teacher? by txoutback · · Score: 1

    Maybe the teacher should be reprimanded for negligence.

    1. Re:What about the teacher? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No, the IT person who allows simple passwords should be reprimanded. And how do you know the teacher is even allowed to change the password?

  31. go back... by hitmark · · Score: 1

    a few decades and the kid would have been asked to do junior admin stuff after school.

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    comment first, facts later. http://chem.tufts.edu/AnswersInScience/RelativityofWrong.htm
  32. Glad it wasn't like this when I was a kid! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I would have been in serious trouble, messing with computers everywhere and anywhere was my thing from school, to the library, to the Radio Shack in the mall my friends and I would do all kinds of nefarious things like taking over the schools network by installing keystroke loggers in the library to gather all of the passwords and then locking the administrators out of the network. Logging in as someone else and spreading viruses in an attempt to get them into trouble. Suffice it to say I earned a pretty long ban on touching school computers, but if desktop wall paper is a felony I don't want to know what the damage I did would get.

    1. Re:Glad it wasn't like this when I was a kid! by omnichad · · Score: 1

      No kidding. Back when computers were on display and you could actually touch and play with them, I loved setting the start menu font color to the same as the background color. Same to the menus. And since they didn't know what to do about it, it would still be that way weeks later.

  33. What happened to Common sense by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    A basic ability to perceive, understand, and judge things, which is shared by ("common to") nearly all people, and can be reasonably expected of nearly all people without any need for debate.

    What is Common Sense? Exactly

  34. Ridiculous article title by WD · · Score: 4, Informative

    The student observed the teacher's keyboard while the password was typed in. The student then used that observed password to unlawfully gain access to the system in question.

    This has nothing to do with the wallpaper. The student leveraged unauthorized access to a system to do something.

    1. Re:Ridiculous article title by itzly · · Score: 1

      This has nothing to do with the wallpaper. The student leveraged unauthorized access to a system to do something.

      Yes, the student leveraged unauthorized access to change the wallpaper.

    2. Re:Ridiculous article title by LWATCDR · · Score: 1

      You idiot. How dare you point out that they title is pure flamebait!
      What will you do next? Logical discourse?
      What is the world coming too.

      --
      See my blog http://ilovecookes.blogspot.com/ for light hearted technical information.
    3. Re:Ridiculous article title by mythosaz · · Score: 4, Interesting

      I'm with you.

      He had already been busted and slapped on the wrist:

      Green had previously received a three-day suspension for accessing the system inappropriately. Other students also got in trouble at the time, he said. It was a well-known trick, Green said, because the password was easy to remember: a teacher's last name. He said he discovered it by watching the teacher type it in.

      The only problem here is that he's being charged with a felony, because hacking laws on the books don't make a distinction between "petty" hacking and "grand" hacking. There's no shoplifting equivalent on the hacking books; it's all grand theft auto.

      The teacher needs reprimanded by his IT department and his leadership (principal, union, whatever).
      The kid needs his wrist slapped, and and county attorney needs to decide not to file charges, charge him with some sort of misdemeanor mischief charge instead.

    4. Re:Ridiculous article title by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The student should just hold up a mobile phone displaying an image saying "You may not read this" in front of the teacher, and do the exact same thing to the teacher.

    5. Re:Ridiculous article title by bughunter · · Score: 1

      This is like charging someone with felony burglary for watching a neighbor hide his key under his doormat, then using it to gain entry and re-arrange the potted plants.

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      I can see the fnords!
    6. Re:Ridiculous article title by harperska · · Score: 1

      Felony burglary, no, as re-arranging potted plants is not itself a crime. It would be perfectly reasonable to charge that person with criminal trespass, however. Knowledge that the key is hidden under the doormat does not mean that you have the right to enter. In fact, the fact that it was hidden, even if weakly so, would imply that the intent is the opposite.

    7. Re:Ridiculous article title by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Where's caranalogyguy and pizzaAnalogyGuy when you need them?

      Suppose you whipped out your housekeys when you let me in to get some milk. I memorized the keys and made a rough copy that worked.

      Suppose the house key you used was one of those old-timey two-tooth jobbies with the gigantic ring on it from the 17th century.

      I don't have a point, I just think those old keys are cool and I want to use them on my house.

  35. Headline by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Headline seems kind of slanted to me. Didn't include the "two men kissing" part there trying to make it feel like the schools are overreacting. Always the problem with Slashdot.

    1. Re:Headline by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      The school IS overreacting!

      And on more than one level, too. Think there would have been the same reaction if he changed it to a picture of puppies? Heck no. But now the school had to "explain" why there was two guys kissing (THINKOFTHECHILDREN! They might see two MEN kissing. TWO MEN! Teh horrorz, and nazis will ride on dinos if we let it happen!).

      So we need to distract them! Have the boy charged with ... no matter what, but a lot! We need them to see that we don't accept that SMUT ... but without calling it smut, ya know, there's that hate-crime thing, and ... well, we can't be outraged 'cause he showed two guys kissing, but we want them fucking soccer moms to know that we won't let "SOMETHING LIKE THAT" happen at our school.

      Fuck those soccer moms.

      --
      We used to have a Bill of Rights. Now, with the rights gone, all we have left is the bill.
  36. Hate Crime by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Kid's lucky they didn't toss on a hate crime charge on top just to make sure he never saw the light of day again.

    1. Re:Hate Crime by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      Have the school be charged on it. After all, them complaining about him hacking is just a fig leaf excuse for being prejudiced against homosexuality!

      --
      We used to have a Bill of Rights. Now, with the rights gone, all we have left is the bill.
  37. CS will fill jail cells. by geekmux · · Score: 1

    So, with the continued attitude that anyone who changes a parameter from the default setting is suddenly a "terrorist", I can only assume that the push for more CS in schools today is nothing more than a lobbyist-driven push to fill privatized prisons.

    It might as well be, with felony threats against a 14-year old. Don't be surprised when you can't get any gender to fill a CS classroom with idiotic law enforcement reactions like this.

    1. Re:CS will fill jail cells. by omnichad · · Score: 2

      Prison workers are cheaper than H1B workers. Maybe there's a nefarious patriotic plot behind all this.

  38. Jesus. by serviscope_minor · · Score: 4, Informative

    I think I'd have been put away for life, if I was younger and in the US, or possibly tasered, charged with assulting a cop's fist with my face then shot.

    When I were a lad and the school computers ran Windows 95 (all spiffy and shiny and new they were), I created a trojan floppy which renamed and overwrote some key executables which autoexec.bat with my own ones. My ones passed on the arguments to the true ones so the boot process worked as usual and it was very hard to see that it was trojaned.

    Of course they were set to "go off" on a certain date as a prank on a teacher who was being a dick and who many people had complained about and nothing changed.

    All you had to do was slip in the floppy, reboot and it would install the trojan. Of course once word got around everyone wanted in on the act so I had to do very little of the legwork to trojan the entire computer lab.

    I got a "yeah very funny (snigger) don't do that again mmmmkay?" talk.

    And that was it.

    Come to think of it I was always pissing around and hacking.

    What is school if not a safe environment for kids to learn stuff and learn where the boundaries are?

    Everyone involved in this charge should be hounded out of office and publicly shamed for being reprehensible humans.

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    1. Re:Jesus. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I one helped a staff member some install a printer driver / network print on there system that was not there they had a smaller one in there office that did less stuff. And about 6mo later the IT guy found out and told be not to do that. By that time I was going to be done with the school in less them 6mo so If I really wanted to I could of done more stuff and by the time they found out I would of been done with that school.

    2. Re:Jesus. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I teach some introductory computer classes at a nurses school.
      One of the things I tell them, is "try everything and see what happens, you won't be able to do that at work or at home, so, if anything breaks, don't worry about it". They're nurses, not hackers and after a certain age, values change, but still, as you say, school is for learning.

      Sorry, for the grammar, English is not my native language, or second.

    3. Re:Jesus. by Nidi62 · · Score: 1

      Glad they didnt do stuff like this 15 years ago. I remember back in high school using Word to access the locked out C: drive of computers and me and my friends would save SNES emulators there and play SNES games during class. We were in a Magnet program so they probably wouldn't have done much to us if caught, but if we had done that now and gotten caught we would all probably have been arrested.

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    4. Re:Jesus. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Till they flip the 120 switch to 220

    5. Re:Jesus. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      LOL, In high school we had to brute force the password to the games directory...twice a year. They left the 'gifted' students in the 'computer' room ALONE for a whole period in sight of absolutely no one ! I think we all realize teachers aren't the brightest ;)

      'computer' actually being a teletype and modem to the university at the time so we were hacking EWU computers.

      Hey! stop that! was about all the repercussions there were. Rightfully so, as there very little else to do with the computer at the time. No one wanted to be bothered with finding us something else interesting to do.

    6. Re:Jesus. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Agreed. I made a fake login screen that I'd open over the Novell login screen with "F1 to open help, file->open, right click, execute", and that would send me peoples credentials.

      I made myself an administrator account.

      I made a dictionary list because I knew their password scheme (four letter work followed by two numbers) and I'd run it against their POP server anytime I wanted someone's password.

      I used to play with the phone system and figured out how to talk over all the intercoms in the school, or specific rooms...

      Hell, I even found a way into the school network from the Internet. They had a content-filtering proxy that I could reach from home.

      I guess the main difference is that I never did anything destructive, I just wanted to learn. But still, I'd still be in jail if things were like this back when I was in highschool.

    7. Re:Jesus. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      • Installed key loggers on all of the machines I touched. Why? Because I was a freshmen and thought it was cool.
      • Investigated rumors that a teacher was having an affair with a student by using her password.
      • Mail bombed some bully and accidentally brought down the school's e-mail. This was back when you could get '5 free forwarding addresses!', point them at each other. SMTP had a bug where if you filled the header with too much information it just put all 'xxxx's. So it'd hide the original IP. They ran over night until someone had to just wipe what ever our school used for an e-mail server.
      • Bored and after learning about ping scan, decided to ping scan my entire subnet on dialup. I found that the business dialup interfaces had no security. The admin password was just hidden in the source code behind type="password". I had the ISP accounts for half the businesses in town (though I never did anything with them).
      • My sophomore year of college I cracked the WEP password on the business downstair's internet and used that as my Internet for an entire year.
    8. Re:Jesus. by penguinoid · · Score: 1

      Everyone involved in this charge should be hounded out of office and publicly shamed for being reprehensible humans.

      No, they should face legal action. What's an appropriate punishment for violating the law against cruel and unusual punishment?

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  39. Sounds like a movie. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This is similar to charging Harry Potter to send him to prison, for a simple use of underage magic outside of school.

    In this case it's a harmless prank, and a notice to the teacher to be better at protecting the password. But the stupid school decides to become the tyrant by helping others to be tyrants.

    This school is not qualified to teach my children.

    1. Re:Sounds like a movie. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Why didn't the cops just shoot the kid in the back. that's normal procedure, isn't it?

  40. The law should not protect the stupid by Opportunist · · Score: 1

    But it does. Sadly, it does.

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  41. Shit by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    ... no doubt if i was in america at his age i would have life in a max security for the easter egg click bate scripts i scattered over my school network through privilege escalation.

    If you are an even mildly above average computer user the clear message here is stay the hell away from America, it's judicial system is run by people who think computers are black magic, and anyone capable with them that did something even slightly against the rules is a witch and should be burned.

  42. They have to do something to keep the prisons full by wizkid · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Since states are now legalizing POT, the numbers are starting to Drop. So they've made the bar way lower on computer mucking!

    We gotta do something to keep the damn prisons filled!

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  43. Re:Who cares. by epyT-R · · Score: 1

    People like you help enable state sponsored terror.

  44. Not the first time he was caught by tomhath · · Score: 1
    FTFA:

    Green had previously received a three-day suspension for accessing the system inappropriately. Other students also got in trouble at the time, he said. . . . Green said that on the morning in question, he accessed the computer that stored the FCAT files and, realizing that computer didn't have a camera, found another. "So I logged out of that computer and logged into a different one and I logged into a teacher's computer who I didn't like and tried putting inappropriate pictures onto his computer to annoy him," Green said.

    So the kid received a warning the first time. He knew that what he was doing could get him in trouble, but he decided to harass the teacher anyway. Too bad they aren't allowed to paddle.

    1. Re:Not the first time he was caught by itzly · · Score: 1

      The teacher got a warning too, but didn't feel like changing the password.

    2. Re:Not the first time he was caught by pbhj · · Score: 1

      Perhaps he wanted to give the kid enough rope to hang himself. Change the password and lock the kid out, or keep it and have the kid incriminate himself and get punished ...

  45. punish the administrators. by nimbius · · Score: 4, Insightful

    As a sysadmin this brings me to tears of anger because this isnt the kids fault and instead of learning about the system or security, theyre just learning what it feels like to be incarcerated without due process.

    a competent IT department for the education system has likely determined a best-practices for passwords but been overruled by administrators and staff citing computers, their difficulty, and their ironic unwillingness to themselves learn. Result: easy passwords. Instead of paperwork, meetings with staff, meetings with IT, and a documented record of a potential lapse in workplace best practises the educators have decided to railroad some poor kid into a trial offer of the prison pipeline and continue with school, business as usual.

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    1. Re:punish the administrators. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      I agree with this completely. I'm the IT Dir for a medium sized school district and I would be having it out in the Superintendent's office right now about how we should punish the stupid teacher and Admin for fostering an insecure environment. I would also be on a IT staff beating spree for allowing the use of names for account credentials.

      The student should ghttp://yro.slashdot.org/story/15/04/10/1541258/florida-teen-charged-with-felony-hacking-for-changing-desktop-wallpaper?utm_source=feedly1.0mainlinkanon&utm_medium=feed#et a few days of OSS for breaking policy, but felony charges are simply bullshit.

    2. Re:punish the administrators. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Result: easy passwords

      Even an easy password draws strict line in the sand between authorized and unauthorized use.

      Does this kid think he is authorized to use someone's ATM card just because he saw them type in the PIN?

    3. Re:punish the administrators. by ScentCone · · Score: 1

      As a sysadmin this brings me to tears of anger because this isnt the kids fault

      It's true. Weak passwords cause the chips in the computer to emit a special kind of electromagnetic radiation which, by sheer coincidence, perfectly stimulates exactly the right combination of untold millions of synapses in a kid's brain (just one kid - it's too focused to impact the others in the classroom), and that pattern happens to exactly manifest itself as an uncontrollable urge to form a plan and take an extended combination of actions that include the very complex process of walking to the computer, logging in, and dealing with the steps involved in fetching a file and updating the desktop. It's an amazing chain of events, especially since in culminates in a level of direct mind control that no scientist could, by any other means, actually reproduce if they tried.

      Definitely not the kid's fault. He had no ability to use his arms, legs, and fingers to pursue any other action except the logging in and defacement of the teacher's desktop. Complete, 100% compulsion through mind control due to weak password EM radiation. Amazing!

      Or, the kid's a bit of a dick who, despite no doubt being told - along with all of his classmates - that improper use of the school's computer equipment, let alone trying to hack into systems used by and for the teachers and staff is a seriously bad thing ... thought he was too cool to get caught, and too entitled to experience any consequences.

      Yeah, it's one of those two things. Either a kid being a dick, or mind control from the weak password. Probably the password thing.

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    4. Re:punish the administrators. by umghhh · · Score: 1

      You are right about general idiocy of security policy in that school. Yet that is hugely irrelevant to the case - the boy broke the law which may indicate that the pupils in that school were not taught about vital issues concerning security and privacy and how serious such offenses may be. If they did maybe the pwd would not be that easy to see, it would not be that easy to guess and possibly if such privacy importance courses were done in every school the criminals from NSA would be serving their time in prison. Well I guess I exaggerated about how far we could go still blaming the teacher or the school for bad security policies is just, as said, not the point.

    5. Re:punish the administrators. by pellik · · Score: 1

      In other words, instead of getting a lesson that appeals to nerds about how system security works, he's getting a much more useful lesson about how the whole world works.

    6. Re:punish the administrators. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Ok, Captain Sarcasm, it was 99% the school's fault and 1% the kid's fault. Sure, he was being a bit of a dick, but weren't you a dick at times in your teens as well? Or ever possibly within the past week? It's part of the human condition. They didn't change the password, so that comes down to "fool me once, shame on you, fool me twice, shame on me" for the school.

    7. Re:punish the administrators. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes, because changing the background on a computer and stealing money are completely the same thing!

    8. Re:punish the administrators. by ScentCone · · Score: 1

      weren't you a dick at times in your teens as well?

      Yes. And at no point was it someone else's fault.

      So, you're saying he was only under 99% mind control, and only 1% of his own mind was in a position to try to stop himself from signing into a teacher's computer to deface it?

      Are you REALLY saying that their weak password is WHY he did what he did?

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  46. On the bright side by nedlohs · · Score: 4, Informative

    At least he didn't just take 8 bullets to the back.

  47. == All stealing is equally bad by tomxor · · Score: 2

    So should someone who steals $2 million and a kid who steals a pencil sharpener both be given the same jail sentence?

    This is the same. Never mind that what he did with his ILLEGAL access was completely harmless (the pencil sharpener would actually slightly damage the shop keepers income if only slightly).

    ... absolutist

    1. Re:== All stealing is equally bad by Ichijo · · Score: 1

      So should someone who steals $2 million and a kid who steals a pencil sharpener both be given the same jail sentence?

      Yes. Return what you stole and stay in your room until you've learned your lesson.

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  48. Is it that insane? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Criminal Charges are based on statutes the statutes for Computer related crimes are posted here
    http://www.leg.state.fl.us/statutes/index.cfm?App_mode=Display_Statute&URL=0800-0899/0815/0815.html

    put simply he accessed the system without Given consent and that is a chargeable offense.

  49. Remote control hacks by n1ywb · · Score: 1

    In 8th grade this one guy used pc anywhere or whatever was around back then to remote into a computer being used by a much younger student and started typed YOU WILL DIE. There was a flap, but it didn't involve police.

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  50. Jury nullification exists because... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ... it gives juries a way out when they believe the law is unjust.

    What do you do with unjust laws? Why, keep them, of course! And the justice department agrees. It likes to have the tools to produce convitions for everyone, or at least scare people so they'll agree to whatever plea "deal" they'll offer their latest victim. Unless their victim commits suicide, but that's the victim's doing, honest.

    No? That not a good plan? Then maybe petition your representatives to get that law repealed. And any other overbroad law, while at it.

    What's wrong with this one? It's overbroad and vague. It criminalises but doesn't define "hacking", which is itself already meaningless thanks to the s'kiddies in the computer security industry (all of them, there's no original, merit badge hackers there, never were). There probably should be a law against "computer trespass" or something to that tune, but it should refrain from using popular scare words and the terms it does use should be properly defined and match that definition, ie not arbitrary redefinitions.

    1. Re:Jury nullification exists because... by UnderCoverPenguin · · Score: 1

      Jury nullification is a side effect of the prohibition against retrying a defendant for the same crime after having been found not guilty

      This prohibition is important because, at least in theory, it prevents a determined prosecutor from repeatedly retrying until there is a conviction, the defendant caves or the prosecutor gets tired. Of course, it's not impossible to get around this by filing charges for other things the defendant might have done at the same time. In theory, the defendant or defendant's lawyer could argue these new charges are "lessor included charges" and get them dismissed.

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  51. OT .signature Re:Insanity by davidwr · · Score: 4, Funny

    Help! Help! I'm being repressed!

    First they pressed you. Then they re-pressed you. Now you are flat.

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  52. Unauthorized access is illegal. Period. by Theovon · · Score: 2

    The teacher who used their own last name as an admin password is an idiot and should be reprimanded.

    But an unlocked door is not an invitation to come in and snoop around someone's house, even if all you do is swap some picture frames around. That's what the kid did. It was unauthorized tresspassing. He should be suspended. If he'd done something worse, he should be expelled and/or prosecuted. Also, we don't know what else he did, and even if it was nothing, not coming down hard on this will make other students think this kind of violation is not a big deal. Unauthorized access IS a big deal, because commonly enough it's done for nefarious purposes, like changing grades or getting a peek at exam questions. Also, tresspassing in general is wrong.

    As for the two men kissing, who cares. In 100 years, that'll be as not a big deal as interracial kissing is right now. If the photo is overly sexual in some way, then perhaps there may be an added problem of inappropriateness. In our current culture and all things being equal, a photo of a man and a woman kissing is more likely to be considered "romantic", while two people of the same sex kissing is going to be interpreted more sexually. That's not exactly fair, though, and if the school were to openly interpret it that way, they'd get into a world of shit politically.

  53. Go the 100! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Hack away kids and make your teachers' gayness blossom, like spring flowers and unicorns at the Central Park! How else you could be the part of the next the 100? The container is waiting at the shore of the Gulf of Mexico.

  54. Talk about overkill... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Seriously the teacher should be the one on the hot seat for not properly maintaining system security by letting others see the password and for having such a simple password.

  55. Detention? by pr0t0 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Was a simple, after-school detention not an option for some reason? I mean, really? You called the police? Did da big bad hacker scare you wif his eweet skills? Jumping Jesus on a pogostick! They're kids, mischievous by nature. Give the kid a detention, and institute a sane fucking password policy!

    If I were a parent of a child in this school, I'd be outraged. I'm outraged right now, and I don't live anywhere near Florida!

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    1. Re:Detention? by jbengt · · Score: 2

      Was a simple, after-school detention not an option for some reason?

      Been there. Done that. Three strikes and you're out. (RTFA)
      Still, a felony seems awfully harsh.

    2. Re:Detention? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      but there is a up side in FL

      as florida did not do the medicare expansion so prison can be better then working a mc job with no Medicaid benefits

  56. Sounds like someone is misinterpreting Judge Dredd by timrod · · Score: 1

    The sheriff in this case sounds like he read a Judge Dredd comic and assumed it was supposed to be a manual for how the justice system should work.

  57. Re:They have to do something to keep the prisons f by Howitzer86 · · Score: 1

    You there! Are you running an unauthorized hex-editor?! That is a capital offense. I'd read you your rights, but as of today, you have none.

  58. Send them a message by Jawnn · · Score: 1

    "Sheriff Nocco seems to be taking this threat seriously. The report says the student "was released on Wednesday from Land O'Lakes Detention Center into the custody of his mother," which means the kid was brought into a holding cell for the incident, which sounds completely unnecessary. But Nocco apparently wanted to send a message, and won't hesitate to lock up more teenagers for trying to use Skype in school."
    So, uh..., why aren't we "sending a message" to the dumb-fuck faculty who are, no doubt, violating policy by using such weak access control procedures? Better question, why didn't the reporter think to ask that question?

  59. Florida. by Ralph+Spoilsport · · Score: 1

    That says it all.

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  60. If he had changed it to Kittens by Bonzoli · · Score: 1

    If he had not put 2 Gay men kissing on the desktop this would be a non story and he would not have been charged. But this is Merica!!! and clearly this kid is a problem, we should use him to up our chances to be Sheriff in the next voting season.
    Sometimes I'm disgusted with my country more than normal.

  61. Re: Abusive authority breeds abusers, not obedienc by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You must be German.

  62. Not all of Facts by Ozark_Centurion · · Score: 1

    If you follow all of the link you'll find out that the student did more than change wallpaper. He went and observed the FCAT files and was on other computers as well. Also there seems to be more than one student doing this. It seems at the moment that this kid is the first one charged for hacking.

    1. Re:Not all of Facts by Drewdad · · Score: 1

      You have problems with reading comprehension:

      "One of the computers Green, 14, accessed also had encrypted 2014 FCAT questions stored on it, though the sheriff and Pasco County School District officials said Green did not view or tamper with those files."

    2. Re:Not all of Facts by Ozark_Centurion · · Score: 1

      Touche, you are totally right I must of been reading it too quickly.

  63. Reminds me by Draeven · · Score: 1

    of when I was in high school in the mid 90s. Thankfully I didn't have to deal with criminal charges however.

    Back when computer classes were still a new thing in high schools, I was attending introduction to computers for my first period. We'd all come in and turn on the computers and watch them boot up Windows 95.

    These computers had a virus scan set to run during boot up, and on that particular day, it had found a virus. I waved the teacher over and pointed it out.

    From that point on I was forbidden to take any computer classes in high school ever again.

    1. Re:Reminds me by JustNiz · · Score: 1

      Why didn't your parents step up to the school (and higher if necessary) on this?

  64. What about the teachers? by p51d007 · · Score: 0

    I think a few of them need "time outs" also, for being so stupid as to have a simple password, THEN typing it in, IN FRONT OF THE STUDENTS.

  65. Re:Unauthorized access is illegal. Period. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Why do teachers have admin rights to begin with?

  66. Makes perfect sense. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Kids need to learn the consequences of embarrassing powerful people. That is one of the golden rules of modern society; thou shalt not embarrass thy superiors. Snowden forgot that, and this little punk forgot that.

    You respect your betters, or you get tossed in a cage. That's the law. Ingrain that into your kid's brains before puberty hits, or they will wind up in a cage too.

    1. Re:Makes perfect sense. by weilawei · · Score: 1

      I would've modded this +1 Funny if I had points. It walks that very fine razor's edge of Poe's Law, but I suspect it falls on the side of parody.

    2. Re: Makes perfect sense. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Snowden didn't forget this, he purpously set out to do the right thing.

    3. Re:Makes perfect sense. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Whoa whoa whoa, better? Just because they are old or in a position of power does not mean they are better or right. Look at Congress.

    4. Re:Makes perfect sense. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Respect is earned, it does not come in cracker-jack boxes. However, I'm always wary of anyone or anything that can crush me like a bug....

    5. Re:Makes perfect sense. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      s/modern society/society/g

      It's only recently where it's been acceptable to even QUESTION this golden rule. Humanity is a slave species.

    6. Re:Makes perfect sense. by SeaFox · · Score: 1

      Kids need to learn the consequences of embarrassing powerful people. That is one of the golden rules of modern society; thou shalt not embarrass thy superiors. ... You respect your betters, or you get tossed in a cage.

      Let's remember that "superiors" and "betters" aren't really the same thing. An idea not recognized by many corporate types.

    7. Re:Makes perfect sense. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Snowden knew there would be consequences. That's why he went to Hong Kong and then to Russia. Perhaps you are thinking of Manning.

    8. Re:Makes perfect sense. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

      That's what you are upset about? If voting had any actual power behind it, the politicians would have made it illegal long ago.

      Incidentally, if you think you are better than women or blacks, then you don't know your place. There are only three tiers in humanity: the super-rich, the rich, and the poor. That's it. Based on the fact that you posted on slashdot, I am willing to wager that you are among "the poor." As much as it might hurt your fragile pride to realize this, you are just as insignificant as any other member of your class.

      I know, people in the lower classes like to mentally divide the class up into a few more levels. It is all foolishness. For all practical purposes, you are one of them. The sooner you know your place, and act appropriately, the sooner your lot will improve.

    9. Re:Makes perfect sense. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Your superiors disagree with you. It might be in your interest to start seeing things properly.

    10. Re:Makes perfect sense. by ghettoimp · · Score: 1

      There needs to be a /whoosh option for moderators.

    11. Re: Makes perfect sense. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You're an idiot.

    12. Re:Makes perfect sense. by joebagodonuts · · Score: 1

      "...then the law is an ass" - Charles Dickens

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    13. Re:Makes perfect sense. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I know that you jest, but this stupidity is just the tip of the iceberg. No matter how much basic common sense is needed, it will forever elude us in the modern world. Want to know what the next bubble will be? The lies bubble. All the pathetic laws and impractical rules are going to implode. Too many believe that "superiority" and "superiors" are the only logical choice. Yet no evidence of an "advantage" even exists. It's an illusion. All things change, and at the end of the day, maybe this teacher feels vindicated by a pathetic ego-trip of which he does not rightly deserve even by our own broken perceptions of what is reasonable. He, of all people, should realize that he is nothing more than a boring cog in an even more boring machine. He is in fact so boring that the student could do nothing but antagonize. And in turn, the boring machine spits out another irrelevant answer. The question doesn't even exist anymore.

    14. Re: Makes perfect sense. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This kid is 14 yes old clearly he was trying to show off. Snow den is 31 yes old. You are comparing the apples to oranges. Was snow den trying to show off ?? no he felt responsible. This kid did not hack he guessed the password. Teach your kids to be responsible....Be a man do the right thing!!!

    15. Re:Makes perfect sense. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Parody? You are a naïf sheep.

      "Steal a little and they put you in jail, steal a lot and they make you king." - Bob Dylan

      "In its majestic equality, the law forbids rich and poor alike to sleep under bridges, beg in the streets and steal loaves of bread." - Anatole France

    16. Re:Makes perfect sense. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Learn not to feed trolls: you just get all dirty and the troll likes it.

    17. Re:Makes perfect sense. by tsa · · Score: 1

      Respect has to be earned.

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    18. Re:Makes perfect sense. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Kids need to learn the consequences of embarrassing powerful people. That is one of the golden rules of modern society; thou shalt not embarrass thy superiors. Snowden forgot that, and this little punk forgot that. You respect your betters, or you get tossed in a cage.

      There is a clear distinction between "superiors" and "your betters". If the method for advancement is sound, then superiors should be respected. If the method for advancement is flawed then it is possible that there will be superiors who are terrible at their jobs.

      The teacher, and the county Sheriff, obviously fall into the later category.

    19. Re:Makes perfect sense. by Jane+Q.+Public · · Score: 1

      Kids need to learn the consequences of embarrassing powerful people. That is one of the golden rules of modern society; thou shalt not embarrass thy superiors. Snowden forgot that, and this little punk forgot that.

      Are you for real? It is hard to tell whether this is sarcasm, but I suspect that it is.

      You respect your betters, or you get tossed in a cage. That's the law. Ingrain that into your kid's brains before puberty hits, or they will wind up in a cage too.

      There are no "betters", in America. Hell, I had a very hard time trying to teach my British manager that, way back when. He felt justified in taking credit for my work, because he was a manager and a "better".

      Haha.

      But again, that's sarcasm. Here's what I actually suggest: pretend to respect your "betters", because in fact that's all they require: the facade. Then when they're not looking, prove they're not "better".

      I don't mean backstabbing. I mean frontstabbing. Make the truth plain to all.

    20. Re: Makes perfect sense. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Et tu AC!
      I notice you don't deny.

    21. Re: Makes perfect sense. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Snowden swore an oath to protect the secrecy of what United States Congressmen had decided was acceptable - proven by their continuously escalating funding of these surveillance programs. What Snowden "believed" still must be tested by our courts of laws, but a 28 year old decided to put aside his oath - his good word - and run into the completely understanding arms of the burgeoning Soviet Empire.

    22. Re: Makes perfect sense. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Snowden courageous acts remind me of but one person in history. Paul Revere. A traitor to the British.

    23. Re:Makes perfect sense. by The+Black+Oak · · Score: 1

      Yes embrace your slavery

    24. Re:Makes perfect sense. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Even supposed "superiors" must obey the law. If they do not behave in a responsible manner, then how are they superior? Snowden and others knew their "betters" were definitely not better and made sure the world knew they weren't. Those thinking they are superior had better maintain themselves before they go about trying to maintain others. Respect is by behaviour, not title alone.

    25. Re: Makes perfect sense. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Can't both of you be right?

    26. Re: Makes perfect sense. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      All bricks in the wall must fucking pay.

    27. Re: Makes perfect sense. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Nothing goes over my head, my reflexes are too fast.

    28. Re: Makes perfect sense. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This isn't getting old

    29. Re: Makes perfect sense. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes the "oath of protecting secrecy" is paramount. Let's not even ask *why* things are kept secret. Just make our entire democratic system opaque, so we can hit peek patriotism.

    30. Re: Makes perfect sense. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I got a job in the gloryhole industry if this tech stuff doesn't work out for you ;)

    31. Re:Makes perfect sense. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There are actually just two classes: the masters and the slaves. The slave class is further subdivided into two subclasses: regular slaves, and overseers. The latter is what you called the "rich class". However, they are also slaves - all their wealth is what the masters ("super rich") let them have, as a reward for their loyal service, and they can lose it literally overnight if they shirk their duties, or when they're no longer useful, or even just at the whim of a master. Similarly, the regular slaves ("poor") can be regularly elevated to the overseer status if they show promise and such, and if there is need for more. But for a slave to become a master, or vice versa - that happens so rarely you might as well assume it doesn't happen at all.

    32. Re: Makes perfect sense. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You should know better than to use sarcasm on slashdot. Although there are plenty of smart people, there are also many who are dumber than dirt.

    33. Re:Makes perfect sense. by warpuck · · Score: 0

      I have found it hard to respect those who make rules that they have no intention in following. I have been very dangerous to those who don't. I have gotten them fired and have had money taken away from them. Some went jail. But that was part of my military job. As for Snowden he was more of a embarrassment to the US .govs than discloser of secrets. Would say all non-US govs already knew or had figured out what was released. A lot of those "classified" docs were classified to keep the ordinary U.S. citizen clueless. I have pursued those who caused real physical injury and/or career injuries with vigor. I was still there long after there rank and privilege was taken from them. I was not one of those who's main goals were rank, power and money. Some flag rank enjoyed my company and others stayed as far away as possible.

    34. Re: Makes perfect sense. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Cunt.

    35. Re:Makes perfect sense. by the_digitalmouse · · Score: 1

      an anonymous coward babbles: "You respect your betters, or you get tossed in a cage. That's the law. Ingrain that into your kid's brains before puberty hits, or they will wind up in a cage too."

      The problem with that nonsense is at least two-fold. 1) People who think they are better do not actually deserve respect, regardless of age or wisdom, and 2) leaving out religious dogma, there is no law stating that you must respect "your betters".

      Ingrain respect for property ownership and perhaps slap the teacher with a stupid stick for not following basic security principles.

      --
      http://about.me/jimm.pratt
    36. Re:Makes perfect sense. by perih60 · · Score: 1

      i am obviously missing something . i know that a person is guilty until proven innocent . i read that this boy has been CHARGED AND ARRESTED , i have not seen anything about this boy having been TRIED ! most people know that even with the best system on earth , innocent people are in jail ! even on death row ! as a child i was told to respect my elders , i was 11 when i had to learn the metric system again . i told the teacher that one liter of water weights one kilo . he did not tare the bottle and this teacher told the class " as you can see 1 ltr = 2.58 Kg ! i understand the point you are making , and agree with you . i just feel the prepuberty kids must understand why .

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      the power of men in charge of words over men in charge of machines surpasses all wondering S WEIL
  67. Re:Unauthorized access is illegal. Period. by omnichad · · Score: 1

    And it's not even an unlocked door. It's a lock door with the key taped to the front of the door. So you still have to break-in to trespass. I don't know if that's a requirement for it being a violation of the CFAA or not.

  68. Charge All Involved by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    They should also charge the teacher for being complicit. The teacher knowingly and willingly typed in their password in front of people that should not have access to the system, thus providing them the tools to access the system without authorization. As far as I understand school officials take on a temporary legal responsibility as parent and are therefore responsible for their "children's" actions.

  69. Re:Unauthorized access is illegal. Period. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Yes, and trespassing (in the real world) is a misdemeanor, generally speaking. Not a felony, a misdemeanor. Why should the equivalent on a computer be any different?

    That said, I doubt most prosecutors would bother if someone reported that someone else had trespassed to leave a photo. They'd probably tell you to lock your door.

  70. Re:Unauthorized access is illegal. Period. by Theovon · · Score: 1

    Even without admin rights, the students should not be using teachers' accounts.

  71. One more reason to avoid school by pubwvj · · Score: 1

    One more reason to _not_ send your kids to public school.

  72. Let's Be Honest at Least ... by ilparatzo · · Score: 1

    ... He wasn't charged with hacking for changing a desktop background. He was charged with hacking for discovering and then using the teacher's password to log into the computer and THEN change the background. He's being charged for a crime for doing what he did prior to changing the background.

    If I break into someone's home and then proceed to just move their stuff around, I'm not charged with Breaking and Entering for moving their stuff around. I'm charged with breaking and entering for BREAKING AND ENTERING.

    1. Re:Let's Be Honest at Least ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Actually, there is no such thing as "breaking and entering."

      There is "Criminal Trespass" and then there is "Burglary."

      If you break into the house and do nothing except look around and then leave, then you have committed Criminal Trespass.

      If you break into the house because you intend to move stuff around, then you've committed Burglary.

      The distinguishing characteristic is that Burglary, put simply, is "Criminal Trespass with the intent to commit a further crime." In the example here, the crime is "unlawful taking" of the property of another. By taking possession of someone else's property, that you reasonably believe you are not authorized to possess, you've committed the further crime of Unlawful Taking.

      What this kid did is sort of metaphorically equivalent, in that he moved stuff around on the computer and had constructive possession of the data on it, that he knew or should have known he was not allowed to possess.

  73. Re:Unauthorized access is illegal. Period. by Theovon · · Score: 1

    I'm not sure what is the difference (in any philosophical sense) between (a) exploiting a known vulnerability to hack in that they should have fixed ages ago, (b) using social engineering to get someone to inadvertently give you access, or (c) guessing someone's really stupid password.

    All of them are "abuse" of a secured system.

    For that matter, say a teacher stays logged in and goes to the bathroom, and while they're away, some students use the teacher's account. So it's wide open, and the teacher was stupid for doing that. But this is kinda like leaving your car running with the keys in while you run into the 7-11. If someone steals your car, they're still stealing your car, even if you made it easy for them to do it.

    Students should live in deathly fear of what horrible things might happen to them if they inappropriately access a teacher's computer account. A misdemeanor charge may not be enough to get through to them.

    The teen brain is interesting. They're almost too logical. If they knew the real statistics about pregnancy and STD's, a lot more of them would be fucking, and then that would actually alter the statistics. This is why teachers and parents commonly make it sound like every sexual encounter leads to disease, ruined lives, and all manner of other scary things. Well, disease and ruined lives happen often enough that people need to be *extremely* cafeful about it, but teens are not exacly known for their mature and careful choices.

    So if this student gets punished in proportion to the crime (basically a slap on the wrist), it is a real concern that this kind of intrusion may start to happen more often, because the risks to the perpetrators are so low.

  74. The unde-FINE line. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    why is it so hard to distinguish between a serious crime and a minor lesson. I swear it isn't that big of a mystery. Punishment yes, a criminal record NO!!! Show me one person who never did anything foolish or majorly stupid and I'll show you a liar.

  75. Re:Unauthorized access is illegal. Period. by Theovon · · Score: 1

    See my other post. The idea isn't so much to make the punishment for teenagers more than for adults but to make the punishment SCARIER. The more I think about this, this student should get charged with a felony and then have that expunged from their record at 18. It needs to be a super big deal to everyone so that other students don't think they'll get away with the same shit.

  76. This wasn't even high school by Kaptain+Kruton · · Score: 1

    This is a high school prank, nothing more.

    The kid wasn't even in high school. It it is a middle school prank.

  77. Criminal? by sreever · · Score: 2

    When I was in school and got in a fight, they didn't call the cops a charge us with assault. They handled it at the school....

  78. Straight to the Chair by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    When I was in grade school (I think 4th grade), I got perturbed at my computer teacher because I would get the "googly eyes" all day long. This was an old school screen share program, and given that machines were already pretty slow at the time, I got impatient with the reduced performance.

    So the next morning I took a screenshot of my teacher's desktop (she was a dimwit, had no password) and set it as the background. Moved all of the icons off of the screen.

    It took her 2 days to figure it out. I enjoyed those days to proceed to "violate copyright" by sourcing an image of a mushroom in a local HTML website I put together. I'm glad they never found out, or it's likely I'd have been put on antipsychotics or somesuch.

  79. Vote for Florida... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ...as the dumbest state in the union.

    I currently live in Florida and will happily soon move to a different state. This story is typical of the stupid people in Florida who have absolutely no common sense and cannot tell the difference between a harmless school prank and a crime.

    The real crime here is that the teacher is so stupid as to be so careless with passwords.

    1. Re:Vote for Florida... by oh_my_080980980 · · Score: 1

      The real crime here is you are too stupid to realize what the kid did was wrong.

    2. Re:Vote for Florida... by aaronb1138 · · Score: 1

      Yep, this is exactly how I want computing laws to work, based on the 70-80's standards. It's under those same standards that most forms of internet advertising are illegal forms of hacking and computer time use.

      When you roll forward to the concept of smart phones with battery restrictions and "just enough" computing power as a key concept, suddenly the incredible usage loss by the owner whenever inundated by advertisements looks janky. It makes sense as to why no one but the owner / administrator may authorize code to execute as far as the legal wordings go from way back in time.

  80. Is it OK to deface someones notebook? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Just because they didn't hide it? The kid was obviously an asshole, even if I see a persons password I will not log into their account. An arrest might be a bit much but a slap on the wrist is surly in order. Show some respect to other people even if they trust in you (or just don't know that a lot of people are assholes).

  81. they may need a $300/hour consultant as at least t by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    they may need a $300/hour consultant as at least this shows that there password rules suck. And who knows how bad the rest of the IT system is there.

    Hell put the kid on the hook for that 50-80K a year cost to hire one more full time IT person.

  82. high school by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Well, there was the book report on the Satanic Bible ... confiscation and parents called...
    Making explosives in Chem lab after school... police questioning...
    Then stringing the Ass. Principal and coach paddles up the flagpole with GG-size bra and jock straps... did not get caught....
    As well as numerous other less-spectacular pranks....
    Now have PhD, and still like pranks, but choose timing and methods/materials much more carefully....

  83. Try this one little life hack... by DarthVain · · Score: 3

    I'm sure there is a "life hack" for that...

    One of my pet peeves is the overuse of the word "hacking" or "hack" in contexts that doesn't make sense or are just incorrect.

    In this case, there was no hacking involved. He knew the password and used it. Unauthorized access isn't hacking. Then again people with a bias or agenda will use terms for impact, just like "theft" and "stealing" when used in context of copyright infringement.

    To me, when people do that with words, they are just explaining to people either A) how biased they are, or B) how little they understand the subject at hand. Either way, not worth reading or listening to.

    1. Re:Try this one little life hack... by freeze128 · · Score: 1

      Exactly. The kid didn't "brute force" the password. In fact, he SAW the teacher enter the password. He could claim that the teacher must have known that the students were watching him type the password, and therefore it was understood that the password was no longer secret.

      Honestly, it would have been more of a hack if he had installed some sort of back door administration program that would allow him to remotely change the wallpaper. (It might have been smarter to do that, too, because it would look more like malware than a high school prank)

    2. Re:Try this one little life hack... by Jack+Griffin · · Score: 1

      In this case, there was no hacking involved. He knew the password and used it. Unauthorized access isn't hacking.

      I disagree. If you're not supposed to know the password and you find it out and use it knowingly, then that is hacking. Regardless of how simple or basic the password is, it's still hacking because you've bypassed an access control system (no matter how trivial)
      I agree the word hacking is overused - "life hack" shits me to tears, but I do something similar for shits and giggles. Watch carefully as people in the office swipe or tap their key on their phone, then when they leave it unattended on the desk charging, I'll tap it in to see if I got it right. This is a very basic type of hack, but still a hack nonetheless.

    3. Re:Try this one little life hack... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm sure there is a "life hack" for that...

      One of my pet peeves is the overuse of the word "hacking" or "hack" in contexts that doesn't make sense or are just incorrect.

      In this case, there was no hacking involved. He knew the password and used it. Unauthorized access isn't hacking. Then again people with a bias or agenda will use terms for impact, just like "theft" and "stealing" when used in context of copyright infringement.

      To me, when people do that with words, they are just explaining to people either A) how biased they are, or B) how little they understand the subject at hand. Either way, not worth reading or listening to.

      this

    4. Re:Try this one little life hack... by DarthVain · · Score: 1

      Most phone passwords are terrible anyway.

      A number of years ago I was at a stag party where we rented a cabin. One of the previous occupants left her wallet with her iPhone in it. One I the guys as a lark tried to "hack" her iPhone. He tried 1,2,3,4 and that didn't work. He then looked in her wallet, found her driver's licence with her birthday in it, and entered MMYY. Click. Two very lazy attempts and we had access.

      In this case we called her mom from her contact list, and got her daughters address and mailed her phone back to her... but not before the guys took a lot of funny pictures first... :)

      To "hack" came from the writing world and sitting down on a typewriter and just banging something out quickly without a lot of preparation. Later it was borrowed by the computer world to mean a quickly done, solution (usually code) to an immediate problem.

      Had any effort taken place to "hack" the school computer it might be though of as such, however simply knowing the correct password because the teacher didn't really keep it a secret isn't much of a hack.

      There used to be a distinction between crack and hack, typically based on the purposes of the actions. One was the freedom of information and access for all, the other more nefarious.

  84. Goddamn!! I feel sorry for kids today. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    After guessing my schools admin password "JC1997 which they changed" I changed my entire schools computer lab homepage to whitehouse.com back when it was still a porn site. You know what happened? They let me off with a warning and banned me from using the lab for two weeks. Skip forward two years. I guessed it again "JC1999 SMFH" and changed it to a nasty .cx website. Saturday detention and banned from the lab for the rest of the year. 37 days

  85. I get it, but... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I get that the student shouldn't have done it, but using a password that clearly wasn't meant to be secret (unless the teacher is an invalid with what we know about password safety these days) is hardly considering hacking.

  86. Your real crime . . . by Latent+Heat · · Score: 1
    . . . was that the computers worked better when the sys admin was away on vacation?

    Maybe it was a job security thang?

  87. Protest? by friedmud · · Score: 1

    This is actually fairly upsetting news.

    Instead of just whining on a forum... does anyone have any ideas on what can actually be done for this kid? Should we start a fund for his defense? Can we organize a local protest? Should we write letters to local officials?

    In a democracy it's up to the citizens to stand up and say when something isn't right. And this most definitely is NOT right. This kid's life is going to be ruined because of a prank. Insane.

    1. Re:Protest? by Areyoukiddingme · · Score: 1

      Instead of just whining on a forum... does anyone have any ideas on what can actually be done for this kid? Should we start a fund for his defense? Can we organize a local protest? Should we write letters to local officials?

      Write his name down on your short list to hire as a system administrator. The police won't release his name because he's a juvenile, but it's probably on Facebook.

  88. Pride by synaptic · · Score: 1

    Computer teachers and district network administrators hate being shown up by some snot-nose kid. The DA will charge this kid with unauthorized use of a computer system, typically a fourth degree felony, and the school will likely change none of their security practices. After all, becoming a teenage felon is a pretty good deterrent, right?

    Who needs a password policy? Who needs two-factor auth? They'll just arrest anybody that embarrasses them.

    This kind of crap happened at my high school 20 years ago. They ignored warnings about gaping security holes, coming down hard on the whistleblowers (i.e. me), then saw their network go down when some other kid exploited it months later.

  89. Teacher? Teachers... IT? by CrashNBrn · · Score: 1

    They said "teachers", it sounds more like lazy IT that got bored of resetting passwords, and issued all machines with the given teachers last name as the password.

    1. Re:Teacher? Teachers... IT? by myth24601 · · Score: 1

      Lazy IT, sure, but we are talking about teachers here, not professional office workers. They were probably locking themselves out their systems every time they had to change their passwords which caused disruption to instructional time so the Principal ordered all passwords to be locked down to the teachers last names.

      At any rate, this might deserve a talking to and perhaps some sort of school punishment. Calling in the police and bringing felony charges just confirms my above views that the teachers and principal are likely not the cream of the crop.

      --
      No matter where you go, there you are.
  90. The crime should be using such a lame password by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The only one who "deserves" any sort of punishment is the teacher for using his last name as a password.

  91. sheer stupidity by sudden.zero · · Score: 0

    I am so glad that I grew up in the real world, and not this pansy ass, liberal, bullshit place that the world has now turned into. When I was a kid if you did something like this you got a slap on the wrist, and two days detention! You sure in the hell didn't get arrested, and charged with felony hacking! Man it must suck to be a kid these days!!!!!

  92. Similar Incedent in my High school by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    we had a rash of bomb threats after 9/11. I live in a town with more cows than people, and they took every one of the threats dead seriously. Immediately after the first threat came in, all students were required to have either clear or mesh backpacks and every student's person was thoroughly searched upon entering the school. The worst event came when, in a middle school (which is attached to the high school) a student left a yellow legal pad note stating "bin laden should fly a plane into the school) We had a full lock down, students were ordered to congregate in the gym. (because what better way to avoid a bomb than to put everyone in the same room). My point here is this: Schools with a "zero tolerance" policy are quick to pull the trigger and make everything a worst case scenario.

  93. what two men? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
  94. Re:Unauthorized access is illegal. Period. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If it is a felony is there not a minimum prison sentence attached to it? If so then the boy will be put in a prison with some other guys possibly big fellows with multiple life sentences. I am sure that will teach him to follow the rules.

  95. When I was their age by shuz · · Score: 1

    Child hood friends of mine would do such things as create dos boot disks that would contain "format C: /u /autotest" in the autoexec.bat file and put them into demo computers at the local wal-mart. Or play doom on the lan during "programming class". Or monkey with disks in the local library. Of course back then Mac's and Windows OS's had easily exploited holes and there wasn't much need for admin usernames and passwords. That said a few days suspension is probably all students faced(followed by staff requesting the student to help them teach computer classes). Pressing charges on a student is probably not the best way to enforce good behaviors. The teacher(s) should also be reprimanded at the very least to use better password and password sharing judgement. Leave your desktop unlocked? At my workplace you would be asking for kitty pictures or I love Microsoft messages on your desktop/browser.

    --
    There is or can be built a machine that can simulate any physical object. -Church-Turing principle
  96. Windows Starter by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Could have prevented all this havoc.

  97. He set out to embarass a teacher he disliked. by westlake · · Score: 1

    Especially because he put GAY GUYS on the computer, the horrors. If he had changed the wallpaper to a cat picture this would not have happened I guarantee it.

    Don't be an idiot.

    Green said that on the morning in question, he accessed the computer that stored the FCAT files and, realizing that computer didn't have a camera, found another.

    ''So I logged out of that computer and logged into a different one and I logged into a teacher's computer who I didn't like and tried putting inappropriate pictures onto his computer to annoy him,'' Green said.

    The teacher he was targeting was out that day. Instead, the substitute teacher saw the picture and reported it to the school's administration.

    Middle school student charged with cybercrime in Holiday

    1. Re:He set out to embarass a teacher he disliked. by perih60 · · Score: 1

      do these statements come from the KIDS trial . if not if he has not had a chance to prove his innocence . in all the posts i have read here , as interesting as a lot are nobody has written anything about a persons guilt untill they prove their innoce , i find this strange

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      the power of men in charge of words over men in charge of machines surpasses all wondering S WEIL
  98. G I T M O for trespassing by redelm · · Score: 1

    Release? Released? Why should such a dangerous hax0r ever be released? He should be locked away forever in Gitmo or some SuperMax :)

    Seriously, "unauthorized access" looks most like the cyber-equivalent of the ancient infraction of trespass. The same common-law defenses should apply (here the concept of "attractive nuisance").

    Pandering to the fear of the ignorant with draconian punishments is the very opposite of liberty. And progress will suffer for the witchhunts (already has).

  99. I wonder if the kid is black... by ampsicora · · Score: 2

    ...article doesn't mention ethnicity, but from the treatment, it sounds like the kid is black...

  100. ridiculous by slashmydots · · Score: 1

    In college I had an autorun entry on my USB flash drive that ran a program that changed the background. Nobody cared.

  101. Morons don't learn quicklly by mbeckman · · Score: 1

    If some moron walks into your house through an unlocked door and begins riffling through your things, that's trespassing. As the home's resident, you're entitled to apprehend them and prosecute. Same thing here. These delinquents will either learn or they will remain morons.

    1. Re:Morons don't learn quicklly by david_thornley · · Score: 1

      Such trespass is frequently just a tort and sometimes a misdemeanor. As far as I know, simple trespass is never a felony. You are allowed to prosecute (one of the differences between a tort and a crime: an individual prosecutes a tort, the government prosecutes a crime), but I'm not sure about apprehending.

      So, if you're saying that since action A is a tort, therefore similar action B should be a felony, you're stupider than the "delinquents".

      --
      "When you have eliminated the unacceptable, whatever is left, however improbable, must be the truthiness" - Holmes
    2. Re:Morons don't learn quicklly by mbeckman · · Score: 1

      You're thinking of curtilage trespass -- not entrance into a residence. Walking into someone's yard that is posted "no trespassing" is indeed a misdemeanor. But in many states, including liberal California, if you commit what is known as "aggravated trespass" by entering into someone's home without permission, and the resident feels bodily threatened, you can face felony trespass charges. This could mean a jail sentence of sixteen months or up to three years. The threatened resident can also shoot you under the Castle doctrine (California Penal Code Section 198.5). The threatened resident is not required to retreat, and can even chase you and use deadly force to neutralize the threat. And if they manage to just hold you for police, you are still subject to felony trespass charges. What's more, the threat can have been made any time in the preceding 30 days. It need not occur during the trespass.

      So death or prison are your options. Only a moron would choose this.

  102. What SHOULD have happened... by jonwil · · Score: 2

    What SHOULD have happened in this case is that the kid should have been given a few days of detention. All of the teachers should have been made to change their passwords, not type them in when students can see and not let students use them. And the student body should have been given a warning that anyone caught messing with the computers or using the teachers passwords will get a few days detention.

    If the same student re-offends (and continues to mess with the computers) they can then be given a suspension.

    1. Re:What SHOULD have happened... by bledri · · Score: 1

      OK, I hate our draconian "tough on crime" bullshit and ridiculous "cyber crime" laws. But the summary left off some important information. He'd been busted for this before (WTF school, change your passwords) and:

      Green was released on Wednesday from Land O'Lakes Detention Center into the custody of his mother. He'll likely be granted pretrial intervention by a judge, sheriff's detective Anthony Bossone said. Green also received a 10-day school suspension. It's unclear if he'll return to Paul R. Smith to complete the school year after the suspension.

      So basically their just giving him a good scare.

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      Some privacy policy Slashdot.
  103. Fear & conformity by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I remember laughing how if Steve Wozniak or Steve Jobs did half of what they did as teenagers/young adults now (selling blue boxes, aka phone phreaking) they'd be felons who'd have lost a decade+ of their useful lives.

    And now I'm realizing how it'd have probably happened to me due to incidents in high school of hitting the debugger key on the Macs to get past the nanny software, or when we figured out the passwords were generated as a guessable pattern. This led to teenagers doing goofy and stupid things to have a laugh and impress each other. At the time, this led to a suspension and blacklist from the honor society and such, but now would lead to straight up felonies.

    I don't consider this a democrat or republican issue, as we can find examples of both pushing this -- but this cycle of fear and stripping away opportunities to learn and grow in the name of safety and conformity has to stop.

  104. Yikes by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    My old place of work we used to pull all kinds of shit on other techies when they were on vacation. One gentleman had the honor of his homepage being reset to a porn site and all icons on the screen changed to dicks. The PC techies were a close bunch so thankfully no one involved HR :P In school we used to hack out of our Novell shell to play games in DOS. At the most this kind of prank should require in-school suspension. An arrest for a felony is absolutely absurd.

  105. Strike Two. by westlake · · Score: 2

    It shouldn't even be a criminal charge. It may be a crime by the letter of the law, but c'mon, this couldn't be handled in-house?!

    Green had previously received a three-day suspension for accessing the system inappropriately.

    Green was released on Wednesday from Land O'Lakes Detention Center into the custody of his mother. He'll likely be granted pretrial intervention by a judge, sheriff's detective Anthony Bossone said.

    Green also received a 10-day school suspension. It's unclear if he'll return to Paul R. Smith to complete the school year after the suspension.

    Middle school student charged with cybercrime in Holiday

    Individuals who successfully complete a Pretrial Intervention Program will have their criminal charges dismissed.

    Pretrial Intervention is for first offenders charged with third degree misdemeanors or felonies. Violate your PTI and you will be looking at a very pissed off judge and prosecutor.

    Understanding Florida's Pre-Trial Intervention Program

  106. Relatives should kill the cops. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Relatives should kill the cops and free the kid.
    This is how it was when men had families and clans.

    This govt should be rejected.

  107. This is some kids employability going s*hit by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    who employs a 'criminal'? and ffs, who lets schools waste the taxpayers money by going after kids doing things that kids should do (challenge etc).. this is a part of maturing for everyone and while some taker it further this was not far by any standards.

    For me who did not grow up in the US I can say this would be something if even noticed you would get a bit of barking for at best, dragged to court would be impossible and I personally only see it as a massive and complete misuse of governmental (put tax payers money here to understand you pay for this) resources.

    I think that a fine == the value of the 'institute' that filed this x 10 would equalize the damage they were trying to inflict.
     

  108. You know they have it figured out. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You know a school has a handle on educating our children on technology when the article states:

    'We are in the process of changing the network password.'

    You better be.

  109. Hacking Lesson 1 by koan · · Score: 1

    Keep your mouth shut.

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    "If any question why we died, Tell them because our fathers lied."
  110. eeeew! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Did you say gay cats kissing men? Eeeww!

  111. Stupid people by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    what if the administration is totally technologically ignorant, and think that this kind of situation requires a $300/hour consultant to come in and "clean" the "infected" machine? Stupid people have all types of higher costs, and if you make them incur those costs, they will blame you, not themselves.

    Stupid people have no place in education in the first place. And this is 2015, not 1995 - any intelligent person can be at least reasonably knowledgeable about computers so as not to use their names as their passwords, etc.

    I think this is another example of American authoritarianism. Soon they will call the cops on you if you so much as look at another person. And the cops will first tase and then arrest you if you don't volunteer for punishment as soon as they arrive.

  112. Why? by AndyKron · · Score: 1

    Why didn't they just shoot him in the back? Will that be tomorrows story?

  113. Actually, this varies by state... by jsrjsr · · Score: 1

    In Wisconsin, a police officer can interrogate a student who is a minor all he wants unless the student is a suspect, the school district has a policy forbidding it, or the parent is present (and objects). I was surprised to discover this when my son was questioned as a witness before anyone said anything to us about it. My son came home and struggled a bit with explaining that he was questioned by the police. My son has comprehension problems (he's getting better) and I don't think he really understood what was going on.

    1. Re: Actually, this varies by state... by rezme · · Score: 1

      In Florida, the school administrator takes the role of parent, without even bothering to notify the actual parent. My son got busted with a bag of weed at school (dumbass), and the first I heard of it was a phone call from the principal saying "your kid is on his way to jail, you should probably head over there and see if you can bail him out". Of course, I left his ass in there until I finished with work, headed home, ate dinner, chilled with the wife for a bit... finally got him around midnight. If it'd been me, and my dad in the same scenario, I'd hadn't been out of school for a week while he let me cool my heels in there.

  114. Hey! I graduated from High School in 1976... by jsrjsr · · Score: 1

    ...and I could tell how I got kicked off the school's timeshare account. It was my partner-in-crime who got us caught. Oh, yeah, I almost forgot -- GET OFF MY LAWN!!!

  115. Disgusting by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Authorities that do this are common animals, and deserve to be treated as such.

  116. This is considered a crime now? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I did this to my C.S. college professor a few days ago. The only distinction being that the wallpaper I used was a cute puppy, and we already have a good rapport based on projects he has assigned to me.
        He used it as a teaching moment for the class to talk about default configurations, easy-to-guess passwords, and a reminder to not get complacent about security practices.

            Since the school board in TFA would equate me with Al Capone, I guess I need to post this as AC.

  117. District/Police Needs a Constitutional Smackdown by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    In particular, they need to be beat over the head with a copy of the 8th amendment until sane.

  118. Re:They have to do something to keep the prisons f by Xyrus · · Score: 1

    This is Florida, correct? Isn't their system something like:

    1. YELLATUM!
    2. GETEMRUNNIN!
    3. CHUTUM!
    4. DONCHATALKERBUTGLABALWURMIN!

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    ~X~
  119. Re:Unauthorized access is illegal. Period. by Chalnoth · · Score: 1

    This was less of a crime than hiding a bucket of water over a door for the teacher to walk through. Charging a kid with a felony is vastly disproportionate to the crime committed.

  120. Jury nullification is good by bigsexyjoe · · Score: 1

    The first supreme court justice John Jay said to vote your conscience. The people themselves are final check against stupid laws.

  121. Religous freedom by bigsexyjoe · · Score: 1

    This isn't funny. This student violated his teacher's religious freedom.

  122. NO JURISDICTION by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    AFAIK Florida doesn't have a federal agreement to enforce cyber laws.

  123. And it's recorded by a witness... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Who also isn't shot for being there. Otherwise just another day on the force.

  124. wowzers by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    In soviet florida the wallpaper changes you

  125. Re:Unauthorized access is illegal. Period. by Perky_Goth · · Score: 1

    Sure, it's illegal, if if there's no intention to cause harm to anyone, what's the point of severely punishing him?

  126. As it should be by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You do the crime, you do the time.

    If you see your neighbor get a key from behind a rock and you use it to enter the house and watch TV it's still a crime.

  127. I say we trial him as an adult terrorist by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    We can't have this kind of behavior in our schools. If he was old enough to hack, he is old enough to do the time. GITMO for wallpaper terrorists!

  128. Making up for incompetence with viciousness by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    A staple for pedagogues everywhere...

  129. You people are bat shit crazy by Skylinux · · Score: 1

    You people are bat shit crazy.

    Singed, the rest of the western world.

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    Everyone who buys Wild Hunt will receive 16 specially prepared DLCs absolutely for free, regardless of platform.
  130. Job interview by davidwr · · Score: 1

    I'm imagining a job interview with this guy in 15-20 years.

    "So, have you ever been arrested?"
    "Yes, once when I was 14"
    "So what did you do?"
    "I changed my teachers wallpaper on his computer to a couple of gay guys kissing."
    "LOL, good job. I see you have a sense of humor. You're hired, but if you ever do that to my computer I'll fire your ass, okay?"

    Sadly, when they get to the "have you ever been convicted of a felony" question, a lot of employers are forced to say "sorry, we aren't allowed to hire you for this position due to legal/contractual/insurance-carrier requirements". But that's a discussion for another time.

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    Knowledge is how to play a game, intelligence is how to win, wisdom is knowing what game to play.
  131. Florida Schools/Cops by bobf0648 · · Score: 1

    Must not be enough murders, rapes or cop shootings, had to find something to do.

  132. detention and pre-trial intervention by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    OK - he was released from detention (to his mother, no father mentioned) the same day he was arrested and pre-trial intervention by a judge is going to be allowed. This means a judge can make him do some kind of community service and expunge his record.

    It appears to be not much more than a slap on the wrist for this repeat offender who specifically targeted a teacher. A 'scare him straight' move by the adults in charge. Teachers are people too.

  133. the teacher is the criminal by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I think the criminal here is the teacher for using a weak password and allowing otbers to shoulder surf

  134. What this kids learned is that by ToddInSF · · Score: 1

    Every adult he's encountered from his teachers to the sheriff are idiots and liars, not to be trusted.

  135. Are you kidding me? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I guess the teacher's, cops, and politicians in Florida all have to act like the shape of their state!

  136. The teacher is who should be punished by JohnBailey7959 · · Score: 1

    The kid should be rewarded for exposing their dumb ass security and the teacher should be fired for being too stupid to be teaching anyone.

  137. Have you.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Have you been changing people's desktop wall-paper again? .... Mr. Anderson?.....

  138. Out of the box by NewYork · · Score: 1

    "If you THINK out of the box, you'll be prosecuted/punished" --Any Regime

  139. Former Computer Hacker Changed Grades by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    i changed grades at my high school in Humble, TX--now that was a felony.

    believe it or not, in Texas, unauthorized access to a government computer per Penal Code is a first degree felony. Just under capital murder.

    I was 17 and did real hacking. This kid is 14. Yes! Our judicial system is fucked up. Now excuse me while i go get my first misdemeanor DWI.

  140. The first shots are fired by Gallomimia · · Score: 1

    Let the war begin!

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    Sadly, a Libertarian cannot force his views on another, and freedom cannot spread as does the cancer known as religion.
  141. Old world thinking is the real crime here by Zeekort · · Score: 1

    A: Teachers are end users and should NOT be local admins on their PCs OR have network admin rights EVER. Yes, even the computer teachers.

    B: A password policy in which teachers are allowed to use their last name should not be allowed in the first place.

    C: When the hell are the END USERS going to be held responsible for their OWN stupidity? This is the 21st century. Computers are a part of everyone's life now. Ignorance is NOT an excuse. It's slowly getting better but no where near where it should be as this situation shows.

    D: The kid isn't innocent, but at most he should be getting detention or some other punishment that would actually teach why using someone else's account is a no-no. Kids will be kids and they need to have boundaries, but not the overreaction he got. I seriously doubt that the people that are overreacting to this and throwing the book at him were perfect saints when they were kids and some of them may have been doing something worse than changing a desktop wallpaper.

    E: The ONLY real crime here is that this school district is supposed to be teaching and preparing their kids for life in the 21st century and they are severely unqualified as shown by their bad security habits.

    F: I don't care of the school doesn't have a lot of money to spend on having a proper IT setup. Find a way to make it work. It's inexcusable for any entity (especially a school) to not have the basics covered now that we're 15 years in to the 21 century. If you need equipment cheap, reach out to businesses in the area. Many (like the organization I work for) donate old hardware. If you need software, Microsoft has options specifically for schools and even if that is too expensive, there are other platforms that will work (Linux, Mac, etc).

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