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There Is No .bro In Brotli: Google/Mozilla Engineers Nix File Type As Offensive
theodp writes: Several weeks ago, Google launched Brotli, a new open source compression algorithm for the web. Since then, controversy broke out over the choice of 'bro' as the content encoding type. "We are hoping to establish a file ending .bro for brotli compressed files, a command line tool 'bro' for compressing and uncompressing brotli files, and a accept/content encoding type 'bro'," explained Google software engineer Jyrki Alakuijala. "Can I talk you out of it?," replied Mozilla SW engineer Patrick McManus. "'bro' has a gender problem, even though the dual meaning is unintentional. It comes of[f] misogynistic and unprofessional due to the world it lives in." Despite some pushback from commenters, a GitHub commit made by Google's Zoltan Szabadka shows that there will be no '.bro' in Brotli. "I have asked a feminist friend from the North American culture-sphere, and she advised against bro," explained Alakuijala. "We have found a compromise that satisfies us, so we don't need to discuss this further. Even if we don't understand why people are upset from our cultural standpoint, they would be (unnecessarily) upset and this is enough reason not to use it."
Call it .sis or .vag, that'll work, right?
Male bad, female good?
Who says that?
Get a sense of humor.
Dog is my co-pilot.
is happening to the population of this planet?
More specifically, an alphabetical listing problem, as referenced by the modern maxim: "bro" before "ho".
Pretending this is my office full of bitter coworkers..
...they don't hear about https://www.bro.org/
I guess the FAT filesystem has to go too.
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replied Mozilla SJW engineer Patrick McManus
FTFTFS
Even PC principal says .bro
I guess they just didn't want to throw down.
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... "bra".
They shouldn't have backed down. They could have stuck with their original plan and be just as successful and popular as projects like The GIMP.
Americans are upset / offended at everything these days. And if they're not, they will be in 3 years.
they chose ".brz " I had to tell them but "breeze" is sensitive over at the LGT crowd
Call it 'Bratli' and use '.bra' as an extension instead; problem solved! :-)
Are YOU using the TOOL, or is the TOOL using YOU? Think about it!
Brazil is gonna have a hell of a time with the Olympics next year.
(-1: Post disagrees with my already-settled worldview) is not a valid mod option.
Is anyone going to do something about Symbian's SIS file format? I feel unfairly pressured and discriminated against, and I demand that Nokia immediately change it. Right now.
I feel it ungentlemanly to swear, and so I apologize most sincerely, but this is fu**in' ridiculous.
"Set a man a fire, he'll be warm for the rest of the night. Set a man afire, he'll be warm for the rest of his life."
So here we are re-inventing the wheel again. What new features are these people creating that rar has done for decades now?
Only the State obtains its revenue by coercion. - Murray Rothbard
Have the claims of victimhood progressed so far that this is considered offensive? Wow.
Fuck those shrieking harpies. /yes, I am being offensive on purpose.
-- Will program for bandwidth
Brotli is actually about ethics in gaming journalism.
"I find the presence of men in the process of developing this software problematic as many women have been abused by men in the past and will feel uncomfortable with their involvement. Can I ask you to reconsider having any men involved? I'm just trying to avoid any problems in the future as men have a lot of negative connotations."
"Don't be evil". Clearly, it's not "Don't be ridiculous". But maybe it ought to be.
Probably brought to you by the same people who find "niggardly" offensive.
I can see it if somebody takes offense because the combinations of words somebody utters, when taken in context of their intent, are full of hate / spite / misogyny or whatever asshattery people spew. But to get offended by a combination of letters that happens to be the same as a word some guys (and gals) call other guys... and in a completely different context... is just going around looking to be offended. And those people who go around looking to be offended are worse assholes than the ones who go around intending offense. Because while assholes are common, they generally only affect the assholes they hang out with... but the SJW assholes rain their asshattery down on the entire world. As far as I'm concerned, "SJW" has replaced the dreaded "cunt" as the worst thing to call somebody.
His name is Christian Biere.
Man blir trött av att gå och göra ingenting.
These people really need to get a grep.
...and they want their 3-letter filename extensions back. Seriously, "br" would be fine, as well as "brot" or even "brotli". It amazes me that, 20 years after MS/DOS basically reached its end-of-life, people are still thinking within those constraints.
Sit, Ubuntu, sit. Good dog.
what is big sister going to do about 'hy-MEN'!?
If .sis exists as an extension, I'm going to lose it.
Why does it have to be 3 letters? FAT short names died LONG ago. Around 1995 to be exact.
I invite posters to list below everything that offends. I expect a long list, so I'll start the ball (!) rolling:
The Minnesota football team perpetuates the stereotype of violent northern Europeans, bent on raping and pillaging. Their name and mascot must be banished - they are deeply offensive and racist.
Prove anything by multiplying Huge Number times Tiny Number
Looky here now; women, muslims, negroes, brown people, fat people, short people, homeless people, ugly people, retarded people, blind people and others frequently do have disadvantages. They become sensitive to certain words, gestures, behavior, innuendo...
It costs little to show a little respect. Maybe you are tall, wealthy and handsome. Maybe you don't fully understand others' perspective, but a small token of respect can be very important to them and might even come back to reward you. OK, probably not, but still...
...omphaloskepsis often...
Centuries ago, you got into serious problems if you ran around claiming you have a mission to fulfil the devil gave you. Now, this gets replaced by feminism, and everybody who doesn't join in the holy movement is an infidel who should be punished. The level of intolerance towards people who aren't "feminists" is raising and raising.
If they really wanted to help women, they should go to india, help solving its rape problem, or to saudi arabia, where women get stoned when they sleep with men who aren't their husband.
Damn feminists, grow a pair!
We used to have a Bill of Rights. Now, with the rights gone, all we have left is the bill.
Why is it only English that all this attack on descrimination is taking place? A lot of languages have sexism built into the language. In Spanish, you could have a group of 1000 females and if one male decides to join, technically speaking the word to describe them must change. Yet if you have a group of 10 men and a woman, it doesn't matter how many women join the group, the word doesn't change.
This has been pointed out hundreds of times in much greater depth than I could ever do, and it remains largely unanswered. Attacking what little sexism remains in English dominated worlds is really stupid compared to attacking the countries where it is worst. Say Egypt or Afghanistan.
Not only that but, as someone who loves reading history books, you see time and time again that when things like this get to ridiculous levels (.bro file extensions being sexist despite it coming from a non-sexist name), that there is backlash in the next generation or so. Do you think boys of this generation are going to love growing up where they have to tip-toe around every single corner of their lives? There will be a backlash in generations hence and all those supporting this nonsense are going to make it even worse long term. That is of course, unless that one female group calling for the extermination of 90% of the Earth's men wins.
"The earth is degenerating these days. Bribery and corruption abound. Children no longer mind their parents, every man wants to write a book, and it is evident that the end of the world is fast approaching." This was written over 4000 years ago on a stone tablet. Times never change.
"Even if we don't understand why people are upset from our cultural standpoint, they would be (unnecessarily) upset and this is enough reason not to use it." -- This is what's wrong with the world(internet?) today. An innocuous term like "bro" is what his feminist friend pretends to be offended by (wow what a great go-to resource to get objective advice), which shouldn't matter to anybody. "so we don't need to discuss this further" oh well case fucking closed, we don't need to talk about it, what a relief you've decided that.
Use of terms "master and slave" in reference to disk drives considered politically unacceptable: http://www.snopes.com/inboxer/outrage/master.asp (Nov 2003)
It is reasonable to not to offend unneedfully, but it is also reasonable not to look for the chance take offence when offence is not intended.
IRONY; AC CAPTCHA for this post is "persons"
to fork it ... or forking sounds too anti-feminist/lgbt
Oh, wait, the old school feminists don't like those either...
isn't it amazing that even though *everyone* in here is eager to express their disagreement, the retarded sjws manage to get their way, like a kid throwing a tantrum
are mozilla devs mentally children?
And so I wonder how the SJW collective will spin this, on the one hand claiming feminism is only about equality between men and women (and apparently there were no women involved in the development of the standard which is prima facie proof of sexism) while also claiming patriarchy hurts men too (and google being patriarchy personified [have you seen their percentage of women in management?] couldn't have seen the ramifications of a new compression technology without the guiding hand of SJWs pointing out how they were actually hurting themselves).
This is exactly the type of idiocy that gets people (excuse me, white males) so wrangled about SJWs.
But really, wouldn't you like a good bro-job?
“He’s not deformed, he’s just drunk!”
Bullshit like this is why we have bullshit like this (an article that appeared just a little while before this one).
.hoe? ;-)
I must admit that i had a few beers but after reading about "problems like these" i am ashamed.
Do you know why feminists never use linux? The command-line manual pages...
Grow a pair that's all.
Not FAT, File System of Size. Get with the program.
They decided on choosing 3 different letters and came up with .boi
Yeah boiiiiii!
Until they agree to be a man about it!
Use .jew since it's Hollywood and TV that brainwashed the recent generations into the "ism's" like "feminism" and "racism". (think: Judaism)
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/northamerica/usa/11866467/New-York-judge-rules-that-Jewish-chicken-whirling-ritual-can-continue.html
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LRKUvkVPBiw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rLcXvgv4FYI
http://www.tabletmag.com/jewish-news-and-politics/156146/yellen-at-the-fed
http://www.usdebtclock.org/
http://economixcomix.com/home/tpp/
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Froman
https://www.opensecrets.org/news/2015/10/millions-spent-by-487-organizations-to-influence-tpp-outcome/
Can you handle the truth though? Even if you can't, it is still there.
http://investmentwatchblog.com/90-of-700-trillion-derivatives-market-contracts-held-by-jpmorgan-goldman-sachs-bofa-citigroup-and-wells-fargo/
http://www.fool.com/investing/general/2013/02/16/who-owns-bank-of-america.aspx
http://www.fool.com/investing/general/2013/02/20/who-owns-wells-fargo.aspx
http://www.fool.com/investing/general/2013/02/19/who-owns-jpmorgan-chase.aspx
http://www.fool.com/investing/general/2013/02/22/who-owns-goldman-sachs.aspx
http://www.fool.com/investing/general/2013/02/21/who-owns-citigroup.aspx
http://ftmdaily.com/preparing-for-the-collapse-of-the-petrodollar-system/
http://www.investopedia.com/terms/f/fiatmoney.asp
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lu_VqX6J93k
http://www.bis.org/statistics/derstats.htm
Do you think you will like the bullshit that stems from all of this or do you just ignore it? It is still there.
http://i.imgur.com/aweLoUj.jpg
That bro is a awk kind of cat, tar with sed brush... get a grep
So now a gender is "misogynistic"?
Seven puppies were harmed during the making of this post.
Yet another example of political-correctness gone insane. People are not upset, some SJWarrier decides to be insulted by 'bro' and therefore it must be changed. Anyone who says different is a misogynist. Enough of the PC bullshit already. If some people decide to be insulted by some aspect of contemporary culture then that's their prerogative. It's got nothing to do with me, I am under no compulsion to adjust my behaviour or opinions to suit them.
Zip is offensive too:
https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki...
http://www.urbandictionary.com...
Frat boys call each other bro, such that it becomes part of a stereotype.
Feminists start using the word as a slur to evoke the stereotype in order to ridicule anyone they perceive as too masculine.
People start using bro ironically in a totally different context.
Feminists lose their shit and call *that* "offensive".
I'm guessing what they're really upset about is their insult losing its negative connotation.
if so, meh, not that funny.
if not then shut the fuck up, morons. Jesus fucking christ. How will people ever get any work done if this is a fucking issue?
I have to wonder if reality is not misogynistic.
Except .vag is taken by ADPCM audio on the PlayStation 1 and 2.
Wow. That's just...wow.
What a fucking faggot.
- Zav - Imagine a Beowulf cluster of insensitive clods...
For the sake of the mental health of people like me, please stick with the .bro extension.
Escher was the first MC and Giger invented the HR department.
I suggest we adopt a new acronym for emerging compression algorithms:
Compressed
Using
New
Technique
What could possibly go wrong?
Bullshit. We've spent the last year telling anybody who will listen that GG isn't interested in fighting SWJs. Why, some of our most prominent members are feminist! GG is about ethics in games journalism, pure and simple. Weird redpillers like you do not speak for GG.
I assume the objection is a gag. Nobody is this brainless.
It's so obvious, it's hard to *not* use.
Could even have an mascot of such a warrior.
I swear there are more fking retards hatched every day. Who gives a fuk what the file extension is? Just because some fking dyke don't like it - TOO FKING BAD, wah.
Anyone who's read any sci-fi and thinks that slaving a pair of waldos to your hand movements is racist is messed up. Good luck to the librarians censoring all those stories. Master and slave drives are perfectly acceptable, since primary and secondary storage devices can mean many different things.
"Transparent" is a shit show that trades on every stereotype going. A man in drag is NOT a transsexual.
SJW infected political correct collectivist retards will eventually get ignored as companies see revenues drop and even open source projects aren't used and get ignored will become abandoned.
Nerds don't understand this fundamental point: just because it sounds clever to YOU doesn't mean that the rest of the world is going to find it just as benign. When your goal is to maximize adoption, the last thing you want to do is pick a bad name.
Object lesson: GIMP. Come on, seriously?
It's not a question of "is it offensive" so much as "is it a STUPID-SOUNDING NAME?" You might say, "well, people need to be less sensitive and grow the fuck up"--but the fact of the matter is that GIMP, despite being free, has never gained widespread adoption as a legitimate competitor to Photoshop, and part of that reason--even if a small part--is because it has a completely ridiculous-sounding name that people who need to use such programs for real work do not want to have to mention in correspondence.
Programming was a better world before feminazis invaded
"Engineering" society so that it is full of taboos against symbols does nothing to change the thinking behind the misuse of arbitrary symbols, all you do is set up the people that you are shielding so that it is even easier to land a psychological blow on them by using words they have been conditioned to react to and not desensitized from hearing or reading.
If you want to make the world better you should call white people "nigger" and women "bro".
Is that inclusive enough for you?
I really hate all the misogynists from Reddit flooding /.
Anyone know where the former, mature crowd went?
Obnoxious partying males who are often seen at college parties.
An alpha male idiot.
Bro, The Bro Code
"Bro" has also been used to suggest affection and intimacy across racial divisions that isn't really there.
The GIMP is the textbook example of the geek's ignorance of popular culture and usage and his uncanny ability to embrace every opportunity to reinforce the worst stereotypes of his own culture in ways that should be trivially easy to avoid.
beyond dumb.
It's not racism when we do it!
welcome it.
The 'bro' subculture of geekdom is full of idiots.
EFI is the new boot standard, which will probably be the standard for 30 years or so. It boots from a FAT volume. On FAT, the real file names (which must be unique) are 8.3. Long "names" are stored as a secondary attribute of the file. Thus, three-letter extensions are still a major standard, and will be for decades.
There is nothing misogynistic about bro. Guy is not misogynistic. Dude is not misogynistic.
Buddy is not misogynistic. Bloke is not misogynistic. Cat, chap and fella are not misogynistic.
Gal is not misandristic. Babe is not misandristic. Cafebabe is not misandristic. Chick, doll and honey are not misandristic.
Mozilla though, may be misandristic.
Everyone knows you can't be racist or sexist against white men.
Besides the Minnesota Vikings' biggest crime is perpetuating the myth of horned helmets.
Fascism should more properly be called corporatism because it is the merger of state and corporate power. -- Mussolini
Bulshit everywhere! Bulshit everywhere!
http://beta.diylol.com/posts/304725-bulshit-everywhere
Go spend your time in something more important! ".bro" is just an abbreviation of "Brotli", period!!! If it seems to have a similar meaning, like an informal abbreviation of brother, or if it sounds like a curse in a foreign language, this is just your imagination or at least a point of view, just a point of view, not the real meaning! This kind of discussion is not about gender equality, this is just a bad oriented concepts, or in other words, a bad preconcept.
If you need to give a name to something, it wil be a male name or a female name in 99% of time, and let say that this is a 50/50 gender equality world, 50% of time it will be a female name, like "Apple Lisa computers", and 50% male name, like "Brother USA" (http://www.brother-usa.com/). Unless you want to give it a neutral name, like.... hummmm, I can't remember one! Maybe a more explicit name for the algorithm, like: "No GendeR", and the extension could be "ngr", and we won't have any other discussion about equality again (just to show a point).
Don't give imagination to preconcept and discrimination where it doesn't exists! When you create a discrimination debate where it doesn't exists you are actually increasing discrimination.
See "Morgan Freeman on Racism" on YT, and you will understand the best definition about discrimination:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z2d2SzRZvsQ
Bulshit everywhere! Bulshit everywhere!
* preconcept
noun preconcept \()pr+\
Definition of PRECONCEPT
: a rudimentary idea intermediate between an ordinary recept and a fully developed concept.
* bro
noun \br\
—used as a friendly way of addressing a man or boy.
* name
noun \nm\
: a word or phrase that refers to or that can refer to a specific person
: a word or phrase that refers to a specific place or thing
: a word or phrase that refers to a type or group of things
* gender
noun gender \jen-dr\
: the state of being male or female
grammar : one of the categories (masculine, feminine, and neuter) into which words (such as nouns, adjectives, and pronouns) are divided in many languages
Think about it for a second. Things are so great for women in the western world that this is what generates complaints. When the complaints are I get hit with rocks trying to go to school, or they cut off my clitoris then you know you are living in a hell hole. Those women don't have time to worry about .bro extensions. When it gets down to the only complaints being file extensions it's means thing are pretty damn good.
I love Jesus, except for his foreign policy.
The vags wins a completely ridiculous war.
Someone ought to fork this project and restore the original naming.
Every time someone's used "bro" to refer to me, I've wanted to punch them in the face.
Why a woman was consulted on this, I have no idea. It's not a term that in any way concerns them or references them.
Please help metamoderate.
The word Google offends me. The one feminist that I know thinks so too. You better change your name.
but .sys is ok?
this seems kindof rediculous, what's so bad about .bro
female posting
I wonder which stinky loose cunt raised this "issue"
...then cunts can develop their own compression algorithm, and call it .vag, .cnt .ho or whatever.
Apparently, they can't do that so they just start shit stirring.
so this dude asked his Canadian friend
i don't see a problem with a ".bro" file extention any more than having a street address that is 666
if you ask a Canadian 'feminist' about whether *anything* could be offensive they will answer in the affirmative
Thank you Dave Raggett
"Can I talk you out of it?," replied Mozilla SW engineer Patrick McManus. "'bro' has a gender problem, even though the dual meaning is unintentional. It comes of[f] misogynistic and unprofessional due to the world it lives in."
Patrick, YOU are the one with a problem.
Persistent Volume manager for Kubernetes - https://github.com/dwimsey/openshift-pvmanager
People conceding to irrational objections, just because it will avoid bothering unreasonable people.
Why? Because it sets a detrimental precedent that other developers should do the same.
Then suddenly, we're going to have to get rid of programs like "Bash" as a login shell, because it sounds so violent.
Also, "Master Slave" clustering/replication schemes are going to need to be renamed, because the reference to 'Slave server' may offend people.
... how about .hoe ?
This politically correct crap is stupid. I have no problems with .bro and could suggest lots of other options that would probably be worse.
You people up in america and those other feminist-ruled countries are becoming such pussies!
Glad I don't live there.
Mitä vittua Jyrki? Annat tollasen paskan vaikuttaa softaan? Annat periksi jollekin helvetin feministille asiassa jossa ei ollut mitään pahaa ennen kuin joku saatanan idiootti ottaa siitä itteensä? Voi perkeleen perkeleen helvetin perse tätä maailmaa, kun ei enää mitään voi tehdä, kun joku itsekäs kusipää loukkaantuu aina.
What the fuck Jyrki? You let that kind of shit to effect software? You give up to some fucking feminist in a matter that was not bad in any way until some fucking idiot takes it personally? Fucking fucking hells ass this world where you can't do anything anymore, because some selfish asshole gets offended evey time.
That's the cue for a whole bunch of entitled, misogynist fuckwits to whinge loudly about how *their* filetype extension has been stolen from them by the evil feminists and SJWs. the end of the world is nigh.
1) Professional victim says "I'm offended by this!"
2) CHOICE -
A - Change it to suit them [they win]
B - Don't change it and move to step 3.
3) They call in the posse to make an example out of someone (e.g. Donglegate)
4) People cave rather than fight them.
The rational thing is to change the extension to something neutral. It's just a technical detail and does not matter that much, so it's sensible to just be polite to those idi... humans who feel there is a problem.
Of course once you're polite, you get a bunch of other idi... humans saying they find the change of the extension without a technical reason offensive, and would like it changed back, failing to understand that they want it changed back for an equally non-technical "feel-good" reason.
Oh the irony.
Obviously it would be different if there was a good technical reason to demand just that one particular extension, but there isn't. It'd also be different if the new extension (instead of the act of changing it) was potentially as offensive.
replied Mozilla SW engineer Patrick McManus
Pretty sure that should read "replied Mozilla SJW engineer Patrick McManus"
"There is more worth loving than we have strength to love." - Brian Jay Stanley
Stop getting offended about everything.
As an Appalachian American I'm offended by the use of 'git' as well. It's obviously been crafted to show disrespect to my family's culture and way of life. I demand that they choose a different three letter word.
Right, their only complaint. So let's make sure we can call it .bro.
The constant problem I see here are people who think that their tiny little tech community represents society. Let me hit a few with the clue bat, but the major whining comes from YOU, not your imaginary feminists or social warriors. The world is large, with people who have lives, feelings, social ties, community, family, careers, etc. that do not match your idea of how things should be. The real problem is looking down on other peoples' viewpoints without even talking with them to discover their mindset. "Stupid bitch" leads to lots of pats on the back, so it just continues.
Learn to communicate. Try to understand others that are not white male middle class techies. Yes, "bro" is offensive, and I say that as a white male middle class techie. Maybe we should name it .pdg for "pencil dicked geek." Because one is just as offensive as the other.
The only thing worse than a Democrat is a Republican.
I'm one of the maintainers of the docs for a well-known DBMS product. About once a year, I have to explain to someone that:
1. "Master" and "slave" have been standard terms in cybernetics for nearly a century.
2. We use these terms in our replication functionality and documentation (and have for about 20 years) precisely on account of (1).
3. If you go back far enough, you'll discover that everybody's ancestors were slaves of someone else's ancestors at some point in time. Including some of mine.
4. Anybody who still think they're offended by these terms needs to get over themselves. Seriously.
5. No, we're *not* going to make thousands of non-trivial changes in our products and we're *not* going to update thousands of pages of documentation to match because someone is (4) because they've never bothered to do a little reading and thus learn about (3) and maybe even (1).
Should the printer manufacturer be required to change its name to "Sister"?
Neither of these cases is anything like the libupskirt/Misaka business where the author of a package was apparently making a concerted effort to be an asshole, and using ".bro" as a file extension isn't, either.
This is dumb, for several reasons:
1) Nobody uses 8.3 filenames anymore, there's no reason not to just use '.brotli'. .peaceloveandallthathippieshit extension, and nobody will be the wiser.
2) Browsers give zero shits about file extensions. They're perfectly happy with no file extensions at all.
3) Servers won't even send the file extension to the browser, just the mime type for the transfer encoding. You could give your statically compressed files a
TL;DR
The file extension is irrelevant, and nobody will see it anyway.
I'm offended that this complaining engineer's name is Patrick McMANus. Shouldn't he change his name to something less sexist?
Or DSR will stop working.
There are legitimate issues to be addressed regarding equality for women in the IT field, this is not it. Things like wage equality, equal employment representation, and paid maternity leave in the USA deserve real attention. This kind of SJW sensitivity at the cost of (mostly their own) sanity discredits serious feminist concerns and the only benefit is making the accuser feel better about themselves. Truly sad.
It's easy for males who had more than 1000.000 years of granted supremacy over females to say that gender equality is easy to achieve. For females who only had half a century of something that is not achieved yet, every inch is important and has to be aknowleged bit by bit by the defacto rulers. Mainstream contributors always see minority rights as easy things to acquire. That's just not true. Equality is not achieved : look at salary graphs... You can come back with more SJW bashing now.
...and I say that as a feminist. And a lesbian. This. Is. Ridiculous. Of all the stupid things to fight over, THIS is what gets attention?!
Stop the planet, I want off :( Drop me off on the moon, ideally during the Silver Millennium.
Get a friggin clue.
Bro is a male youth subculture of "conventional guys' guys" who spend time partying in ways similar to each other. Although the popular image of bro lifestyle is associated with sports apparel and fraternities, it lacks a consistent definition.
I'm a guy and I don't want to be considered a "bro" or hang around with "bros", so why would you needlessly associate your software project with a subculture that a lot of people (including possibly yourself) don't really like? I don't think this wasn't even a joke as you imply since it seems like the creators weren't even aware of the connotation.
Sure not everyone is going to make the association but it's pretty trivial to change at this point in the game.
I stole this Sig
Some programmers suggest a particular extension.
Someone tells them that in North American culture that extension carries a connotation they didn't realize.
The original programmers don't want this connotation so they decide on a different extension.
OMG SJWs are ruining everything!!!!
Is the anti-SJW crowd really this thin skinned?
I stole this Sig
I don't know about you, but I only run my MySQL clusters in bourgeois factory owner/glorious workers configuration.
Men are stronger physically than women on avearge which usually dictates whos calling the shots, so I guess it's time for women of the world to start lifting weights beause if you can't physically win the fight you don't walk out of the woods ...
http://bropages.org/
So I suppose you didn't catch this part of the summary? "Can I talk you out of it?," replied Mozilla SW engineer Patrick McManus.
Lots of comments here on the same lines: "why not just ignore it?" add some whining but overlook that complaining about it being changed is giving it more attention than it had initially. For whatever reason some see not-bro better than bro. Unless you're clinging to bro, just move on. You can't say it doesn't matter by saying it matters...
Anyone who pretends to be "offended" by it, is a piece of human garbage, and deserves nothing.
I prefer lord/serf
And the author of the winning file extension name should get 10,000 Korean Dong.
I'm trying to teach myself to set people on fire with my mind... Is it hot in here?
Brot means bread in German. In some German speaking regions brotli means little roll. The world doesn't have English as mother tongue.
And we'll explain in the man page why it's called .bro...
And it seriously didn't occur to them that "br" is ALSO an abbreviation of "brother"?
You know how a lot of people think "politically correct" or "social justice warrior" mean a person devoid of intelligence who goes out of their way to racially or sexually charge things that have nothing to do with race or sex to give them something to be offended about? Yeah, this is why.
You have tried to support your argument with faulty reasoning! Go directly to jail; do not pass Go, do not collect $200!
come and play, everythings .aok
Seriously, you can make anything out of anything.
Does anyone really .gaf ?
Who the F*@c cares? So tired of PC bullcrap. Stop being offended by every last little nuance.
There are at least two serious flaws in your reasoning. 1) Just because someone else has it worse, does not mean that things are okay for another. 2) Calling attention to one problem does not imply that it is the only, or even the worst, problem.
A guy with a headache isn't unjustified in complaining about the pain just because someone else is dying from lung cancer. A guy dying of lung cancer is equally justified in complaining about a headache.
If you still don't see the absurdity, consider that your reasoning can be applied to dismiss any complaint, no matter how horrifying. Just taking your example: "I get hit with rocks trying to go to school" would you reply: "You should be grateful. Other kids have to dogde bullets on their way to school. They've got real problems."
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"Bro" comes of as misogynistic?
Firstly: There is no logic to this argument. It's a neutral word that is only misogynistic to a person who is misogynistic, just like looking at a cactus and thinking of a penis rather than seeing a cactus as a plant makes you perverted.
Secondly: Did that person seriously just stereotype and generalize a culture in order to justify censoring a word that happens to be used in that culture, but not exclusively by it?
I thought feminists were against generalization and stereotyping, just like the point of anti-racism is. I guess i was wrong. They are bigots who justify their bigotry in shameful and invalid ways.
I'm intrigued by the fact that they aren't even aware of their own bigotry with what they've done here. Censoring the English language for political means reminds me of Communist idiocy and religious moralism when it goes crazy. Feminism is now simply a secular vehicle for religious moralism the way i see it.
As far as those censored/hidden comments go. Whatever you think of the purpose and motivation behind them, it doesn't change the validity of the counter-arguments and analogies made.
But if you have limited resources to focus on correcting problems, why focus your efforts on a really quite minor concern when those same efforts could be instead focused on a much more serious problem elsewhere? All that time spent complaining that air conditioning thermstats are unfairly biased towards men is time that could be better spent writing to policy-makers in government and, say, urging them to impose sanctions upon Saudi Arabia until they revise their laws restricting the rights of women.
How about this instead--
Instead of going down the dark road of "Oh noes! a pejorative word! My little feelings have been irreparably harmed! WHhhaaa!!!", like you are clearly advocating the adoption of-- (your tact implies that people will be so "harmed", and thus, the use of the pejorative is unthinkable)-- You show people that suffer the use of the pejorative how the words "Geek" and "Nerd" went from being wholly pejorative, to being somewhat desirable, and/or at least unoffensive-- and ask that the people who have such a problem seek ways to redefine the words they "suffer" under, so that there is no longer any suffering.
Just a position I feel should be addressed.
"Nerdy" or "geeky" went from being powerfully malign pejoratives, to simply describing yet another personality type. It did that, because "nerdy" and "geeky" people are a major driving force in the advancement of human society and culture these days. Now, "nerdy" and "geeky" convey an almost desirable set of connotations. People that have those characteristics often proudly proclaim having them, and wear those words with pride.
I submit to you that a contributory reason for this, is that the "nerd" and "geek" subcultures knew their value even when those words were powerful pejoratives, and chose to ridicule those that used the terms pejoratively, by wearing the words openly, while simultaneously attributing their contributions to being nerdy and or geeky. In short, they acted constructively and stalwartly in the face of overwhelming social opposition, and did not play the victim card.
This success story cannot be sidelined; nerd and geek culture is literally an indelible part of contemporary culture now.
I propose to you that the pejoratives "SJW", and "Feminist" can likewise be made completely unoffensive and even desirable, through similar behavior and action. Want to advocate for improvements in social conditions? Do so with realistic goals, and actual social science based approaches-- abandon the victim card. In fact, abandon the very idea of "victimization" in general. Instead, view people that have socially misapplied imbalances against them as people who have a great deal to contribute, who want to contribute, and be proud and happy of their contributions.DONT view them as poor, disadvantaged people that just cant help themselves/need to be helped. The way you present and act on your ideology very much matters here. Be very wary of the unintentional messages you send when you cash in the victim card. If your actual goal is to have a world where people who are wish to contribute to society can and do contribute to society, equally and without prejudice from any other group in society, then you need to focus on that as your message. Not "spreading awareness" about "victims."
I am a total nerd and geek, who was a nerd and geek before those things became mainstream, and when those things would get you brutally beaten at school. I am not a victim. I am victorious.
The people that suffer social disadvantage are not victims either, until somebody else makes them into victims, to suit their social agenda. Thankfully, the nerd and geek subcultures did not have social justice warriors around trying to champion for them-- If we had, we would probably still be maligned exactly the way we were before the 80s and 90s-- simply because the very existence of such SJWs would serve as de-facto proof that we NEED protection-- EG, that we are a culture of poor poor victims that just cant survive on our own. SJWs create victims out of people with difficult circumstances, either knowingly or unknowingly, when they try to step in and "defend" those people. Those people are better served by not trying to speak for them, or trying to intercede on their behalf without being directly asked to. When you act for somebody, you inherently take away their ability to act for themselves. That's the simple truth of it. When an SJW says "Those people might be offended by that! I'm going to use my more priviledged status in soci
The real reason is that the people doing the complaining are the loud-mouth attention seekers who like to think they are important. You ask any sane member of society if they are offended and the answer is a resounding no.
Reminds me of a particular film critic in the UK (who is actually entertaining) but has a habit of calling out "sexist tropes" in a unusual amount of films he reviews. Turns out these films are; a. usually targeted squarely at women, and b. my anecdotal experience shows that women enjoy the "sexist" parts of a film just as much as men. Funny that.
Wannabe nerd.
> .ass for anatomical data
That file extension (.ass) is already occupied by the "Sub Station Alpha" software, which is used to do advanced subtitles (fansub) for bootleg anime series. Anime series usually feature teenage girls in (very) mini skirts. Go figure...
By the way the ancient .srt format is not very good when japanese calligraphy + phonetic transcription + english translation need to scroll on the screen in synchronicity.
I find "git" offensive.
I suppose Mandelbrot really needs elimination as a word now. Way too much potential for confusion
The third flaw is that fixing the problems like lack of education for women and FGM is complex and difficult, and will take a long time. Fixing this required a couple of quick comments. It's not like it took significant effort or time, or detracted from other efforts.
const int one = 65536; (Silvermoon, Texture.cs)
SJW, n: "Someone I don't like, and by the way I'm a fuckwit" - AC
Had to look up SJW - was thinking .bitch ext would make them happy?
Guess not.
You are correct in general. I'm operating under the assumption that worrying about being offended by a .bro extension is ridiculous. What I wrote is similar to the First World Problem meme. You only tend to worry about little annoyances when the big ones are taken care of.
I love Jesus, except for his foreign policy.
I'm tired of people kneeing in front of these SJWs and wanting to appeal them. We know that it will not help your stuff see more usage. In fact we know from the Protein World's case that doing the opposite will increase your product's sales and usage. Let the developers use .bro if they want. Completely mad political correctness is rampant in English speaking world and should be put into reins. Using "bro" isn't offensive. I will as a joke make my next file type .bro if nobody will take it. Or .cis or .sis or .fag or something like that. I'm rising my middle finger to SJWs.
in the sense that it's overused, misused and misapplied to people who are neither.
So, eventually, the Talibans took over the USA...
Now all browsers MUST accept MIME type "application/burqa".
Feminists should be kildjt.
First thing they did was ban men from marrying girl children.
Hans Reiser did nothing wrong.
As a reminder, the algorithm for "brotli" was invented in Switzerland and the word is basically the diminutive of "Brot", minus the Umlaut ("Brötli", the local Swiss dialect for what in US-America would be called a "bun" - if you've ever been to Germany/Switzerland/Austria and visited a bakery, you know what to think of).
People who use this as a means to fuel the gender-debate should have their mental health examined, IMO.
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Just fork the project and change the standard extension to '.bro'
Just because some is ghey, doesn't make them a feminist;
a female would have been a better choice to seek guidance from.
CAP == 'suggests'
Absolutely untrue.
It's even if they're seen with another male that's not a family member.
Remember, these are people George and George portray as models of society.
As long as we're commenting on flaws in reasoning, notice that your broad conclusion fails because the other poster's reasoning can in fact *only* be used to dismiss a complaint for which objectively pales in comparison to some other, actual real-world problem that can arguably be categorized along with the first. So anytime somebody comes along with a complaint about suffering that does *not* pale in comparison to anything else that other people are experiencing in the world... you see where I'm going with this â" it's actually perfectly valid to attempt to diminish the significance of some form of purported injustice by comparing it with other injustices of the same type that are inarguably much worse.
"Outdated business models" is code for "I don't like paying for things, but want them anyway"
Why not call it .ORB?
gah, proofread fail; should read "only be used to dismiss a complaint THAT objectively pales in comparison"
"Outdated business models" is code for "I don't like paying for things, but want them anyway"
"...'bro' has a gender problem, even though the dual meaning is unintentional. It comes of[f] misogynistic and unprofessional due to the world it lives in."
Well, that's certainly one way to tackle sexism. Shine a fucking spotlight on it. Way to go.
How about you simply remove the thought that "bro" is somehow a gender-based term instead, especially when talking about a damn file extension.
You know what really comes off as unprofessional these days? Creating controversy where there is none. Knock that shit off already.
And you all wonder why you have been stereotyped as awkward and socially inept...
Amazing.
It was already there, no complaints at the time.
I wonder how soon other people will rename IS-IS routing protocol to make it politically correct.
This is when you know that your life and work is very meaningful and important. When you bitch about an extension for a file, hahaha, losers.
Wait, so you're saying instead of taking the 30 seconds he took to sort this, he should instead waste hours writing letters which will be ignored. That makes sense how?
SJW n. One who posts facts.
what if they saw this? https://vimeo.com/96218245
partial transcript for the lazy: http://madagascar.wikia.com/wiki/Stop_Bugging_Me/Transcript
..I was just about to release my implementation of a Compact Unicode Network Text System.
.fem - goodbye Autodesk .bit - no program is going to make a notch out of my files .ts - deleting all the trans-sexual files because my computer was born make .qt - wouldn't want my wife to get jealous .dat - I deleted dat file because I don't speak ebonics
Eyes roll, then facepalm. This is why real work can't get done.
One thing I can't help but notice in the original post is that the controversy this stirred up was a couple of comments in a thread written by guys, one of which had a vague reference to a feminist. So...although I'm sure this controversy might evoke bad memories about being shut down or censored by feminists (trigger warning, yall), there was actually just the one woman who had a opinion about it, who may or may have not have even called herself a feminist. Before you cry about it as being some wicked extension of the doom-bringing matriarchical victimhood SJW superpower...take a deep breath
Science being dictated by gender, that is the fact.
How about we change .doc = offends doctors .lib = offends librarians and the Lebanese .blk = offends black people
and just about anything you find here.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_filename_extensions_(alphabetical)
A brilliantly simple alternative.
Misogyny is just the new homophobia/racism/antisemitism/whatever. You can fight against it, but you'll find that outside Slashdot (and a few other tiny corners of the internet) that the tide has already turned.
But... the problem is the issue at hand IS NOT MISOGYNY.
I'm guessing you identify the use of "Master / Slave" terminology in computing as a legitimate grievance as well?
If we all use it, they'll be overruled. That'll teach them. They need to not be offended. Especially just to act offended. We need to stop that crazyness. Get people to grow up.
When I read that headline I really tried hard to figure out how that might be offensive. Okay. If the file extension was .nigger i might get why people would be offended.
But .bro has absolutely NOTHING to do with gender. Would people complain about .sis because people *might* use it as a short form of sister, which is female and therefore sexist?!
It's sad to see even the intelligent folks at google bow down to this bullshit. But I guess sanity in the tech industry has long died when Intel started funding Anita Sarkeesian.
I bet a million that brotli and zopfli come from Google in Switzerland. IN Swiss German, these are two types of small baked breads/buns, Brötli and Zöpfli. Now go and tell Patrick McManus that I find his intervention a gross cultural ignorance.
Does anybody find the name GIMP offensive? Does anyone complain about git? And those are the extreme cases. Some "feminist" could probably find the name Python sexist because it's "obviously chosen because the snake resembles the penis" or whatever. Also notice how many websites use black text on white background? This form of opression displays that the black people have to "serve" the whites by forming them the way you want. I know that's bullshit, but some "feminists" regularly say crap like this.
It's funny, you come off sounding more like a weird redpiller in your concern troll by conflating feminist and SJW. It could be argued that they're mutually exclusive, given that SJWs tend to have only a surface concern for women.
More nation-wrecking control-freak bullshit from your unelected JEWISH masters. Are you sick of this shit yet?
Better to identify this possible issue now then rectify it with a simple change and offend a few mentally stunted guys before we have to deal with an angry latte of feminists.
See page 537 of the UEFI spec. A file -can- a- have an LFN attribute (long file name). It -must- have a file name, which is 8.3.
As I said in GP, the canonical filename for FAT (used by UEFI) is the 8.3 name. All files must have a name, and those names are 8.3. A file -can- also have a LFN (long file name) which is stored as an attribute of the file.
All those snakes in the Mozilla Guy's head are giving him a strange view of the world, bro.
except "bro" is a term generally used to demean *men*
The real story here is that some people hold so much hatred for a specific group of people (bros) that the mere mention of that group of people is offensive for them, and they prefer to remove a common, innocuous word from the English language than to ever have to hear it in any context. I had to think a bit to come up with another case of this type of thing occurring: Nazis (oh yes, shit just got real!). Albeit it's not a perfect match. Nazi is a proper name that does not have any other function in the English language, while bro is a commonly used abbreviation of a common English word. So clearly people hate bros significantly more than they hate Nazis, which in itself speaks volumes about modern culture. But it's the best analogue I can come up with.
You have tried to support your argument with faulty reasoning! Go directly to jail; do not pass Go, do not collect $200!
Your comments offend me (for no particular reason)
Please remove them right now. It won't kill you.
Sorry. I hear it's surgically removed when you become an SJW.
As amply demonstrated by the SJWs who down-modded my comment.
No, your comment was downmodded because using the term "SJW" demonstrates you're a complete and total idiot.
Being called an "SJW" simply means you aren't a jerk. Honestly, when the worst insult you can come up with is "Social Justice Warrior" that demonstrates both a lack of a point and a severe lack of creativity on your part.
Still, I did hear a really funny left-wing joke the other day:
"An Englishman, an Irishman and a Scotsman walk into a bar."
"SEXIST!"
That joke isn't funny.
I hope you appreciate the irony here considering you accused others of having to have their sense of humour surgically removed. It's a good thing when I think about it though, you could use a sense of humour implant and it appears there are donors that can help you.
Also I have 15 mod points, I chose to post rather than mod you down. Now if you would excuse me, I've got to take a course on shipbuilding, it's going to be riveting.
Calling someone a "hater" only means you can not rationally rebut their argument.
Do you mean compressed files? It's a compression algorithm, not a video codec. And yes, on the system partition you'll find compressed files, typically cpio + gzip.
Also, in terms of media (which isn't relevant, but you mentioned it), you're likely to find splash images there.
Today I learned that there is an open source compression algorithm named "Brotli" and that Google released it 2 weeks ago. Marketing received. Thank you.
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.. just change .bro to .dick
Would somebody please enlighten me please about this "bro" word? I've always thought it's an abbreviation for 'brother'. ... but neither of the entries seem to explain anything either.
Why is it so offensive? I must be missing something.
I looked at WIkipedia -- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bro
None of the entries suggested here seem to convey this taboo meaning.
I looked at urban dictionary http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=bro
I understand that the US is the centre of the world and noone else matters anymore, but would anyone please explain it to somebody from a different culture?
It's almost like they're actively seeking things about which they can infer non-existent but offensive meanings. Madness.
Pfff. Typical of generation wuss.
Their big mistake was to talk with a "feminist friend from the North American culture-sphere."
What ELSE would she(it?) complain about?
zip
unzip
package
buffer
fifo...repeat until done
null
orphan
probe
stub
purge
kill
RAR (because..you know...pirates...)
clit (.lit util)
scanners (because...you know...Playboy...)
life cycle (because...you know...objectifies women as reproductive objects...)
GIMP
"bro" is nothing more than a term of endearment, no different than, buddy, dude, or guy.
Screw her!
Think about it for a second.
You sound like you'd be better off giving it a tad more than that.
I do not want your cheap brainburning drugs. They are useless for work. And I am a working man today.
So the SJWs don't like .bro, well, I'm not even sure what that would be offered as a file extension.
It's already in use by 4 separate products (didn't anyone check http://fileinfo.com/extension/bro)?
Not sure why they wouldn't have landed on brc (BRotli Compressed) since it's not even in use (http://fileinfo.com/extension/brc)
This is a completely inconsequential, silly thing for the SJW's to get their panties in a knot. Aren't there more pressing issues at hand?
Personally, I find the term "Mozilla" to be culturally offensive to the Japanese, making fun of their film heritage. Plus the "Mo" portion is sexist, hinting at mustaches or something like that. Please change it to something more neutral, like "Pablum".
This is some kind of brainwashing that has nothing to do with equality. We either treat each other with respect or not. Reacting to .bro as something offensive is clear indicator that that you have psychosis. THAT IS NOT NORMAL AND IS CONDITION THAT SHOULD BE TREATED. In my language saying "He is not here" would translate to "ni ga" (two words) and they are pronounced exactly as if it was one word in English, soo yeah I think we should change language because it is offensive ... bunch of brainless faked evil no self confidence lesser humans that make life bitter for rest of us.
What if instead of telling everyone that this or that word is offensive you just stop using it in a offensive context. If word can get a new meaning, use of the word is judged by its context. In that way we can create a new word with a new meaning that is not offensive. If someone uses it in a offensive way only way is to ignore it/not reply.
Whatever word in question means if I was that I would feel offended because of people trying to ban it. On the other hand if that word disappeared from a dictionary and usage or got new meaning that would be great for me. I don't know about rest of you.
I newer new the word existed before this and I hope I will forget it. By creating all this buzz it is just being reinforced as a something bad.
If .bro is treated as a word, then why is not .exe treated as a word so we can also find .jpg, .doc and other "words" called file extensions by the initiated in a dictionary?