bah! a dope is me. reading at +3 I didn't see post you were actually replying to. To me it looked as though you were saying the Family Guy episodes weren't "new" new.
Ok, each nation has it's own system. Users could whitelist contacts in other countries to allow email from outside.
In the US we could setup a branch of the USPS to handle email. This could be a public works project, minimal funds to start with, but build it up with the tax revenue gained from it's use.
Each citizen who wants to use the system signs up (maybe a $5 fee to help with startup cost) and installs the gov't client. Make sure it's secure and NOT anonymous. Tax the email sent via this system, including attachments (you pay more to send heavy packages in regular mail, same thing with attachments).
All revenue generated from using the system should go back into improving it. Users could whitelist contacts not using the system, but must pay a tax for receiving (so, if you have family that likes to send forwarded emails you might not want to add them to your whitelist).
I can already see problems with it, but I think they could be solved. For instance, if you have a virus that sends out many many emails you would have to pay for that. Well, maybe take users to a web page with one of those non-machine readable codes that must be entered before you can send anything.
Most important would be no bulk rates like with real mail. That would kill the whole system.
If people used this system it would grow. If not, it would die off due to lack of funds (which just means this is not something most people care about). This doesn't mean you couldn't still use your current email, it would just be another option. Kinda like having a mailbox at your home which is controlled by the USPS and having a PO box at Mail Boxes etc.
Now, I'm just playing around with an idea so go easy. But hey, if spam is a big enough problem for enough people maybe something like this would work. I'm ok with it as long as there are still free and anonymous options.
That's a fallacious arguement, and I'm guessing you already know that. But I will answer. I live around a large amount of drunken rednecks mixed with wanna be hardcore thugs. I don't look for trouble, but sometimes it walks right up on my front porch.
I agree with your point that it is OK to defend yourself and that a child should understand that. But you, and that child, should also understand that violence begets violence and that just because you hit someone back harder than they hit you doesn't mean they will stop. There is always someone stronger, with a bigger gun or knife, that will take you out at the first opportunity. The best option is always the nonviolent option.
I admit this does not always work. I have been in my fair share of fights. I have had sticks, knives and guns pulled on me. I know how to remove those weapons from an attacker and how to immobilize that attacker without use of fatal force and I have done so on 3 occasions. So don't think this comes from some whiney pussy with no idea what they are talking about. If you have the option, simply walk away. This is a difficult decision for a mature adult to make so don't expect a child to be able to understand that even when Daddy says it's ok to beat someone up sometimes you're better off not doing so.
Sorry, I don't do the email thing, but your right, this isn't the right forum for this debate.
All I'll say is that your right about education being in a bad state already, but in my opinion, privatization is the wrong way to go. I've lived in a rural area my entire life, so I've seen some really bad schools and I've got many family and friends who are teachers or work in the public school system so I know a little bit about what I'm talking about. Alas, I will save it all for another day.
Ok, first up, your idea that the gov't shouldn't be providing services to citizens:
Insert Monty Python Life of Brian "what have the Romans ever done for us" cliche joke here. The gov't is the people, if people want this they will get it, if not it won't go anywhere and it will get voted down. Note that this is a seperate arguement from large corporations buying laws like the DMCA, which is something likely few citizens want or have any control over.
Second, you say
It is unfortunate that I have to subsidize the education of people in States hundreds of miles away.
I'm all for smaller, more accountable gov't, but that statement is ridiculous. In the NFL it's called parity and it works very well. If it weren't for other people's taxes helping schools in poverty stricken areas our education system would be far worse off and so would our society as a whole. Take your idea to it's logical conclusion. I pay taxes for my local schools only, my local schools offer great education, poor areas don't have tax revenue to provide decent schools, poor kids stay poor and uneducated, rich kids get better education and become richer.
I think you've let your politcal ideas cloud your better judgement. Private business should take over where it works, gov't should step in to make sure everyone has the same opportunity. Sometimes the gov't screws up, it's our job to let them know when things are wrong.
Yes they do. A huge ISP and a huge wireless provider. I can already access AIM from my t-mobile phone. The possibilities here are endless, think of all the teeny-boppers with AOL accounts and t-mobile phones.
T-Online is notorious as a simultaneous source of scanning/exploit activity and a sink for abuse reports. AOL doesn't fare much better.
on the scanning part: yeah, and who's not? on the sink for abuse part: yeah, and who's not?
Seriously, I have the email address of noc@largeUS.ISP and receive large amounts of abuse reports and even some internal emails. I got this address by simply entering it into the webmail form on their home site. I've had it for a couple of years and no one has noticed. Can you imagine the number of abuse/complaint reports they HAVE NEVER EVEN SEEN? If not, I've got a large folder full of email you can have a look at (it's actually quite funny).
when I tell friends who really owns T-Mobile, more than one has decided they'd like to go with a domestic provider
Really, maybe I should start telling all these people driving Maxima's and Altima's who really owns Nissan. Maybe they will buy domestic. I have a T-Mobile phone, it has great service, I have a tremendous plan (plenty of minutes, no long distance or roaming, ever... ) and I have never had a single problem with it. Maybe their customer service is horrible, I wouldn't know because I've never had to use it. I knew who owned T-Mobile when I purchased the service and I will change it when another provider can offer better features/performance for a better price. Welcome to a global economy.
My real question is, will Catherine Zeta Jones be in the new commercials?:)
For the love of God, NOOOOOOOOO! I don't think I can take anymore of that wench.
All that said, I doubt T-Online will go through with this purchase.
oh, I don't know, maybe tens of millions of people paying $23.95/month for internet service, a large userbase with disposable cash to advertise to, and a nearly ubiquitous brand name?
Sure, AOL is starting to crumble and the TimeWarner merger turned out badly, but there is still a huge amount of possiblity for AOL. Given the right management and strategy.
Wait...why is it my job to ensure that someone's business model succeeds? I bought the thing--let me tinker with it.
Thank you. It's not really in our interest at all to help these people succeed unless they have a valuable product and a viable business model. If I buy a car and tinker with the engine no one will complain, that's a common thing. Now lets say I come across a way to run my car on banana peels and cat hair. Let's pretend this has a side effect of causing the car to run well and last for 3 million miles. Now, I've just put many many oil workers, gas station attendants and car-assembly line workers out of a job.
I'm I evil? Is what I did wrong? I don't think so. The enviroment has changed, either adapt or become food for someone else.
As far as this camera goes, it's an ease of use issue. If it's easier to send the camera in to get pics developed than it is to hack it then they might make it. However, I don't think this business would make it anyway. Why buy a disposable digital camera that makes crappy pics when I could either buy a film disposable that makes decent pics or a nice digital that I wouldn't have to send anywhere (or hack) to get great quality pics from?
This did not bother me since I was using pegasus mail. When I saw the name of the attached file and the fact that "I am not expecting any attaced files", I deleted the emails
And what would have prevented you from doing that with Outlook? I know there are some holes html and the preview window, but really, that can be configured away too. And why don't you consider sueing Norton/Symantec? It was specifically that piece of software's job to stop a virus from entering your system and it didn't work. Who's more responsible? Norton or MS?
Holding software companies liable for end-user mishaps is just not going to work, it opens up too many possiblities for abuse and doesn't really prevent anything. Just one more thing individuals don't want to take responsiblity for. "I got a virus, it couldn't possibly be my fault, I'll sue the software company for allowing this."
Yes, obviously it's Micro$ofts fault, because no other email client allows you to open attachments.
Come on, maybe Outlook makes it easier for some virus' to spread, but clueless users are reason these things work, regardless of the email client.
And I'm as much against Macro$oft as the next guy, but do you think lock makers should be held liable if someone breaks into your home? Just because some people know how to pick a lock doesn't make it defective.
Ok, let's stop right here and apply some good, old-fashioned common sense to this.
If Joe Writer for the Nowhere News writes a column, it's likely he is viewed as a professional jounalist. Regardless of the circulation of Nowhere News it is more likely the few people who read it would believe it because it is Nowhere News' job to present factual information.
Now, if some 13 year old on a blog calls you a faggot or a child molestor it's not likely anyone of the millions upon millions of people in his world wide audience will stop and think "wow, I've really got to watch out for this RobotRunAmok guy".
I think you got it right when you said "amateur ramblings" the "globally distributed" part really doesn't matter.
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I'd have little respect for sysadmin that does not honor his own policies.
Yeah, right. As a sysadmin there are many many things I can do that my users cannot (like post on slashdot). This is because I know what I'm doing, which is the reason I'm the sysadmin and they are not. They don't have to respect me, but they do fear I will replace them with a small script;)
1. Yes, obviously the patches should be tested, I mention that in my post. My problem is delaying a patch because, well, we've already put out a set this week and so we're just gonna let this one sit awhile. Give it to me and I'll test it (which I do before it goes to a production machine).
I was just over at the beast reading about the new security bulletin service and came across this under the 'What customers tell us' section:
Customers are concerned that Microsoft releases security patches too frequently
Wha?!? So, customers are saying that even if some critical flaw is found, M$ should wait awhile before releasing it because Joe Admin is concerned there are too many patches??
Come on, if they know something is broke I want a patch ASAP (after proper testing of course). I don't care if they release a patch an hour, if something is broke -- Fix it now, don't wait until next week because you've already released your quota of patches for this week. This sounds like BS to me, maybe M$ just stuck that in as an excuse to not release patches.
Later they say an exception will be made if they determine the customers are at immediate risk. I'm glad they know my system so well, but really, please just release the patch now and I will decide if MY system is at immediate risk.
You may want to look at MBSAFU. It's clunky, but it works. I was using it before I got SUS running. SUS is much slicker if you have the resouce available, but mbsafu will get the job done.
Instead of congratulating the Chinese for a well planned, robust and cheap human space effort, which it is, there are literaly hundreds of hateful, ignorant, racist posts filled to the brim with spite and jealously
Actually, I've seen mostly congratulatory post, but I'm reading at +3. Anyway, yeah, there are redneck idiots here. They exist everywhere in the world, not just the US South or Slashdot. Hatred of idiots is actually something that could bring different nationalities together. Stupid people exist in all cultures and should be laughed at by all.
because jealousy never won a space race.
no, hard work and sound scientific knowledge won it about 30 years ago.
The ignorance displayed here on Chinese (well, on any non US) poiltics is symbolic of a nation stearing blindly to its own future.
Hell, the ignorance displayed here on US politics is symbolic of a nation stearing blindly to its own future. What's your point? Are you saying that we shouldn't take a small sample and project a stereotype over a large group of people? Like, say, I don't know, looking at a few posts on a website and saying Americans are stupid infidels who make fun of outsiders?
The Chinese have achieved a human launch in space with a well paced programme that has taken it's time and not rushed things
How do you know? How does anyone outside of China have any idea how long it took or what safety measures they have taken? I mean yeah, they have plenty of data from the US and USSR to help them along, but I'd bet anything that *if* they had screwed up something NOONE would ever hear about it.
Chinese rocketry is at least 20 years newer than that in the Space Shuttle.
One would hope, since the Space Shuttle was built with technology from the 70's.
NASA would be well advised to take a lesson from the simplicity and pacing of the Chinese programme
hmmmm, did not know that about earthlink, but then again I only see it when I work on other people's computers (until recently earthlink did not have a local dialup number in my rural location).
that seals it though, this won't get any new customers for AOL but will provide a nice alternative to those who don't need the big clunky client anymore.
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I've found that SMC products fall into one of the following two catagories:
1. works great
2. sucks ass
I've got nearly the same router the OP linked to (8 port instead of 4) and mine is catagory 1, I feel like I won the lottery.
bah! a dope is me. reading at +3 I didn't see post you were actually replying to. To me it looked as though you were saying the Family Guy episodes weren't "new" new.
Sorry, Sorry, I'll get back in my cage now.
they aren't "new" new episodes
I disagree. From the article
"20th Century Fox is considering a plan to resume production of Family Guy"
but it also adds
"Fox Television Entertainment Group chairman Sandy Grushow said a decision is expected soon"
so it doesn't appear final.
Ok, each nation has it's own system. Users could whitelist contacts in other countries to allow email from outside.
In the US we could setup a branch of the USPS to handle email. This could be a public works project, minimal funds to start with, but build it up with the tax revenue gained from it's use.
Each citizen who wants to use the system signs up (maybe a $5 fee to help with startup cost) and installs the gov't client. Make sure it's secure and NOT anonymous. Tax the email sent via this system, including attachments (you pay more to send heavy packages in regular mail, same thing with attachments).
All revenue generated from using the system should go back into improving it. Users could whitelist contacts not using the system, but must pay a tax for receiving (so, if you have family that likes to send forwarded emails you might not want to add them to your whitelist).
I can already see problems with it, but I think they could be solved. For instance, if you have a virus that sends out many many emails you would have to pay for that. Well, maybe take users to a web page with one of those non-machine readable codes that must be entered before you can send anything.
Most important would be no bulk rates like with real mail. That would kill the whole system.
If people used this system it would grow. If not, it would die off due to lack of funds (which just means this is not something most people care about). This doesn't mean you couldn't still use your current email, it would just be another option. Kinda like having a mailbox at your home which is controlled by the USPS and having a PO box at Mail Boxes etc.
Now, I'm just playing around with an idea so go easy. But hey, if spam is a big enough problem for enough people maybe something like this would work. I'm ok with it as long as there are still free and anonymous options.
Ah, someone who thinks he's Bruce Lee
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no, but I do study Jeet Kune Do.
Me, if someone gets violent I pull my
and they pull a shotgun, and you pull an uzi, and they pull an AK-47, and you pull
starting to see my point?
I wouldn't, however, risk my life under any circumstances to try to prevent harm to someone who pulled a knife, gun, or baseball bat on me.
Maybe you do see my point, I want to live. I might have to break an arm, I might have to shoot someone, or maybe I can just walk away.
That's a fallacious arguement, and I'm guessing you already know that. But I will answer. I live around a large amount of drunken rednecks mixed with wanna be hardcore thugs. I don't look for trouble, but sometimes it walks right up on my front porch.
I agree with your point that it is OK to defend yourself and that a child should understand that. But you, and that child, should also understand that violence begets violence and that just because you hit someone back harder than they hit you doesn't mean they will stop. There is always someone stronger, with a bigger gun or knife, that will take you out at the first opportunity. The best option is always the nonviolent option.
I admit this does not always work. I have been in my fair share of fights. I have had sticks, knives and guns pulled on me. I know how to remove those weapons from an attacker and how to immobilize that attacker without use of fatal force and I have done so on 3 occasions. So don't think this comes from some whiney pussy with no idea what they are talking about. If you have the option, simply walk away. This is a difficult decision for a mature adult to make so don't expect a child to be able to understand that even when Daddy says it's ok to beat someone up sometimes you're better off not doing so.
Sorry, I don't do the email thing, but your right, this isn't the right forum for this debate.
All I'll say is that your right about education being in a bad state already, but in my opinion, privatization is the wrong way to go. I've lived in a rural area my entire life, so I've seen some really bad schools and I've got many family and friends who are teachers or work in the public school system so I know a little bit about what I'm talking about. Alas, I will save it all for another day.
A reasonable voice saying that each situation needs to be judged by it's own merits? Pointing out pros and cons to each arguement?
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Toto, I don't think we're at slashdot anymore
I bet you read the article too, didn't you! You insensitive clod.
Ok, first up, your idea that the gov't shouldn't be providing services to citizens:
Insert Monty Python Life of Brian "what have the Romans ever done for us" cliche joke here. The gov't is the people, if people want this they will get it, if not it won't go anywhere and it will get voted down. Note that this is a seperate arguement from large corporations buying laws like the DMCA, which is something likely few citizens want or have any control over.
Second, you say
It is unfortunate that I have to subsidize the education of people in States hundreds of miles away.
I'm all for smaller, more accountable gov't, but that statement is ridiculous. In the NFL it's called parity and it works very well. If it weren't for other people's taxes helping schools in poverty stricken areas our education system would be far worse off and so would our society as a whole. Take your idea to it's logical conclusion. I pay taxes for my local schools only, my local schools offer great education, poor areas don't have tax revenue to provide decent schools, poor kids stay poor and uneducated, rich kids get better education and become richer.
I think you've let your politcal ideas cloud your better judgement. Private business should take over where it works, gov't should step in to make sure everyone has the same opportunity. Sometimes the gov't screws up, it's our job to let them know when things are wrong.
If everybody knew everybody's loss leaders ahead, there'd be no point in having them so they'd go away and return back to regular market pricing.
Yeah, cause God forbid these companies actually have to compete based on quality of customer service.
Be nice to the stores when they're doing this..
Oh, thank you ConHugeCo, for jacking up prices 300% so that you can drop them 50% and call it a sale!
These two fit together well
... ) and I have never had a single problem with it. Maybe their customer service is horrible, I wouldn't know because I've never had to use it. I knew who owned T-Mobile when I purchased the service and I will change it when another provider can offer better features/performance for a better price. Welcome to a global economy.
:)
Yes they do. A huge ISP and a huge wireless provider. I can already access AIM from my t-mobile phone. The possibilities here are endless, think of all the teeny-boppers with AOL accounts and t-mobile phones.
T-Online is notorious as a simultaneous source of scanning/exploit activity and a sink for abuse reports. AOL doesn't fare much better.
on the scanning part: yeah, and who's not?
on the sink for abuse part: yeah, and who's not?
Seriously, I have the email address of noc@largeUS.ISP and receive large amounts of abuse reports and even some internal emails. I got this address by simply entering it into the webmail form on their home site. I've had it for a couple of years and no one has noticed. Can you imagine the number of abuse/complaint reports they HAVE NEVER EVEN SEEN? If not, I've got a large folder full of email you can have a look at (it's actually quite funny).
when I tell friends who really owns T-Mobile, more than one has decided they'd like to go with a domestic provider
Really, maybe I should start telling all these people driving Maxima's and Altima's who really owns Nissan. Maybe they will buy domestic. I have a T-Mobile phone, it has great service, I have a tremendous plan (plenty of minutes, no long distance or roaming, ever
My real question is, will Catherine Zeta Jones be in the new commercials?
For the love of God, NOOOOOOOOO! I don't think I can take anymore of that wench.
All that said, I doubt T-Online will go through with this purchase.
what else is there?
oh, I don't know, maybe tens of millions of people paying $23.95/month for internet service, a large userbase with disposable cash to advertise to, and a nearly ubiquitous brand name?
Sure, AOL is starting to crumble and the TimeWarner merger turned out badly, but there is still a huge amount of possiblity for AOL. Given the right management and strategy.
Wait...why is it my job to ensure that someone's business model succeeds? I bought the thing--let me tinker with it.
Thank you. It's not really in our interest at all to help these people succeed unless they have a valuable product and a viable business model. If I buy a car and tinker with the engine no one will complain, that's a common thing. Now lets say I come across a way to run my car on banana peels and cat hair. Let's pretend this has a side effect of causing the car to run well and last for 3 million miles. Now, I've just put many many oil workers, gas station attendants and car-assembly line workers out of a job.
I'm I evil? Is what I did wrong? I don't think so. The enviroment has changed, either adapt or become food for someone else.
As far as this camera goes, it's an ease of use issue. If it's easier to send the camera in to get pics developed than it is to hack it then they might make it. However, I don't think this business would make it anyway. Why buy a disposable digital camera that makes crappy pics when I could either buy a film disposable that makes decent pics or a nice digital that I wouldn't have to send anywhere (or hack) to get great quality pics from?
This did not bother me since I was using pegasus mail. When I saw the name of the attached file and the fact that "I am not expecting any attaced files", I deleted the emails
And what would have prevented you from doing that with Outlook? I know there are some holes html and the preview window, but really, that can be configured away too. And why don't you consider sueing Norton/Symantec? It was specifically that piece of software's job to stop a virus from entering your system and it didn't work. Who's more responsible? Norton or MS?
Holding software companies liable for end-user mishaps is just not going to work, it opens up too many possiblities for abuse and doesn't really prevent anything. Just one more thing individuals don't want to take responsiblity for. "I got a virus, it couldn't possibly be my fault, I'll sue the software company for allowing this."
Yes, obviously it's Micro$ofts fault, because no other email client allows you to open attachments.
Come on, maybe Outlook makes it easier for some virus' to spread, but clueless users are reason these things work, regardless of the email client.
And I'm as much against Macro$oft as the next guy, but do you think lock makers should be held liable if someone breaks into your home? Just because some people know how to pick a lock doesn't make it defective.
Ok, let's stop right here and apply some good, old-fashioned common sense to this.
If Joe Writer for the Nowhere News writes a column, it's likely he is viewed as a professional jounalist. Regardless of the circulation of Nowhere News it is more likely the few people who read it would believe it because it is Nowhere News' job to present factual information.
Now, if some 13 year old on a blog calls you a faggot or a child molestor it's not likely anyone of the millions upon millions of people in his world wide audience will stop and think "wow, I've really got to watch out for this RobotRunAmok guy".
I think you got it right when you said "amateur ramblings" the "globally distributed" part really doesn't matter.
You can't fire me, I quit.
Bad decision. Now you can't draw unemployment.
I'd have little respect for sysadmin that does not honor his own policies.
;)
Yeah, right. As a sysadmin there are many many things I can do that my users cannot (like post on slashdot). This is because I know what I'm doing, which is the reason I'm the sysadmin and they are not. They don't have to respect me, but they do fear I will replace them with a small script
1. Yes, obviously the patches should be tested, I mention that in my post. My problem is delaying a patch because, well, we've already put out a set this week and so we're just gonna let this one sit awhile. Give it to me and I'll test it (which I do before it goes to a production machine).
2. well, yeah, it does.
3. see your point 2.
I was just over at the beast reading about the new security bulletin service and came across this under the 'What customers tell us' section:
Customers are concerned that Microsoft releases security patches too frequently
Wha?!? So, customers are saying that even if some critical flaw is found, M$ should wait awhile before releasing it because Joe Admin is concerned there are too many patches??
Come on, if they know something is broke I want a patch ASAP (after proper testing of course). I don't care if they release a patch an hour, if something is broke -- Fix it now, don't wait until next week because you've already released your quota of patches for this week. This sounds like BS to me, maybe M$ just stuck that in as an excuse to not release patches.
Later they say an exception will be made if they determine the customers are at immediate risk. I'm glad they know my system so well, but really, please just release the patch now and I will decide if MY system is at immediate risk.
You may want to look at MBSAFU. It's clunky, but it works. I was using it before I got SUS running. SUS is much slicker if you have the resouce available, but mbsafu will get the job done.
Does it really matter? Are your feelings of national pride so hurt because others succede where your country hasn't been lately?
Does it make you feel better to rebut every idiot on the internet?
Instead of congratulating the Chinese for a well planned, robust and cheap human space effort, which it is, there are literaly hundreds of hateful, ignorant, racist posts filled to the brim with spite and jealously
Actually, I've seen mostly congratulatory post, but I'm reading at +3. Anyway, yeah, there are redneck idiots here. They exist everywhere in the world, not just the US South or Slashdot. Hatred of idiots is actually something that could bring different nationalities together. Stupid people exist in all cultures and should be laughed at by all.
because jealousy never won a space race.
no, hard work and sound scientific knowledge won it about 30 years ago.
The ignorance displayed here on Chinese (well, on any non US) poiltics is symbolic of a nation stearing blindly to its own future.
Hell, the ignorance displayed here on US politics is symbolic of a nation stearing blindly to its own future. What's your point? Are you saying that we shouldn't take a small sample and project a stereotype over a large group of people? Like, say, I don't know, looking at a few posts on a website and saying Americans are stupid infidels who make fun of outsiders?
The Chinese have achieved a human launch in space with a well paced programme that has taken it's time and not rushed things
How do you know? How does anyone outside of China have any idea how long it took or what safety measures they have taken? I mean yeah, they have plenty of data from the US and USSR to help them along, but I'd bet anything that *if* they had screwed up something NOONE would ever hear about it.
Chinese rocketry is at least 20 years newer than that in the Space Shuttle.
One would hope, since the Space Shuttle was built with technology from the 70's.
NASA would be well advised to take a lesson from the simplicity and pacing of the Chinese programme
And you think they aren't?
hmmmm, did not know that about earthlink, but then again I only see it when I work on other people's computers (until recently earthlink did not have a local dialup number in my rural location).
that seals it though, this won't get any new customers for AOL but will provide a nice alternative to those who don't need the big clunky client anymore.