I hope you swallow. The original post was stupid sure, but to say "[to]use a mac as your primary machine...and waste time and money writing games for you.." is just piss and bile.
I'd appreciate it if more companies like Valve would more titles for the mac.
However, no one should hack a system and steal source code, no matter how easy or difficult to obtain. I would say that using Outlook seems like a bad idea for a company so invested in protecting their data.
"we don't have organized, allowed racial hatred groups in Europe...."
I just fell off my chair laughing. Nazis, what where? Neo-Nazis, no no not in Europe.
Now, I don't agree with your original statement, nor the first reply. But, to say that Europe is now perfect happy little place is rediculous. You have thousands of years of experience and knowledge made up of wars, intolerance and genocide. During the last century Europe was embroiled in more than 20 separate conflicts including the World Wars. Europe was the center of all the colonization and imperial movements with the exception of the Ottoman Empire and is the cause for a myriad of major conflicts currently. Want to know why Afghanistan is still screwed up? Or the entire continent of Africa? Or hey, even the situations in the Middle-East? At the heart of every problem is a European country.
Now, the USA should be better, we should use fewer resources, we should eat less, we should actually pay more lip-service to treaties like the Europeans do, and we really need to stop saving the Europeans from themselves.
Europe is at a point where it can become a redeeming influence in world politics, but so far it has been content to watch from afar, letting Serbians butcher Bosnians, letting Hutsi slaughter Tutsis, and allowing the Taliban to sink Afghanistan back into feudalism. Just to name a few. Europeans have done nothing but blather and worry, and in those cases when the US has become involved you simply wait for us to make a mistake and then cry "imperialists!" at the top of your lungs.
So far, Europe, I am not exactly impressed.
Holy shit, I just fell out of my chair laughing.
Someday in 2030....
I've just recently upgraded from a Mac G12 AI to help me at my freelance gig where I copy a 40 Terrabyte file from one folder on the holographic drive to another. On my Pentium 5 this operation takes only 5 days.
I won't bore you with the laundry list of other problmes I've encountered while working on various macs, but suffice it to say that I have absolutely nothing better to do than continously post this stupid comment everytime I get a chance.
This is of course to say that the new device manager doesn't just simply hide the endless layers of Wizards and Clippy-like goddamnits that typically permeate trying to do anything with Windows.
My favorite example of the difference between Mac OSX.2 and WinXP:
I bought a Bluetooth adapter for my PB, the instructions stated for Windows: Insert CD, Run Installer, etc.
For OSX: plug in
I agree the device manager is pretty, but it's 2 years away and I can't imagine MS will suddenly snap to attention and start building a really good GUI.
I wished you'd posted with your name and I had mod points right now. The corn flake point is especially shrewed. Most people don't know or care that there are other OSs out there or if they do they believe all the FUD that is spread around: Linux is too hard, meant for geeks, Macs are too expensive and they can't use word or the internet (actual paraphrased quotes!).
I hate cornflakes.
A Jeep! On the freeway! Going 75mph! Wow! Pure Fantasy.
Kidding, although I've never been able to hear anything but rock music and screaming from my passengers when I go this fast in mine.
So, I guess a bluetooth headset is out.
"If I was a latte sipping, femine male..."
I'm so sick of this shit, I buy Windows therefore I must be masculine, but mac users are so teh gay. They sip lattes, but I drink coffee.
Shut up you simping fool, at least have the courage to go beyond simple and rediculous stereotypes!
And as for the unique box, I just have to say ooohhh...neon. Wow! I'm so unique.
Ooops! Someone get a fire-extinguisher.;)
Actually, their is becoming as acceptable compromise between the need to be PC ie he/she s/he, his/her or some other horrible construction. However, proper english defines the male gender for all unknown sentances because of the lack of a proper neuter gender in English, which incidentally was abandoned as some point between Old English. So technically, he is the proper construction, however switching between genders is also acceptable. Personally, I think the use of their does work since the subject (student) is made plural by the modifier each. But, who listens to me anyways.
Serious graphic work rocks on OSX, while XP is a schizophrenic hunk of bad code. XP is the Elantra of OS, its supposed to compete with Mercedes, but it's still a Hyundai.
OSX has been stable since I bought my Powerbook, and ever since my company decided to intall XP its been problem after problem, it seems it doesn't play nice with Win98. As for UI tricks, Windows still has Shut Down under the start button, the edit, copy, paste buttons move constantly. On some apps, undo works, on some it doesn't. Oh yeah, and Adobe Acrobat acts like its on crack.
As for OS9, it was dear to my heart, and I still use it on my old iMac from time-to-time, but OSX is a much better OS and its been much more stable, however I will admit that OSX is the new model, and therefore has its problems while OS9 has settled into a nice complacency. But to compare OSX, OS9 to XP (don't you dare remove a drive, register me!, what the hell is a driver? BSOD) please don't even bother.
Please write to Senator Orin Hatch, and please let him understand just how rediculous and dangerous this statement is.
http://www.senate.gov/~hatch/index.cfm
By flooding his mail box with irrate, but intelligently written responses we may be able to turn his head a little.
That's really not fair, because school computers are always screwed up no matter what the operating system is. PCs end up schizoid when students delete or fiddle with.exe and extentions.
As for stability, I use both XP and OSX daily doing very similar tasks (Word processing, email, some specialized programs, Adobe's stuff, etc.) and XP BSODs every week. OSX has not crashed once in the same amount of time. Not once. (Since November of 2001)
I totally agree with about experience, some people tell me their Macs are constantly troublsome and most people tell me their PCs are continuously in the reboot cycle, so for the most part I tend to think its the user.
If you don't have an OSX box, play with one seriouslyâ"and not someone else's system that been all fuglied like a school computer or one at CompUSA. If I used that as a measure for PCs then well I'd still never buy one.
I've used every Mac OS and every Windows OS and all I can say is the Mac OS, including 8 and 9, which were always more stable than 2K orâ"shudderâ"ME, has performed every time while Windows has always failed me. XP BSODs less, that's is true, but OSX has run flawlessly all the time, every time. I have work to do, I don't have time for Windows to puke up some random error or get pissed off because I hooked up the wrong camera to it.
Windows has not lost my trust too many times, while my Macs have always worked.
I've seen the iPad idea floating around a number of times, and I would love to see such a device. Think of a 12" screen with an iPod bolted to the bottom, with a little form factor to make it easy to hold, then use OSX and have a USB and Firewire port with Bluetooth and 802.11g. If I want a tablet I don't want it to convert into a laptop, I want it to be a tablet and that's it, but I want it to connect to my Powerbook and use iSync, etc. I want to be able to check mail, write, take notes and draw and then drop it all to another machine where I can really bang on the keys. Or let me plug a keyboard into it. I think a 900mhz G3 w/ DDR would do this excellently. I can hook it to my camera, etc. This should be the future of the iBook, the true light, versatile computer for students, etc.
IMHO only Apple will be able to do this correctly.
I'm suprised that people feel this way. I was exposed to ideas that would be tough to find outside the university atmosphere, philosophy, poltics, history. It would be very difficult to dig through all the material of any subject just to get a good enough bibliography just to understand most of the material without the professors and fellow students.
I think a college education is like everything else, you take from it what you want. I learned Latin and Spanish, I studied art history, criminal justice, history ? especially about the Middle East ? creative writing, the history of the English language, etc. In fact I enjoyed it so much, I'm going back. If you go for a diploma then its a means to an ends, but I think there's so much more out there, but most students just want to get through.
Plus think of all the exposure to beaurcratic haggling, that's worth a degree in and of itself.
Just for the original question:
I use Pen and Paper, then transcribe things to my Powerbook 15" which I've had almost two years. I use my iPod and CD-Rs to back up data, and I carry it everywhere. I like just having a single device that holds most things and I use my own little scripts to keep track of stuff. Plus the keyboard can't be beat for banging out papers, and then w/ OSX hooking into a printer almost anywhere.
So wait, you're using a very old machine and then you ask what everyone else is doing with their macs. I have two machines: a 233mhz iMac which I bought in 1998, which I then stuffed full of memory and then put on OSX and a 500mhz Powerbook which I have had since 2001.
Neither machine is top of the line, and yet I manage to get an insane amount of work done, especially compared to my 2.0 Ghz P4 which crashes and blue screens constantly.
You're running an ancient machine on an older OS and you post this on almost every Apple page, so frankly I think you're trolling. But I thought I'd give you a real awnser. Obviously you need an upgrade, but this isn't the Mac's fault.
Of course, and I think you can see my point. What I disagree with is the obvious answer that because most companies use Wintel machines they must be superior, and we should be using them. Companies make good and bad decisions for all sorts of reasons. I'll defend the fruity computer because I think it offers a considerable value that is often ignored and has been for a long time. My problem wasn't with your post but the original which stated, essentially Mac users are idiots, and then the idea that Fortune 500 companies constitute a sense of quality in every decision and we all know that's not true. I'm just cranky today I guess and I got rilled up.
So long as we agree on what exactly constitutes value or quality. People have been known to spend significant amounts of money on all sorts of stupid things when they should've known better.
And Enron, Global Crossing, etc. amassed major fortunes and managed to climb their way to the list using paper profits and accounting tricks, and many people suddenly assumed that their "market share" meant they were providing a superior product. And yet, their product was mostly smoke and mirrors (oh and the gutting of the Californian power industry)
Money may or may not be the root of all evil, that's not what I'm saying. What I am saying is just because most people think something works or is good doesn't mean it is. There is an inherent value of quality that is missing from most of these decisions and it all comes down to the holy bottom line.
Apple makes a product that I like and find an incredible amount of use for, therefore I buy their products. Windows hasn't. Therefore I don't buy their products.
So, don't tell me that a product or an idea, or anything is superior because a large portion of any population believes it so. People can be sheep especially in the large herd-like groups we call companies. On the whole, we used to think the world was flat, cruxifiction was a good thing, and that you could create gold from air if you could only mix the right amounts together.
Apple may be a total crap-shoot and I respect that you believe it so, but to argue for any idea because "everyone" believes it rings false in my ears.
Oh my god, people who buy Apple computers are idiots. Oh wow, I didn't see that coming. That's brilliant, I mean Fortune 500 companies are full of genuises, that's were all the Noble Prize winners go, that's where all the Pulitzer Prize winning writers go, that's where all the sum of human intelligence is. No one ever made a bad decision in the Fortune 500.
Maybe people use Macs because they like having a choice, and they like using a different product, and maybe you're just too blind to see it.
Is your VCR clock blinking 12:00?
What? Someone else makes computers? Oh. My. God. I can't believe it. Thank you for pointing that out, thank you from saving me from buying another (shudder) Apple. Thank you Anonymous Cowards for showing me the true path of righteousness and thrift. Now please shut the hell up until you have something interesting to say.
That's quite a lingering death, giving Apple half-a-decade to die. Wow!
I have two Monet paintings that don't match my sofa. What the hell?
Seriously, people buy Apples because they like them, same reason people buy BMW, Audi, etc. However, Apple's machines are not much more than similar Dells or Gateways, do the research, and they use a great OS.
Also, is the graphic design comment based on some real information? I know of several graphic design houses that continue to buy new Macs.
As for OSX implementation, look at how long it's taken people to move from Win 98 and 2k to XP. Many people, including my own company refuse to upgrade to XP. However, our OS X machines work great.
Thanks for the usual Apple is dying comment, its very unique.
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I hope you swallow. The original post was stupid sure, but to say "[to]use a mac as your primary machine...and waste time and money writing games for you.." is just piss and bile. I'd appreciate it if more companies like Valve would more titles for the mac. However, no one should hack a system and steal source code, no matter how easy or difficult to obtain. I would say that using Outlook seems like a bad idea for a company so invested in protecting their data.
Please don't feed the trolls.
go under the preferences, click on importing, change it to custom setting ya dumb bastard.
"we don't have organized, allowed racial hatred groups in Europe...." I just fell off my chair laughing. Nazis, what where? Neo-Nazis, no no not in Europe. Now, I don't agree with your original statement, nor the first reply. But, to say that Europe is now perfect happy little place is rediculous. You have thousands of years of experience and knowledge made up of wars, intolerance and genocide. During the last century Europe was embroiled in more than 20 separate conflicts including the World Wars. Europe was the center of all the colonization and imperial movements with the exception of the Ottoman Empire and is the cause for a myriad of major conflicts currently. Want to know why Afghanistan is still screwed up? Or the entire continent of Africa? Or hey, even the situations in the Middle-East? At the heart of every problem is a European country. Now, the USA should be better, we should use fewer resources, we should eat less, we should actually pay more lip-service to treaties like the Europeans do, and we really need to stop saving the Europeans from themselves. Europe is at a point where it can become a redeeming influence in world politics, but so far it has been content to watch from afar, letting Serbians butcher Bosnians, letting Hutsi slaughter Tutsis, and allowing the Taliban to sink Afghanistan back into feudalism. Just to name a few. Europeans have done nothing but blather and worry, and in those cases when the US has become involved you simply wait for us to make a mistake and then cry "imperialists!" at the top of your lungs. So far, Europe, I am not exactly impressed.
Holy shit, I just fell out of my chair laughing. Someday in 2030.... I've just recently upgraded from a Mac G12 AI to help me at my freelance gig where I copy a 40 Terrabyte file from one folder on the holographic drive to another. On my Pentium 5 this operation takes only 5 days. I won't bore you with the laundry list of other problmes I've encountered while working on various macs, but suffice it to say that I have absolutely nothing better to do than continously post this stupid comment everytime I get a chance.
This is of course to say that the new device manager doesn't just simply hide the endless layers of Wizards and Clippy-like goddamnits that typically permeate trying to do anything with Windows. My favorite example of the difference between Mac OSX.2 and WinXP: I bought a Bluetooth adapter for my PB, the instructions stated for Windows: Insert CD, Run Installer, etc. For OSX: plug in I agree the device manager is pretty, but it's 2 years away and I can't imagine MS will suddenly snap to attention and start building a really good GUI.
I wished you'd posted with your name and I had mod points right now. The corn flake point is especially shrewed. Most people don't know or care that there are other OSs out there or if they do they believe all the FUD that is spread around: Linux is too hard, meant for geeks, Macs are too expensive and they can't use word or the internet (actual paraphrased quotes!). I hate cornflakes.
A Jeep! On the freeway! Going 75mph! Wow! Pure Fantasy. Kidding, although I've never been able to hear anything but rock music and screaming from my passengers when I go this fast in mine. So, I guess a bluetooth headset is out.
"If I was a latte sipping, femine male..." I'm so sick of this shit, I buy Windows therefore I must be masculine, but mac users are so teh gay. They sip lattes, but I drink coffee. Shut up you simping fool, at least have the courage to go beyond simple and rediculous stereotypes! And as for the unique box, I just have to say ooohhh...neon. Wow! I'm so unique. Ooops! Someone get a fire-extinguisher. ;)
Actually, their is becoming as acceptable compromise between the need to be PC ie he/she s/he, his/her or some other horrible construction. However, proper english defines the male gender for all unknown sentances because of the lack of a proper neuter gender in English, which incidentally was abandoned as some point between Old English. So technically, he is the proper construction, however switching between genders is also acceptable. Personally, I think the use of their does work since the subject (student) is made plural by the modifier each. But, who listens to me anyways.
Serious graphic work rocks on OSX, while XP is a schizophrenic hunk of bad code. XP is the Elantra of OS, its supposed to compete with Mercedes, but it's still a Hyundai. OSX has been stable since I bought my Powerbook, and ever since my company decided to intall XP its been problem after problem, it seems it doesn't play nice with Win98. As for UI tricks, Windows still has Shut Down under the start button, the edit, copy, paste buttons move constantly. On some apps, undo works, on some it doesn't. Oh yeah, and Adobe Acrobat acts like its on crack. As for OS9, it was dear to my heart, and I still use it on my old iMac from time-to-time, but OSX is a much better OS and its been much more stable, however I will admit that OSX is the new model, and therefore has its problems while OS9 has settled into a nice complacency. But to compare OSX, OS9 to XP (don't you dare remove a drive, register me!, what the hell is a driver? BSOD) please don't even bother.
Please write to Senator Orin Hatch, and please let him understand just how rediculous and dangerous this statement is. http://www.senate.gov/~hatch/index.cfm By flooding his mail box with irrate, but intelligently written responses we may be able to turn his head a little.
That's really not fair, because school computers are always screwed up no matter what the operating system is. PCs end up schizoid when students delete or fiddle with .exe and extentions.
As for stability, I use both XP and OSX daily doing very similar tasks (Word processing, email, some specialized programs, Adobe's stuff, etc.) and XP BSODs every week. OSX has not crashed once in the same amount of time. Not once. (Since November of 2001)
I totally agree with about experience, some people tell me their Macs are constantly troublsome and most people tell me their PCs are continuously in the reboot cycle, so for the most part I tend to think its the user.
If you don't have an OSX box, play with one seriouslyâ"and not someone else's system that been all fuglied like a school computer or one at CompUSA. If I used that as a measure for PCs then well I'd still never buy one.
I've used every Mac OS and every Windows OS and all I can say is the Mac OS, including 8 and 9, which were always more stable than 2K orâ"shudderâ"ME, has performed every time while Windows has always failed me. XP BSODs less, that's is true, but OSX has run flawlessly all the time, every time. I have work to do, I don't have time for Windows to puke up some random error or get pissed off because I hooked up the wrong camera to it. Windows has not lost my trust too many times, while my Macs have always worked.
I've seen the iPad idea floating around a number of times, and I would love to see such a device. Think of a 12" screen with an iPod bolted to the bottom, with a little form factor to make it easy to hold, then use OSX and have a USB and Firewire port with Bluetooth and 802.11g. If I want a tablet I don't want it to convert into a laptop, I want it to be a tablet and that's it, but I want it to connect to my Powerbook and use iSync, etc. I want to be able to check mail, write, take notes and draw and then drop it all to another machine where I can really bang on the keys. Or let me plug a keyboard into it. I think a 900mhz G3 w/ DDR would do this excellently. I can hook it to my camera, etc. This should be the future of the iBook, the true light, versatile computer for students, etc. IMHO only Apple will be able to do this correctly.
I'm suprised that people feel this way. I was exposed to ideas that would be tough to find outside the university atmosphere, philosophy, poltics, history. It would be very difficult to dig through all the material of any subject just to get a good enough bibliography just to understand most of the material without the professors and fellow students. I think a college education is like everything else, you take from it what you want. I learned Latin and Spanish, I studied art history, criminal justice, history ? especially about the Middle East ? creative writing, the history of the English language, etc. In fact I enjoyed it so much, I'm going back. If you go for a diploma then its a means to an ends, but I think there's so much more out there, but most students just want to get through. Plus think of all the exposure to beaurcratic haggling, that's worth a degree in and of itself. Just for the original question: I use Pen and Paper, then transcribe things to my Powerbook 15" which I've had almost two years. I use my iPod and CD-Rs to back up data, and I carry it everywhere. I like just having a single device that holds most things and I use my own little scripts to keep track of stuff. Plus the keyboard can't be beat for banging out papers, and then w/ OSX hooking into a printer almost anywhere.
So wait, you're using a very old machine and then you ask what everyone else is doing with their macs. I have two machines: a 233mhz iMac which I bought in 1998, which I then stuffed full of memory and then put on OSX and a 500mhz Powerbook which I have had since 2001. Neither machine is top of the line, and yet I manage to get an insane amount of work done, especially compared to my 2.0 Ghz P4 which crashes and blue screens constantly. You're running an ancient machine on an older OS and you post this on almost every Apple page, so frankly I think you're trolling. But I thought I'd give you a real awnser. Obviously you need an upgrade, but this isn't the Mac's fault.
Of course, and I think you can see my point. What I disagree with is the obvious answer that because most companies use Wintel machines they must be superior, and we should be using them. Companies make good and bad decisions for all sorts of reasons. I'll defend the fruity computer because I think it offers a considerable value that is often ignored and has been for a long time. My problem wasn't with your post but the original which stated, essentially Mac users are idiots, and then the idea that Fortune 500 companies constitute a sense of quality in every decision and we all know that's not true. I'm just cranky today I guess and I got rilled up.
So long as we agree on what exactly constitutes value or quality. People have been known to spend significant amounts of money on all sorts of stupid things when they should've known better. And Enron, Global Crossing, etc. amassed major fortunes and managed to climb their way to the list using paper profits and accounting tricks, and many people suddenly assumed that their "market share" meant they were providing a superior product. And yet, their product was mostly smoke and mirrors (oh and the gutting of the Californian power industry) Money may or may not be the root of all evil, that's not what I'm saying. What I am saying is just because most people think something works or is good doesn't mean it is. There is an inherent value of quality that is missing from most of these decisions and it all comes down to the holy bottom line. Apple makes a product that I like and find an incredible amount of use for, therefore I buy their products. Windows hasn't. Therefore I don't buy their products. So, don't tell me that a product or an idea, or anything is superior because a large portion of any population believes it so. People can be sheep especially in the large herd-like groups we call companies. On the whole, we used to think the world was flat, cruxifiction was a good thing, and that you could create gold from air if you could only mix the right amounts together. Apple may be a total crap-shoot and I respect that you believe it so, but to argue for any idea because "everyone" believes it rings false in my ears.
Oh silly me. Money is the incident center of all value, I forgot. Please note, Enron, et. al were Fortune 500 companies.
Oh my god, people who buy Apple computers are idiots. Oh wow, I didn't see that coming. That's brilliant, I mean Fortune 500 companies are full of genuises, that's were all the Noble Prize winners go, that's where all the Pulitzer Prize winning writers go, that's where all the sum of human intelligence is. No one ever made a bad decision in the Fortune 500. Maybe people use Macs because they like having a choice, and they like using a different product, and maybe you're just too blind to see it. Is your VCR clock blinking 12:00?
What? Someone else makes computers? Oh. My. God. I can't believe it. Thank you for pointing that out, thank you from saving me from buying another (shudder) Apple. Thank you Anonymous Cowards for showing me the true path of righteousness and thrift. Now please shut the hell up until you have something interesting to say.
I never noticed that because I'm always updating the lists anyways.
Hold down the Play button.
That's quite a lingering death, giving Apple half-a-decade to die. Wow! I have two Monet paintings that don't match my sofa. What the hell? Seriously, people buy Apples because they like them, same reason people buy BMW, Audi, etc. However, Apple's machines are not much more than similar Dells or Gateways, do the research, and they use a great OS. Also, is the graphic design comment based on some real information? I know of several graphic design houses that continue to buy new Macs. As for OSX implementation, look at how long it's taken people to move from Win 98 and 2k to XP. Many people, including my own company refuse to upgrade to XP. However, our OS X machines work great. Thanks for the usual Apple is dying comment, its very unique.