... on himself, not you. This is what it means to have principles. And he claims to be happy with the result: he feels unconstrained by any aspect of his software environment.
In addition there is the non-commercial world - schools, uniiversities, health services, government, local government, charities, NGOs blah blah.
*You* are free to do as you please unless it is to do with non-free software, when you may not.
I agree with your thrust - that being tested in the hot forge of competition will make it real.
However - one of the current issues that we will also have to work out is how to get our answers out into the public conscience after we have 'fixed' the problem that the comparisons have revealed.
Folks may simply remember the 'MS Lab points out critical flaw in Linux architecture' story that splashes across zdnet et al. Sure we may fix it but how will get get that message across? And not have it overwritten by yet another message from the 'lab'?
I just *know* that they are/were really hoping for a native open source connector for Evolution to be written by Ximian.
Still think this will be a priority to a company that makes significant revenue from a proprietary groupware server?
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THis is dead right - and once you have bought all that othere stuff, your enterprise apps *still* don't integrate with NSD properly so you have to get dirXML and pay for Active Directory too...
Just so you can get what, exactly? A file server and a directory.
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Actually I think not - everyone I know is heading reluctantly but inevitably to Active Directory and is ditching Netware.
We have NDS *and* AD simply because some/many apps don't speak NDS but integrate directly with AD. So we buy both - NDS cos it's easier to manager and link/sync to AD for app integration.
Thing is... what a waste so the next step is simply to bin NDS.
It's not what we want to do but what is happening none the less.
Not only are you slightly misplaced in your belief that the US is the only place where 'innovation' occurs but you are also bereft of logic in the rest of your points.
With open source / standards based software, the market determines the value of software and weeds out poor quality - open standards prevent popularity being an issue because lockin is reduced. So just because more people are able to become programmers without being employed for the purpose will *not* reduce the quality of the best software, only increase the potential for poor software to exist - ie the marketplace of 'vendors' will increase but the 'buyers' will still select for suitability for purpose, quality and price. Windows shareware is exactly the same. Some is shite and some is great.
Whereas, in your world, proprietary standards actually mean that if software becomes 'popular' this can lead to competitors disappearing (word vs WP) simply because the two find it hard to co-exist because of formats and so forth.
It is the migration that will be the test - we have groupwise and the thought of trying to get those thousands of user folder structures filled with tasks, apps, notes etc over too exchange without losing one single message gives me the heebies.
Actually, I think this is not much like the wild west - which was anarchic and open - you could disappear if you wanted and control was intermittent and defeatable/corruptable.
No, this is too intimate a battle - far more like living within a 1984 type stalinist or fascist regime with the oligarchy constantly scheming and blocking the underground who are always on the run. The Matrix perhaps, too.
How about the numbers that are using Win98 - thats the 'upgrade' zone - with win95 that make 35% of the users who are up for a change of computer sometime in the next few years.
If linux desktops can capture a big share of this then they can define that as success - if not, if when we come back here in 2005/6 and the win98 boxes are all gone, but linux etc is still at 1% - then its bad:-)
Although what happens in practice is that you are asked when you sign your contract to also sign a waiver exempting yourself from the rules. Don't sign, don't get th ejob, basically. All the lawyers I know have had to do this for eg
If you mean eventually kill Saddam and cause a coup (by the iraqi army - the usual way to topple a dictator) then yes, we'll win. Or maybe a pax americana style interim admin for 6 months. Yes, we can do that.
If you mean - cause Iraq to become just like Canada or Australia then no, we won't win. There will likeley be a civil war between Sunni and Shia with the Kurds in there for afters. Ulster style civilian shootings until ethnic partition Balkans style.
Who benefits most do you think? The local farmer who just got priced out of the market by the 'free food'? Or western agri business perhaps?
Surely the best thing is to let third world farmers compete and survive and build and invest for the future... all they are asking is that you stop subsidising your farmers and them come to the table and compete. Free food ain't the future.
As for guns guns guns. You sold/gave them to [insert name of dictator who was previously a western ally] so just don't do that in future and that would probably help.
maybe you are right in terms of the total number of theoretical applications but if you constrain yourself to those few apps that people would actually want to run, then you never ever have to compile. I am talking about Moz, OO.org, Apache, games etc. All of these/could/ be sold over the counter but they are all products of the internet and get 'sold' down the wire.
--> "Last time I checked, even German economical growth is grinding to halt and unemployment rates are on the rise. No small part of this can be attributed to the huge tax load on inviduals and companies as a deterrent to enterpreneurial spirit"
Actually mostly to do with a) absorbing East Germany and the raw costs associated with that and b) struggling to meet the monetarist demands of the ECB and its rather deflationary "stability pact".
One will even out over time and the other is likely to be junked within the next year or so...
And in what way does the UK not have a welfare state? It has a huge one (ooer).
LOL. Ok, answer is of course, yes. I would save as an rtf and email that. They will open the file, read it and print it out to be taken to the shortlisting meeting. Unless you think that they will open the file fine but *then* notice that it is an rtf and then mark me down for not having gone out and bought a copy of word 200 especially...
I genuinely think that your point is pointless in both the real and your own special world...
Oh come on - you think that they are really going to put this kind of a barrier down that will potentially exclude the best candidate for the job, maybe the perfect person?
I recruit people and I spend most of my time thinking about how to *expand* my net not the other way round!
Sheesh - I can imagine the CEO of justgoneunder.com asking his management team - so how come we couldn't recruit smarter people? Oh, cos we specified that they had to be using the most recent software from a single supplier and it's true that we got less applicants than usual but what the hey - the ones we got were easier to process...
"As sorry as it is we need a monopoly to beat a monopoly."
If there can be a new entrant to the marketplace this easily, then MS cannot genuinely have a monopoly in the strictest sense of the word.
What it means is that what were previously corps in a different market are now potential entrants to more cross-connected markets. This should be very scary for MS.
How can this really work, though. You are saying that demand for coffee will decrease as starbucks withdraws... hmmm.
I think that people, finding that what was a starbucks is now closed, and finding that the nearest single starbucks is crammed, will seek alternatives.
Here in the uk - this mantra was repeated every day by the CBI and other employers groups. We then put in a minimum wage and... unemployment and inflation continue to fall. Even the CBI now agrees that they were mistaken.
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... this will scupper it.
they've *saved* money by going with free software ... :-)
Dude, you got modded up for trolling!
... on himself, not you. This is what it means to have principles. And he claims to be happy with the result: he feels unconstrained by any aspect of his software environment.
In addition there is the non-commercial world - schools, uniiversities, health services, government, local government, charities, NGOs blah blah.
*You* are free to do as you please unless it is to do with non-free software, when you may not.
I agree with your thrust - that being tested in the hot forge of competition will make it real.
However - one of the current issues that we will also have to work out is how to get our answers out into the public conscience after we have 'fixed' the problem that the comparisons have revealed.
Folks may simply remember the 'MS Lab points out critical flaw in Linux architecture' story that splashes across zdnet et al. Sure we may fix it but how will get get that message across? And not have it overwritten by yet another message from the 'lab'?
I just *know* that they are/were really hoping for a native open source connector for Evolution to be written by Ximian.
Still think this will be a priority to a company that makes significant revenue from a proprietary groupware server?
THis is dead right - and once you have bought all that othere stuff, your enterprise apps *still* don't integrate with NSD properly so you have to get dirXML and pay for Active Directory too ...
Just so you can get what, exactly? A file server and a directory.
Actually I think not - everyone I know is heading reluctantly but inevitably to Active Directory and is ditching Netware.
... what a waste so the next step is simply to bin NDS.
We have NDS *and* AD simply because some/many apps don't speak NDS but integrate directly with AD. So we buy both - NDS cos it's easier to manager and link/sync to AD for app integration.
Thing is
It's not what we want to do but what is happening none the less.
Not only are you slightly misplaced in your belief that the US is the only place where 'innovation' occurs but you are also bereft of logic in the rest of your points.
With open source / standards based software, the market determines the value of software and weeds out poor quality - open standards prevent popularity being an issue because lockin is reduced. So just because more people are able to become programmers without being employed for the purpose will *not* reduce the quality of the best software, only increase the potential for poor software to exist - ie the marketplace of 'vendors' will increase but the 'buyers' will still select for suitability for purpose, quality and price. Windows shareware is exactly the same. Some is shite and some is great.
Whereas, in your world, proprietary standards actually mean that if software becomes 'popular' this can lead to competitors disappearing (word vs WP) simply because the two find it hard to co-exist because of formats and so forth.
Diversity rules, dude
It is the migration that will be the test - we have groupwise and the thought of trying to get those thousands of user folder structures filled with tasks, apps, notes etc over too exchange without losing one single message gives me the heebies.
Actually, I think this is not much like the wild west - which was anarchic and open - you could disappear if you wanted and control was intermittent and defeatable/corruptable.
No, this is too intimate a battle - far more like living within a 1984 type stalinist or fascist regime with the oligarchy constantly scheming and blocking the underground who are always on the run. The Matrix perhaps, too.
This ain't no wild west
A compelling arguement ... but
:-)
How about the numbers that are using Win98 - thats the 'upgrade' zone - with win95 that make 35% of the users who are up for a change of computer sometime in the next few years.
If linux desktops can capture a big share of this then they can define that as success - if not, if when we come back here in 2005/6 and the win98 boxes are all gone, but linux etc is still at 1% - then its bad
Although what happens in practice is that you are asked when you sign your contract to also sign a waiver exempting yourself from the rules. Don't sign, don't get th ejob, basically. All the lawyers I know have had to do this for eg
... it's the apps like your mail/calendar that make it less than satisfactory unless you just mean 'backup to' when you say sync ...
>There's no question that we're going to win.
Define 'win'.
If you mean eventually kill Saddam and cause a coup (by the iraqi army - the usual way to topple a dictator) then yes, we'll win. Or maybe a pax americana style interim admin for 6 months. Yes, we can do that.
If you mean - cause Iraq to become just like Canada or Australia then no, we won't win. There will likeley be a civil war between Sunni and Shia with the Kurds in there for afters. Ulster style civilian shootings until ethnic partition Balkans style.
We will be long gone by then, of course.
Who benefits most do you think? The local farmer who just got priced out of the market by the 'free food'? Or western agri business perhaps?
... all they are asking is that you stop subsidising your farmers and them come to the table and compete. Free food ain't the future.
Surely the best thing is to let third world farmers compete and survive and build and invest for the future
As for guns guns guns. You sold/gave them to [insert name of dictator who was previously a western ally] so just don't do that in future and that would probably help.
maybe you are right in terms of the total number of theoretical applications but if you constrain yourself to those few apps that people would actually want to run, then you never ever have to compile. I am talking about Moz, OO.org, Apache, games etc. All of these /could/ be sold over the counter but they are all products of the internet and get 'sold' down the wire.
You can make money out of people by selling them carconogenic products /and/ be researching the cure drug too ... it's win win!
say 150k in sterling so enough to pay for a co-ordinator, 2 researchers, a tiny office and some kit for one year.
want to imagine what the entire EU pays to microsoft each year right now?
--> "Last time I checked, even German economical growth is grinding to halt and unemployment rates are on the rise. No small part of this can be attributed to the huge tax load on inviduals and companies as a deterrent to enterpreneurial spirit"
...
Actually mostly to do with a) absorbing East Germany and the raw costs associated with that and b) struggling to meet the monetarist demands of the ECB and its rather deflationary "stability pact".
One will even out over time and the other is likely to be junked within the next year or so
And in what way does the UK not have a welfare state? It has a huge one (ooer).
LOL. Ok, answer is of course, yes. I would save as an rtf and email that. They will open the file, read it and print it out to be taken to the shortlisting meeting. Unless you think that they will open the file fine but *then* notice that it is an rtf and then mark me down for not having gone out and bought a copy of word 200 especially ...
...
I genuinely think that your point is pointless in both the real and your own special world
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Oh come on - you think that they are really going to put this kind of a barrier down that will potentially exclude the best candidate for the job, maybe the perfect person?
...
I recruit people and I spend most of my time thinking about how to *expand* my net not the other way round!
Sheesh - I can imagine the CEO of justgoneunder.com asking his management team - so how come we couldn't recruit smarter people? Oh, cos we specified that they had to be using the most recent software from a single supplier and it's true that we got less applicants than usual but what the hey - the ones we got were easier to process
"As sorry as it is we need a monopoly to beat a monopoly."
If there can be a new entrant to the marketplace this easily, then MS cannot genuinely have a monopoly in the strictest sense of the word.
What it means is that what were previously corps in a different market are now potential entrants to more cross-connected markets. This should be very scary for MS.
How can this really work, though. You are saying that demand for coffee will decrease as starbucks withdraws ... hmmm.
I think that people, finding that what was a starbucks is now closed, and finding that the nearest single starbucks is crammed, will seek alternatives.
Here in the uk - this mantra was repeated every day by the CBI and other employers groups. We then put in a minimum wage and ... unemployment and inflation continue to fall. Even the CBI now agrees that they were mistaken.
Sorry.