I may be mistaken, but you seem to be confusing 'lust' with things like 'love' and other so-say higher order drives - lust is essentially an instinctual, pre-programmed thing. Presumably you're aware of a qualitative difference in internal state between love and 'mere' lust.
Whether or not we'd be happy to say a robot could experience it, depends to some extent on whether you look at it from a top-down, or bottom-up perspective..
That we'd get anything other than a stream of 'spank the monkey' jokes, I suppose.
I mean, I'll grant you that they're easy... But for all that the circumstances of the study make for plenty of nice crass jokes, it does raise some very interesting questions - hands up who else thought watching sports, and porn, were singularly human proclivities?
Apart from the mild fascination attatched to what this tells us about our extra-fuzzy relatives, it gives an interesting perspective on what it is to be human, how divorced are we from our fellow animals? From those things we like to refer to as 'animal instincts'?
But, since it's all too easy.. I'll let you construct a joke based on dominant monkeys, and American politics, as an exercise for the reader.
Warren Spector agrees with you. There are.. significant benefits to 'smoke and mirrors' AI. Games, after all are meant to be fun.
It may help if you think of advancing AI opponents, not as just being 'better', because that really is much too easy - there is zero technical challenge in creating an AI that always knows where you are, can run faster, and never misses. The challenge comes in making the AI 'dumb' in more interesting ways.
Bad form, to reply to trolling ACs... but I'm grouchy this morning, and you've pissed me off.
Fuck off, and die in a rat hole. Really. Douglas Adams touched a lot of people's lives, and a lot of us were deeply saddened by his death.
I understand that you're rolling along fine, repressing your feelings of loneliness and inadequacy, until they form a bitter ball of bile that splashes out into trolling, without the fucking balls to even do it without hiding away like a coward.
Some people however are a touch better adjusted, and feel comfortable expressing actual feelings about people they care about. Douglas Adams was, apart from being a great author and a lot of other things, a really nice guy. (Guess what, you're allowed to care about people of the same sex, and it doesn't make you gay! Amazing isn't it!)
Returning to my main point - fuck off and die in a rat hole. And now I need my coffee.
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Watch the bugger doing it - I got knocked back for an internship by these dudes, but I did get to see the system.
It's bloody amazing, the amazing bit being it deduces how to play from first principles, starting with just the ability to identify that what it's being shown is an object.
Takes about 30 minutes to get rolling, but it really is stunning to watch! Hell, object differentiation is hard enough, deducing the rules of play, and tactics as well?
For Asimovian robots, the Three Laws, are implicit in the construction of the positronic brain - the mathematical etc. frameworks that what we refer to as the Three Laws consist of are the basis of all robot brains. So the assumption is that you simply can't design a brain which doesn't include them, without starting over again and constructing a whole new sort of mathematics to do it with.
Tell you what, read Neil Gaiman's blog on this, which the terrifyingly sane and sensible first poster linked.
And then retract your initial comments, when you realise that a. Gaiman is one of the two writers, b. he wrote it a while ago and Dreamworks rejected it, c. Bob Z. is making it because he was blown away by Gaiman's script.
Then start to midly freak out because it's going to be motion capture. Like Polar-Bloody-Express.
But you did just install cydoor, kudos to them for actually rolling this, but I'm happy sticking with the alternatives until a version not spyware ridden appears.
I'll repeat that, because it isn't made instantly clear (fairly clear, but not as clear as I'd like): eXeem will install cydoor, with no opt-out.
There are just so many jokes to make on the women come, women go -/. crowd connection that I'm just going to sit here and snigger instead of getting around to cooking breakfast.
I find it slightly interesting that the majority/. response here appears to be cynicism, even ignoring the spurious statistic and the misleading headline.
Surely it is simply good sense that species resident on multiple planets, and particularly in multiple solar systems throughout the galaxy, and indeed the universe, are more likely to survive?
Don't put all your eggs in one basket and all that - multiple planets in one system means the species has a better chance of surving a planet level extinction event, multiple solar systems means the species survives past the end of one star, multiple galaxies...
And of course, that's ignoring the other benefits potentially offered. I just find it a bit unexpected that/.ers, the cutting edge of geekery, people weaned on Asimov and Star Trek, have such a cynical response..
Don't be silly - the lightsaber would cut the hand off at the joint. He'd need either super glue to reattatch it, or significant surgery to remove the now embedded joint so the hand could be replaced, or a whole new arm.
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Who cares? Really. Why does it matter, that we have franchises? Why is it important (and here's my caveat) as long as we innovate and improve within them.
The Mario games are an uber-franchise, Mario 64 was both evolutionary and revolutionary. Metroid Prime is part of the Metroid franchise. Are you going to tell me that it didn't innovate within that?
Half-Life 2, happens to be the sequel to Half-Life. That's a problem?
Here's something - franchises allow innovation with minimal risk for the developer. They can almost certainly know they'll make money, because they've got a huge whack of good will, and brand recognition. They've got carte blanche to experiment within the framework, with minimal risk, which is more of an incentive to take that step. I'd call that a Good Thing.
I've spent a lot of time on trains and coaches over the last few years - Virgin food comes in above First Great Western if you ask me. The bacon paninis and smoked salmon bagels aren't at all bad.
Fucking pain that they only sell virgin cola though.
Uh... Maybe in the USA they still use some sort of lawnmower equivalent to those huge gas-guzzling cars, but over here in the UK most people I know use the incredibly light, easy to use flymo varients for mowing their lawns.
However!
This is somewhat true, but not really important - the Three Laws as and the way they integrate into the design of positronic brains are of course fictional. This has no bearing on whether or not the Three Laws are useful concepts to keep in mind when designing robots, particularly robots which have true AI.
To clarify, as other posters have said - with a sensible system, I don't see the big risk. Just store a hash on the card and use it to pull the info from a secure database. Of course, I wouldn't bet on that happening..
Not that I'm bothered really, I'm not American, and I decline to use a car.
I see almost no issue in including RFID tags in this instance - you carry the thing to show who you are, and that you're allowed to drive this car.
The only issue I see is the potential for snooping, and I'm not sure why that's really a big risk.
I do take issue with the 9/11 thing being dragged in - why is it that you lot are letting the government push through all this crap? None of it has any bearing on 9/11! The hijackers were already in the country, had valid visas etc. etc. What the hell do drivers licenses have to do with it?
On the webcast. Wow. I mean really - ok, it isn't the moon landings, but it is one of the more significant things I'm likely to see in my life I think.
I have to say, it brought a tear to my eye when they did it. Yo, America - you guys have something to be proud of today!
So hang on, Nintendo are taking note of the interesting work done by the community, and instead of just copying that work, actually hiring the people who did it.. and this is bad?
Also not a first - they did the same with the backlight technology for the SP.
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I may be mistaken, but you seem to be confusing 'lust' with things like 'love' and other so-say higher order drives - lust is essentially an instinctual, pre-programmed thing. Presumably you're aware of a qualitative difference in internal state between love and 'mere' lust.
Whether or not we'd be happy to say a robot could experience it, depends to some extent on whether you look at it from a top-down, or bottom-up perspective..
That we'd get anything other than a stream of 'spank the monkey' jokes, I suppose.
I mean, I'll grant you that they're easy... But for all that the circumstances of the study make for plenty of nice crass jokes, it does raise some very interesting questions - hands up who else thought watching sports, and porn, were singularly human proclivities?
Apart from the mild fascination attatched to what this tells us about our extra-fuzzy relatives, it gives an interesting perspective on what it is to be human, how divorced are we from our fellow animals? From those things we like to refer to as 'animal instincts'?
But, since it's all too easy.. I'll let you construct a joke based on dominant monkeys, and American politics, as an exercise for the reader.
At this point in time.. I honestly can't think of many people, besides Nintendo, I'd rather see owning Nintendo..
I mean, obviously you're joking, b... Oh shit. Er, II have to go back to going down on my girl. Damn women....
Warren Spector agrees with you. There are.. significant benefits to 'smoke and mirrors' AI. Games, after all are meant to be fun.
It may help if you think of advancing AI opponents, not as just being 'better', because that really is much too easy - there is zero technical challenge in creating an AI that always knows where you are, can run faster, and never misses. The challenge comes in making the AI 'dumb' in more interesting ways.
Bad form, to reply to trolling ACs... but I'm grouchy this morning, and you've pissed me off.
Fuck off, and die in a rat hole. Really. Douglas Adams touched a lot of people's lives, and a lot of us were deeply saddened by his death.
I understand that you're rolling along fine, repressing your feelings of loneliness and inadequacy, until they form a bitter ball of bile that splashes out into trolling, without the fucking balls to even do it without hiding away like a coward.
Some people however are a touch better adjusted, and feel comfortable expressing actual feelings about people they care about. Douglas Adams was, apart from being a great author and a lot of other things, a really nice guy. (Guess what, you're allowed to care about people of the same sex, and it doesn't make you gay! Amazing isn't it!)
Returning to my main point - fuck off and die in a rat hole. And now I need my coffee.
Watch the bugger doing it - I got knocked back for an internship by these dudes, but I did get to see the system.
It's bloody amazing, the amazing bit being it deduces how to play from first principles, starting with just the ability to identify that what it's being shown is an object.
Takes about 30 minutes to get rolling, but it really is stunning to watch! Hell, object differentiation is hard enough, deducing the rules of play, and tactics as well?
For Asimovian robots, the Three Laws, are implicit in the construction of the positronic brain - the mathematical etc. frameworks that what we refer to as the Three Laws consist of are the basis of all robot brains. So the assumption is that you simply can't design a brain which doesn't include them, without starting over again and constructing a whole new sort of mathematics to do it with.
However this applies only to Asimovian robots.
Tell you what, read Neil Gaiman's blog on this, which the terrifyingly sane and sensible first poster linked.
And then retract your initial comments, when you realise that a. Gaiman is one of the two writers, b. he wrote it a while ago and Dreamworks rejected it, c. Bob Z. is making it because he was blown away by Gaiman's script.
Then start to midly freak out because it's going to be motion capture. Like Polar-Bloody-Express.
Yeah, so you didn't install the eXeem toolbar.
But you did just install cydoor, kudos to them for actually rolling this, but I'm happy sticking with the alternatives until a version not spyware ridden appears.
I'll repeat that, because it isn't made instantly clear (fairly clear, but not as clear as I'd like): eXeem will install cydoor, with no opt-out.
Ye gods...
/. crowd connection that I'm just going to sit here and snigger instead of getting around to cooking breakfast.
There are just so many jokes to make on the women come, women go -
I find it slightly interesting that the majority /. response here appears to be cynicism, even ignoring the spurious statistic and the misleading headline.
/.ers, the cutting edge of geekery, people weaned on Asimov and Star Trek, have such a cynical response..
Surely it is simply good sense that species resident on multiple planets, and particularly in multiple solar systems throughout the galaxy, and indeed the universe, are more likely to survive?
Don't put all your eggs in one basket and all that - multiple planets in one system means the species has a better chance of surving a planet level extinction event, multiple solar systems means the species survives past the end of one star, multiple galaxies...
And of course, that's ignoring the other benefits potentially offered. I just find it a bit unexpected that
You leeching bastard! ;)
Don't be silly - the lightsaber would cut the hand off at the joint. He'd need either super glue to reattatch it, or significant surgery to remove the now embedded joint so the hand could be replaced, or a whole new arm.
</pedant mode>
I don't believe I just did that..
Ok, here's a crazy thing to say:
Who cares? Really. Why does it matter, that we have franchises? Why is it important (and here's my caveat) as long as we innovate and improve within them.
The Mario games are an uber-franchise, Mario 64 was both evolutionary and revolutionary. Metroid Prime is part of the Metroid franchise. Are you going to tell me that it didn't innovate within that?
Half-Life 2, happens to be the sequel to Half-Life. That's a problem?
Here's something - franchises allow innovation with minimal risk for the developer. They can almost certainly know they'll make money, because they've got a huge whack of good will, and brand recognition. They've got carte blanche to experiment within the framework, with minimal risk, which is more of an incentive to take that step. I'd call that a Good Thing.
Specifically, who's going to be replying to these questions - Gabe & Tycho, or Mike & Jerry?
For that matter - how significant is the difference between them?
You fucking idiots. Love and kisses, The rest of the world
Oh I don't know.
I've spent a lot of time on trains and coaches over the last few years - Virgin food comes in above First Great Western if you ask me. The bacon paninis and smoked salmon bagels aren't at all bad.
Fucking pain that they only sell virgin cola though.
Uh... Maybe in the USA they still use some sort of lawnmower equivalent to those huge gas-guzzling cars, but over here in the UK most people I know use the incredibly light, easy to use flymo varients for mowing their lawns.
Bad form, replying to a troll reply to my post.
However!
This is somewhat true, but not really important - the Three Laws as and the way they integrate into the design of positronic brains are of course fictional. This has no bearing on whether or not the Three Laws are useful concepts to keep in mind when designing robots, particularly robots which have true AI.
Ahem. Three Laws only apply to the design of positronic brains.
Just to be really fucking pedantic.
Guess I'll just have to leech instead then.
To clarify, as other posters have said - with a sensible system, I don't see the big risk. Just store a hash on the card and use it to pull the info from a secure database. Of course, I wouldn't bet on that happening..
Not that I'm bothered really, I'm not American, and I decline to use a car.
I see almost no issue in including RFID tags in this instance - you carry the thing to show who you are, and that you're allowed to drive this car.
The only issue I see is the potential for snooping, and I'm not sure why that's really a big risk.
I do take issue with the 9/11 thing being dragged in - why is it that you lot are letting the government push through all this crap? None of it has any bearing on 9/11! The hijackers were already in the country, had valid visas etc. etc. What the hell do drivers licenses have to do with it?
On the webcast. Wow. I mean really - ok, it isn't the moon landings, but it is one of the more significant things I'm likely to see in my life I think.
I have to say, it brought a tear to my eye when they did it. Yo, America - you guys have something to be proud of today!
So hang on, Nintendo are taking note of the interesting work done by the community, and instead of just copying that work, actually hiring the people who did it.. and this is bad?
Also not a first - they did the same with the backlight technology for the SP.