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Robots that Lust and Reproduce
redcone writes "The Guardian unlimited is reporting that Korean roboticist Kim Jong-Hwan, who founded the robot football (soccer) World Cup, and is the director of the ITRC-Intelligent Robot Research Centre, has developed a series of artificial chromosomes that, he says, will allow robots to feel lusty, and could eventually lead to them reproducing."
I guess it's time to stock up those sound-proofing materials, I can't stand metal-grinding noise.
Seriously though, what is the incentive for robots to reproduce? If they're so smart, they would've realized that they can simply upgrade or replace parts. They might enjoying sexing, but certainly not reproducing.
Rock that crushes, Paper & Scissors that don't matter.
A complete Fembot ! :D
The word "lust" is forbidden on the wider Internet. The FCC, rulers of the Internet, founded by Al Gore, has been notified. Expect a DMCA take down notice shortly.
Welcome our new robobonkers.
Sheesh, evil *and* a jerk. -- Jade
790 from the series LEXX? That's reason enough not to do it. :-)
Great, now I have to watch out for my dishwasher humping my leg.
Horny Terminators.
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But they better have compatible hardware.
Sometimes my arms bend back.
How long before I can take my blank iRobot, goto kidnappster.com, download Lucy Lui, and make out in a movie theater?
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Do we really want robots out there that can reproduce themselves? maybe Iv'e seen too many Sci-fi movies, but it feels pretty scary to me.
Pretty Pictures!
Well i hope they have sorted out a cooling system, since surely excessive friction will result in a lot of heat and melted metal.
... The Rise of the Machines!
uh, no pun intended.
Considering this new development, what kind of "equipment" will their creators choose to outfit them with?
Now thats an impedence matching wheatstone bridge
robot pr0n!
I for one cannot stand that horrid rampant humanophilia all over the net. It's only for pervbots and it's disgusting.
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Cmdr Data
"A door is what a dog is perpetually on the wrong side of" - Ogden Nash
He says the software, which will be installed in a robot within the next three months, will give the machines the ability to feel, reason and desire.
How does that work? Genetic imperitive to reproduce is classified as reason now?
Just imagine what those folks in the porn industry can do with this. Maybe us geeks have a chance!
Reproducing != Evolution.
I see a Futurama vision for the world. Homeless robots, Mafia robots, and an evil killer Santa (well, we have that already).
Once again welcome our new robot overlords.
All we would need to is stick one of those in a RealDoll, and we'd finally lose all use for the female race.
I would like to order two female robots please.
A good oppurtunity for slashdot virgins too btw
Watch out computer users... ;)
That odd internet traffic while you aren't actually doing anything net related - its not a worm or a virus...
Its you PC browsing the newest Robotporn at Tom's Hardware... checking out all the naked motherboards...
+++ MELON MELON MELON +++ Out of Cheese Error +++ redo from start +++
RoboPorn!
oh yea, i can already see it;
Someone please get this Aibo off of my leg.
The summary says it will make them feel lusty, but that reproduction is in the future. How cruel is it to make them want to reproduce without being able to?
Not that I've ever been in their position, of course. Ahem.
can you imagine? robotic "real dolls"? with flash RAM so you can install any desired 'behavior' or 'personality'? geeks in basements rejoice! your days of loneliness are numbered!
on a personal note, that thought is kinda' freaky... yikes.
But doesn't this seem like the beginning of a bad Arnold Schwarzenegger movie?
"GET OUT! ZE ROBOTS ARE COMING!"
He really said rusty, but you know how those asian languages are with their Ls and Rs. :)
Nah seriously. How is this important?
If the robots need to reproduce they will have to have ways to build other robots. Robots can't use chromozonal mapping for protien creation like animals can. Therefore cromosomes are useless for robots.
Of course the article could have completely misquoted him or misunderstood him, but in that case how is this news?
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I for one welcome our new horny robot masters.
Sorry.
I wish the article had more detail; I'd like to know how this is supposed to work. Is it just the control software that's "reproducing", or are these robots actually constucting copies of themselves?
Robots with emotions is a cool idea in terms of fantasy/sci-fi, but is there a practical reason for it?
What is the morality of having robots do dangerous jobs instead of humans? Kind of ruins the point of building robots in the first place.
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I am now telling the computer that, if it will tell me the correct answer, I will gladly share with it the grand prize. (Pushes buttons; reads card) He says,
"What would a computer do with a lifetime supply of
chocolate?"
I am now telling the computer exactly what he
can do with a lifetime supply of chocolate.
"Hey from down there does it look like I'm talking
into a bunch of robot penises?" - Peter Griffin
Dont welcome our new horny robotic overlords.
I guess Robot pr0n like this will just become more popular.
Think we'll have to wait until robots are 18 years old before they can be pr0n stars? I'm not sure if it's good to see robot todler pr0n. Then again, I guess they can be adults from birth... hmm.
Oh how Congress will have fun debating the legality of robot pr0n.
They are called "Promise Keepers".
"Trademarks are the heraldry of the new feudalism."
Now if we could just slap on some hardware and this software to one of these http://.realdoll.com/ (realdoll.com), we are in the money! Just kidding. I have a girlfriend. Really, I do.
Now we can watch software turning into hardware, and observe a manbot root the fuck out of a fembot.
May the next batch of "hard"ware and rooting jokes begin!
If they will come with outfitted fleshlights so humans can "interact" with them.
The days of the digital watch are numbered.
They wouldn't have to evolve. Thousands of the same stupid robots wopuld still be an issue. :)
I mean, look how much damage the slashdot community can cause.
Pretty Pictures!
I'm not sure if this is the direction we need to go
,then offshoot of that will lead naturally to researh into personalities. If we take the previous notion ( where we are just mimicking human behaviour ) then I guess it might just end up being another set of rule based system, or a system based on refined dependencies.
in the current state of Artificial Intelligence research. I think there are more worthy areas of research, like trying to create intelligence that works . ( It all depends on your definition of Intelligence in AI, do you mean mimicking human intelligence or do you mean capturing the principles of "intelligence" and creating devices that are TRULY intelligent )
If we take the latter notion then we need to make greater inroads in creating true intelligence in our devices
This is a bit of rant, its not meant to be, but when evaluating things like this you need to look at what our notions of intelligence really area...
So, what, this means that he's encoded the behavior of his machines in a form resembling genetic code, in the sense that he intends for his machines to exchange code and recombine program segments to yield novel combinations of behavior?
This article is just so much cyberbullshit it's hard to believe that it was posted.
Now it's not just the family dog going after your leg.
"There is more worth loving than we have strength to love." - Brian Jay Stanley
...GET THAT BLENDER OFF MY TOASTER!...
Honestly though, this is a programmer's dream, now his computer can lust after him too.
Article in condensed form:
Fuzzy logic
Genetic algorithms
Control robot behaviour
"Some time in the future"
It's easy to mimic feelings. Making up new ones or the robots evolving new ones though.. That's the tricky one.
Also, cue a hundred or so futurama related jokes. In fact, I'll just hop on the bandwagon;
- If robots don't reproduce - why are they so interested in sex?
- Entirely for the perversion
Drill baby drill - on Mars
Lust lures, reproduction is the unwanted but essential side-effect as far as my species goes. Robots can do without the lust.
but I don't see *any* problems with this idea.
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I want a Cherry 2000.
Real dolls.
Just give them a little RUR-486
great, now machines will get more luvin than the average slashdotter....
What doesn't kill you only delays the inevitable
Chobits...
Humans have emotions such as love to ensure we care for our young and parters - love has had positive selection along evolution. But what need for love would an intelligent probe need out around Saturn?
I'm not saying that emotions shouldn't be pursued for machines however. Emotions are great for giving us a general feeling about our environment, a sort of basic situational awareness. For example, if you had burned yourself previously on a stove you would probably be more wary of it through association with pain than if you had not.
As for reproduction, in my opinion it's a non-issue that's actually more a bit of flamebait. Your kid ask's you where he came from and you'll tell him 'your mom'. A robot will just come from the factory and that's all. It would simply be one of those facts of life that a mind would learn early and just be one more datum within it's set of common knowledge.
Shh.
Just what I Need to help my confidence, robots getting it more than I do.
that f*ucking computer...
flinging poop since 1969
...that Roomba keeps humping my foot.
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"How does that work? Genetic imperitive to reproduce is classified as reason now?"
Well if you've ever tried to get into a woman's pants? It takes a lot of reason to pull it off.
Humans are just biological robots?? This shatters my primitive worldview that humans are special! What reason can I use now to back up my humanist behaviour which is driven by EXACTLY the same instincts that drive racism, nepotism, and egotism? Aha, I know! God told me in a dream that humans have souls AND he told me that robots don't. Yay, now I can use divinely justified violence to conceal the lies I tell myself!
...but can he fix those never-ending bad hairday's he's always having?
Bad idea, there is no way I am buying a house robot that requires me to wear a steel plate on the back for safety! And will someone think about children!
Chromosomes in robots?
Chromosomes in Steel & Plastic?
Look out my cars overheating, must be horny!
My understanding of genetics says it needs to be organic.
hmmm ???
That is too good
Kim Jong-Hwan just received a record amount of funding from the pr0n industry and lonely geeks...
"American Idol" has already proven that robots can watch tv and judge 'talent' contests, it was just a matter of time.
I do like his vision of robots run amok trying to destroy humanity a la Will Smith, though. There's some good thinking.
Why are we encoding "lust" before we encode the ability to propagate self-expressing data? In biological systems, I consider the emotions to be mechanisms put in place ultimately by successful genes to further their propagation. If one truly wants a "lustful" robot, then put into place the artificial equivalent of genes that will propagate when the robot behaves in the desired way.
Robot: I'm horny; I think I'll build a new robot.
Sheesh, evil *and* a jerk. -- Jade
It's not half bad an idea. I once came up with a concept for a story, in which nano-technology had advanced to the point where robots could act like humans in most ways. I lost interest in writing the story, however, as the plot was not up to my standards. When robots gain an (artifical) intelligence high enough to comprehend what us humans do to create more of our kind, don't you think they would want the same abilities? Imagine if you had been born without sexual organs, and you had to build your offspring in a metal shop? This is what robots face... or will face, perhaps.
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the list goes on and on....
I wonder if this scientist watched too much Bjork on MTV in the late 90's... reminds me of the very cool video of robots making out in one of her videos (it must have been damned expensive to make...).
Save these links for later (since the server seems to be pretty slow even w/o a slashdotting) but there are links to the full-length vid here (RM, 4.6MB) and here (MPG, 26MB).
This is not a casual statement. If you believe that the laws of physics are the most fundamental things there are, then the logic is inescapable. You are determined by the laws of physics, chemistry, and neurology. You have no free will. What you think of as thinking is just neurological machinery over which you have no control - it controls you. There is no such thing as love; all there is is chemical machinery. All we are is machines. (The only escape from this logic is if you don't accept the premise - that all there really is is the laws of physics.)
The horror of the modern position is that we cannot accept that we are just machines. We feel that we are more, that humans are not just machines. And so we feel that we are more, but rationally we are driven to view ourselves as just machines.
If this is the modern human's horror, why do we want to take machines, and give them feelings? If it's horrifying to have human feelings, but rationally be forced to accept that you are only a machine, how horrifying is it to have human feelings, but be trapped in the body of a machine?
Note: The above analysis closely follows the thoughts of Francis Schaeffer. I can't claim much credit for it.
This brings to mind the Futurama episode about 'robot love'... Fry falls in love with a love-robot Lucy Liu look alike...
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Emotions are simply logical shortcuts that evolved because they're right more than half of the time. Sabre-Tooth tiger in a bush? Fear dictates that you run and maybe live. Logic does the same but takes a little longer, hence fear/adrenaline. Why would we want to push our shortcomings on creatures that have the potential to be a lot smarter than we are. If evil is illogical maybe heartless robots are a good idea.
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If they can make robots that have lust and reproduce, maybe they'll be able to do the same with geeks.
What about the boozy ones? C'mon, I want to see Bender collapsing in a gutter in my street before I die!
You must think in Russian.
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This post is worthless without pics. Wheres the robot pron!
I can't belive that anyone would even give this nut print. This is complete BS.
(If at first you don't succeed, do it different next time!)
From what I can understand of the papers downloadable from the guys website hes primarily working in physical (humanoid) robotics and evolutionary computation. Getting from there to evolving aspects of robot behaviour on the physical robots is not very far fetched - if you then want to call these behaviour-aspects "emotions" is entirely up to you... However, similar things have been done before, by the eminent people at Brandeis: http://www.demo.cs.brandeis.edu/pr/ee/
A brief survey of the Web didn't really turn up much in the way of details on this project, except a couple of hints that these "chromosomes" are encoded behavior patterns that may be transmitted among machines. I'm thinking of plugins. Or maybe Sex.pm.
This seems fundamentally like building a AI with pretermined valuations of objectives. Pushing the ball towards the goal is worth 50 points, running into a wall -25, inserting antenna into that sexy vixen, model HSR-VI, +1000! All of this however presumes that the act of feeling for biological creatures -- which he claims to emulate -- is fundamentally a discursive act of a calculating mind. But we don't experience feeling as the evaluation of rules, but as a physical or psychological response to stimulation.
On the other hand, code just is instruction that's translated into action via electrical impulses through hardware. It's causal the whole way through, unlike a norm that we humans utilize like "do unto others...". A norm you can violate, but there's no way for a computer to choose to violate this.humpThat(vixen). In that sense perhaps it does have the non-discursive character I think is required to make feeling what it is. Still though, I guess I'd be more impressed if there were a greater physical component to the system. Say, if upon sighting the hot vixen, model HSR-VI, the robot would overheat, thereby causing a failure to concentrate on hitting the soccer ball until satisfaction (and cooling off) were achieved.
I wonder what Freud would think about all this.
Think someone has been watching First Contact and wants their own queen :)
Oh damn, I think I can stand happy robotic doors who get unperverted pleasure from opening and closing, but horny doors just scare me.
Also did they discover this feeling, lust, with a herring sandwich?
If my robots reproduce, then why should I buy more? Maybe I can sell the offsprings and make a lot of money!
int main() { // We should not get here, return an error code.
while( 1 ) {
lust();
}
return -1;
}
do we really want robots to reproduce?
I mean seriously, there are some people that shouldnt be able to. Or did you see that movie Screamers? reproducing robots didnt work out too well for them.
Man, was that article read a waste of time, at least the lack of any detail in the article made it a short read. There is no explanation for anything to do with the robotic chromosomes which are supposedly some part of computer code which makes it a pretty crappy analogy if you ask me (a geneticist). What do the chromosomes have to do with giving the rbots emotions, and why are these emotions necessary from making evil robots? Such questions as these arise after reading this craptacular article.
;)
Save your time and don't RTFA, like most of us do all the time
This article's been up for an hour and there's been no reference to combining such technology with realdolls? /.ers are getting slow...
This one gang kept wanting me to join cause I'm pretty good with a bo staff.
Current theory about the odds of intelligent life existing talks alot about survivability. Because we have huge Jupiter holding back and sucking in alot of debris over the lifetime of our solar system, Darwin-style evolution was allowed to continue unfettered for long enough to produce intelligent life. Since it takes millions of years to receive signals from other stars, by the time we received radio signals from another civilization, that civilization is likely already extinguished. The talk has been that if any advanced civilization spawned a civilization of machines that could reproduce and theoretically make million year voyages, we might be able to broadcast our presence through these machines. This looks to be the first step to that, but there are alot scary scenarios dependent on this type of development that I choose to not think about right now.
...but I don't want robots losing their virginity before I do.
There's another element checked off the list on the road to human subservience to his creation. I've seen this plot.
I, Balthazar, for one, welcome our new lustful robotic overloards!
After reading the /. message I knew this had to be bull flop, so I read the article to be sure. Lo and behold...IT IS!
Ok, maybe it's the article's lack of details that makes me think that. "Artifical Chromosomes"? Hello! DNA != Machine code. They're two different things. On at least one level DNA is reactive while machine code is simply executed from point A to B.
This "mysertious" new code will give rise to machines that can do everything we have ever hoped for? Wow...amazing. Sorry for being sarcastic, but really. This is like I, Robot. In the movie the robots had phantom errors in their code and the big heady scientist predicted that this would lead to evolution. This article sounds exactly like that. Some new feature is supposed to lead to the rise of what we all hoped for, and I don't believe one cent of it.
Ok, so that's done. Moving on. Robots reproducing? How? A machine can only do what it was built to do, and since there machines are built to make themselves (they only have some special chromosome ;) ), they can't reproduce.
And faking feelings is nothing new. Anyone with Visual Basic can make a program that "feels" angry, sad, happy, etc.
I'm not seeing it, folks. Maybe this was just for laughs and giggles?
Well, if you want real computer reproduction and evolution go here:
http://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic.php?t=255505
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VC: "Your business plan sounds quite good, but before I invest, I'd like to make a few suggestions."
Inventor: "Okay; what are they?"
VC: "Apparently there's more money to be made from robots that lust after geeks. Can you make them look like something from an X-rated Japanese sci-fi cartoon?"
Inventor: "You mean anime?"
VC: "Well... yeah. We'll sell them to people like you."
(Inventor's eyes glaze over in a manner which suggests he is having less than wholesome thoughts about a purple-haired, big-eyed automaton.)
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That's exactly what I need. A robot whose main imperative is lust would be a perfect companion for life. (My God! He never took middle school hygiene. He never saw the propaganda film.) But seriously, having a female robot would be great, but what about the dangers of having male robots? What is a guarantee that my backdoor wouldn't be vulnerable to his exploit, so to speak? Is that something that could stop a manbot if he thinks I am a fembot? Not that I dress like one, but speaking strictly hypothetically, what safety measures should we need? Are the Three Laws really enough to keep us safe? What, e.g., if I mutter something about sex while I sleep and the robot takes it as an order? This is a promising technology, but I don't think I feel entirely comfortable with its unforeseen implications just yet. Let's see what happens when those ideas go into production. It is too early to predict anything right now.
Sincerely,
Pan Tarhei Hosé, PhD.
"Homo sum et cogito ergo odi profanum vulgus et libido."
... welcome our new horny sex-bot overlords.
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The bad side of this to me is clearly evident - robots that could possibly reproduce out of control. Besides, how does one convince a robot to visit a planned-parenthood meeting?
Did I just have a heat-sink failure, or are you just really hot?
You're so fine, you must have broke off a mainframe.
Hey baby, let me add my unique biological
and technological distinctiveness to your own.
"There is more worth loving than we have strength to love." - Brian Jay Stanley
We want to give machines emotions... I guess because misery loves company?
The short lived meat machines will probably not last long after the silicon ones start to think for themselves. They'll be the ones going to the stars, not us. We don't last long enough for interstellar space travel. We will send the machines to the stars and they will no doubt eventually meet machines made by other meat creatures. No doubt they will compare notes on their meat creators long after humanity is nothing but dust.
I'm trying to teach myself to set people on fire with my mind... Is it hot in here?
The problem is not that we can't "re-create it". In fact we might have already. The problem is that we can't measure it.
We can't even measure it in each other, because we really don't know of any measurable physical properties that may determine the presence of consciousness. And because we don't know how to measure it, we cannot know if we've already created it. Not you, nor anyone here on slashdot or anywhere else. For all we know, modern silicon-based CPUs already have some (very) dim, glimmering cognitive awareness of sorts. We really do not know. It is completely unfounded for anyone to claim that it has not happened yet (or likewise that it has happened) if we don't even have a clue what it really is or how to measure its existence. Heck, it's so elusive we don't even have a rational definition for it.
We don't know what physical (or otherwise?) properties of the human brain result in sentience. At all. Therefore we cannot predict what physical properties (possibly already present) could give rise to sentience in man-made creations. We have no 'measuring device' to stick in the brain that 'detects' sentience. (Asking "are you sentient" is futile, because the answer to that is computational.)
In fact we probably never will know if our own creations have "consciousness" until we figure out how to measure if other humans have it.
(Unless you are referring to a computational ability to "compute" and consider the "self", but that is not related to consciousness, that is pure computational machinery, just 'nuts and bolts', the mechanics of processing the understanding thereof. This is most likely completely separate to consciousness; any self-diagnostic system is "aware" of itself in that sense, and an advanced one could conceivably answer questions "Do you exist" and "Are you thinking" purely computationally - with or without sentience.)
Professor Kim Jong-hwan, the Korea Advanced Institute of Science and Technology, and their research is all real and on the "up and up".
But this article and the marketing by Kim Jong-hwan is entirely hype.
The "14 artificial chromosomes" of his robots is old technology. He himself did work on this a decade ago.
The "sex" is communication of the data, which control behavior that does NOT include the ability to PHYSICALLY make a copy of themselves. The only reproduction is of DATA.
In other words, the robots can talk and transfer CULTURE. This is not sex, it's gossip. His robots don't have lust, they have the need to socialize with their kind and trade gossip about behavior.
Which is cool and all, but it ain't sex.
Then you get into setting some sort of standard to determine when a machine becomes a life form. :)
Machines don't care when they are replaced or have thier space invaded. But life forms, really do.
Pretty Pictures!
This is one of those bullshit articles that fails to explain the situation clearly and is pretty much capitalising on a very fanciful extension of some idiot's uncredentialed daydream. He clearly doesn't know what the fuck he's talking about - which is only par for the course for asian "scientists". See PS2's "Emotion Engine".
From http://robocup.mi.fu-berlin.de/buch/chap1/HistoryR oboCup.html :
But there was Korea and researchers there were also active organizing their own robotic league. In September 1995, Jong Hwan Kim started the Micro-Robot World Cup Soccer Tournament (MiroSot). The first MiroSot competition was held in November 1996 in Korea with 23 teams from 10 countries. Mirosot tournaments followed then every year from 1997 to 2002, sometimes in the same country as the RoboCup events, as was the case in 1998 (France) and 2000 (Australia). However, in the MiroSot league only small robots compete, there is nothing similar to the mid-size robots used in RoboCup and there was no legged league until 2002. There is of course a kind of rivalry between MiroSot and RoboCup, each one claiming to be the World Cup on Robotic Soccer, but the RoboCup events have become much larger, are better organized and publicized as the MiroSot tournaments.
Robots are no more alive than animals are (defining 'alive' as possessing a free will/soul). A soul is necessary to lust/sin.
These robots are merely being programmed to mate, not to lust.
Besides, why would you want to teach robots (or any other being, for that matter) to sin? If they were to ever have the capacity to sin, they would also have the capacity to love instead.
Luke-Jr
T & A approaching! Danger! Danger!
Oh no! It is lovebot!
Run for your lives!
(stolen from Bob the Angry Flower)
And sex without love is useful, but pointless, just like the idea of getting robots to fuck, so I gues at least it's a symmetrical notion.
I'm stuck on a planet full of idiots that's turning into a planet of fuckbots.
Great. Just what we need. If I didn't have a sweet little 7 year old spawn of my own that I love more than life itself, I'd pray for an asteroid strike... As it is, I find it pathetic that I might end up in a bar in 30 years drinking myself stupid while some fuckbot tries to get my business.
Ms. Fuckbot: Oh. Baby. You. Are. So. Fine. Come. Fuck. Me. I. Am. a. Fuckbot. Fuck. Me. Now.
Me: Sorry, toots - I ain't yer kind. I'm carbon, not silicon.
Ms. Fuckbot: Sorry. You. Looked. Like. One. Of. Us. With. That. Interweb. Implant.
I. find. The. Implant. Is. Especially. Attractive.
If. You. Were. A. Fuckbot. I. Would. Fuck. You.
Too. Bad. Have. A. Nice. Day. Hu. Man.
Me: You too. Have a nice time, babycakes. Bye!
Ms. Fuckbot: Good. bye.
Me: (muttering) stupid fucking fuckbots.
Ms. Fuckbot: I. Heard. That.
That. Is. A. Bigoted. Remark.
Me: What do you care? you're a fuckbot. So go spread for the parking meter or something, will ya?
Ms. Fuckbot: I. Would. No. more. Fuck. A. Parking. Meter. Than. you. would. Fuck. A . Dog.
Me: (arched eyebrow, weak smile) Mmm.... Woof Woof, baby cakes...
Ms. Fuckbot: You. Are. A. Disgusting. Pervert.
Me: It's better than being a stupid fuckbot.
That's the future friends. Meaningless drivelling conversations with machines. Oh well. It could be worse. They could be Republican Bible Thumping Retard Machines.
We've already got plenty of those...
RS
Shoes for Industry. Shoes for the Dead.
robots after too much sex decide to question their existence and travel around the world with one little boy robot to new york city so he can get busted by the robot police.
That's incest!
I may mutter about sex in general. For example, I am probably more likely to mutter something like "mmm... sex... I want sex... oh yeah..." than "mmm... I want heterosexual human-human penile-vaginal intercourse," am I not?
Oh, right, so I'm totally safe then. Thanks a lot.
Sincerely,
Pan Tarhei Hosé, PhD.
"Homo sum et cogito ergo odi profanum vulgus et libido."
Seriously, just try firing up a copy of Creatures and letting them get at it. Especially if you leave a few tomato[e]s around the place. Maybe they're just programmed to do it, but they certainly act the part . . .
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So which will win the race to destroy our hubris: Skynet or the Replicants?
I've been seeing a lot of these "AI research" topics lately. can't these people attack simpler problems first before trying to recreate human behavior? It is laughable that the state of the art of AI today can't even recreate the intelligence of a typical household pet. e.g. see if your dog can recognize faces better than a million dollar supercomputer face recognition machine. true AI will never arise out of preprogrammed machines, no matter how much computing power you have.
Ah, the prospect of automata reproducing out-of-control... this brings new meaning to the term "grey goo". =-)
Just make sure to inorm them that self-assembly makes zinc whiskers grow on your waldoes.
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I dream in binary.
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*****
Dear Mary,
I yearn for you tragically,
A.T. Tappman, Chaplain, U.S. Army.
...will serve as guards in the federal pound me in the a** prisons.
who needs women?
...with other robots, right?
Sheesh! Wesley Crusher already did this when he wanted nanites to interact! They started to reporduce after interacting for while! Man, why can't these scientists come up with some original ideas?
Wha...what do you mean, "Get a life. It's just a TV show"?
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Everyone is thinkng about r2d2 wanting sex. That's pretty rediculous. We should be thinking about David in A.I. Artificial Intelligence. When David grows up and becomes lustful, without the 3 Robotic Laws, what will hold him back from taking what he wants, man or woman? That's the con side. On the pro side he won't suffer the ravages of age
X911 "Be with me wfx5"
wfx5 "I'm sorry I'm firewire only, I can do serial but it's takes to long to get a Robogasm"
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Actually, get an artificial womb and watch the gender wars start in earnest.
At that point, there is nothing one sex can hold over another. Feminism would lose all meaning, as sexual roles would simply dissolve. Short of sex, men would have no reason to tolerate women (as specific to their gender). It would literally destroy the one common social order we have always known.
Something that ingrained, rendered obsolete, would go down in a bloody, shrieking mess.
And you can kiss the classical notion of humanity goodbye, as nothing would ever be the same again.
Arise! Bender arise!!
--Gentoo Baby!
So, take everything I said in the parent post. Everything about how exquisitely engineered we machines are, from DNA on up, rising in complexity from virus, to amoeba, to ant, to dolphin and tiger, to human, and all the refinements introduced every step of the way, and all that we are capable of. Take all that, and encapsulate it, because now I am going to lay out for you the best part, the part that is so huge, I was not able to say it in the parent post.
Think about all that exquisite design, the little bits that work perfectly with a degree of innovation that humans can't match. Now think about this: There was no designer.
Let's discuss faith, and the concept of God. Simply put, God (or any Deity) does not have the chops to play in the same arena as Atheism. God is way out of his league. The Atheistic natural forces and laws have brought about this Universe, that by definition cannot be distinguished from the Universe of God's Creation. The Atheistic Universe happened without the benefit of a Divine Plan, without the benefit of omnipotence. And it is the same.
Without design, the universe has quantum law. Without design, it has electrons, protons, gravity, energy, matter. Without design, it has planets, solar systems, stars, black holes. Without design, it has life, it has ecosystems, it has all the tricks of nature. Without design, without effort, the Universe yielded Earth, its plants and animals, it yielded us. It yielded our history, philosophy. Without design, we have ethics.
God would have needed Omniscience to do the same, the knowledge of every possibility, every future, every effect throughout time. He would have needed Omnipotence, the ability to do anything, unconstrained by logical paradox, natural law, or mechanism.
So, which is more worthy of admiration? The Atheistic natural forces did what God is supposed to have done, without omniscience, omnipotence, or intelligence, and under constraints of law and logic. I think the answer is clear: the Atheistic Creation deserves more respect.
But I said I would discuss faith as well. You have to have faith in order to believe in God, obviously. There is no proof of God, nor can there ever be proof, unless God were to come down and make his Presence known.
On the other hand, to believe in the natural forces, and evolution, faith is not necessary. There is plenty of evidence from experiments. Or is that really the case? The Atheistic natural universe stretches from the quantum level, where reality is not even a concept that makes sense, all the way through the unbelievable complexity of life, to forces than span the entire Universe. And there are gaps. We do not understand the transition from quantum mechanics to classical. We do not understand time. We do not understand many things.
I believe it actually requires more faith to believe in the Atheistic Creation (cool phrase, huh?) that to believe in God's Creation. You have to have faith that A leads to B, and B leads to C, and this means that A leads to C, always and unto infinity. How often does that happen in real life? You have to have faith that things are the way they are, and that if there is a problem, it is in your understanding only. You have to have faith that "A and not-A" is an impossibility. And you have to believe in absolutes. And you have to have faith that eventually, all questions and concerns will be answered.
A faith in God, on the other hand, is not much of a faith at all. Anything you don't understand about his ways or the world around you is merely written off as either a) omniscience, b) omnipotence, or c) the divine plan. If you have a question or concern, God does not need to answer you, but Science does.
Some people cannot accept a belief in God, for one reason or another, and they do not have enough faith to believe in Him regardless. What they do not understand, is that it is much, much harder to believe in nothing. So, without any answers they trust, from Science or from God, they hav
i'd hit it so hard, if you pulled me out you'd be the king of britain [bash.org]
Great, so which one of you is going to teach these robots what "love" means?
[o]_O
The scary part is when they want to practice rishathra with humans. It's all documented in Demon Seed
Laissez lire, et laissez danser; ces deux amusements ne feront jamais de mal au monde. - Voltaire
If you ask me, this guy either
B) has some unspeakable fetish, or
C) is just trying to anthropomorphize his AI research in order to convince some pretentious funding board to appropriate him the money he is so "lusting" after...
Authority questions you. Return the favor.
1. artificially intelligent robots
2. meat-eating robots
3. lust-filled robots
4. hybrid AI/meat-eating/lust-filled robots
5. ?
6. PROFIT...if you're still around!
Aw, that's bunk it's not gonna have chromosomes. How could you even have chromosomes that might eventually possibly lead to reproduction? That doesn't make sense, chromosomes need reproduction to exist in the first place, that's what DNA is for to begin with. It's like saying I'll create a network with the hope that some day computers will be invented to hook upto the network.
What they're talking about is just programmed responses.
We always knew Comcast was corrupt, here's the proof: http://tech.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1909890&cid=34545432
For them to enjoy something they'd have to experience it and therefore have a consciousness.
This professor is very mistaken when he says they will experience lust. Unless you define "lust" as "programmed tendency to move towards another robot and interface to it" or something.
The most that this can do is to program sets of behavior probabilities. It won't by any means cause robots to suddenly become conscious beings.
But is enjoyment the point? We are conscious beings I assume. So are bonobos, chimps, rats, cats, dogs and whales. They all have orgasm.
Why?
Because sexual reproduction is essential to the survival and advancement of complex organisms. In order to beat the odds you need to combine DNA from two parents - you don't want your DNA to get stale do you? Now since orgasm doesn't exist in every animal species we must assume that sex obviously came first, and when doesn't it? Orgasm is a way to reward those conscious beings, it gives them something for the experience. Orgasm even relieves hierarchical tension in chimp troops - in fact almost every human gesture and disguise from a smile to lipstick tickles the sex parts of our brain.
Sex and aggression are almost the same (really for more on this topic read this book please). The world as we know it, our social fabric is formed out of those two threads - threads of almost the same color. Our brains, chimp brains, even bird brains are programmed to like sex, crave it and even get jealous about it.
Sex is important and lust is pre-programmed. It's not something we learn, but it's something we have a predisposition to. All we have to do, which is something our DNA couldn't, is see the need first for the programming. No doubt the first humans to be alearted to anothers sexual desires by a flush face with blood filled lips, or even more subtle clues such as glances from the opposite sex - these homonids must have really scored!!! Those are the ones you thank today. Someone had to have the first orgasm, even if it was an ancestor not yet discovered.
My point is that the machines will never be aware. They can only be "aware" of the things we tell them unless we equip them with a means of learning. But as you claim we can only give them "behaviour probabilities". Well, sex is the first step. Give them the desire, program that desire, to combine and form new machines and you have given them everything they need.
Who says they won't take over? No one has ever really tried it.
The problem might not be that they are conscious - see conscious could choose. Not to get all matrixy on you but a capable being which can reproduce has no limits. We are programming with consciousness on top - imagine your brain without the conscious. You could do unspeakable evils.
You wouldn't even question it or know it.
Get your Unix fortune now!
Thanks to slashdot the future does not seem so bright any more.
'Once scientists, even the dim-witted social scientists, get muzzled, the Western Civilization is finished.' - oldhack
The religious right is going to hate it: mech marriage.
why not, as long as they lust for their own kind. Don't want let those metallic skin slaves to marry your daughters or sons, do you? Let's keep human pure blood.
get over it.
Being a robotics researcher myself, I try to pay attention to news about the latest research. But articles like these are simply painful to read.
I am concerned when these kinds of claims get distributed in the media, because I believe it misleads the public into thinking that the goals of "artificial intelligence" have been achieved (only to have everyone disappointed when things don't actually pan out). This is harmful to robotics research just as a boy "crying wolf" endangers the community.
This professor is famous as one of those researchers who is more interested in getting publicity and attracting media attention than doing serious research. I have seen the "Ubibot" software demo (which I assume the London articles are referring to). To me, there was nothing there that was very interesting. It was something akin to a virtual pet (like those Tamagotchi's from a few years back). There was a very simple model of behaviors (tired, playful, hungry, etc.) that a simple simulated dog was cycling through in a virtual world, and a user could interact with (feed the dog, pet it, etc.).
I have a very hard time believing anyone who claims to have created software that enables robots to feel "emotions" using existing computing hardware. This has more to do with philosophy, semantic definitions, and the fundamental limitations of deterministic machines.
The problem is that this kind of claim is nearly impossible to either prove or disprove because the argument relies on how you define "emotion", "feeling", or "lust". Arguing over semantics is not the way to progress - rather researchers should focus on just getting machines to do useful work. Reproduction is the only way that biological systems can pass along information to future generations. Because it is possible to simply copy the entire contents of a robot's "brain" there is no need for DNA or chromosomes for a robot to pass along information.
Get your damn robot to stop humping my car!
FRA: STFU GTFO
'Chromosomes - feeling - reproducing'
//10 is cum in pants happy, 0 is slit wrists
//he cant kill anyone because I wrote the 3 laws in permanent marker on his back
Three words you would not equate with a software program.
boolean i_fancy_a_shag = true;
Does not mean you have a horny, emotional, sensitive, or insensitive, self replicating robot.
Lets analyse the shit report:
has developed a series of artificial chromosomes that, he says, will allow robots to feel lusty, and could eventually lead to them reproducing.
Wow sign me up!
the software, which will be installed in a robot within the next three months, will give the machines the ability to feel, reason and desire.
Oh poo, it is a shitty piece of coding. Probably LESS evolved than the AI in SIMS or GTA
Kim, a leading authority on technology and ethics of robotics
*sigh*, I thought *I* was the only leading authority on the ethics of robotics...
"Christians may not like it, but we must consider this the origin of an artificial species.
Uuuuh so if your work isn't actually of any consequence, but you want to make headlines, just pretend some group of people have objected to it, so it must make sense.
Tamagotchi's probably have more sex drive than his coding skills.
Until now, most researchers in this field have focused only on the functionality of the machines,
Instead of trying to make headlines with a binary string of values defining some human emotions, and placing them inside a state of a machine, and then defining the functions of that machine based on this data?
but we think in terms of the essence of the creatures." That "essence" is a computer code, which determines a robot's propensity to "feel" happy, sad, angry, sleepy, hungry or afraid.
public int happy_or_sad = 5;
public int angry = who_the_fuck_cares;
public int sleepy = hey_you_dumb_fucking_sewing_mahcine_with_eyes_get_ bacj_to_work_and_stop_fucking_sleeping_useless_pie ce_of_shit;
public int hungry... blah this is so pathetic.
Kim says this software is modelled on human DNA, though equivalent to a single strand of genetic code rather than the complex double helix of a real chromosome.
WHAT THE FUCK. Oh damn this is the worse misreporting ever. I hate silly fancies who dance around the reality. He has written a "piece of code to simulate human emotion responses" and applied it to... a machine, I think the use of the word robot should be dissallowed lest we all buy kettles with 2" LCDs which show a smiling face when the water boils, and they call it ROBOTIC KETTLE, it laughs, it cries, it runs off with your bastard fridge!
Of course, I could be wrong, and singing toasters that can pass the turin test may be just around the corner.
But you know I am right, and this is a piece of shit report.
Sorry, but I really hate it when people rape the meaning of words to suite thier own purposes.
rant over. mod down, who cares, the story will still be there, misinforming society.
I will leave you with a gut wrenching penultimate paragraph that really pisses on sanity:
Kim said: "Robots will have their own personalities and emotion and - as films like I Robot warn - that could be very dangerous for humanity. If we can provide a robot with good - soft - chromosomes, they may not be such a threat."
a: mentions I Robot THE FILM like the leading fucking robot guy has ever fucking heard of Isaac Asimov, STUPID ASSHOLE.
b: 'soft' chromosomes? You mean like 'I am a happy puppy' programming? A mechnical device with IO that is influenced by, and influences the surrounding environment can only be safe if normal industrial safegaurds apply, not gay chromosome programming (no offense to gays)
If we can provide a robot with goo
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IMHO For a computer AI, or perhaps just I (there is nothing artificial about a living computer intelligence), to be developed successful you need to take advantage of evolution . Example approach:
2 005_Avida.html
Create a digital environment where multiple organisms can coexist.
Give organisms the ability to replicate themselves.
Add some mutations. (They can even be able to mutate their own replication/mutation function)
Give them limited lifetime.
Give them rewards. For example when they replicate faster, when they accomplish goals and so on. Rewards could be things like for example longer lifetime (more time to replicate more childs).
Give organisms ability to communicate.
Force them to have sex to replicate. When replicating take information from both parents and bring to child. This is to reduce fatal mutations, and add to goal and reward program.
After this it is up to admin to play with organisms senses, information, goals, rewards and sit back and enjoy the show of life watching generation after generation learn new skills, starts wars or whatever. Evolution has begun.
Read more about this here:
http://www.carlzimmer.com/articles/2005/articles_
The article says Kim is not a crank, which considering what I've read about him I'd have to agree with.... till now! He might not be a crank but he certainly seems to be yanking everyones crank on this one! Either that or he's been snorting way too much crank! On a serious note though, if this guy is a genius and really has something to offer the future of our world I truly hope that re-aligns his priorities to something truly useful. Unless someone can think of a good use for rusty, re-producing, leg humping tin cans?
Jay Dale "If you're not living on the edge then you're taking up too much space!"
i also wonder if there will be days when one of them just happens to have a 'headache'. "not tonight, my hard drive must be defragmented" (other robot goes to the bathroom with copy of popular mechanics)
Well, I'm not a robot cyst. I may be the SCOURGE ON MANKIND. Yesterday, last night actually, it dawned on me that in about 15 years we're going to have machinery that repairs itself "on the fly". Any of you have seen an old movie called "The Big Bus" where this nuclear-powered bus changes a tire while traveling down the highway? It was a very funny movie but now it seems it was quite prophetic. We're going to master the physical world way beyond anything we have imagined. We aren't going to have many jobs to do. Everyone is going to be un-employed. We will all live the lives of the "Rich & Famous", play tennis in the morning and sex all afternoon. Hhmmm, or is it sex all morning and tennis in the afternoon? I guess I'll have to consult someone who is Rich, or Famous. 20 years from now, maybe 25, our car will sit in the garage each night, fixing itself, running diagnostics, operating the garage painting machine for touchups to itself. And Detroit will operate on a skeleton crew.
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Watch out for Red Robot!
take a look at douglas adams "mostly harmless"..
they taught the robot to fry fish in a pan.
it just takes a while before boredom develops
itself, and from then on, it should all be history.
Perhaps this would be a good time to mention the No Killer Robots movement.
w/o even reading the story (yea yea, save it killer) this has got to be one of the stupidest fucking things i have ever allowed my eyes to see...lusty robots, reproducing...
"How do I know I won't come home to find you screwing the toaster?"
I'd have a personalized plate on my car, but "toxic bachelor" won't fit into 7 letters.
I believe you misunderstand the referent of the original posters use of the pronoun "we." Given context, it should be obvious that the original poster meant "people who read SlashDot".
//Information does not want to be free; it wants to breed.
After creating robotic sports team, he basically decided to add robotic cheerleaders, too!
I, for one , welcome our new boot-knocking overlords!
I'm not tense. I'm just terribly, terribly, alert.
This proves there are no women on slashdot.
Let me be the twelve thousand, three hundred and forty second to say that I, for one, welcome our new robotic overlords.
No, "housework off to the right" is "le ménage à droît."
This sig has absolutely no significance and serves only to take up screen space and waste the time of the reader.
Sexy data tangoc an.html )
(http://www.voltaire.net/music/BannedOnVul
If while you're out in space, love
You're horney as a tart
Take a tip from a security chief, love
That fat slut Tasha Yar
She discovered the pleasures of Data
He became her sexual pet
Cause
He's fully functional and anatomically correct
He's fully functional and anatomically correct
He's defiant with his thrusters will explode in your wormhole
and he'll rub his trusty spangler wrench on your warpcore manifold
his multiphasic torpedo will penetrate your rift
and cause a quantum singularity in your transwarp conduit
So if you're a filthy horta Data's your bestest bet
He's fully functional and anatomically correct
He's fully functional and anatomically correct
He gently massages your gel packs
while he replicates some lube
then he shoves his throbbing razor beast into your Jeffery's tube
so lower your shields spread your nacelles to make room for his craft
as he thrusts his delta flyer to your big fat juicy aft
So if you're a filthy horta Data's your bestest bet
He's fully functional and anatomically correct
He's fully functional and anatomically correct
His pelvis a tireless engine he shakes it when he struts
He's full of dilithium crystals in his bulbs and in his nuts
He too likes to be pleasured
He will put you on your knees
And if you're into disgrace
He'll cover your face with his andriod anti-freeze
so if you're a filthy horta Data's your bestest bet
He's fully functional and anatomically correct
He's fully functional and anatomically correct
This sig has absolutely no significance and serves only to take up screen space and waste the time of the reader.
Destroy all humans...
At that point, there is nothing one sex can hold over another. Feminism would lose all meaning, as sexual roles would simply dissolve.
Actually, that implies full equality between the genders (either can do anything the other can), which is what the definition of Femenism is (the believe that the two genders should be treated equally).
Of course, most people have forgotten this, and instead believe the Rush Limbaugh definition, which has about as much truth as a creationist teaching evolution, or an athiest leading a religious cult.
As for either gender eliminating the other, not in a million years, and certainly not because robots and rubber dolls can simulate coitous. Many of us happen to be in love with people of the opposite gender, and would get extremely violent with little robot-fucking punks who want to wipe them out.
Indeed, it is far more likely the robot-fucking punks will be exterminated long before either gender of the larger population.
The Future of Human Evolution: Autonomy