What about ATM's? Everyone uses thes systems daily. The banking software is very mature in this respect. If the government was pretty smart, they could force ATM's to be voting machines as well. You enter your card and pin (issued by the government) and follow the on screen voting. You get a receipt saying who you voted for.
This makes voting easier to the masses. Since we all trust these ATM machines now with our most precious possesion (money), we could certainly trust them with a vote.
If you are seriously asking about it being Vector Based, you would be correct. It IS vector based. The last meeting I went to had a couple MS employees showing off Longhorn and highlighting all the cool stuff which included vector graphics for even icons. Pretty interesting things.
I can't agree more. This about the most stupid article I could have ever hoped to see on this topic. I am sure some short sighted person said such things about the automobile when it first arrived. Probably something like "If you don't understand how your car works, and can't fix it yourself, you will be walking everywhere."
Give me a break. Programming has become such a complex subject, that there is no way the majority of users could ever hope to achieve the level of proficiency needed to even code the simplest of applications. It takes a majority of coders 5-10 years to become 'experts'. That is why there are application developers, and the users they write applications for. If we (the application developers) do our job right, then we can satisfy the users needs without them having to know how to write code. This lets the users concentrate on using the applications that were written to perform other business needs that they will spend their time studying.
To prove my point that this will never happen, I have an example. Out of the 40 people that started a Java class in my college, only 6 of us finished it. 34 couldn't keep pace and couldn't understand it. The class wasn't that hard. One chapter a week, and one little app a week to re-enforce the chapter's materials. How is 'everyone' going to learn programming if that many can't hack a beginning class?
If it works for him, great. Most of the time though, businesses change. With this change comes greater software demand. This demand for greater more powerful software leads to new hardware purchases.
But you are right, computers don't slow down over time unless the operator causes it to (installing apps that run in the background, fraging up the hard drive, etc).
That is a bunch of FUD. I work with MS products daily, and the problems I have are caused by me and my code (and or design). I think maybe 1 or 2 problems in like 7 years were bugs in the MS software side. Sure, we chased our tail on them, but in the end, there was a work around already posted on the MS site until the bug was fixed. Having that central location (MSDN) to get that information is what is seriously lacking for Linux development in my opinion. Plus, we only probably spent 3 days total on those couple problems. That isn't to bad in my book. I don't think switching to Linux development is going to help in this regard. If you are running into undocumented problems in MS code, then you will probably be running into undocumented problems in Linux code as well.
If no actual classified discussion is taking place in that room, it doesn't matter. But if classified conversations are happening in that room, it should be taken out. I delt with the classified stuff while I was in the Air Force. We had to go to great limits.
I think you are full of crap. I got hired on with no professional programming experience at over 3 times your rate. It is contract work, but sounds like the same thing you are doing. If you are telling the truth, I would be amazed. I am in southern Washington, which is the same region as you, and I am not seeing such desperation that people would think about 9 an hour. 18, sure, not 9.
I just build a form for the user to enter the information in. I post it for form processing on the server, and then send myself the email from there. I figure if it is a legit email to me, I can respond and the user can then have my email address.
All community web sites should not allow direct emailing to users. It should always be implemented via a form so a tool can't scan posts on their site for email addresses. I raise all hell when I find a comunity based site that does this...
Not really the point of the poster. The machines he is specifying are cheap, like around 500-1000 dollars cheap. WELL below the 20,000 price the poster is posting. Through another couple thousand dollars at the hardware and a few more for licenses from MS, you are only looking like 5000-10000 dollars for more than enough power to do what the poster needs to do.
The problem is the poster doesn't know very much about.Net and the technologies he wants to use.
Yes, it is funny how people get them confused. I had a Java class in College, all the HTML people that just finished the course thought that Java would be cool to take (thinking that they could do some cool tricks on their HTML page). Not knowing that they were actually thinking of JavaScript, not Java. Out of 40 people that took the class, only 6 of us finished it. I would say 30 of those 40 thought that it was JavaScript and quit. The others just sucked at programming.
Exactly what I was thinking. Just typical MS bashing. They would bash even if the tides were turned. They would be saying.... "MS sucks, they can't even get such and such feature in."
Since it will be hard to find people that believe the same as you here at/., I will. I, for one, am sold on.Net development as well. I enjoy it immensely; it is too bad that a lot of people here won't even give it a try because it is a MS product.
You're not too bright, are you? I would say those 'stupid' users that use Windows Update are actually the smart users. They want to keep their systems up-to-date. This prevents them from having all the security vulnerabilities that pop up over time..
It isn't the OS's fault in this case, it is usually the developers faults. I create many apps that don't require rebooting. I even use the computer I mentioned above as a testing computer at times. My applications crash, but they don't bring down the OS.
I admit, I don't use linux (A shock is sent through the slashdot community), but you are saying linux never has to be rebooted if the software being installed is complex and ties into the system pretty deep? (I am being sincere here, this is a real question being asked, I am not mocking anyone)
My Windows XP box runs for at least a few months at a time. It gets continual use from my wife, which can crash computers pretty good sometimes. Sorry to say for all the windows bashers out there, Windows XP now fits the bill as a reliable OS for consumers.
Crashes happen, but not very often at all. Most of the time I reboot is only because some stupid software being installed wants it.
It's been over 30 years since we sent a human being to another world, for heaven's sake.
Remind me, what world did we visit? I know we visited a satellite of earths called the moon, but I don't remember humans ever going to another world.
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What about ATM's? Everyone uses thes systems daily. The banking software is very mature in this respect. If the government was pretty smart, they could force ATM's to be voting machines as well. You enter your card and pin (issued by the government) and follow the on screen voting. You get a receipt saying who you voted for.
This makes voting easier to the masses. Since we all trust these ATM machines now with our most precious possesion (money), we could certainly trust them with a vote.
Just a thought of mine.
If you are seriously asking about it being Vector Based, you would be correct. It IS vector based. The last meeting I went to had a couple MS employees showing off Longhorn and highlighting all the cool stuff which included vector graphics for even icons. Pretty interesting things.
I have more real copies than I know what to do with. I have at least 4 (probably more) different official disks with Win 98 or Win 98 2nd ed.
I have never had to pirate win 98, but know many who did.
$24 - WHAT! Where do you shop? Did she want some collectors edition signed by the artist?
Come on. $15 I could have believed.
I can't agree more. This about the most stupid article I could have ever hoped to see on this topic. I am sure some short sighted person said such things about the automobile when it first arrived. Probably something like "If you don't understand how your car works, and can't fix it yourself, you will be walking everywhere."
Give me a break. Programming has become such a complex subject, that there is no way the majority of users could ever hope to achieve the level of proficiency needed to even code the simplest of applications. It takes a majority of coders 5-10 years to become 'experts'. That is why there are application developers, and the users they write applications for. If we (the application developers) do our job right, then we can satisfy the users needs without them having to know how to write code. This lets the users concentrate on using the applications that were written to perform other business needs that they will spend their time studying.
To prove my point that this will never happen, I have an example. Out of the 40 people that started a Java class in my college, only 6 of us finished it. 34 couldn't keep pace and couldn't understand it. The class wasn't that hard. One chapter a week, and one little app a week to re-enforce the chapter's materials. How is 'everyone' going to learn programming if that many can't hack a beginning class?
If it works for him, great. Most of the time though, businesses change. With this change comes greater software demand. This demand for greater more powerful software leads to new hardware purchases.
But you are right, computers don't slow down over time unless the operator causes it to (installing apps that run in the background, fraging up the hard drive, etc).
That is a bunch of FUD. I work with MS products daily, and the problems I have are caused by me and my code (and or design). I think maybe 1 or 2 problems in like 7 years were bugs in the MS software side. Sure, we chased our tail on them, but in the end, there was a work around already posted on the MS site until the bug was fixed. Having that central location (MSDN) to get that information is what is seriously lacking for Linux development in my opinion. Plus, we only probably spent 3 days total on those couple problems. That isn't to bad in my book. I don't think switching to Linux development is going to help in this regard. If you are running into undocumented problems in MS code, then you will probably be running into undocumented problems in Linux code as well.
About time someone makes it easy enough for the geeks to understand. I agree with you.
If no actual classified discussion is taking place in that room, it doesn't matter. But if classified conversations are happening in that room, it should be taken out. I delt with the classified stuff while I was in the Air Force. We had to go to great limits.
Yes there are strings attached, they are called RIAA lawsuits.
I think you are full of crap. I got hired on with no professional programming experience at over 3 times your rate. It is contract work, but sounds like the same thing you are doing. If you are telling the truth, I would be amazed. I am in southern Washington, which is the same region as you, and I am not seeing such desperation that people would think about 9 an hour. 18, sure, not 9.
My first contract gig was at 35 an hour. That was this year. I would say nothing less than that.
I just build a form for the user to enter the information in. I post it for form processing on the server, and then send myself the email from there. I figure if it is a legit email to me, I can respond and the user can then have my email address. All community web sites should not allow direct emailing to users. It should always be implemented via a form so a tool can't scan posts on their site for email addresses. I raise all hell when I find a comunity based site that does this...
Not really the point of the poster. The machines he is specifying are cheap, like around 500-1000 dollars cheap. WELL below the 20,000 price the poster is posting. Through another couple thousand dollars at the hardware and a few more for licenses from MS, you are only looking like 5000-10000 dollars for more than enough power to do what the poster needs to do. The problem is the poster doesn't know very much about .Net and the technologies he wants to use.
Yes, it is funny how people get them confused. I had a Java class in College, all the HTML people that just finished the course thought that Java would be cool to take (thinking that they could do some cool tricks on their HTML page). Not knowing that they were actually thinking of JavaScript, not Java. Out of 40 people that took the class, only 6 of us finished it. I would say 30 of those 40 thought that it was JavaScript and quit. The others just sucked at programming.
Exactly what I was thinking. Just typical MS bashing. They would bash even if the tides were turned. They would be saying.... "MS sucks, they can't even get such and such feature in."
So typical of slashdot.
Since it will be hard to find people that believe the same as you here at /., I will. I, for one, am sold on .Net development as well. I enjoy it immensely; it is too bad that a lot of people here won't even give it a try because it is a MS product.
You're not too bright, are you? I would say those 'stupid' users that use Windows Update are actually the smart users. They want to keep their systems up-to-date. This prevents them from having all the security vulnerabilities that pop up over time..
It isn't the OS's fault in this case, it is usually the developers faults. I create many apps that don't require rebooting. I even use the computer I mentioned above as a testing computer at times. My applications crash, but they don't bring down the OS.
I admit, I don't use linux (A shock is sent through the slashdot community), but you are saying linux never has to be rebooted if the software being installed is complex and ties into the system pretty deep? (I am being sincere here, this is a real question being asked, I am not mocking anyone)
VS.net is not selling well and making only slim profits because corporations are cutting budgets and will not pay for it.
I am very much interested in where you get your facts from? Made up perhaps?
My Windows XP box runs for at least a few months at a time. It gets continual use from my wife, which can crash computers pretty good sometimes. Sorry to say for all the windows bashers out there, Windows XP now fits the bill as a reliable OS for consumers.
Crashes happen, but not very often at all. Most of the time I reboot is only because some stupid software being installed wants it.
Ohh, heaven forbid you had to go outside! What you are getting is free, quit complaining.
If you don't agree with my statements, feel free to prove me wrong with real facts.
Send me a message with the code your using, let me give it a shot.
It's been over 30 years since we sent a human being to another world, for heaven's sake. Remind me, what world did we visit? I know we visited a satellite of earths called the moon, but I don't remember humans ever going to another world.
I am moving to Washington in two weeks, I am kind of glad to know about Volt before hand. I was actually looking into them.