They literally are the McDonalds of computing. If it's not to your perfect like, they'll take it back and give you what they messed up on. If it's broke, they fix it fast. Exactly the way that fast food chain does..
---Not until such punitive action has a basis in the law which, in turn, are set by your national, democratically elected body.
I was under the impression that it took either a legislative action to make it "allowable" or a judge to set precidence and bypass the legislative action needed (therby legislating from the bench).
---What you're referring to is the tyranny of the majority. In a representative democracy even the majority can't dictate all the rules - and that's a very good thing.
I guess I still dont understand. What's the exact difference from Democracy (not representative democracy) and "Tyranny of the Majority" ? It sounds like sour grapes for whom dont get what they want..
---If all the Harry Potter fans had given to charity instead of buying the books and watching the movies, that would be hundreds of millions of dollars;
For one, the lady who made Harry Potter was on welfare in England at the time. She tried publishing her book to numerous book studios, which subsequently turned her down. As a snippet from Publishers Weekly article published on December 21, 1998...
"Lacking child care and unable to take a job without it, she [Rowling] went on public assistance. In many ways, she says, it was one of the lowest points of her life."
and,
"She found Christopher Little in 1995, in the Writers' & Artists' Yearbook (the UK equivalent of Literary Market Place). He was the second agent to see her book -- the first had sent it back "virtually by return of post," with a form letter. In the year that followed, three publishers declined the book on the grounds that it was too long for children."
So seriously, it was completely possible that the millions of dollars be spend elsewhere..
And as your "point"--- If all the Harry Potter fans had given to charity
----Definitely failures of the marketplace when the sellers generate a reality distortion field of Branding and the buyers are hypnotized by it.
Wrong, advertising in capitalism is expected, as is paying higher money for the appearence of better goods. Whether those goods outpreform the average, is the key.
---My girlfriend loves Starbucks coffee and pays a huge premium for their pedestrian flavo drinks. Look inside an Apple computer and you see a collection of off-the-shelf chips and drives.
Of course, along with the Apple-only chips.
---People who are loyal to the Dell brand insist that they are solid machines -- even though they are really no different than any other collection of Taiwan/China parts.
That right there is the root of failure of capitalism. In order to compete, you (the company selling goods) must be ever vigilant to lower prices, either by cutting manpower, lowering quality, more innovative ways to manufacture and other various ways.
Lower prices are good, right? Well, the problems that occur with this is a simple limit. When prices are reduced continually, the lowest they may come is the materials cost + labor cost + lack of efficency cost. The materials may be the machines required, or the actual ores or resources required. With a pure capitalist market (we're very close), you end up with the labor cost being as low as it can be. Just in this market, the lowest is minimum wage, or 5.15$ an hour (if Im right.. its around there). The people who have very little or no money are esentially factored out of the market, due to having no driving force (driving force is spending money). As a third point, people are innefficent, and it pays to have efficency (or it lowers cost).
The problem you get into is thus: materials are usally bight from other companies. Thus they are also perpetuated in his cycle. Second, you need to find people or processes (yes, machines) that are more efficent. If this means cutting jobs for 99% efficent machines, all the better. Third is the labor cost.. warm bodies. Skill is being taken out of many jobs, so that the employers can pay less and less (it approaches minimum wage). Instead, if people were told by computers what to do, and how to do it (by way of a program with the required job skills pre-programmed like a dictionary), you could pay them minimum wage. They would have no recourse. And if technology was that complex, perhaps even rudimentary AI could run places paying minimum wage and up... What would result is massive layoffs of millions. Even wal-mart hires about 1.5 Million (last I checked). If they were to switch to a more efficent fleet, you'd have 1.5 million without a job, and no jobs to "replace" those displaced jobs.
Go search up "Jobless Recovery" to understand. Very scary, if anything.
This is a prime example of the failure of Capitalism.
The idea was that competition would bring down prices of products to the lowest sustainable price.. Instead we have the same corporation pricing items discrimatorially. This is the opposite effect that the founders of this country (based econimically on Capitalism) intended.
Gah. This system doesnt work as of now in real life.
Where's the "Government" taxing software and copies like Linux or other OSS stuff? There is none. People can mix stuff together with very little cost (cost of internet connection and time to transfer) and see a greater result than what each put in.
Who'd here benefit for a driver to read EXT2 filesystems?
Who'd here benefit to have a PCI busdriver?
Who'd here benefit to have a memory allocator driver?
Who'd here benefit having a scheduler driver?
Yet, all of these parts come together, with no more cost other than time and internet connection to create something many many people use in the world. The Linux Kernel.
Yet, thats not enough, cause it's only a piece of the whole....
This method leads to freedom, in all senses of the word. Simply, because even past the disputes, there is an air of cooperation.
However in the meatspace world, if you were to try the same, costs of products and taxes would bury you, unless you have a way to CAPITALIZE on it. In the meatspace, there's 2 major principles that drive most people: Money and Power. These 2 are balanced on a scale.. they are transferrable and they both are relatively equal. Enough money and you can buy the power. Enough power and you can force people with money into submission.
What many have not realized is that the idea of the internet and cooperation factors Money and Power out of the equasion. As of now, it only can eliminate power/money out on the virtual side, but with the advent of cheap autonomous robots, money and power could be eliminated out completely..
The only real problem is there still is one resource that you cannot easily create yet.. Energy. Energy with "robots" can do just about anything but the energy cost is the biggie. That would be rationed in this new form of "government" but if the limit was high enough, would that be "socialism" or as such?
Actually, anybody in the health profession could apply.
We had a few years ago, in northern Indiana, a registered nurse who was killing patients in the wing of the hospital. He aimed after terminally ill, elderly, deaf/mute and such who couldnt easily "complain".
They put him on trial for 9 1'st degree murders, but expected about 20+ deaths attribited to him (but couldnt not supply evidence for the rest).
Jerk? Bah. Ive been drinking since I was 6. Turns out a small (read very small) glass of wine during supper isnt soo bad. When I was 18 (you know, the age which I can sign up to go shoot and kill for our country), my parents said they'd buy me any drink I wished as long as I paid them;P
Its the ABUSE of alcohol. I learnt that early on, while friends who turned 21 went out to the bars and clubs. One died on their birthday cause they drove home.. She never had experienced alcohol.
And smoking.. Well.. When I was 2 1/2, I saw my great-grandmother die from emphysema from smoking a pipe. I saw my great-aunt die from smoking up to her death.. At times, she'd have a cig in her mouth, chewing on Nicorette gun, have a nicotine patch on her arm, all the while taking O2 from a elecrolysis machine.. Even my friend from high school who got sucked in on crack got out 2 years later.. and has turned his life around..
So, irresponsible jerk? How's about irresponsible laws?
First off, we have many many people voting who , in my mind, shouldnt.
The Constitution originally stated that only citizens with property could vote. The reasoning behind this is you allowed everyone to vote, you have the have-nots passing 'gimmee' bills to award themselves at the expense of the property owners.
Of course, that will never be held true again.. though I believe it should be.
Hard? HARD? Bah. I made automated tools to do exactly that.. And then I found out ettercap. Close enough for me.
That handles all of my connection stuff, sets up SSL spoofing, and webpage redirection.. And I see their HTTPS stream in all the comfort of MY browser window;)
---Then there was the race to sub the Ah My Goddess movie - seriously, how would that NOT be picked up?
I actually was friends with the original encoder (not IRC 'friends', mind you). I pre-viewed in the most crappy quality, the 0-day 399.97 MB divx;-) file. Yes, I "pirated".
When it came out over here, I had it pre-bought. I got it the 1'st day here in America.
I watched it in Japanese surround, Eng-subs.. And then applied the subs from the theater capture and had what I thought, in general, better subbing quality.
They got their 30$, I saw it 3 times. When it came out in theaters in Japan, when it came to a theater here where I live (Saw with my girlfriend, she loved it too), and I bought it.
I learnt that no matter where you go, there's infrared-seeking guncams that will pump 1000's of bullets in you. "Terrorists" will stumble into these rooms while you hide near the kill switch conveinantly placed under the gun.
Enemies and aliens spawn in the most obtuse places.
Kicking a coke machine results in lots of pops.
The best skill is learning how I can get to a top of a building. If I get a running start and aim my rocket launcher at my feet....
---On the other hand, games suck for looking stuff up, which is where textbooks excell. Also, a good textbook is far better in terms of brevity. It's like comparing doing an experiment to reading about it. You want to do some experiments, yes, but I'd really rather not test relativity myself.
You dont look stuff up in a "game". You refer to the manual and go page after page..
Instead, that's what search engines and dictionary engines are for. They search their own (mostly) complete library of data and find a best fit. Quick to search, quick to get data. And you can edit, pipe, and modify that data too (eg: search based in videogame use of talk command in front of "dictionary guy" ).
---Salaries are only increasing 0.5%, which means they aren't even keeping up with inflation.
Wow, government speak!
---In other words, IT salaries are actually dropping in that they're not keeping up with the ever-increasing cost of living.
In other words, when the governmnet doesnt spend as much as it thought they should, it's a Tax cut. Yeah, I see this similar funny logic.
And I didnt know that you were required to get a raise.
---In other words, start typing your resume and get ready to train your Indian replacement hired under the pretext of a "labor shortage."
Oh, come on. Who's going to trust a foreginer for their network maintenance? Or can they crawl under their desk to diagnose Cindy's network connectivity problems?
Guess what, not every job can be 'shipped out'. Figure out what jobs those might be, and get em.
---I have to agree. It's the same reason why the TV/VCR or TV/DVD combos aren't a great idea for most people.
Sheesh. Most people I know (and that is a great many) have a TV, VCR and a DVD player. The few people with combo units vcr/dvd player bought them after their vcr broke.
---Do you really want to lose your TV when you send the player out be repaired? I don't think so. Those kinds of devices appeal to a niche market.
Repaired? Who repairs consumer stuff these days? You throw it out and buy a new one. VCR's in Wal-Mart are 20-30$ and DVD players are 25-35$. Cheap cheap cheap. Yes, we live in the great throwaway society.. Well, what do you expect when a repair-kit costs 20$ and the new "drive" costs 15$ more and you can drive to pick it up?
---Isn't this really a new varient of 'man in the middle' (quite literally)?
Sure is.. Just on layer2
---Here a few ideas:
---1. An easy way to prevent this is to have your Access Point assign you a strange IP address. That way if you normally get 192.168.1.251... and you end up with 192.168.1.1... you have an idea something is wrong.
I dont like that. First off, many people wouldnt look at this (well, the ones who mattered, anyways). Second, I'd monitor the network for things like this. When I see the usual setup, i'd emulate that setup, no matter how much 'weirdness' was there.
---2. Another way to do this is a bit more complex. If you have another computer or file server at home, set up a webserver. Make sure this system is wired. Set your computer's homepage to that system (using your internal 192.168.x.x ip).
---Now whe you open your web browser... if your using your own access point, you can view that site. If your being tricked onto another Access Point... you won't be able to view it.
Thats somewhat like NoCat. If im going to half-way set up NoCat, Ill use their system, and set up the corporate login (unless its for home).
---3. Setup your computer to ONLY use WEP enabled Access points. Then the only way your connected is if your computer successfuly connects to an access point using your WEP key.... that requires the hacker to know your WEP key. Not available on all wireless software packages, etc. etc.... but for those who have the option, another decent trick.
Good idea.. though many Windows software makers dont have this option. The ones that do are good;-)
The hands down best idea is a ssh-login setup. Once you have a session, then have the password checks. If the connection is MiTM'ed, have ssh scream over the display, "HACK IN PROGRESS! CALL MANAGEMENT!". Have the SSH server only be able to decrypt to your data, and your mahcine to decrypt their data. The server should not allow any other keys to be used.
---The software evndors (HW too) almost always include the obligatory "we are not responsible for anything arising from the use of this product and we do not suggest this product is suitable for any purpose" type clauses. This is ridiculous.
Heh, I just love that phrase..
When you think about it, it means you're paying the 39.95 or whatever for a box, few pages of glossy pages and a "frisbee". The frizbee has the neat feature of showing fool colors on walls ans such..
Yet anybody else, in any industry, tried pulling that, would surely be sued into oblivion. Misrepresentation, lemon laws (when in vehicles), fraud.. you name it.
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They literally are the McDonalds of computing. If it's not to your perfect like, they'll take it back and give you what they messed up on. If it's broke, they fix it fast. Exactly the way that fast food chain does..
Would you like RAM with that?
---Not until such punitive action has a basis in the law which, in turn, are set by your national, democratically elected body.
I was under the impression that it took either a legislative action to make it "allowable" or a judge to set precidence and bypass the legislative action needed (therby legislating from the bench).
---What you're referring to is the tyranny of the majority. In a representative democracy even the majority can't dictate all the rules - and that's a very good thing.
I guess I still dont understand. What's the exact difference from Democracy (not representative democracy) and "Tyranny of the Majority" ? It sounds like sour grapes for whom dont get what they want..
Vigilante justice? If it is the majority, isnt that Democracy?
---If all the Harry Potter fans had given to charity instead of buying the books and watching the movies, that would be hundreds of millions of dollars;
For one, the lady who made Harry Potter was on welfare in England at the time. She tried publishing her book to numerous book studios, which subsequently turned her down. As a snippet from Publishers Weekly article published on December 21, 1998...
"Lacking child care and unable to take a job without it, she [Rowling] went on public assistance. In many ways, she says, it was one of the lowest points of her life."
and,
"She found Christopher Little in 1995, in the Writers' & Artists' Yearbook (the UK equivalent of Literary Market Place). He was the second agent to see her book -- the first had sent it back "virtually by return of post," with a form letter. In the year that followed, three publishers declined the book on the grounds that it was too long for children."
So seriously, it was completely possible that the millions of dollars be spend elsewhere..
And as your "point"--- If all the Harry Potter fans had given to charity
Rowlings was considered "charity".
----Definitely failures of the marketplace when the sellers generate a reality distortion field of Branding and the buyers are hypnotized by it.
Wrong, advertising in capitalism is expected, as is paying higher money for the appearence of better goods. Whether those goods outpreform the average, is the key.
---My girlfriend loves Starbucks coffee and pays a huge premium for their pedestrian flavo drinks. Look inside an Apple computer and you see a collection of off-the-shelf chips and drives.
Of course, along with the Apple-only chips.
---People who are loyal to the Dell brand insist that they are solid machines -- even though they are really no different than any other collection of Taiwan/China parts.
That right there is the root of failure of capitalism. In order to compete, you (the company selling goods) must be ever vigilant to lower prices, either by cutting manpower, lowering quality, more innovative ways to manufacture and other various ways.
Lower prices are good, right? Well, the problems that occur with this is a simple limit. When prices are reduced continually, the lowest they may come is the materials cost + labor cost + lack of efficency cost. The materials may be the machines required, or the actual ores or resources required. With a pure capitalist market (we're very close), you end up with the labor cost being as low as it can be. Just in this market, the lowest is minimum wage, or 5.15$ an hour (if Im right.. its around there). The people who have very little or no money are esentially factored out of the market, due to having no driving force (driving force is spending money). As a third point, people are innefficent, and it pays to have efficency (or it lowers cost).
The problem you get into is thus: materials are usally bight from other companies. Thus they are also perpetuated in his cycle. Second, you need to find people or processes (yes, machines) that are more efficent. If this means cutting jobs for 99% efficent machines, all the better. Third is the labor cost.. warm bodies. Skill is being taken out of many jobs, so that the employers can pay less and less (it approaches minimum wage). Instead, if people were told by computers what to do, and how to do it (by way of a program with the required job skills pre-programmed like a dictionary), you could pay them minimum wage. They would have no recourse. And if technology was that complex, perhaps even rudimentary AI could run places paying minimum wage and up... What would result is massive layoffs of millions. Even wal-mart hires about 1.5 Million (last I checked). If they were to switch to a more efficent fleet, you'd have 1.5 million without a job, and no jobs to "replace" those displaced jobs.
Go search up "Jobless Recovery" to understand. Very scary, if anything.
This is a prime example of the failure of Capitalism.
The idea was that competition would bring down prices of products to the lowest sustainable price.. Instead we have the same corporation pricing items discrimatorially. This is the opposite effect that the founders of this country (based econimically on Capitalism) intended.
Gah. This system doesnt work as of now in real life.
Where's the "Government" taxing software and copies like Linux or other OSS stuff? There is none. People can mix stuff together with very little cost (cost of internet connection and time to transfer) and see a greater result than what each put in.
Who'd here benefit for a driver to read EXT2 filesystems?
Who'd here benefit to have a PCI busdriver?
Who'd here benefit to have a memory allocator driver?
Who'd here benefit having a scheduler driver?
Yet, all of these parts come together, with no more cost other than time and internet connection to create something many many people use in the world. The Linux Kernel.
Yet, thats not enough, cause it's only a piece of the whole....
This method leads to freedom, in all senses of the word. Simply, because even past the disputes, there is an air of cooperation.
However in the meatspace world, if you were to try the same, costs of products and taxes would bury you, unless you have a way to CAPITALIZE on it. In the meatspace, there's 2 major principles that drive most people: Money and Power. These 2 are balanced on a scale.. they are transferrable and they both are relatively equal. Enough money and you can buy the power. Enough power and you can force people with money into submission.
What many have not realized is that the idea of the internet and cooperation factors Money and Power out of the equasion. As of now, it only can eliminate power/money out on the virtual side, but with the advent of cheap autonomous robots, money and power could be eliminated out completely..
The only real problem is there still is one resource that you cannot easily create yet.. Energy. Energy with "robots" can do just about anything but the energy cost is the biggie. That would be rationed in this new form of "government" but if the limit was high enough, would that be "socialism" or as such?
Oh, so because you do not agree with their editors and columnists, they are wrong about everything (or nearly everything) all the time?
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Actually, anybody in the health profession could apply.
We had a few years ago, in northern Indiana, a registered nurse who was killing patients in the wing of the hospital. He aimed after terminally ill, elderly, deaf/mute and such who couldnt easily "complain".
They put him on trial for 9 1'st degree murders, but expected about 20+ deaths attribited to him (but couldnt not supply evidence for the rest).
Jerk? Bah. Ive been drinking since I was 6. Turns out a small (read very small) glass of wine during supper isnt soo bad. When I was 18 (you know, the age which I can sign up to go shoot and kill for our country), my parents said they'd buy me any drink I wished as long as I paid them ;P
Its the ABUSE of alcohol. I learnt that early on, while friends who turned 21 went out to the bars and clubs. One died on their birthday cause they drove home.. She never had experienced alcohol.
And smoking.. Well.. When I was 2 1/2, I saw my great-grandmother die from emphysema from smoking a pipe. I saw my great-aunt die from smoking up to her death.. At times, she'd have a cig in her mouth, chewing on Nicorette gun, have a nicotine patch on her arm, all the while taking O2 from a elecrolysis machine.. Even my friend from high school who got sucked in on crack got out 2 years later.. and has turned his life around..
So, irresponsible jerk? How's about irresponsible laws?
First off, we have many many people voting who , in my mind, shouldnt.
The Constitution originally stated that only citizens with property could vote. The reasoning behind this is you allowed everyone to vote, you have the have-nots passing 'gimmee' bills to award themselves at the expense of the property owners.
Of course, that will never be held true again.. though I believe it should be.
Hard? HARD? Bah. I made automated tools to do exactly that.. And then I found out ettercap. Close enough for me.
;)
That handles all of my connection stuff, sets up SSL spoofing, and webpage redirection.. And I see their HTTPS stream in all the comfort of MY browser window
---Then there was the race to sub the Ah My Goddess movie - seriously, how would that NOT be picked up?
;-) file. Yes, I "pirated".
I actually was friends with the original encoder (not IRC 'friends', mind you). I pre-viewed in the most crappy quality, the 0-day 399.97 MB divx
When it came out over here, I had it pre-bought. I got it the 1'st day here in America.
I watched it in Japanese surround, Eng-subs.. And then applied the subs from the theater capture and had what I thought, in general, better subbing quality.
They got their 30$, I saw it 3 times. When it came out in theaters in Japan, when it came to a theater here where I live (Saw with my girlfriend, she loved it too), and I bought it.
---And as for the idiots who think "it won't happen", consider the problem of the pool of water hyacynths (also known as 'the 29th day').
Care to elaborate what this water hycianth problem is?
Big deal..
Oh yeah, thats it. Its "Open Source" so cause its open, it MUST be good.
But what's it for? 3D stuff? And they're using a base of Blender? Ouch.
SItes' down and there's nothing else to see.
About the necessary skills in military life.
I learnt that no matter where you go, there's infrared-seeking guncams that will pump 1000's of bullets in you. "Terrorists" will stumble into these rooms while you hide near the kill switch conveinantly placed under the gun.
Enemies and aliens spawn in the most obtuse places.
Kicking a coke machine results in lots of pops.
The best skill is learning how I can get to a top of a building. If I get a running start and aim my rocket launcher at my feet....
---On the other hand, games suck for looking stuff up, which is where textbooks excell. Also, a good textbook is far better in terms of brevity. It's like comparing doing an experiment to reading about it. You want to do some experiments, yes, but I'd really rather not test relativity myself.
You dont look stuff up in a "game". You refer to the manual and go page after page..
Instead, that's what search engines and dictionary engines are for. They search their own (mostly) complete library of data and find a best fit. Quick to search, quick to get data. And you can edit, pipe, and modify that data too (eg: search based in videogame use of talk command in front of "dictionary guy" ).
People yelling for rez? Must be neverwinter nights ;P
Damn, I thought you said "Martian Law" ;-P
Snow 6 foot high? Not sure if you wanna "shovel out"? Oh yeah, wanna stick inside, watching sports, and "preventing dementia"? Try this!
Here
---Salaries are only increasing 0.5%, which means they aren't even keeping up with inflation.
Wow, government speak!
---In other words, IT salaries are actually dropping in that they're not keeping up with the ever-increasing cost of living.
In other words, when the governmnet doesnt spend as much as it thought they should, it's a Tax cut. Yeah, I see this similar funny logic.
And I didnt know that you were required to get a raise.
---In other words, start typing your resume and get ready to train your Indian replacement hired under the pretext of a "labor shortage."
Oh, come on. Who's going to trust a foreginer for their network maintenance? Or can they crawl under their desk to diagnose Cindy's network connectivity problems?
Guess what, not every job can be 'shipped out'. Figure out what jobs those might be, and get em.
---I have to agree. It's the same reason why the TV/VCR or TV/DVD combos aren't a great idea for most people.
Sheesh. Most people I know (and that is a great many) have a TV, VCR and a DVD player. The few people with combo units vcr/dvd player bought them after their vcr broke.
---Do you really want to lose your TV when you send the player out be repaired? I don't think so. Those kinds of devices appeal to a niche market.
Repaired? Who repairs consumer stuff these days? You throw it out and buy a new one. VCR's in Wal-Mart are 20-30$ and DVD players are 25-35$. Cheap cheap cheap. Yes, we live in the great throwaway society.. Well, what do you expect when a repair-kit costs 20$ and the new "drive" costs 15$ more and you can drive to pick it up?
---Isn't this really a new varient of 'man in the middle' (quite literally)?
;-)
Sure is.. Just on layer2
---Here a few ideas:
---1. An easy way to prevent this is to have your Access Point assign you a strange IP address. That way if you normally get 192.168.1.251... and you end up with 192.168.1.1... you have an idea something is wrong.
I dont like that. First off, many people wouldnt look at this (well, the ones who mattered, anyways). Second, I'd monitor the network for things like this. When I see the usual setup, i'd emulate that setup, no matter how much 'weirdness' was there.
---2. Another way to do this is a bit more complex. If you have another computer or file server at home, set up a webserver. Make sure this system is wired. Set your computer's homepage to that system (using your internal 192.168.x.x ip).
---Now whe you open your web browser... if your using your own access point, you can view that site. If your being tricked onto another Access Point... you won't be able to view it.
Thats somewhat like NoCat. If im going to half-way set up NoCat, Ill use their system, and set up the corporate login (unless its for home).
---3. Setup your computer to ONLY use WEP enabled Access points. Then the only way your connected is if your computer successfuly connects to an access point using your WEP key.... that requires the hacker to know your WEP key. Not available on all wireless software packages, etc. etc.... but for those who have the option, another decent trick.
Good idea.. though many Windows software makers dont have this option. The ones that do are good
The hands down best idea is a ssh-login setup. Once you have a session, then have the password checks. If the connection is MiTM'ed, have ssh scream over the display, "HACK IN PROGRESS! CALL MANAGEMENT!". Have the SSH server only be able to decrypt to your data, and your mahcine to decrypt their data. The server should not allow any other keys to be used.
---The software evndors (HW too) almost always include the obligatory "we are not responsible for anything arising from the use of this product and we do not suggest this product is suitable for any purpose" type clauses. This is ridiculous.
Heh, I just love that phrase..
When you think about it, it means you're paying the 39.95 or whatever for a box, few pages of glossy pages and a "frisbee". The frizbee has the neat feature of showing fool colors on walls ans such..
Yet anybody else, in any industry, tried pulling that, would surely be sued into oblivion. Misrepresentation, lemon laws (when in vehicles), fraud.. you name it.