This meant that the lights I had for my GBC wouldn't work with my GBA.Then came the next model of the Game Boy line, the one where you had to buy a special adapter to plug in headphones.
The total cost for a new GBA third-party light accessory and GBASP headphone adaptor was, what, maybe $15? Yeah, that's enough reason to wish Nintendo into the dirt.
While he "hip" and modern, they quickly learned that people just wanted their good ol' Superman back. After a while, certain things become a part of culture, and changing them is met with hostility.
Both the Death storyline and the energy suit storyline were never intended to supplant the character entirely. They were just stunt stories to attract attention and drive sales. Whenever any comics company tinkers with a classic character like that, you can bet the status quo will be returned.
For a fascinating look into the process of Big Event Comics, check out the behind-the-scenes story of Marvel's response to DC's Death and Knightfall storylines, the Spider-Man Clone Saga. Spoiler: the entire Clone Saga was supposed to last for three months, with Peter first a clone, then not a clone and returned to the Spidey mantle... but the marketing jerks kept demanding they extend the story because people were buying the Clone stuff like crazy. As writer after writer desparately tried to keep the Clone Saga interesting, the whole thing spiralled out of control and became one of the worst examples of comics hype in history. Link: http://www.newcomicreviews.com/GHM/specials/LifeOf Reilly/
It'd be better to have people who actually look like you could meet them in the street.
Really? Would Star Wars be a better movie if it was full of people you could meet in the street? Would Harry Potter be a more interesting book if it was full of people you could meet in the street? Would Desperate Housewives be a better TV show if it was full of people you could meet in the street?
I think the point is that we can have both. We can have fantasy and reality. You can't just heretofore ban everything with bulging biceps and cavernous cleavage and call for rebellion in the video game industry. The world is big enough to hit all demographics.
That Ping Pong game is the only "multiplayer" game in WarioWare Touched, AFAIK. Both players have to hold the same DS, each player manning a different shoulder button. Terrible waste of potential, but I'm sure a WarioWare Mega Multiplayer Online DS XD is in development.
Credibility shot in the second paragraph, second sentence. WOTC hasn't published Pokemon for years now. Nintendo now publishes the Pokemon TCG themselves. In case you need to be reminded, Wizards also no longer publishes Legend of the Five Rings and Doomtown.
And you're a moron who cowardly waits a week to reply. I suppose you were out of town.
So what if WarioWare debuted on the GBA? The point is you were asking for new IPs, and WarioWare is a very recent creation. And likening it to Mario Party is idiotic. You have clearly played none of the games in either series. And WarioWare was never, ever an N64 game.
Animal Crossing was not a GBA game, you are, again, a moron. The closest Animal Crossing got to the GBA was the connectivity bonus coming out of the GameCube game itself.
And somebody enlighten me about an NES Mario Baseball, because I don't think you have any idea what the fuck you're talking about. And about tennis, I didn't mention it. I quoted soccer, based on the upcoming Super Mario Strikers, which I believe to be the first time Mario has played soccer. Again, somebody let me know. Maybe you're right, but your abundance of other errors leads me to think you're not.
I guess you've played Nintendogs already and have discovered nothing new in it. It's just a Tamagotchi. Sure it is. Is your position really that a new game must contain 100% entirely new EVERYTHING in order for you to consider it? Then I can confidently predict that you will never play anything ever again. Give me an example of ANY new game you like that you can't find some detail that wasn't already done before.
Sequels? Of course there are sequels, they are all good games. Your original complaint was that Nintendo isn't doing enough to introduce new IPs. There's three new IPs that have all been successful to one degree of another, to the point that they earned sequels. (But again you have it wrong. The Animal Crossing sequel isn't out yet, and it's a DS game.)
You are, simply, yet another anti-Nintendo ass who is desperately searching to justify your irrational hatred. Come on now, Pikmin = Lemmings? Yeah, you can namedrop games from 20 years ago, but you're no gamer.
I agree with your point that the parent poster is an ass, but your discussion would be a lot stronger if you used a video game character that actually does generate empathy instead of citing a game where the lead avatar isn't really the driving force of the game.
Just about any lead character chosen from Final Fantasy, Kingdom Hearts, Fatal Frame, San Andreas, Silent Hill... all contain relateable and complex characters of one form or another. Selecting Halo seems a odd and weak choice.
Among their big Gamecube titles, which were not simply another title in a twenty year old series?
Why is that your only criteria for judging whether a new game is worth your time? Too many times burned by Sonic, Crash Bandicoot and Tomb Raider? Nintendo sequels are far more likely to maintain quality than other franchises.
But if you're still going to be picky, how about Pikmin, WarioWare*, or Animal Crossing**? All are new concept first-party games that premiered this generation. What about the upcoming Mario light-action sports titles (baseball and soccer), or are they already declared DOA simply because Mario is in them? Have a DS for Nintendogs?
*yes, I know WarioWare has bloody Wario in it, but I'm not calling that reason enough to declare it a remake or sequel.
**yes, I know Animal Crossing was originally a Japanese N64 title.
That's interesting, because I'm playing God of War right now, and I couldn't identify a single portion of the soundtrack if you played it for me. It alls sounds like epic fantasy Lord of the Rings action adventure to me. You're right about it being more of a score.
Katamari, on the other hand, I played through months ago, bought the soundtrack, and still enjoy. I'm already ordered the Katamari 2 soundtrack sight unseen. (Or is that audio unheard?) Katamari is worthy of all three words in the category name: Best, Original, and Soundtrack.
Sorry, but your comment has drifted past your parent... are you making fun of Xbox gamers or Nintendo gamers here? Because it could go either way depending on your bias.
Here's my theory: Sony doesn't care a bit about whether or not consumers embrace UMD movies (well, sure they'd PREFER that, but they're not counting on it.) The UMD movie scam is mainly being used to squeeze competitors off the rack space at Target, Wal-Mart, etc. The Uneducated Consumer walks by the huge PSP selection - not realizing half of them are crappy featureless movies - and the fledgling DS selection looks even worse. Microsoft should do this with the 360.. start packaging perfectly normal DVDs as "Xbox Movies" and shove them into the display case alongside 360 games.
Yeah, I love Nintendo quotes like that. You just wish they'd shut up once in a while and quit releasing statements like that that can easily be taken out of context. That little nugget of wisdom will be used as a pull quote in boldface on the inevitable EGM article about next-gen machines, doing more harm than good.
The thing about Nintendo is, they usually have the right idea, they just pick the stupidest way possible to say it.
You'll note there that they didn't call Katamari a "variation of Pac-Man" as originally posted. They called Katamari as simple to play as Pac-Man. I agree with that. My point is that there is no call to discount Katamari's gameplay or innovation simply because other games in the past featured rolling balls. That line of reasoning can only lead to no new game ever being lauded as original or innovative ever again, and is an extremely close-minded way to examine things.
To be fair, Katamari can be easily likened to a very crazy variation of Pac-Man.
That's not fair in the least, despite the harmonious Namco connection. For example, you can say that any deathmatch FPS is "a very crazy variation of Pac-Man." You run around a maze, collecting items that either help you exit the level or help you fight the enemies in the level, and sometimes the enemies kill you and other times you kill the enemies. No one can ever talk seriously about video game progression, innovation and development if you're going to simplify things down that far.
The sad part, is that any time someones says innovation is dead, the ONLY counterexample people can point to, is Katamary.
Only because it's the most recent and, admittedly, one of the best examples... largely because it came out of nowhere. There's plenty of innovation out there, and always has been, but because the bulk of high selling titles are cookie cutter sports and shooters, it's easy to go into hand-wringing mode and weep for the future.
Innovation doesn't have to mean every single aspect of the game is absolutely original... that's impossible. As soon as you use a button to shoot or a directional stick to move, you're aping Space Invaders. That's why I have little patience for folks who charge into the discussion trying to point out why Nifty Game X doesn't measure up. Slamming Katamari because it features a rolling ball? That's just nuts, and that attitude isn't good for the hobby... plus, as another poster pointed out, it's completely indefensible when applied to other media, so why would we accept it as a legitimate criticism of video games?
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Oh for fuck's sake. If you're going to demean Katamari because it has a rolling sphere in it just like Marble Madness and Super Monkey Ball, you must be the biggest inconsolable anti-gamer ever.
"Hey man, want to play DK Jungle Beat? You use the bongos!" "No thank you sir, it's simply a 20 year old Mario designs married to an overpriced, single use gimmick controller."
"Hey man, want to play DDR? You totally have to use your legs to play!" "No thank you sir, I grew tired of that sort of thing with the NES's power pad."
There are times when the use of the word "innovative" is incorrect. Katamari Damacy is not one of those times. There is more to the innovation in the game than just rolling a ball. The easy-to-grasp concept and controls, the cute/bizarre art and music design, the level and size scaling, the original IP. Combine that with ball rolling and you still get innovation. Katamari deserves all the credit and good word-of-mouth it received, which is more than you can say for just about every mainstream game out there.
Oh wait, they completely ripped off "The Little Prince" with those small planets in the game menus! INNOVATION IS DEAD.
They've been operating at a loss since Xbox Day One, and all it has gotten them is second place... and they didn't even knock third place out of the game. They have the undying support of the Live users, which is a niche of a niche. And with PS3 coming out as the graphics powerhouse this time around (which, even if those E3 demos were renders, will still be the case as the newer machines always have better hardware), all of the XBOX GFX ROXORS crowd will defect to the PS3. How much longer can Xbox hemmorhage money before somebody plugs it up?
In the US, the PlayStation launched at $300 and the PS2 launched at $300. I don't recall what the N64 launched at, but I think it was higher than the GameCube ($200). These doomsayer articles show up for every new console launch, because it makes good theoretical press to run around screaming "OMG PS3 WILL COST $600!" Ignore it.
Put this on the list with those faked screenshots from Xbox launch, the DVD capability that became a separate purchase, and the invention of timed exclusives. (Splinter Cell! ONLY ON XBOX! For three months!)
In the world of video games, over the course of a console's life cycle, anything under 10 rounds down to 0. I'd expect more than a handful of exclusive AAA games over 4 years. That's been the Xbox's problem since it launched. If they didn't have Live, they'd have even less than nothing.
Unfortunately, this game will be delayed when Yamauchi returns to Nintendo for the company's free employee breakfast on Friday and happens to stray past some Zelda screenshots showing a wolf. He will comment that perhaps the game would be better served as a new Starfox title, and thus will be born Starfox: Hyrule Planet. Thus the franchise that can do no wrong is turned into the franchise that everyone keeps trying to murder in its sleep.
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The total cost for a new GBA third-party light accessory and GBASP headphone adaptor was, what, maybe $15? Yeah, that's enough reason to wish Nintendo into the dirt.
Thank you, Mr. Falwell. The world is truly an easy place to understand once you fix absolute blame on something you personally don't like.
Both the Death storyline and the energy suit storyline were never intended to supplant the character entirely. They were just stunt stories to attract attention and drive sales. Whenever any comics company tinkers with a classic character like that, you can bet the status quo will be returned.
For a fascinating look into the process of Big Event Comics, check out the behind-the-scenes story of Marvel's response to DC's Death and Knightfall storylines, the Spider-Man Clone Saga. Spoiler: the entire Clone Saga was supposed to last for three months, with Peter first a clone, then not a clone and returned to the Spidey mantle... but the marketing jerks kept demanding they extend the story because people were buying the Clone stuff like crazy. As writer after writer desparately tried to keep the Clone Saga interesting, the whole thing spiralled out of control and became one of the worst examples of comics hype in history. Link: http://www.newcomicreviews.com/GHM/specials/LifeOf Reilly/
Really? Would Star Wars be a better movie if it was full of people you could meet in the street? Would Harry Potter be a more interesting book if it was full of people you could meet in the street? Would Desperate Housewives be a better TV show if it was full of people you could meet in the street?
I think the point is that we can have both. We can have fantasy and reality. You can't just heretofore ban everything with bulging biceps and cavernous cleavage and call for rebellion in the video game industry. The world is big enough to hit all demographics.
That Ping Pong game is the only "multiplayer" game in WarioWare Touched, AFAIK. Both players have to hold the same DS, each player manning a different shoulder button. Terrible waste of potential, but I'm sure a WarioWare Mega Multiplayer Online DS XD is in development.
Way to go.
So what if WarioWare debuted on the GBA? The point is you were asking for new IPs, and WarioWare is a very recent creation. And likening it to Mario Party is idiotic. You have clearly played none of the games in either series. And WarioWare was never, ever an N64 game.
Animal Crossing was not a GBA game, you are, again, a moron. The closest Animal Crossing got to the GBA was the connectivity bonus coming out of the GameCube game itself.
And somebody enlighten me about an NES Mario Baseball, because I don't think you have any idea what the fuck you're talking about. And about tennis, I didn't mention it. I quoted soccer, based on the upcoming Super Mario Strikers, which I believe to be the first time Mario has played soccer. Again, somebody let me know. Maybe you're right, but your abundance of other errors leads me to think you're not.
I guess you've played Nintendogs already and have discovered nothing new in it. It's just a Tamagotchi. Sure it is. Is your position really that a new game must contain 100% entirely new EVERYTHING in order for you to consider it? Then I can confidently predict that you will never play anything ever again. Give me an example of ANY new game you like that you can't find some detail that wasn't already done before.
Sequels? Of course there are sequels, they are all good games. Your original complaint was that Nintendo isn't doing enough to introduce new IPs. There's three new IPs that have all been successful to one degree of another, to the point that they earned sequels. (But again you have it wrong. The Animal Crossing sequel isn't out yet, and it's a DS game.)
You are, simply, yet another anti-Nintendo ass who is desperately searching to justify your irrational hatred. Come on now, Pikmin = Lemmings? Yeah, you can namedrop games from 20 years ago, but you're no gamer.
I agree with your point that the parent poster is an ass, but your discussion would be a lot stronger if you used a video game character that actually does generate empathy instead of citing a game where the lead avatar isn't really the driving force of the game.
Just about any lead character chosen from Final Fantasy, Kingdom Hearts, Fatal Frame, San Andreas, Silent Hill... all contain relateable and complex characters of one form or another. Selecting Halo seems a odd and weak choice.
Why is that your only criteria for judging whether a new game is worth your time? Too many times burned by Sonic, Crash Bandicoot and Tomb Raider? Nintendo sequels are far more likely to maintain quality than other franchises.
But if you're still going to be picky, how about Pikmin, WarioWare*, or Animal Crossing**? All are new concept first-party games that premiered this generation. What about the upcoming Mario light-action sports titles (baseball and soccer), or are they already declared DOA simply because Mario is in them? Have a DS for Nintendogs?
*yes, I know WarioWare has bloody Wario in it, but I'm not calling that reason enough to declare it a remake or sequel.
**yes, I know Animal Crossing was originally a Japanese N64 title.
Katamari, on the other hand, I played through months ago, bought the soundtrack, and still enjoy. I'm already ordered the Katamari 2 soundtrack sight unseen. (Or is that audio unheard?) Katamari is worthy of all three words in the category name: Best, Original, and Soundtrack.
Sorry, but your comment has drifted past your parent... are you making fun of Xbox gamers or Nintendo gamers here? Because it could go either way depending on your bias.
You especially don't need to pay anything for stories from ancient mythology. Stupid Homer let his copyright lapse!
Also: the left hand edge is completely cut off in Safari.
Here's my theory: Sony doesn't care a bit about whether or not consumers embrace UMD movies (well, sure they'd PREFER that, but they're not counting on it.) The UMD movie scam is mainly being used to squeeze competitors off the rack space at Target, Wal-Mart, etc. The Uneducated Consumer walks by the huge PSP selection - not realizing half of them are crappy featureless movies - and the fledgling DS selection looks even worse. Microsoft should do this with the 360.. start packaging perfectly normal DVDs as "Xbox Movies" and shove them into the display case alongside 360 games.
The thing about Nintendo is, they usually have the right idea, they just pick the stupidest way possible to say it.
You'll note there that they didn't call Katamari a "variation of Pac-Man" as originally posted. They called Katamari as simple to play as Pac-Man. I agree with that. My point is that there is no call to discount Katamari's gameplay or innovation simply because other games in the past featured rolling balls. That line of reasoning can only lead to no new game ever being lauded as original or innovative ever again, and is an extremely close-minded way to examine things.
That's not fair in the least, despite the harmonious Namco connection. For example, you can say that any deathmatch FPS is "a very crazy variation of Pac-Man." You run around a maze, collecting items that either help you exit the level or help you fight the enemies in the level, and sometimes the enemies kill you and other times you kill the enemies. No one can ever talk seriously about video game progression, innovation and development if you're going to simplify things down that far.
Only because it's the most recent and, admittedly, one of the best examples... largely because it came out of nowhere. There's plenty of innovation out there, and always has been, but because the bulk of high selling titles are cookie cutter sports and shooters, it's easy to go into hand-wringing mode and weep for the future.
Innovation doesn't have to mean every single aspect of the game is absolutely original... that's impossible. As soon as you use a button to shoot or a directional stick to move, you're aping Space Invaders. That's why I have little patience for folks who charge into the discussion trying to point out why Nifty Game X doesn't measure up. Slamming Katamari because it features a rolling ball? That's just nuts, and that attitude isn't good for the hobby... plus, as another poster pointed out, it's completely indefensible when applied to other media, so why would we accept it as a legitimate criticism of video games?
"Hey man, want to play DK Jungle Beat? You use the bongos!"
"No thank you sir, it's simply a 20 year old Mario designs married to an overpriced, single use gimmick controller."
"Hey man, want to play DDR? You totally have to use your legs to play!"
"No thank you sir, I grew tired of that sort of thing with the NES's power pad."
There are times when the use of the word "innovative" is incorrect. Katamari Damacy is not one of those times. There is more to the innovation in the game than just rolling a ball. The easy-to-grasp concept and controls, the cute/bizarre art and music design, the level and size scaling, the original IP. Combine that with ball rolling and you still get innovation. Katamari deserves all the credit and good word-of-mouth it received, which is more than you can say for just about every mainstream game out there.
Oh wait, they completely ripped off "The Little Prince" with those small planets in the game menus! INNOVATION IS DEAD.
They've been operating at a loss since Xbox Day One, and all it has gotten them is second place... and they didn't even knock third place out of the game. They have the undying support of the Live users, which is a niche of a niche. And with PS3 coming out as the graphics powerhouse this time around (which, even if those E3 demos were renders, will still be the case as the newer machines always have better hardware), all of the XBOX GFX ROXORS crowd will defect to the PS3. How much longer can Xbox hemmorhage money before somebody plugs it up?
And why not wait until your older brother outgrows his clothes before you wear anything? Paying full price is worth it sometimes.
In the US, the PlayStation launched at $300 and the PS2 launched at $300. I don't recall what the N64 launched at, but I think it was higher than the GameCube ($200). These doomsayer articles show up for every new console launch, because it makes good theoretical press to run around screaming "OMG PS3 WILL COST $600!" Ignore it.
Put this on the list with those faked screenshots from Xbox launch, the DVD capability that became a separate purchase, and the invention of timed exclusives. (Splinter Cell! ONLY ON XBOX! For three months!)
In the world of video games, over the course of a console's life cycle, anything under 10 rounds down to 0. I'd expect more than a handful of exclusive AAA games over 4 years. That's been the Xbox's problem since it launched. If they didn't have Live, they'd have even less than nothing.
Unfortunately, this game will be delayed when Yamauchi returns to Nintendo for the company's free employee breakfast on Friday and happens to stray past some Zelda screenshots showing a wolf. He will comment that perhaps the game would be better served as a new Starfox title, and thus will be born Starfox: Hyrule Planet. Thus the franchise that can do no wrong is turned into the franchise that everyone keeps trying to murder in its sleep.