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GTA: San Andreas to be Re-Released Next Week
404Ender writes "According to GameStop and EB, the wildly successful Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas will finally be re-released without the controversial "Hot Coffee" content and clean of anything that might demand an AO rating. Will this be the first game in a series of many to come that will be pulled off the market to be changed due to questionable content? How long before a Hot Coffee replacement mod is produced?"
so can someone get me a coffee, please?
"Warm Tea" mod. Controversy ensues.
Argh.
The other "hidden" mini games: Sloppy Joe & Jelly Donut are still going to be included, right? -j3rry
"Coffee is the lifeblood of champions" -Mike Ditka
Otherwise how will it be "clean of anything that might demand an AO rating"?
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Read his page on the hot coffee mod...
Thank God. I'll be the first person to download and patch my PC version of "Grand Theft Auto." I want to shoot people in the face, bang prostitutes, traffic drugs, steal cars, and terrorize police officers without this filthy smut in my game.
San Andreas without BOOBS is NOT entertainment. Bring back the BOOBS!!!!!
... doesn't stupid things like that make you want to yell "GROW THE ASTERISK ASTERISK ASTERISK ASTERISK UP!!!!"
How long before a Hot Coffee replacement mod is produced?
for computers, I would say roughly 30 seconds.
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Them then re-releasing the Hot Coffee version as a special adult-only don't-have-to-hack-the-code release (which I'm guessing some people would buy) and making MORE money from this. Which would be exactly the opposite that the original complainants were attempting to achieve, no?
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Damnit, shouldnt we be thinking of better ways to start our kids off with games? I mean....Id rather see my boy mutilating a whore after hes had sex with her, than say playing hockey.
Um, I don't know about you guys, but as I see it GTA is not something suitable for kids regardles off the amount of booty shown.
Any game with that amount of violence should be adults only. It's funny as hell, but it really does demand a mature mind... IMHO anyways.
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Finally. No more distractions from sex and pr0n. More time for pure slaughter and massacres of innocent bystanders. /picz
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This just in, Rockstar North pulled a "Speilberg" today by re-releasing their "GTA:San Andreas" game without any guns, sex, or even reckless driving available.
First impressions of the game seem to be mixed, as you're only allowed to walk around town and wave to people.
More news, as this develops.
The crazy thing about GTA:SA is that speaks volumes about the differences in cultures between the US and other countries.
For example, here in the UK, GTA:SA - and its predecessors - got an 18 rating straight off the bat. That's the highest rating ELSPA (The Entertainment and Leisure Software Publishers Association, equivalent to your ESRB/IEMA) gives to video games over here. I guess its functionally equivalent to your AO rating.
Although I'm not an expert on classifications I'm sure it earnt its 18 rating here due to the strong content - extreme violence, grand theft auto, prostitution and so on. The fact that some time down the line a hidden pixellated simulated sex mode was unlocked was just icing on the cake - the game was already strictly limited to adults anyway.
I am presuming therefore that your M (17+) rating is equivalent to our 15 rating, which presumably means you are quite happy for 15 year old American youths to play out scenes where they can mug people, shoot cops, steal cars, use the services of prostitutes and so forth - but God forbid they see some pixellated nudity and crudely simulated sexual acts.
Will someone please think of the children! (and give them some guys to protect themselves while you're at it)
How long before people realize that they can just take the old executable, and the old bitmaps (or dat files) and put them in the directory and voila! the content is back. It seems like no less of a problem to me than the original release. Either way, the owner of the game is modifying it beyond the control of the manufacturer.
Personally, I think there are a lot more harmful things in the game than some simulated cartoon sex scenes. I love the game, and have played it through several times. I just think people are over reacting to this stuff. I can walk into any store and buy a number of movies that show more skin than GTA, and I don't see parents and the ratings board clamoring about it. Why drop GTA from the shelves and not all movies that have sexual content as well?
It's laughable that religious nuts and publicity whores from both parties should seek to decry this tame, lame, disabled mod when the actual:
Personally I think GTA is a blast and GTA: SA is nothing short of a classic, but the hypocrisy concerning this mod is pathetic.
How long before a Hot Coffee replacement mod is produced?
I believe it's scheduled for the Tuesday following the re-release...
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... killing and torturing people to death isn't questionable in the US, and so hasn't been removed?
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"SAVE OUR KIDS FROM THIS SMUT"
Of course the fact that the idea of the game is to kill innocent people and steal cars and is actually NAMED after a felony offence is fine...
Just don't you dare show any breasts, because breasts are evil, breasts corrupt.
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I bought this game the day it came out, only to find the control setup is horribly broken.
R* used to be so good about this, its a shame to see them go the route of "just another crappy playstation port" producer. Theyve gone through all this trouble to remove this stupid objectionable content, & completely ignored the glaring bugs that keep the game from being playable.
Heaven forbid anyone try to use a controller that isnt a carbon copy of the damn PS2 controller! Fuck you Rockstar, you can keep your damn coffee, just give me a usable control scheme!
The whole point of ther re-release is to remove the "hot Coffee" code.
There will be no "replacement mod", as there will be (according to TakeTwo) no AO content on the disk.
It _may_ be possible for some enterprising young hacker to _add_ content to the game, or produce their own mini-game with new content, but that is a different kettle of monkeys.
Will this be the first of many? How many other games have this content in? And are sold as non-AO? And have sales-figures to match GTA?
Maybe a few less-than-reputable (note: this does not mean small.) games companies may put offensive content in, purely to publices the removal of it, but this will be a minority.
Droid 1: Hey, whats all this buzz about hot coffee? It's all over the papers.
Droid 2: Its a part of GTA they pulled for being rude.
Droid 1: Can we do that? We could use the publicity.
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Droid 1: I'll talk to the programming team.
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What still bugs me the most about all this is that they gave it an AO rating when there are games out there such as PLayboy: The Mansion, that get an M rating...something in the rating system is broken.
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Guess I won't be able to choke the chicken while playing GTA anymore. =(
I don't know about the rest of you but I always like seeing these sketchy marketing ploys by companies. The fact is, the folks making the Grand Theft Auto games aren't out to be the good guys with a squeaky clean brand so what do they have to lose? They know their games shake up the market and get negative press and that's exactly what they want. So they add in this discoverable scene and keep that press wheel turning. I'm impressed, and I don't think this is the last time we're going to see something like this from their company.
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Here in the states the government has decided that its okay for kids to murder, steal, and cuss every third word but its not okay to see any sexual content. is it not ironic that americas youth are violent? They are sex starved desensitized to violence thugs! (im getting old) ---gets off soapbox---
I wonder if Sony is still going to rely so damn heavily on the GTA francise now? I believe they once had a no sex policy in Playstation games before.
If you believe the marketing hype on The Guy Game's website, then there already has been a game pulled for questionable content.
And by "questionable", I mean supposedly/allegedly containing video of a topless 17-year-old girl who had signed release papers allowing the video to be shot but who later came forward and sued Sony/MSFT/Guy Game for including the underage video in the game.
I know I've still seen the game on store shelves this week, so I don't know the current status of this lawsuit or whether the game was pulled and released without her video included.
Will this be the first game in a series of many to come that will be pulled off the market to be changed due to questionable content?
Yes, there's a slew of games with hidden content just waiting to be revealed by the right mod. Of course not, you moron.
Why did they remove it? So that retailers would stock the game. The guys at R* don't give a damn what rating they get as long as the game sells. Limit the retail outlets your game is sold in, that impacts the bottom line, and that is a bad idea. A little controversy would be fine, but what happened with WalMart et al refusing to stock it was too much.
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No, the main difference is pure psychology. There is technically a one-year difference in the "recommendations" between M (17) and AO (18); however, most chain stores will carry "M" but they absolutely refuse to carry "AO". This is exactly the same thing as theatres that will show "R" rated movies (under 17 must be admitted by parent or guardian) but will absolutely refuse to show "NC-17" (no one under 17) purely because of the psychological stigma that people seem to have against the various ratings.
Mind you, there are no laws, at least on a nationwide level, that say that stores and theatres must adhere to the ratings of games or movies. They're all purely voluntary. Unfortunately, too many Americans put so much emphasis on ratings that they're completely blindsided and outraged with stupid stuff like the "Hot Coffee" mod occurs.
I am a red-white-and-blue, flag-waving American conservative, and even I am appalled by the astounding hypocrisy regarding sex. A movie or game can have "F" bombs every third word, blood, violence, death, horror, and destruction and it will receive a mediocre rating of PG-13 or M. But if any sex is involved -- WHOOSH! -- hear that rating skyrocket to R or AO even if there are comparatively few vulgarities, blood, violence, death, horror, and destruction.
The whole "Hot Coffee" thing is so ridiculously overblown just for the purposes of advancing the political agendas or stealing the spotlight on both sides of the political spectrum that it almost makes you want to engage in violence against the opportunists. So, I guess there might be some validity about video games causing violence, but only when ridiculous accusations and moral condemnations are made against those games. I have no intentions of playing "GTA:SA" just because that's not my type of game, but I still might buy it just to show support for Rockstar.
If these people are so against sex, then the best thing that they can do for all of us is to not reproduce.
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Well, i don't really get it...i mean come on!
Every now and then i get surprised on how much those critics are really off with their ratings!
It 's like saying : "It is ok to steal cars, to kill people and to deal drugs, as long as we keep the game 'clean' with no sex content and no swearing!"
Come on, people!! If children were really influenced by the video-games they play, I'd rather have a kid playing the Old Larry games http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leisure_Suit_Larry than any other violent content game! I mean sex is better than shooting people, right?
And don't even get me started on swearing! Did you know that the cursing words are not in the same part of your brain where other words are regularly stored? Therefore recent studies have showed that cursing is more a physiological necessity than a habit!
Let's put the game on as it is and let the children play! I mean if parents are not around to teach their children right from wrong, we cannot expect video-games do that for them !!
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We produce video games like this and let our kids and young adults play them .. glorifying raping, shooting cops and general mayhem.. and then we are apalled when young adults do these very things in the wake of a major natural disaster.
I'm all about having fun just like the next person, but there comes a time when we have to stop and think, is this REALLY the kind of "fun" we want people to have? We're not doing ourselves any favors by promoting this kind of behavior. Alot of the people playing these kinds of games think its fine to do the things depicted in the game, but once order breaks down in the real world, where do you think they get the inspiration for their actions ? From the influences in their lives. While music, TV and video games continue to "idolise" these kinds of things, our society will be in decay.
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Will this be the first game in a series of many to come that will be pulled off the market to be changed due to questionable content?
I'm not sure about it being just for questionable content, but back in Nintendo days they pulled 'Mike Tysons Punchout' off the shelf after the ear-biting incident. It was re-released under another name with some unknown guy at the end.
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God forbid these kids ever go through puberty and actually have sex. They'll be scarred for life!
You have two hands and one brain, so always code twice as much as you think!
Now my kids (age 9 and 12) can finally play a wholesome game of crime and villainy without the risk of all this SMUT!
Someone should just mod whatever the latest Disney Game is to include a porn scene just to prove the point about game mods.
Who needs this blasphemous piece of software, when you have nice wholesome games like Manhunt?
Heres an idea, how about some smart people get together, take the video from the hot coffee mod and start patching other video games.
I know for a fact that Sim City could use this.
Hey Mr. Mayor, you need to build an airport, would you like to come up for some coffee?
Or better yet, some of those board games that Hasbro keeps releasing, like Monopoly. Hey, you landed on free parking... well, you get the idea.
Lets get to work people; we can give every single game an AO rating!
... are the ones your boss doesn't know about.
Not sure everybody at Rockstar Games agree with me on that one, though.
At least one chain of used video game dealers in Los Angeles is now paying a premium price for copies of the original game. Not bad for a game that's at least a year old at this point. Given how many copies of the original clean (that's clean of censorship) version there are out there, I imagine that no one will have trouble playing the game as it was intended to be played.
It's a bit of a poor deal really. Seventy virgins? For all eternity?
Damn, they'd only last me a week or two.
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Now my old "Gta:SA" will be worth a fortune!
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His point is that there are a ton of other "morally reprehensible" items that are accepted as PG-13. Sex, however, is not one of those things even if the sex is merely implied for reasons that stagger the mind to most people. If you want to be so pedantic, just replace "fuck" with "shit". You hear those in PG-13 movies. Oh, wait. "Fuck" is another term for "sex". That explains it!
God forbid they see some pixellated nudity and crudely simulated sexual acts.
This is where the biggest divide between (I do not know really for the rest of europe) the UK and US lies, the human form. I mean - comon, Janet Jackson showed her nipple by accident on TV. Big Deal - Everyone I knew were more shocked at the reaction of the american public than the act itself. Its a nipple. Look down and you may be shocked at what you see.
The controversy isn't just about adding a little sex to an already atrociously violent game, it's about that sex slipping past the review board. The industry is desparte to stay self regulated and stuff like this doesn't help. That said this isn't that big a deal, anyone remember the Roger Rabbit laserdisc fiasco?
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It seems like this leads to a good idea for Rock Star Games to make some extra cash on their next release. Make two versions of the next GTA. One that is the standard mature rating, then make an explicity version and charge a bit more for it.
Frankly I'm tired of all the games and movies being targeted at this teen audience. They have enough token filth to titilate the kiddies but they are obviously tailored specifically to offend in specific controlled ways. I'd like to see some games out there that are free of that. This isn't to say I want pr0n games, there's plenty of pr0n on the Internet. But rather I want to see game creators have a free hand to make content that's appropriate to their narrative, not nerfed to open it up to a greater audience.
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Every time I go to visit my girlfriend for Hot Coffee, I steal a dirtbike and take back roads. Then I present the filthy motorcycle to her as a gift.
She always thanks me and tells me how much she loves it when I give her a dirty Sanchez.
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When reading your post, I remembered when I was the assistant manager/film technician at a local theatre. The most recent "Lord of the Flies" (1990) had just come out. That movie has a ton of psychology to it, but not (as I recall) a lot of overt violence.
... Yes, there was other violence in the movie, but not nearly as gratuitous or grotesque as one would think.
For example, when Piggy had the boulder dropped on his head that scene could have been far, far more disgusting than it was. Hell, one could call it tame compared to what could have been done with it. If I recall correctly, the boulder hit his head, he staggered, and fell back. That was just about all. No gratuitous blood spray or anything. The next shot of him was of him lying of the ground, glasses broken, and - yes - blood and some material of the ground, but nothing like what could have been done - head split open, brains shown all over the place, blood splattered like it got hit with a Sledge-O-Matic
The movie got an "R".
Although my memory of violence content in that movie might be lacking, I do remember all of us - managers and staff - looking at each other after the employee screening, asking, "Why did that get an R?"
Since it was a movie from a book that most high school students read and many teachers told the students to see the movie, we relaxed the "R" restrictions and let high school students in without restriction.
The whole flashback just made me wonder what happened to make gobs o' violence acceptable enough to warrant "PG-13", yet the totally natural act that helps to propagate the species is considered to be "R" material (or in the case of GTA "AO" material). Truly mind boggling.
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The game wasn't too violent for those 17+ yr olds or anyone else for that matter until sex became an issue. How does that quote from South Park go, "Parents don't care about violence when they have sex things to worry about"?
Seriously I do not think there are many countries as unwilling to talk about sex as ours. Hell we cannot even here cussing on cable, and it isn't regulated by the FCC so it doesn't need to be censored. What I would do to see someone on cable screw with the man and show some full frontal, now that would rile up the religious right and ignorant fools throughout this country.
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Ironically, the patching truly is for the sake of the children. After this controversy it all seems pretty apparent that a significant portion of sales of GTA are for/by people under the age of 17. Otherwise it really doesn't make any economic sense to go to the trouble and expense of patching and rereleasing the game, a game that has already sold millions of copies. People old enough to play this game are old enough to order the AO version online or find a retailer who carries it even if WalMart doesn't. Heck, I saw a copy of the old unpatched PS2 version at the Virgin Megastore in Chicago just the other day. So patching it just makes it "safe" for WalMart to carry again and sell to 12 year old Johnny or his mom. Mo money for R* and mo money for the Waltons. Life is good again...
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Flamebait. The parent got hit with a flamebait. Man, some of the mods on Slashdot are fscking clueless. Hopefully a mod without horse blinders on will counteract it.
Hell we cannot even here cussing on cable, and it isn't regulated by the FCC so it doesn't need to be censored.
That's likely because advertisers don't want to associate themselves with "grossly indecent" language. Do they have cussing on premium channels, those that don't have to answer to advertisers?
What I would do to see someone on cable screw with the man and show some full frontal
You mean other than Skinemax?
I still say we shanghi the HC mod author for saying "durrr I didn't really write it it was in the game already." its like he did it to prove and advertise that it was in the game.
Just a friendly reminder that the Hot Coffee controversy is not about sex in GTA. It's about Rockstar defrauding the ESRB to get a lower rating so GTA would be carried in Walmart and Gamestop and other stores that won't carry AO games. Rockstar was contractually obliged to reveal all content to the ESRB. (I work for a major game developer, not Rockstar, and I know that we must disclose all disk contents to the ESRB.) They didn't disclose the sexual content, and once they were caught they lied about putting on the the disk and tried to blame some hacker who found the enabling bits.
Game developers can put whatever content they want in their games. Nobody is stopping them. (Not even congress.) But you can't lie about it to the ESRB. Don't get caught up in the "is sex worse than violence?!" argument. That's not the point. The point is that sex won't get carried in Walmart, but sex sells, so Rockstar put sex in the game and lied about it to the ESRB.
As a game developer, I'm pissed as hell at Rockstar for screwing things up for the rest of us. If you're gonna put sex in the game, at least fess up to it. Don't act all surprised and say, "Goodness, how did that get in there?" What a bunch of cowards.
Will this be the first game in a series of many to come that will be pulled off the market to be changed due to questionable content?
My thoughts concerning this game's rating are throughly covered by other posts. However, I couldn't help notice this part of the summary. When was GTA:SA pulled off the market? Yes, their rating was changed. However, it was not removed from the market. Rather, most business removed it from their shelves in an effort to promote the idea that game software is only for children. It was blantent censorship. Perhaps there wouldn't be so much sex and violence in children's games if video game stores didn't discriminate against adults.
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Ok, so what if we distribute a patch that is in the form of a pad cypher which converts existing content to "offensive" content? What's being distributed is otherwise arbitrary data, "unlocking" or "decoding" the existing texture of Goofy into its secret naked stripper form. We're not sending new content, we're not sending offensive textures... it could be said that the content was there all along as well, we just needed to unlock it.
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Well, I'm one of those people that picked up the game after it had been determined to be an AO product. In fact, I picked it up specifically because it was AO (never mind that towel next to the computer).
Shortly thereafter the patch was released that converts the product I purchased, the AO version of GTA:SA, into a different product, that of the M version of GTA:SA.
I immediately contacted both Rockstar tech support and the mouthoff address they provide on their http://www.nomorehotcoffee.com/ web page, asking about a bug-fix patch version of 1.01 that doesn't include the "breaking/altering" of the product I purchased into a different product.
Tech support of course replied the with generic "The patch works with all shipping versions" and ignored the fact that as far as I'm concerned it also BREAKS my AO version by turning it into the M version.
And I never heard anything from the mouthoff address.
Needless to say I never patched, and am left with a (very slightly) buggy, unsupported product unless they decide to properly support their AO customers.
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I will also say this, I specifically went out and purchased the game after the asinine ruling by the ESRB that changed the rating, to show support for Rockstar. While I do have the mod downloaded somewhere, I haven't had time to mess with it, and have only gotten to the point in the game where you go into the first crack house (i.e. I don't have much time for games).
I know you'll make excuses like "you don't play it anyway, why bother asking for a patch", etc. but the bottom line is I want Rockstar to be standing up for freedom of speech alongside me, not behind me, and supporting the AO product branch is the least they could do.
You don't seriously believe that Rockstar changed the game to placate Hillary Clinton, do you? She was giving them free publicity! Rockstar loved every minute of it, because controversy sells.
However, when Wal-Mart (whose political and social mores are just to the right of Attila the Hun) dropped GTA:SA for "objectionable content", Rockstar bent over backwards to please them. This re-release has nothing to do with showboating senators, and everything to do with getting the game back on the shelves at Wal-Mart.
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So what is your point? That its good that GTA hot coffee mod is gone because you are a rascist?
There is nothing wrong with Islam. There is something wrong with those who think they own the right to interpret it.
So, where should we stop? What is next? Should we kill all Jews? I mean, they are not Christians like us and they killed Jesus. How about all Catholics? Or just the Presbytarians?
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What? I don't get it...
My theory is that people aren't concerned about the game having sexual content, they are concerned about it having "hidden" sexual content. If rockstar had included the Hot Coffee sequence in the main game no one would have been complaining.
For all the Slashdotters who illustrate the point that religious groups and soccer moms are flipping out over a crappy sex scene in a video game, while at the same time condoning the violence need to do one thing.
Please STFU.
They do not condone the violence in video games and movies anymore than they do sex. Ok sure, your Mom might not bat an eye about you killing virtual cops, but at the same time will flip out over a little nudity. I'm not talking about her; I'm talking about the organized movements that wish to censor our entertainment for our own good.
Sex is just the latest taboo for these organizations. These same groups a few years ago have tried to censor games based on the amount of violence. The old timer's here should be telling the younger geeks about the media uproar caused by Doom and other games of the same genre way back in 1993. There was a lot of debating for years that violence in media was a leading cause of violent crime.
For example, I heard a lot more about how the kids responsible for the massacre at Columbine played FPS, then I did about the lack of the parents saying to themselves, 'Hey my kid has a swastika on his wall and lots of books about Hitler, is a social outcast at school and has an unhealthy fascination regarding death. Maybe I should look into this?'
However with the gaming companies banding together and creating a rating system it helped soften the violence argument by putting right on the box what the game's content is. The attempts to vilify video games because of violence started to make fewer headlines, for the responsibility is now on the parents. If your kid was playing games that you do not approve of, the fault was now yours. Sure there where still complaints by the hard core, but they were not about to shut up about the issue even if they did succeed at eliminating video games altogether. Sleazy lawyers will also continue to take up these cases as long as they think they can make the slightest bit of profit off of them. However for the time being, we won the battle for the most part.
However a battle is not a war. If you guys continue to use the argument that "What's the big deal about a little sex in a game where as a player, I'm allowed to commit a shopping list of horrendous crimes?" That's going to bite us on the ass by helping to reignite the violence in video games debate which our opponents will love to see happen.
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... I thought the headline was talking about GTA for the PSP. Bring on the ports of games I played 4 years ago!
All the guns have been replaced by walkie talkies.
I'm going to go create my own technology news site, with blackjack and hookers. You know what? Forget the news site.
Finally, a version that's safe for my kids.
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Many folks have pointed out the lack of logic in rating the game Adult Only following a third party modification that allows the player to see a naked girl. The girl, mind you, is virtual.
The truth is, the US is a country were no one is responsible, especially not the parents. They buy a game to their spoiled fat brats so that they will shut up once they are done with the gallon of ice cream. The game is here to keep the kids occupied in front of the almighty TV.
When people started looting the Walmarts in New Orleans, some were screaming "TV!TV!TV!" (see Newsweek of this week). It is no secret that the television is the almighty home appliance today in the US.
Look at the way the politicians were (and to a certain extent, still are) blaming each other for the mess related to the rescue efforts in the region. This is a country were it does not matter who is right or wrong, as long as the blame goes to someone else. See also the song "Blame Canada" from South Park the Movie.
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Some kids have enough a sense of good and evil (or bad) that they can tell the difference. What's this guy (or his kids) doing that others aren't?
ooo, so its rereleased and now gets a 17 rating so those 17 and older can endlessly beat their sex money out of hookers, or just shoot them in the head after having sex with them in their cars. Add nudity and its AO.
Is the U.S. screwed up or what? You can shove a big rod in a female and make her bleed just as long as you don't show genetalia in the process.
It sounds like they removed features other than the hidden sex scenes to avoid the AO rating. Are these changes summarized anywhere? I don't care about the "Hot Coffee" stuff but I'm not interested in buying the game if anything else has been removed.
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For the love of god won't someone please mod America's Army.
A taxpayer funded game that shows nudity and sex. What would happen? Would they shutdown the game servers? Stop distributing the games?
And the most important question of all: How hard would this make me laugh?
I'm not religious and I personally don't care about sex or violence in video games for me or for kids, but since everyone is saying repetitive things about this AO/M rating stuff I'll offer this:
When you see lots of mindless killing it is really not going to affect you that much and make you go out and kill people. It's a pure fantasy-type thing for 99.99% of people out there. And the consequences for actually doing it is either jail or death, or both.
Now sex on the other hand, it's something we already have a natural urge to do (you could argue we have a urge to kill, but it's usually in self-defense and also mindless killing doesn't agree with the rules we have set up for our society) and it is felt strongly after puberty. So maybe it will be just 1 more thing to encourage kids that are completely immature and not reading mentally, emotionally or financially... only physically ready. And when they do have sex, no one arrests you, they are free to just go about their little immature livesand repeat their mistakes over and over.
But nevermind the 2 kids having sex, what are the results of it? Who really gets hurt? Well if they have a baby that's who gets hurt the most. That kid is more likely than not doomed to a life of struggle and mental anguish and may well never get out the hole they started in because of their selfish dumb parents. And then we as a society have to deal with this person now. And so sex should not be something encouraged in games to spure on the urges teens are already having and thinking of acting upon.
If people (parents in particular) are so pissed about it, why not monitor the video games your kid plays and/or determine the content of the game before your kid buys it. I could get reams of data off of the web in minutes. Listen to the title: Grand Theft Auto. I don't think the company is to blame for putting "explicit" content in their game. It's like viagra commercials. If you don't like em, don't watch. Your TV has a mute button. It also has a power button. This is why we are considered free. FCC and all the other "protection" agencies can go fuck themselves as far as I'm concerned.
Since 90% of the internet is pr0n, maybe we should put an AO rating on it, as well. Get all these kids off of here...
That means my older copy must now be worth more. I think that whole thing is nonsense, just mom's with too much time on there hands.
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