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Nintendo DS Wireless Game Roundup

ImaNumber writes "Brittlefish has posted a nice roundup of the major multiplayer games currently available for the Nintendo DS. They make their picks on which ones have good wireless play and which ones just added it in as a gimmick." From the post: "If you have 2 Nintendo DS's or you know someone else who has one you've probably played some multiplayer games. And you want more. But which games are worth buying with the incentive of good multiplayer?"

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  1. For a narrow definition of game.... by rblum · · Score: 4, Interesting

    At least Nintendogs is missing. What about PictoChat? There's more to wireless gaming on the DS than the few games that are listed in the article....

    1. Re:For a narrow definition of game.... by e2d2 · · Score: 1

      I for one welcome my new virtual pooper scooper.

      Seriously, it may seem wierd but Nintendogs is the only game I've been interested in on the DS platform since it arrived.

    2. Re:For a narrow definition of game.... by WhitetailKitten · · Score: 1

      Nintendogs is the reason I bought my DS (though I got it months ago and beat Mario).

    3. Re:For a narrow definition of game.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I just got nintendogs the other day. It's kinda interesting. I haven't done much in it because it's all voice recognition and well, I feel like a retard saying "Puppy. Sit. Sit. Sit. SIT. SIT! SIT YOU GOD DAMN..."

      Yes, it really is like a real puppy.

      The one problem with it is I couldn't let other people play because it learns my voice.

  2. Profit! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    1. Write a few words about a Nintento DS Game.
    2. Include link to Amazon.com with referral.
    3. Post blog link to Slashdot.org
    4. ???
    5. Profit!

    1. Re:Profit! by ejamie · · Score: 1

      Step 4 is not even required here....

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    2. Re:Profit! by KDR_11k · · Score: 2, Funny

      Oh, it is:

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    3. Re:Profit! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      link to Amazon.com? what link?

      oh, wait, adblock(*)...

      (*)ok,it's not adblock, it's a custom css on konqueror that does the same

    4. Re:Profit! by NanoGator · · Score: 1

      Big fucking deal.

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    5. Re:Profit! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      1. Post tired, now, totally unfunny slashdot meme
      2. list some random loosely related topic crap from an article you didnt actually read
      3. post the reply
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  3. Wireless Game Roundup? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

    Well, they would be a lot easier to round up if they had wires in the first place, now wouldn't they?

    Aren't there some sort of leash laws?

  4. text by bazonkers · · Score: 4, Informative

    DS Wireless Roundup

    August 29th, 2005

    If you have 2 Nintendo DS's or you know someone else who has one you've probably played some multiplayer games. And you want more.

    But which games are worth buying with the incentive of good multiplayer? Here are our notes on some of the most popular games out right now:

    Advance Wars: Dual Strike
    Advance Wars: Dual Strike Wireless Rating: 5 Bars!

    Get this game. This is hands down the best game for the DS available right now. And with 8-way multiplayer it will satisfy your wifi hunger. Bonus: The ability to draw your own maps makes this a game that has a great replay value....draw a map and let your friends download it.
    Wireless Rating: 5 out of 5 bars

    Bomberman DS
    Bomberman Wireless Rating: 4 Bars!

    The first 8-way multiplayer game available for the DS. Loads of fun with lots of people, but if you are planning on only having a 2-way game most of the time it probably shouldn't be your first pick. However, with a lot of players this can be great fun. Especially if all the players are using the mic to call out battle commands.
    Wireless Rating: 4 out of 5 bars

    Meteos
    Meteos Wireless Rating: 5 Bars!

    This game makes for some great 4-way puzzle action. There is nothing finer than watching your Meteos launch and seeing them collide with someone else's planet. This game is great wireless fun, in addition to the loads of single player fun you'll have.
    Wireless Rating: 5 out of 5 bars

    Metriod
    Metroid Prime Hunters: First Hunt Wireless Rating: 4 Bars!

    The first console FPS that feels right. 4-way multiplayer action is very good on this demo, and with the recent announcement that the full version will have Internet play we can only expect more from the Samus Touch N' Kill department. My only beef with the multiplayer on this game is that the game is too dark. Of course, maybe that is just an excuse to why I am not any good at it. You probably already have this game, since it probably came with your DS, but after playing it in multiplayer mode it will make you want to buy the full version when it comes out.
    Wireless Rating: 4 out of 5 bars

    Nanostray
    Nanostray Wireless Rating: 2 Bars!

    2-way multiplayer and not terribly fun at that. Two players can play together to kill the bad guys, but not to help each other out...only to score points. The person with the most points wins. This is very limited and only huge fans of this genre will find any long-term playability in it. It would be nice to have a mode that allowed two or more players to play the main game together. It would also be nice to not have to use the download play if both players have the game.
    Wireless Rating: 2 out of 5 bars

    Polarium
    Polarium Wireless Rating: 3 Bars!

    A 2-way puzzle game that actually has a pretty fun multiplayer mode. If you can get past the plain graphics this game will have you and a friend swearing at each other in no time. Of course, if you have more than one friend with a DS you will probably want to look at other puzzle games like Meteos or Pop Puyo Fever instead.
    Wireless Rating: 3 out of 5 bars

    Puyo Pop Fever
    Puyo Pop Fever Wireless Rating: 5 Bars!

    This 8-way puzzler is the first DS game where you probably won't use the touchscreen at all. It is also the first DS game which appears to be marketed directly at girl gamers. If you can get past that (and you should try), you'll find an addictive puzzle game that has great wireless play. This is also a great game to play with your wife or girlfriend. They'll really love it when they start kicking your butt. And they will start kicking your butt.
    Wireless Rating: 5 out of 5 bars

    Super Mario 64 DS
    Super Mario 64 Wireless Rating: 3 Bars!

    4-way Yoshi action. Race against the other players to get as many stars as you can before the time runs out. And you can, uh, stick out your tongue and, uh, eat the other players. Then spit them out. Uh, yeah. Anyway, the multiplayer is fun, but not fun enough to j

    1. Re:text by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

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    2. Re:text by justme8800 · · Score: 0

      Puyo Pop Fever is marketed to girls? It's probably my favorite DS game to date, even including Advance Wars.

      And here I thought the thought the graphics were a just nice change of pace, from your usual darkness-everywhere Doom style mood. Why does everyone just assume that cheerful = girly?

    3. Re:text by xenoandroid · · Score: 1

      "Why does everyone just assume that cheerful = girly?"

      Because they think guys aren't suppose to be into cheerful, happy, colorful things and prefer gore, collisions, death, destruction, and darkness. Just why do you think rainbows are treated like a sign of gayness?

    4. Re:text by KDR_11k · · Score: 0, Offtopic

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    5. Re:text by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The rainbow was adopted by the gay community as a symbol of diversity. Plus, the colors are bright and well, gay. :)

    6. Re:text by sanosuke76 · · Score: 1

      Either that or there's only so much cute we can handle before we feel the desire to make them explode. It's not just guys, either - my girlfriend and I were having a terrific time playing Darkwatch the other night, and we're both in our mid-20s. Cheerful, happy games annoy both of us (unless of course Serious Sam counts).

      As I've said on another thread - games without body counts bore me. However, amoral games (GTA-like) aren't my cup of tea either.

      They should come up with a game which unites both our interests. Cute and cheerful in some parts, gory in others. Happy Tree Friends: The Game!

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    10. Re:text by xenoandroid · · Score: 1

      Happy Tree Friends is hardly cheerful and cute, it makes fun of cheerful and cute with the gory/violent endings.

      I'm one of those people who watch things that are so cute that people say, "What the hell?" when I show it to them, they seem to be even more disturbed because I'm male. I never cared much for dark genres or body counts unless it's a multiplayer game (so that I can laugh in the face of the person who just got killed). Also, the only single player games I play are very story and character driven because otherwise I'll lose interest. (Yes I'm one of those weird weird people who actually like Xenosaga).

    11. Re:text by KDR_11k · · Score: 1

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    13. Re:text by Soul-Burn666 · · Score: 1

      About PuyoPuyo
      This is also a great game to play with your wife or girlfriend. They'll really love it when they start kicking your butt. And they will start kicking your butt.

      This will NOT work if your girlfriend isn't into games and if you're way better than her. If you defeat your girlfriend too harshly, she might go under the bed cover and start crying.

      (I hope some of you understood the reference ;)

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    14. Re:text by Mondoz · · Score: 1

      I did not know that. Very cool. Thanks

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  5. Rate of technology acceptance? by frostyboy · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Is it me, or does it seem like these nifty handheld things from (Sony and Nintendo) are not catching on very fast? I am a console owner, and plan to upgrade whenever the PS3 comes out and all that jazz, but I have felt pretty much zero interest in these new handhelds, at least among my friends and peers.

    Maybe I'm just in the wrong demographic, but I remember when the Gameboy came out oh so many years ago and we all rushed to the store to grab one. It just doesn't seem like people are that excited about having one more handheld device to carry around.


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    1. Re:Rate of technology acceptance? by Parham · · Score: 4, Interesting

      The DS is doing pretty well, but that's because it's fairly different from a standard hand-held. But speaking generally, there isn't much you can do with a hand-held to make it really interesting. You can only boost the graphics and sound so much before they start eating batteries. There are limits to hand-held systems I guess. However, like I said, the DS does a good job because it's different (and somewhat unique) from other hand-held systems. It is like a Palm, but as a console, it's new.

    2. Re:Rate of technology acceptance? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I kinda agree about slow acceptance. I don't know anyone who plays handhelds in all honesty.

      My brother is currently in the hospital and he's probably going to be there for a while, so the other day I bought him a used GameBoy SP. I bought two RPG's and Zelda. I toyed around with it for quite a while and quickly realized the appeal these handhelds have over consoles or PC games. They are very nostalgic and fun. They don't drown you with k00L Gr4f1X. They have to rely on playability instead of glitz. I'm probably going to get one for myself sometime.

    3. Re:Rate of technology acceptance? by shidoshi · · Score: 1

      I have one, and three of my friends already have one. My girlfriend absolutely wants one. Once the online stuff like Mario Kart and Animal Crossing come out, more of my friends plan to get one. I think that with the cost of the new consoles - $400 if you want a decent Xbox 360, possibly the same price for the PS3, games projected to be $60 or more - handhelds are going to be more and more attractive to people. They are small, don't take up much room, don't require a TV, and can be played anywhere. They are far cheaper, great games for the DS are usually $20 ~ $30, and with the ability to play multi-player off of one copy of the game, you don't have to buy a bunch of games in order to play them with friends. The DS is really taking off in Japan (I just got back from there and saw the evidence myself), and with the great library of games coming out from now until Christmas, it will certainly pick up over here (though it already is doing pretty good). The PSP isn't doing bad itself, and if the choice of a new system comes down between the PSP and the PS3, I think more people than you might expect will turn to the PSP instead.

    4. Re:Rate of technology acceptance? by StarManta.Mini · · Score: 5, Insightful

      They don't drown you with k00L Gr4f1X. They have to rely on playability instead of glitz.

      The PSP tries to do exactly that, and this is where it fails - most handheld buyers want gameplay. If they want eye candy, they won't be looking at a 2 inch screen.

      Nintendo is doing so well in the handheld arena because they realize it's about gameplay, games, battery life, variety - NOT extra polygons.

    5. Re:Rate of technology acceptance? by rAiNsT0rm · · Score: 1

      It is because they scratch an itch that doesn't really exist. If you ask gamers if they would like to have a handheld that played 3D games well, with a nice color screen, could play movies/pictures/etc. had flash media support, wireless gaming... every one would say YES! with drool oozing from the corners of their mouths. But they don't want everything that comes with it, and gamers think that the world of reality doesn't enter into the gaming industry. The truth is all of those features add up to higher hardware costs (which means less actually buy the hardware), higher development costs and timeframes for game releases (which means less and less games get made), and most of the features end up being crippled or "ruined" for one reason or another when reality and laws kick in so the device doesn't match the magic idea they had in mind.

      It is the same thing as if you ask a bunch of gamers if they wish games had better AI. They will all again yell YES! but the truth is that most games get their AI tuned way down because the truth is that when AI is very good the game is overly difficult and frustrating to the vast majority of gamers and it gets bashed and rated terribly, and relinquished to the bargain bin in disgrace. Computer AI has the easy ability to whoop even the best gamers ass... ever see the chess playing computers?

      The truth is that people don't know what in the hell they want, and Sony and Nintendo (to a bit of a lesser extent) try to pander to these crowds when in reality half of the initial crowd ends up not wanting it due to some factor, and the rest of the market never wanted half of the features anyway... so the hardcore small minority is all that is left buying the product and viola! you get the situation we have.

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    6. Re:Rate of technology acceptance? by earnest+murderer · · Score: 1
      I'm not a big fan of either (and own neither). However, the DS is said to be selling very well. Partly price, and partly qality titles. For example, if you go to Gamespot.com and look up the 10 highest rated games Nintendo averages an 8.2* where the PSP titles only manage a 7.49.
      *I counted the 3 Nintendogs variations rated as 9.1 as a single title. The PSP has some potential but thus far many games have been derivitives of PS2 titles that weren't that great to begin with. Lumines and Wipeout Pure have been decent but they're the exception in a very small pool of titles for an extremely expensive device. One would think that if you were going to recycle some games, you'd start with your best.

      I hope this will change soon as both platforms will have some titles with great potential due out before the end of the year.

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    7. Re:Rate of technology acceptance? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They are small, don't take up much room, don't require a TV, and can be played anywhere.

      Wow. Just, wow. They're small AND they don't take up room? Gosh. What staggering insight you have.

    8. Re:Rate of technology acceptance? by nuknuk · · Score: 1

      it's a little off topic, but in response to your mention of AI, i think people aren't asking for better AI in the sense that it is a "perfect player", rather in the sense that it acts more intelligently, makes intelligent decisions...reacts to dynamic environments in a realistic way (where "real" is the term to designate interacting with the environment in the way that a real "person" would...e.g. not able to see through walls or have eyes on the back of it's head, but listen to "sounds" that your player makes and make reactions based on that) Anyways, I digress, i know, but it just seemed like a bad analogy to me. I agree with the sentiment in your post though in it's entirety. Longest run on sentence ever :)

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    9. Re:Rate of technology acceptance? by rAiNsT0rm · · Score: 1

      I understand what you are saying, but even that is not truly what gamers want. A "Perfect Player" will kick your ass every time, even without cheating such as seeing through walls or tracking your button presses. The only reason games are fun is because you can win, given enough time you will figure out a pattern or discover the key to success. True AI has imperceptive patterns that you could spend years and never figure out, and if it is an adaptive AI that learns you will never figure it out.

      Computers are smarter than we could ever hope to be, have perfect reaction time compared to a human, and have analytical abilities we could only dream of. Believe me when I say no gamer truly hopes to get what they wish for when it comes to AI. The result is a controller smashing bout of frustration. Game developers have always had the ability to tune AI and make it adaptive and a "perfect Player" the reason they leave it out is because it is no FUN... the whole point of gaming.

      To illustrate grab a chess simulator and play it on the highest level. It will pwn you every time. Any computerized board game is a great example, checkers, backgammon, scrabble, whatever... the computer has the advantage everytime because it can process so much more data and with such accuracy you don't stand a chance.

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    10. Re:Rate of technology acceptance? by vertinox · · Score: 1

      Maybe I'm just in the wrong demographic

      Depends. I find my DS nice, because I always end up with a great deal of spare time sitting in lobbies or on road trips and it helps me kill time without having to lugg a laptop around. That and I've got a group of 20 something friends who all have DS units at their house so we can play a mean game of Puyo Pop Fever.

      However, the games are more for those who nostalgic for the sprite based games (like bomberman) or kids who aren't at that point where they are counting frames per second and how many billions of polygons they can get on the screen at once.

      Still, the games are simple and fun and the touch pad adds a "cool" factor to the games.

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    11. Re:Rate of technology acceptance? by Qzukk · · Score: 1

      I remember when the Gameboy came out oh so many years ago and we all rushed to the store to grab one. It just doesn't seem like people are that excited about having one more handheld device to carry around.

      Same here. I just had to have one to play in the back of the van on those oh-so-long road trips and vacations.

      Now? Now I'm the one driving, the only time I have to play games is at home!

      We're just not the target audience for handhelds anymore, and both sony and nintendo would be wise to remember that

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    12. Re:Rate of technology acceptance? by Godeke · · Score: 2, Insightful

      You nailed it... the reason the GameBoy is and has been the hand-held king is fairly modest cost, functional but not processor expensive graphics and enough oomph for serviceable but not killer AI. Combine that with impressive battery life and you have a winner.

      If you look at the failed challengers to the GameBoy reign you quickly notice how much better most of the units were *on the superficial* aspects that everyone thinks are important. Turns out portable gaming is more about portability (imagine!) and a weak battery life is a killer.

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    13. Re:Rate of technology acceptance? by darrenf · · Score: 1

      Actually, if you understand chess search algorithms it is not too difficult to "pwn" the computer at the hardest settings. It is interesting you mention chess, as there is no fast, "human-like" algorithm which can mimic a grandmaster-level human player; there are only brute-force algorithms which rely on searching millions of permutations of possibilities and pick the best one making very simplifying assumptions regarding how you will react to plays.

      And for the record, I, for one, would love to play a computer bot which always beat me, as long as it did so in a very "human-like" manner and by playing it, I could become better against human opponents as well.

    14. Re:Rate of technology acceptance? by rAiNsT0rm · · Score: 1

      Then apparently Kasparov and his ilke must be pretty dumb to be beaten by such "simplistic" algorithms and you vastly superior.

      I'm not trying to bag on you too much but I highly doubt you are beating Deep Blue anytime this century. Similarly I truly doubt you would put more than a couple days into a game where you got your ass handed to you each and every time. Sure it would be good training as an *option* but no sane human would ever want this to be the ONLY option. It truly isn't fun.

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    15. Re:Rate of technology acceptance? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Gosh. What staggering insight you have.

      All the better to see you with, my dear.

    16. Re:Rate of technology acceptance? by NanoGator · · Score: 1

      "Is it me, or does it seem like these nifty handheld things from (Sony and Nintendo) are not catching on very fast?"

      I'd hardly call 10 million units between the two companies as 'slow acceptance rate'. Part of me wonders if you know more gamers now than you did back when the GameBoy came out.

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    17. Re:Rate of technology acceptance? by Babbster · · Score: 1

      Don't forget price. $130 versus $250 is a pretty big deal.

    18. Re:Rate of technology acceptance? by darrenf · · Score: 1

      Deep Blue can support far greater search depths than your average electronic chess board / program. Also, I never claimed I routinely or easily beat Deep Blue. I was just trying to point out that the algorithm is very simple and easy to exploit if you understand it. I routinely beat my electronic chess board on the hardest setting.

      Deep Blue beat Kasparov in a tournament one time, after Kasparov beating it the year before. Also, in the match Deep Blue won (1997), it was not a completely shutout. Deep Blue won most, but Kasparov won a game as well.

    19. Re:Rate of technology acceptance? by StarManta.Mini · · Score: 1

      True. Eye candy is expensive.

    20. Re:Rate of technology acceptance? by shidoshi · · Score: 1

      The new PS2 is small, yet when you add the controllers, multi-player adapter, cables, and whatnot, it ends up taking a decent amount of room. That was my point - the unit is small AND for full use of the system, it doesn't eat up much room.

    21. Re:Rate of technology acceptance? by Kiffer · · Score: 1

      Apparently "Deep Blue used a team of grandmasters to help prepare its opening book specifically against Kasparov" ...
      basicaly I'd say it's insane to compair deepblue to my PC playing a RTS game.
      I want an AI that is not insanely good, because it knows where all my buildings / troops are, I want a good AI, that plays the game fairly, and is able to beat me... with out cheating me... and that I can dumb down so that I can beat it with out it becoming a total retard,
      for example in a RTS I was playing once I had a choice of settings lets call them easy and hard.
      on easy the AI built randomly and did stupid things like sent one man at a time in to my defences and never used the massive amount of resources beside its base ... on hard it just killed you by rushing you at the start of the game... there was no reall inbetween. I want a challanging AI, not a super smart one or a dumb one.
      I want to play a FPS with bots that dont just head shot you the moment you come round the corner but also I dont want bots that run in circles and act like idiots ...

    22. Re:Rate of technology acceptance? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I counted the 3 Nintendogs variations rated as 9.1 as a single title.

      Good thing, too, since that would have thrown off the average by a factor of 1!

    23. Re:Rate of technology acceptance? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      Nintendo is doing so well in the handheld arena because they realize it's about gameplay, games, battery life, variety - NOT extra polygons.

      If this were truly the case, the DS would run on a Z80.

    24. Re:Rate of technology acceptance? by kerrle · · Score: 2, Informative

      In Japan, the DS is outselling every other piece of video game hardware - combined.

      It's doing pretty well in America, too. I've got one, as do most of the guys my age that I know. Sales numbers are good over here.

      And I can honestly say that I don't know anyone with a PSP - though that's obviously anecdotal and doesn't mean anything.

  6. Is anything bad? by (A)*(B)!0_- · · Score: 5, Insightful
    Wow - they seem to like all those games pretty well. When the lowest score is 3 out of 5, and most games score a 4 out of 5 then your scale is wrong. It should be on a 3 point scale, with most games getting a 2.

    Did Homer Simpson review these games? Five thumbs up for everything!

    1. Re:Is anything bad? by admdrew · · Score: 1

      Nanostray (the lowest rated) received 2 of 5 as a total score :P

    2. Re:Is anything bad? by -kertrats- · · Score: 1

      Nanostray got a 2.

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    3. Re:Is anything bad? by confu2000 · · Score: 1

      Nanostray got 2 bars. Personally, I'd have given Zookeeper at most 3 bars, but YMMV.

      I think Advance Wars was slightly overrated also, but I wasn't clear if the writer was considering only the multiplayer aspect but also letting bias for the single player creep in.

      For the most part though, these ratings are about what I'd give.

      8-player Bomberman rules. 2-player Bomberman, the board is a little too big.
      Meteos plays great 2 to 4 players.
      Puyo Pop is great from 2 to 4. Haven't tried 8, but that feels like it'd be too hectic. Only problem there is finding people who know how to play it.

    4. Re:Is anything bad? by xenocide2 · · Score: 1

      There's a fair amount of selection bias here; crappy games don't even get mentioned. Just so you know, this is not a comprehensive review of all DS wifi games. In particular, Ping Pals, a generally worthless "game", has no mention. And pictochat goes unmentioned as well.

      When PC gamer mags dont review junk shareware games, nobody (other than the authors) claim foul play. Of course, a webpage generally doesn't have the space restrictions that a magazine does. So I guess it's really just a lack of due dilligence on the author's part, yet not nessecarily a blanket approval.

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    5. Re:Is anything bad? by DNS-and-BIND · · Score: 0, Flamebait

      You won't get free games to review, if you give negative reviews. Play the game, ride the gravy train, and sell out to The Man.

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    6. Re:Is anything bad? by kwark · · Score: 0, Offtopic

      [Did Homer Simpson review these games? Five thumbs up for everything!]

      What the Simpsons (like most cartoon?) more closely, then you'd know that if Homer did the ratings it would be "four thumbs up for everything"

    7. Re:Is anything bad? by (A)*(B)!0_- · · Score: 1
      "What the Simpsons (like most cartoon?) more closely"
      What? That doesn't parse at all. Your quoting style is also nonstandard and I would suggest you change it.

      "then you'd know that if Homer did the ratings it would be "four thumbs up for everything""
      Making sure every single Simpsons reference I make is 100% correct is not that important to me. I assume that you were able to understand the point whether I stated four or five thumbs. Perhaps that is a poor assumption to make.
    8. Re:Is anything bad? by KDR_11k · · Score: 1

      What's worse, they ignore Golden Eye: Rogue Agent which a few people wanting a full FPS (instead of a demo) seem to have bought.

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    9. Re:Is anything bad? by kwark · · Score: 0, Offtopic

      You appear to be a smart person, so you could prob fill in the dots when someone writes:
      "... the Simpsons more closely"

      [non standard quotingstyle]
      So please enlighten me an tell me how!

    10. Re:Is anything bad? by cornface · · Score: 1

      I don't know if you're seriously asking, but I'll remove my troll hat (and pants) for a second.

      Just do something like: <i> the text you want to quote </i>

      Example:

      the text you want to quote

    11. Re:Is anything bad? by Oxen · · Score: 1

      Actually, you would know that homer has been known to give a rating as high as nine thumbs up. Also, he would mention how the gameplay was ruff and the graphics tasted like bark. I love the occasional obscure Simpsons quote. Thanks for making my day, grandparent. -mark

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    12. Re:Is anything bad? by MilenCent · · Score: 1

      I think Advance Wars was slightly overrated also, but I wasn't clear if the writer was considering only the multiplayer aspect but also letting bias for the single player creep in.

      Having spend hundreds of hours on Advance Wars 2, I think I can safely say that the article does not overrate multiplayer. Even if it changed absolutely nothing in the game over the GBA version, it'd be so, so cool....

    13. Re:Is anything bad? by (A)*(B)!0_- · · Score: 1
      Where did I ask how to quote someone?

      The poster I was replying to used the nonstandard [this is what you said] way of quoting someone. I replied that that was nonstandard and he should consider changing it. While simply using italics is acceptable, I prefer to offset the quote with the blockquote tag as well as putting the text into italics - as I demonstrated in my post.

      Your post seems like you didn't understand anything I said. Are you confused? Why do you think I asked for a demonstration of how to quote text? And why would I have asked such a question in a post where I quoted text in a manner that demonstrates I already have the information you replied with? Please reply, I am quite curious about why you felt the need to post what you did.

    14. Re:Is anything bad? by (A)*(B)!0_- · · Score: 1
      I'm an idiot, didn't check my filter settings and thought you were replying to my comment. I apologize.

      Feel free to berate and scold me for my stupidity.

    15. Re:Is anything bad? by cornface · · Score: 1

      hehe. No worries. It's better to flame in error than never have flamed at all.

  7. That's my problem by Dark+Paladin · · Score: 5, Funny
    If you have 2 Nintendo DS's or you know someone else who has one


    That's always been my problem - finding someone else with the DS. I see them on "House" - but not in real life. One other guy I know has a PSP, but that's about it. I don't know if it's where I life, the fact I'm a 32 year old guy who's got three kids (who think that Daddy's DS is very cool, mainly because I won't let them come within 10 feet of it - that's what the GBA is for ;) ).

    Is this just an issue where I'm outside the age curve, and if I was back in college these portable systems would be "all the rage"? [sarcasm]I mean, I guess I could go troll the junior high schools looking for Pokemon opponents, but my wife tells me it's a little creepy to hand around the school asking the kids if they want to play a game with my pocket computer.[/sarcasm]

    Ah, well - at least as my kids get older, they become more challenging gamers (my daughter almost beats me at chess now, and I think I can get her trained as a good 'Soul Calibur' competitor with more time - at least before she starts noticing boys or something.).
    1. Re:That's my problem by SirLeNerd · · Score: 1

      Well as a 39 yr old father of 2, I'll probably be picking up a 2nd DS because of the increased demand. I picked up Nintendogs for my little guy and it turns out my 17 yr old daughter can keep her "paws" off it (bad pun). The DS was mine, but my kids have taken it over. What's a dad to do?

    2. Re:That's my problem by ninjakoala · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Do what Nintendo wants you to do. You know you want to.

      Actually this is possibly *the* reason why Nintendo will continue to outsell PSP by a huge margin. It's fairly inexpensive, so if you have even the slightest incentive to pick up one or two more for multiplayer within the household you most likely will.

      I have a feeling one or two will be added to our household soon (already have one and love it to pieces).

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    3. Re:That's my problem by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Last time I checked most junior high and high school kids consider them selves "Mature" and think games like Pokemon are for kids. Shoot my friends 8 year old cousin thinks Nintendo games are for kids LOL that cracks me up.

    4. Re:That's my problem by PeelBoy · · Score: 1

      I agree 100% I've even thought about buying another one for our house so I can play some multi player.

      I don't think it's a bad thing either. At $130 a pop you can buy 2 DS's for only slightly more than 1 PSP and with $30 games, no required memory card, and the slew of good multi player games it's really a good deal.

      I'm really excited to see what the next year will bring to the table for the DS. It's already hard to beat this system for bang for the buck. I can only see it getting better.

    5. Re:That's my problem by Queer+Boy · · Score: 1
      That's always been my problem - finding someone else with the DS.

      I think Nintendo is realising this and thats the point of the upcoming ability to be able to tap into any WiFi wireless point to play multi-player games.

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      Not since Marie-Antoinette played milkmaid has looking simple and honest been so fake and complicated.
    6. Re:That's my problem by ZorbaTHut · · Score: 1

      It depends on your social circle.

      In my gaming group, we've got about six DSes now - the host and I bought ours the same weekend, and within a month everyone else was sick of fighting over the limited supply for Meteos battles and just got their own. :)

      Obviously if you're a 32-year-old guy who doesn't have a local video gaming group, this is going to be a bit trickier - the only place I've been to where you could be reasonably sure of finding random people with a DS or PSP was the Penny Arcade expo last weekend.

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  8. Weird article. Warioware has no multiplayer option by PhiberOptix · · Score: 4, Informative

    From TFA:

    WarioWare: Touched Wireless Rating: 3 Bars!

    An interesting 2-way fast-paced "party game". The first few times through this game will keep you on your toes as you try and figure out what to do in each mini game, but after you learn what to do on all the games it becomes simple recollection. If you own the game the multiplayer is nice, but with only 2 player capacity and limited replay value this isn't going to go to the top of many people's lists.
    Wireless Rating: 3 out of 5 bars


    Weird, even without ZERO multiplayer options (a shame, really), it still manages to get "3 out of 5 bars"?

  9. Finding people. by Stu+L+Tissimus · · Score: 0

    As somebody's said already, the problem with both DS and with PSP is that it's really not easy to find other people playing them. But that should change soon - That's why the Wifi Connection service is coming out. Also, a note: Since when does WarioWare have wireless capabilities?!

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  10. PictoChat by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

    How about PictoChat? That has its own product ID code, and thus qualifies as a game. PictoChat was packed at this year's Otakon, with 50 people online at once. I'd call that a successful wireless game.

    1. Re:PictoChat by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yea, Otakon prereg line was fun, but I only noticed about 6 others. Never seemed too packed but that was only time I tried

  11. Games I'd like to see on the PSP or DS by The+Lynxpro · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Multiplayer updates to:

    *MIDI Maze (aka "Faceball 2000") - the original multiplayer FPS that is still kid-friendly. Perfect for a DS.

    *Todd's Adventure in Slimeworld - old multiplayer hit from the Atari Lynx and the Sega Genesis. Obviously, a FPS update would be needed on the PSP, but possibly the sidescrolling method might still be useful on the DS.

    *Warbirds - great dogfighting game. Was really addicting playing against 8 other players on the Atari Lynx. Definitely worth updating yet still retaining the title's charm.

    *Battlewheels. 'Nuff said.

    And finally...

    *Duke Nukem Forever - Considering the development at this point is probably so far behind for the current and nextgen consoles, why not sell the title as an exclusivity to either of the handheld platforms? C'mon, 3DRealms, Sony, and Nintendo.

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    1. Re:Games I'd like to see on the PSP or DS by Pxtl · · Score: 5, Interesting

      You missed the most obvious thing: the DS is the first console with a real pointing device and a screen for each player. That means strategy games are finally feasible. I want to see all the classic RTS titles - StarCraft, Z, Total Annihilation, Metal Marines... plus, the turn-based biggies too, like Master of Magic, X-Com, and Master of Orion II.

    2. Re:Games I'd like to see on the PSP or DS by Parham · · Score: 1

      Just hearing about Master of Magic brings back so many memories. That would be an awesome game to have on a hand-held like DS...

    3. Re:Games I'd like to see on the PSP or DS by wed128 · · Score: 2, Funny

      Oh my god...the idea of starcraft for my DS just got me so excited i wet myself...

    4. Re:Games I'd like to see on the PSP or DS by pnice · · Score: 1

      You got me to thinking about Gauntlet 3 for the Lynx. I had that game but I never got a chance to play it multiplayer. Was it 8 player? I know you could pick from ten different characters and I found the list of characters online. Elf, Valkyrie, Wizard, Warrior, Pirate, Gunfighter, Samurai, Android, Nerd and Punkrocker. Gauntlet 8 player would have been pretty cool. I remember the Lynx pushing the more than 2 player multiplayer aspect...it was just that almost no one had a Lynx to play with. Finding 8 people to play with would have been impossible for me at the time.

      It was also one of those games where you had to actually rotate the lynx to play it. That wasn't very ergonomic at all.

    5. Re:Games I'd like to see on the PSP or DS by Babbster · · Score: 1

      Master of Magic, Darklands, Covert Action...Not only would I enjoy some of these games as simple ports to a handheld, but every year that passes I'm surprised that someone hasn't started releasing modernized versions of the Microprose catalog. That company put out so many great games, and in several genres, that it was ridiculous (and expensive since I bought nearly every game they ever released, sometimes multiple times). :)

    6. Re:Games I'd like to see on the PSP or DS by bricriu · · Score: 1

      Apparently an Age Of Empires II port is is in development: http://ds.ign.com/objects/736/736742.html

      Whee!

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    7. Re:Games I'd like to see on the PSP or DS by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      *Cycles - the Tron motorcycle game. The most fun you can have in an SGI lab without breaking something.

    8. Re:Games I'd like to see on the PSP or DS by The+Lynxpro · · Score: 1

      "You got me to thinking about Gauntlet 3 for the Lynx. I had that game but I never got a chance to play it multiplayer. Was it 8 player? I know you could pick from ten different characters and I found the list of characters online. Elf, Valkyrie, Wizard, Warrior, Pirate, Gunfighter, Samurai, Android, Nerd and Punkrocker. Gauntlet 8 player would have been pretty cool. I remember the Lynx pushing the more than 2 player multiplayer aspect...it was just that almost no one had a Lynx to play with. Finding 8 people to play with would have been impossible for me at the time. It was also one of those games where you had to actually rotate the lynx to play it. That wasn't very ergonomic at all."

      I had the benefit of belonging to an Atari ST platform based user group at the time, so many of the members had Lynx handhelds as well. So it was very easy to find 8 other people with Lynx units to ComLynx it up for multiplayer matches at the monthly meetings (in fact, there were usually 16 Lynx handhelds floating around; some people had a spare too).

      I don't remember whether Gauntlet was an 8 player game or not. I think - but the memory might be faulty - it was 4 player, but I'm probably mistaken. It was originally entitled "Time Quests & Treasure Chests" as a Gauntlet themed clone before Atari Corp. got the licensing agreement in place to port Atari Games arcade titles (like Gauntlet, Paperboy, 720, Roadblasters, Xybots, KLAX, Toobin', Hard Drivin', Vindicators, STUN Runner, Pit Fighter, etc.), at the behest of Time Warner corporate.

      At the meetings, we'd network up for California Games (4player), Warbirds (8player), SlimeWorld (8player), and to a lesser extent, Gauntlet. The car racing game was also popular at the time. BattleWheels came in late to the scene.

      It is a shame that Bob Brodie was unable to convince the game division that handled the Lynx to port MIDI Maze to the platform. But that division didn't tend to listen to the computer division at the time prior to their reorganization before the release of the Jaguar. The title was subsequently licensed to BPS who rebranded it "FaceBall 2000" and ported it to almost all non-Atari game system platforms at the time. Such a shame since it was a huge hit that sold many Atari ST computers just to play that game.

      www.atarihistory.org is a pretty good site to catch up on what was and what might have been.

      Hope your Lynx still works if you still have it! I tend to think of the PSP as the Lynx of 2005. Hopefully it will have a more successful fate...

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      "Right now, somewhere in this world, Scott Baio is plowing a woman he doesn't love," - Peter Griffin, *Family Guy*
    9. Re:Games I'd like to see on the PSP or DS by The+Lynxpro · · Score: 1

      "I'm surprised that someone hasn't started releasing modernized versions of the Microprose catalog. That company put out so many great games, and in several genres, that it was ridiculous (and expensive since I bought nearly every game they ever released, sometimes multiple times)."

      Well, let's track down who would own those titles today. Microprose (guess they never got around to changing their name despite that lawsuit from MicroPro) sold out to Hasbro Interactive. Hasbro Interactive (and especially its Atari brand) sold out to Infogrames of EuroFrance*. The Infogrames USA division became Atari Inc. So most likely, those titles belong in the States to Atari, and Infogrames in other jurisdictions on the planet. I don't know who owns the rights to distribution on the planets of Gallifrey, Krypton, or Alderaan, but obviously they aren't making much money at it since those planets are galactic rubble now. :)

      As for Microprose titles, I would love to see new versions of their flight simulators as well as Gunship. Doubly so to see a new version of "Falcon" (Spectrum Holybrite - which I believe falls under the Atari banner now too) for the consoles, Windows/OS X, or portables...

      *Much as their are iMacs, EuroFrance is a rebranding of France to show that it desires to be at the heart of the geopolitical construct of *Europe*. Infogrames, a French based company, views itself as a Pan European company.

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    10. Re:Games I'd like to see on the PSP or DS by Babbster · · Score: 1
      I loved Gunship - so much so that I used to call up Microprose monthly while Gunship 2000 was in development. My favorites of their simulation line were F19 (the stealth fighter from Lockheed that was in contention with the eventually accepted F117), F15 Strike Eagle II (loved the combination of sim and arcade action in that one) and Red Storm Rising. Red Storm Rising was a particular favorite which I bought three times (twice for the C64 and once for the PC) because it had a real "thinker" feel to it. I never had so much fun staring at a blank screen moving at a snail's pace trying to find an enemy sub running on batteries using just passive sonar...talk about a perfect game for a dual-screen/touch-screen system.

      Atari made me a gamer with the 2600. Microprose made me "hardcore." :)

    11. Re:Games I'd like to see on the PSP or DS by The+Lynxpro · · Score: 1

      "I loved Gunship - so much so that I used to call up Microprose monthly while Gunship 2000 was in development. My favorites of their simulation line were F19 (the stealth fighter from Lockheed that was in contention with the eventually accepted F117), F15 Strike Eagle II."

      My contention is that the alleged F-19 Stealth Fighter is in fact the still underwraps secret plane known to conspiracy theorists as the "Aurora."

      Time or Newsweek broke the story on the leak when (who was it, Testor?) the model plane hit the stores and caused controversy, and an air force official didn't even bat an eye when asked about it, only smiling and stating something to the effect of "very clever."

      One must remember that the Air Force only publically reveals their secret planes when the replacement model is flying. Look how long the Air Force refused to confirm the SR-71.

      But I totally agree with the rest of your post... I'd love to see "Silent Service" resurrected. Others preferred the rival G.A.T.O. at the time.

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    12. Re:Games I'd like to see on the PSP or DS by The+Lynxpro · · Score: 1

      "You missed the most obvious thing: the DS is the first console with a real pointing device and a screen for each player. That means strategy games are finally feasible."

      How about M.U.L.E.?

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    13. Re:Games I'd like to see on the PSP or DS by modecx · · Score: 1

      I would kill for a multi-multi player remake of Galaxy 5000 or Rock and Roll Racing... Those are two of the most fun, replayable games I've ever played, and I think they'd work very well on a portable with wireless multiplayer. I'd definitely consider getting a DS if there were something like this.

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    14. Re:Games I'd like to see on the PSP or DS by HAKdragon · · Score: 1

      Actually, it's not a port. The DS version of the game is turn-based strategy as opposed to real-time strategy. Still looks fun though.

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    15. Re:Games I'd like to see on the PSP or DS by DJ_Goldfingerz · · Score: 1

      Wow an actual person that remembers Z. I loved that game. I still have the original copy.

      Not too long ago I tried to install it on windows 2000, but I wasn't able to make it work. Damn windows 2000. I actually find Advanced Wars to be similar (graphics wise), but I always liked the humor in Z.

  12. DS really is fabulous for multi-player by shidoshi · · Score: 5, Informative

    It would really have been nice had they given a bit more information about these games - some can be played with only one copy of the game, others require each person having their own copy.

    That, however, is by far the biggest strength of the DS, and the feature that, to me, puts it far above the PSP when it comes to multi-player gaming: multiple players off of one copy of a game. There are many times when your friends would play a game, but don't like it enough to own it. Or, the other way around, where you don't want to buy a specific game, but still enjoy playing it multi-player.

    One of my friends picked up Bomberman, and now we can all play together off of his copy, and it is great fun. Sure, the PSP has fancy "console-quality" graphics and whatnot, but when I have a copy of X game and nobody else does I'm still just sitting there playing it by myself.

    As well, while I'm certainly not the type to say things like "games used to be better in the old days!" and whatnot, most of the games for the DS are fun yet simple games that can easily be understood and played, and can be enjoyed by almost anybody, gamer or not. My girlfriend, for example, isn't overly thrilled by my PSP, but nearly every one of my DS games she's played she has loved.

    I'm almost glad the system isn't a 3D powerhouse, because instead companies seem to be concerning themselves with making a game that is fun instead of a game that pushes the graphics but forgets about the gameplay. I think the PSP and DS actually compliment each other, instead of directly compete, and that's the best possible scenario in my opinion.

    1. Re:DS really is fabulous for multi-player by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I bought Nintendogs on release day and have barely had any time with my DS since then; my girlfriend has been playing it almost exclusively. Nintendo sure has a winner with that game. Everyone we've shown it to has loved it. DS games have personality, moreso than any PSP game. (Yes I own a PSP too, and haven't been nearly as impressed with it.)

    2. Re:DS really is fabulous for multi-player by Anm · · Score: 2, Informative

      I think the PSP and DS actually compliment each other, instead of directly compete

      Well... regardless of the technical implementation (of which I agree with you on), they compete in my front pocket (or backpack) where I might be dragging it around, and they compete in my back pocket where the money comes from.

      That last bit makes the PSP a deal breaker for me. Beyond the one time cost for the device itself, I refuse to pay 50$ a pop on games for a secondary platform. My console with the nice entertainment system will remain my primary gaming system for a long time. Yet I'm finding myself collecting a fair number of DS games because its easier to justify a 30$ drop (or less on older GBA titles, never had a GBA before) once every month or two on a game I've heard good things about.

      Lastly, they would compete for my spare time if I had both. I don't need to spend more money when one device will happily fill the moments before a movie or in line.

      Anm

  13. Demographics by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I think there's a simple reason why no one knows anyone a DS and especially a PSP. That is handhelds are designed for kids. Here's why:

    1.Most adult gamers will go straight from home to work, then back again everyday, and you shouldn't play video games at work. Kid's have recess, and hang out away from home to avoid parents. And, if you're going to play games at home, you might as well use a console or PC on a larger screen.

    2.Most kid gamers already have a GBA, so why would their parents shill out for another more expensive system?

    The other demographic (of which I'm a part of) who would by a portable system is the gamer (any age) that likes innovative games. That's why I like the DS, and think PSP is a joke.

    PS. I'm also in University, so when i'm stuck on campus, it's nice to pull out the portable system.

    1. Re:Demographics by wed128 · · Score: 1

      Another University DS owner here.

      The handheld is real nice when the roomie is on the TV. also, it's easier to take with on weekend trips home. Linux leaves me few options for PC games...(not a troll, i don't dual boot for a reason)

    2. Re:Demographics by sqlrob · · Score: 1

      For carpooling adult gamers, these are good games. The only reason I don't use my SP during the commute is the glare from the sun.

      You can also link with others after work or doing lunch, many of the people I work with are also gamers (although few have DSes).

    3. Re:Demographics by The+Lynxpro · · Score: 1

      "I am an incoming Feshman in college and I hang around with all sorts of people. I have met one person that has a PSP (out of a few hundred probably), A few who were tryin to do those online free PSP things, and noone that had a DS. It could just be noone talks about it. But I doubt that, some of my friends sit and chat about news on /., so I don't think they would avoid talking about their fancy new portables."

      Yeah, but a lot of that is because both the PSP (especially the PSP) and the DS are relatively new systems. Think back to when the Xbox came out....how many people did you know that had one? Or even today in comparison to how many people who own the PS2.

      As much as I hate to admit this - especially given my user name here - there's probably more PSPs in people's hands now than there were Atari Lynxs...

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  14. Unbelieveable... by Lumpy · · Score: 4, Funny

    4-way Yoshi action.

    Ok now that is just sick.

    Never expected nintento to have a "hot coffee" style cheat on a Mario Game.

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    1. Re:Unbelieveable... by freshman_a · · Score: 1

      your comment made me laugh and spill my hot coffee...

    2. Re:Unbelieveable... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      stop posting kplzthx

  15. Demographics by Saiyaman · · Score: 0

    I am an incoming Feshman in college and I hang around with all sorts of people. I have met one person that has a PSP (out of a few hundred probably), A few who were tryin to do those online free PSP things, and noone that had a DS. It could just be noone talks about it. But I doubt that, some of my friends sit and chat about news on /., so I don't think they would avoid talking about their fancy new portables.

  16. Killer App is Nintendogs by WillAffleckUW · · Score: 2, Insightful

    it's all the buzz at primary, middle, and high school.

    A lot of kids can't have - or aren't allowed to - raise puppies/dogs, so my guess is this one is going to really do well - to the point where people will sign up for "dog-walks" and "puppy training".

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  17. Whatever by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    This article fails to differentiate which titles offer WiFi internet gaming versus those which only offer local (DS-to-DS) wireless play. Networking two DS's locally isn't news; wireless simply makes it easier than with the GBA and allows more simultaneous players. The real news is the possibility of gameplay over the internet, an area in which Big N is still falling down on the job (tho Hunters' internet play was recently announced, thank goodness).

    1. Re:Whatever by Gogo0 · · Score: 1

      Nintendo is doing their own version of Live for the DS and ultimately the Revolution (though of course it will all be free). Mario Kart DS is going to be the big plunge into online gaming for Nintendo, and that comes this November. Nintendo hasnt been falling down on the job, they have just been working on making everything work, and for free.

      Otherwise, I agree completely. Local Wireless games are damn fun and great things, but this "article" is worthless.

    2. Re:Whatever by Babbster · · Score: 2, Informative
      Well, the article doesn't really have to differentiate because there are NO current DS titles that support multiplayer over the Internet. :)

      The first WiFi Internet DS title on the schedule is Animal Crossing and that one was pushed back recently - to November if I remember correctly.

  18. Re:Weird article. Warioware has no multiplayer opt by grumbel · · Score: 1

    WarioWareTouched has multiplayer, its however 'two person on a single DS'-multiplayer. Can't remember what multiplayer games are included, but one is a simple ping pong game where one player plays with L and the other with R.

  19. nintendo ds web browser? by RTSKABJ · · Score: 1

    does anybody know if a web browser is in the works? ive tried the psp one, and it isnt very practical... i've always thought a good solution would be to syndicate rss feeds in to a user friendly nintendo-style page. right?

    1. Re:nintendo ds web browser? by PeelBoy · · Score: 2, Insightful

      There isn't enough onboard memory on the DS :-\

      It would be nice if somebody would release a PDA game cart with a browser and other PDA features, perhaps it could come with a GBA card that can be used only for extra memory. That would be kinda cool.

      Even on the PSP I have a hard time surfing some sites or opening more than 2 tabs because of the amount of memory on it.

  20. Re:Weird article. Warioware has no multiplayer opt by CableModemSniper · · Score: 1

    This is really bothering me, the only two player game I've got on my copy of warioware is the ping pong. Is it a toy you have to win or something to get wireless multiplay? Did they just make it up? *confused*

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  21. Re:Weird article. Warioware has no multiplayer opt by Ailure · · Score: 1

    It does have a ping-pong minigame. But it dosen't use Wi-fi. Infact it's a game where two people play on the same DS. One person uses the L button, the other person R.

  22. Re:Weird article. Warioware has no multiplayer opt by StocDred · · Score: 1

    That Ping Pong game is the only "multiplayer" game in WarioWare Touched, AFAIK. Both players have to hold the same DS, each player manning a different shoulder button. Terrible waste of potential, but I'm sure a WarioWare Mega Multiplayer Online DS XD is in development.

  23. Multiboot games for GBA by pnice · · Score: 1

    IGN has a good list of games that can be played by multiple people with only one cart using the GBA. This isn't wireless...it's wired multiplayer but it's still a pretty good and interesting list to check out. It's a bit dated so I'm sure they should have more on the list but I thought it might be of interest since we are talking about handhelds and multiplayer.

    Here it is http://gameboy.ign.com/articles/358/358050p1.html

  24. Personal review of Multiplayer Ridge Racer DS by WordUpCousin · · Score: 4, Informative

    WARNING: Do not play multiplayer for this game - it is utterly pointless.

    Ridge Racer's gameplay is really smooth, and while playing multiplayer, you do not ever see any lag (or screen skipping). BUT, for some reason or another, there seems to be a certain delay in the game. For instance, if I'm speeding past my opponent, he won't see it on his screen until a few seconds later. This means, there are certain times during the game where we both can be in first place. Additionally, sometimes I purposely bump my opponent but on their screen, they have a clear path.

    I'd give the game a 1 out of 5 for multiplayer - as the races never reflects its true state... leading to confusion in real-time.

  25. StarcraftDS by macz · · Score: 2, Interesting

    This needs to happen, the stylus makes it feasible at least.

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    ...But I digress. TREMBLE PUNY HUMANS!ONE DAY MY SPECIES WILL DESTROY YOU ALL!
    1. Re:StarcraftDS by PeelBoy · · Score: 1

      or better yet Warcraft 2 ;)

      i never did get into starcraft much. Warcraft 2, now that's my game. Love it.

      Ok I'll compromise. We need both games on the DS and lets not forget about Diablo 2!!!

      I think a Diablo or Baulders Gate style game on the DS would be GREAT. Good multiplayer too!!

    2. Re:StarcraftDS by bleaknik · · Score: 1

      Diablo II.

      Come on. I long await the day when I can visit Ormus away from my PC.

      "You now speak to Ormus. He was once a great mage... but now he sells potions!" :D

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      n. 1. The sensation that you've read this very article before.
    3. Re:StarcraftDS by The+Evil+Couch · · Score: 1
      Diablo on the DS?

      You'd stab a hole through your touch-screen just getting through the first level.

  26. DS bad. The best multiplayer is barely better ... by Qbertino · · Score: 0, Flamebait

    ... than it's GBA Cousin. I read a review of Advance Wars for DS ... and bought a second GBA SP.
    After thoroughly checking out all current protable consoles I have access too (PSP, DS, GBA SP) I've come to following conclusion:

    PSP Upsides: Tres Cool. Looks extremly sexy - also with the power off. Moreso with power on. Grafics simply rock. Has MP3 and memorystick + little PDA apps - nice for non-palm owners (I have one). Wireless.
    PSP Downsides: Price. Price/can-be-dropped ratio is bad. Game prices. Load time. Disk based media (vulnerable).

    DS upsides: Has a close-cover. Touchscreen is what everyone was waiting for. Chip based media. Media small. Downwards compatible 'drives'.
    DS downsides: Ugly. Screen(s) too small/device to big (pick one). Buttons flimsy.
    Touchscreen use is implemented so badly in the line of games I wanna chop of heads over at nintendo *all* the time. I mean what are these people thinking. They've got a frigging TOUCHSCREEN and the thing is more complicated to operate than my Palm? Give me a break!
    The way Nintendo has nearly neglected the possibilities of the touchscreen up til now is a pure insult to customers. DS Need for Speed Underground for instance just screems for being shoved into the developers rectum. Hard. Same with Advance Wars Dual Strike. AW2 GBA with two screens. Great. How long to port? 15 minutes? These Developers deserve a clobbering for this crappy implementation of games. Sorry, but I'm NOT buying. If there ever was a product where Nintendo did a fuckup that they deserved to go broke over, it's this one. Get some developers and built games that actually use the touchscreen, add downward conectivity and a smaller case that doesn't look entirely like some shitty MC Donalds toy. Then come back.
    Games to expensive (especially for that ... well y'know what I mean ...)
    DS games barely better than GBA counterparts (see above)
    Doesn't lan-connect to GBA line or lower (that was the final turn off for me).

    GBA SP Upsides: Small (A whole LAN party kit is still very small). Fairly cheap. Looks cool. (All colors you'd whish for. And then some.) Ten bazillion games that use the entire device. Concole controls difficult for complex games but bearable and actually put to good use - not like that DS Touchscreen fuckup Nintendo has been doing up till now .... ok I'll calm down. Links to GBC and lower.
    GBA SP Downsides: Lacking Schoolyard 'new toy' value for sad and sorry wannabees. No real headphone jack. (To be fixed with the Micro)

    Bottom line:
    A GBA SP. Or two. Doen't make you look silly in public, is affordable and is a seasoned product. Maybe a DS SP will do it. Untill then I've got two SPs and a set of games to have fun with my friends or daughter everywhere. And I'm still cheaper off than with any other.

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  27. Advance Wars Dual Strike by Jackassreefer · · Score: 2, Interesting

    This game is fantastic, I picked it up last week, and am moving through the campaign mode right now. I had to spend the weekend with the in-laws and was able to get some good play time in (yay for hand-helds). The two front war is a great use of the Dual Screens which really adds to the game-play. The Tag-Team CO Power is pretty important to wining a match, as it lets you get two turns in a row, plus both of your CO's Super powers. Make sure your CO's have complimentary skills and use them in the correct order (ie start with the missile attack, the follow up with the tank blitz) They even added a few new units to the game which fill in some gaps that were there nicely. Unfortunatly I don't know anyone who stuck with the DS after the PSP came out. Most of my gaming friends fell for the glitz of the package of the PSP rather than the proven track record of Nintendo mobile gaming. Hopefully as more and more great games like this one come out for the DS and well nothing continues to be released for the PSP, they will come back and I'll be able to try out the multiplay.

  28. There are more multiplayer games by Rolman · · Score: 2, Informative
    Being that the DS is not region-coded, there are some more multiplayer games you can import from Japan. Some of them will never come this side of the pond and some don't require strong language skills (note that Rakubiki Jiten can actually help you improve said skills).

    • Jump Superstars (Smash Bros.-style Fighting)
    • Mr. Driller (Puzzle)
    • Egg Monster Heroes (RPG)
    • Lost in Blue (RPG)
    • Yakuman DS (Puzzle)
    • Egg Monster Heroes (RPG)
    • Prince of Tennis (Sports)
    • Yawaraka Atamajuku (Puzzle)
    • Rakubiki Jiten (Puzzle)
    • Ouendan (Action)


    The list is not complete and there are more multiplayer games coming soon. Too bad I don't have the time to put an Amazon Japan referral site to make some profit from /. as well =)
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    1. Re:There are more multiplayer games by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I can't believe you forgot to mention Egg Monster Heroes!

    2. Re:There are more multiplayer games by PeelBoy · · Score: 1

      I could be seeing things but I'm pretty sure thats the 3rd thing he listed. Perhaps you lover looked it. :)

    3. Re:There are more multiplayer games by BenZoate · · Score: 1

      Mr. Driller wass available at your local Toys R Us. IIRC it can be had for about 20 bucks.

    4. Re:There are more multiplayer games by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      As someone already mentioned, Mr. Driller: Drill Spirits was released in the U.S. a while back. Also, Lost in Blue is set for a stateside release as well. No need to import the Japanese versions.


      I'd be hesitant about recommending Japanese RPGs to people who don't speak the language, unless you enjoy paying $50+ for games that are essentially unplayable. Even Jump Superstars appears to be fairly text-heavy for a fighting game.

  29. Re:DS bad. The best multiplayer is barely better . by Babbster · · Score: 1

    In the future, I recommend keeping your breakfast cereals outside of the bathroom.

  30. What the heck? by Zarian · · Score: 1

    Um some of those games aren't even out yet. Also Metroid prime hunters has been delayed for the Nintendo wifi connection network.

    1. Re:What the heck? by macshome · · Score: 1

      RTFA, they were talking about the demo that was a pack-in with the original run of DS units

  31. PSP *supports* wirelessmulti-play on one disc! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I own both a PSP and a DS, so I'm impartial in regards to my ownership.

    That being said, I hate it when people slam the PSP because of its lack of wireless play off of one disc. That's simply not true.

    I own the Japanese PSP version of Panic Bomber, and it supports wireless play on one PSP. The back of the game case even advertises that option.

    I don't have my PSP system with me at work, but if you look through the main PSP menu, you'll see the wireless download play option.

    If you're going to praise the DS for this feature, the PSP deserves praise too, once they get more games to support it, that is.

    1. Re:PSP *supports* wirelessmulti-play on one disc! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Most DS games actually use this feature unlike most PSP games. Infact I didn't even know the PSP could do this and we have a PSP in the house with a few games for it (all the good ones).

    2. Re:PSP *supports* wirelessmulti-play on one disc! by shidoshi · · Score: 1

      I own both, and very much like both. I wasn't clear enough in what I was saying; yes, the PSP does indeed support that feature. The problem is, as most PSP gamers are much more complex than your typical DS game, I'm not sure that most PSP games CAN do multi-player off of one copy. You're not going to be able to do things like PSP Need for Speed, Madden, and so on. Simpler stuff like puzzle games and whatnot should have no problem, but even though game so far have shown little support for the feature. That's why I'm giving more credit to the DS in this regard - the option is here now, and because the DS is lower-tech, more games are going to be able to use this feature. I would LOVE it if the PSP could do game sharing on the level of the DS, but I just don't think it is technically possible with a lot of the big games.

  32. Use Public Transportation by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I have 2 cars, but I take the bus to work and back every day. It saves a bundle on gas, and it gives me time to sit back and enjoy my Nintendo DS. I actually have more time to play the DS than to play my home consoles.

  33. FPS A.I. (or Artificial Stupidity?) by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Well, despite liking the game myself, and despite the fact that it isn't a real 'true' FPS, you probably do not want to play Geist (Nintendo GameCube).

    They've got surprising accuracy from far away when you pop in view. However, once they start moving in, they do some crazy things. Dancing around, reloading, not shooting at nearby dangers as they prance forward.

    It's a cool game in other regards, but the major hurting point is the 'AI' during the FPS phases.

  34. There is ScummVM for the NDS by aliquis · · Score: 1

    I guess the resolution is to small for starcraft, who knows, maybe the next gameboy?
    UFO would be great.

    Anyway, there is ScummVM for the NDS I think, so atleast you can play things like Monkey Island II.

    1. Re:There is ScummVM for the NDS by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting
      I guess the resolution is to small for starcraft, who knows, maybe the next gameboy?
      Use your imagination! The bottom screen would be a close up where you control units, etc. The topic screen would be the minimap, with a rectangle around the area you are looking at. I think it's perfectly feasible to do real-time star craft on a nintendo DS. If only Blizzard wanted to... (I would buy it in a heartbeat).
    2. Re:There is ScummVM for the NDS by KDR_11k · · Score: 1

      They could use much smaller sprites to fit the same information on the smaller screen.

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  35. Two words... by everphilski · · Score: 1

    Deckard Cain

    Annoying prick... no D2 on DS please, thank you.

    -everphilski-

  36. Advance Wars by ShadowMarth · · Score: 1

    Yeah, Advance Wars tops that list easily. I love mine, but the multiplayer is so much better than just the wireless. The hotseat mode ensures that you can have multiplayer fun even without more than 1 DS.

  37. Re:Weird article. Warioware has no multiplayer opt by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    I'm sure a WarioWare Mega Multiplayer Online DS XD is in development.
    Please $DIETY make this true!!!! :)
  38. Slime World!! by MilenCent · · Score: 1

    Oh yeah, it would be *perfect* for the DS! With download play, you'd only need one cartridge to play the legendary eight-player modes.

    So... who owns the rights to it now?

    1. Re:Slime World!! by The+Lynxpro · · Score: 1

      "Oh yeah, it would be *perfect* for the DS! With download play, you'd only need one cartridge to play the legendary eight-player modes. So... who owns the rights to it now?"

      Probably whichever party owns the rights to the Epyx porfolio of games. Atari didn't outright acquire their portfolio because the game was licensed for the Sega Genesis a year or so after the game made its debut splash (pun intended) on the Atari Lynx platform. Shall we write to Nintendo or Sony about acquiring the title?

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    2. Re:Slime World!! by MilenCent · · Score: 1

      Alas, I don't think writing will help. This would require someone in the industry to have the vision to uncover the rights-holder, license or buy the rights, then make the game themselves, most likely. Considering that Slime World is woefully unknown in gaming these days, and I'd have to say the chances of that happening are slim unless one of us starts our own company.

    3. Re:Slime World!! by The+Lynxpro · · Score: 1

      "Alas, I don't think writing will help. This would require someone in the industry to have the vision to uncover the rights-holder, license or buy the rights, then make the game themselves, most likely. Considering that Slime World is woefully unknown in gaming these days, and I'd have to say the chances of that happening are slim unless one of us starts our own company."

      Bah. Don't give up. I pestered Atari Corp. each month from 1986 to 1990 about licensing (or acquiring the company) the Atari Games Corp. post-1984 arcade library for their machines since consumers such as myself did not know they were two separate companies and thus expected the arcade titles to appear on the Atari branded consoles. I was a very torqued Atari 7800 owner when I found out they were separate companies...and especially torqued when "Gauntlet" appeared on the NES and not the 7800. Finally, my complaints were finally heard.

      Slime World is a gem, but it is obscure. Not many people remember it. But yes, the rights question is troublesome. Here's the Wikipedia entry for Epyx:

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Epyx

      According to this site, most of the Epyx titles are the property of Atari/Hasbro/Atari aka Infogrames:

      http://www.geocities.com/conspiracyprime/e2_epyx.h tm

      If nothing else, the current "Atari" probably owns the handheld rights to the title.

      I'm up for writing a letter to the Atari CEO. Are you? :)

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    4. Re:Slime World!! by MilenCent · · Score: 1

      Hmmm, could be cool....

      BTW, I think the greatest crime is that Slime World's designer is currently reduced to programming Christian educational software. (Well at least it's his own company.)

  39. Re:Of course it could... by wahsapa · · Score: 0

    hey yo, this shit should be funny like +5
    who would'a thought nintendos still alive
    after going up against MS and Sony
    multiplayer where its at, go find ya homies

  40. WiFi vs. DS to DS by Tom+Courtenay · · Score: 1

    I've previously made my thoughts known on the DS and frankly I haven't been too impressed with it.

    That was up until I had a chance to try Kirby & Advance Wars DS.

    Wow. I'm picking up one up in the next couple of weeks....I'll admit when I'm wrong and I was wrong. This thing can work well when the games are properly designed.

    Here's my question:
    Is this a list of DS to DS games (basically like a wireless link cable)? I have read that the unit is capable of playing against units that aren't in your immediate area (ala Xbox Live). If that's true, are these games all capable of it? Any answers on this would be appreciated.

    Humbly doing a 180 over here....

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    1. Re:WiFi vs. DS to DS by macshome · · Score: 1

      Currently DS games are for local WiFi play only. This is changing though very soon.

      Nintendo has a deal with GameSpy to provide meetup services online and soon DS games will be internet enabled, starting with Animal Crossing and Mario Kart. It was also just announced that Metroid: Hunters, was pushed back so that internet play could be added as well.

      And yes, Kirby and Advance Wars: DS are great games.

    2. Re:WiFi vs. DS to DS by yanos · · Score: 1

      True online gaming is supposed to be in hapenning before the year end with game like mario kart and animal crossing. It was said a few time that the service will be free of charge.

      The games mentionned in the article are not online ready, but you can play against your friend provide they also have a DS. Note that they don't need the actual game cartridge, just the machine.