What is surprising is it appears nobody at Blizzard considered population caps on servers.
WOuld seem obvious to anyone that's ever played or been involved with any MMORPG anywhere that servers need population caps, period.
THe excuse they didn't see this coming really can't wash, unless they are blind. I bet some managment turd is the reason for no caps, surely teh technical guys mentioned it. Hah. No more need to be said.
I was there too. For a good 2 months after Diablo 2 went gold the closed realm servers were virtually unplayable. After about 2 months they got things running much smoother. That said it took a good 3 months for them to get the servers and server code up to snuff, fairly reasonable level of snuff anyway.
I recall being very disappointed and bitter those first 2 months. I recall giving up for the first 2 months for sure and played the game offline. Least with THAT game one had that option.
I was really unhappy at paying full bore max price (50 plus dollars at the time as my memory recalls) for the product and having it unplayble as I had expected it to be played, ONLINE via CLOSED realms (so as to avoid cheating asswipes as adverstised on the box).
This observer can't be surprised they have had massive problems with WoW. I'm not unhappy I came to the conclusion (some years back) it is best to wait at least six months after a product goes 'gold' before considering purchase. For someone like me, experienced, to run out and buy WoW at release would require a level of stupidity even I can not meet.
To the current crop of WoW whiners (the ones who should know better yet for some reason do not) I wave my now empty wine glass at them and toss them some rank mouldy cheese to gnaw on while they huddle and moan in thier damp, piss stained, little corner of the world.
What I notice is people seem to have thresholds. SOme folke handle 'problems' and still enjoy their gaming dollar spent. Others with similar problems find their dollar horribly mispent and cry either silently and fold the door or cry loudly and wake the neighbors.
Us jaded non WoW/EQ2 outsiders will wait it out and thank you for your hard work.
Okay, I'm no PC gaming spring chicken. 48 years old and been around the block twice when it comes to computer games. Recent related experience: I was with DAOC from near the start of their launch, Blizzards Diablo2 as well. Was a fewl and bought Never Winter Nights at release..etc. (all the above bought at release)
What sage advice do I have for all the whining crybabys out there that can't seem to learn from experience? Allow me to beat it into your thick crybaby skulls.
Item one.: When it comes to massive online games in particular, NEVER buy the game until it has been out for AT LEAST six months. Period. THis also applies to games that are not massive online items. Any game released these days usually has a patch/fix cycle during first six months AT LEAST, other sad cases take up to ayear to get 'right', if ever. Major Added bonus. TIred of paying 50-70 bux up front for games? WAIT. I picked up Morrowind for 10 bux just a few weeks back.
Item two: As it relates to Blizzard history directly. Blizzard had a similar problem with the release of Diablo2. THe game was unplayble more or less for the first six months of release, until Blizzard fixed the servers. (Yes I'm refering to closed server realm play not the games some random gaming jackass hosted on his/her PC>)
Item THree: Any online game of noteworthy populatrity will have launch problems Problems to be expected with the launch of WoW were written all over the wall. I propose to you that anyone with any gaming experience at all that did not understand that going into the agreement with Blizzard at the outset is a profound idiot. Period. Blame yourself not Blizzard. Sit back and wait for them to fix it, they will I'm sure... er.. yeah,... sure they will.
Item 4: Meanwhile while all you are testing it and paying Blizzards bill and paying for their $80,000+ (ha) cars I'll enjoy offline gaming and consider buying WoW or maybe EQ2 sometime this summer. More likely, I'll wait until next fall. By then I expect both will have some shakedown things squared away and the games can be properly evaluated. As a added bonus I would expect the shelf price to drop by then. See, I'm one of the ones that concluded it was a ripoff to pay 50 bux plus up front for any online game that required a monthly service fee to enjoy it. If the games in question still cost that much by summer-fall of this year I simply won't buy them. No whining needed.
Bottome line, if your one of the whiner crybabys STFU and buck up. Cancel the account or STFU. Wait till they fix it and come back or STFU.
Cheerio, I hope I offended some of you. Have a nice day..
Well, I know with Dark Ages of Camelot they have not deleted any accounts to date no matter how long inactive. I quit that game on two occasions, well make that three, the last time I think will be permanant for me. Hah. Quit 3rd time last July and haven't looked back since.
ANyway, the 2nd time my account was inactive/nonpayed for 8 months almost. Characters were all there when I returned.
Mythic has stated they have no intention of deleting old inactive accounts YET. That may change though I'm sure at some point.
Well, being a oaf I do not care if I offend anyone.
It could be this guy in the source article is just to stupid to be running a PC. Period. Sorry but that's the truth.
I'm no GD rocket scientist. Actually I'm a dull nail in the intellect department. 48 years old , high school diploma, a few years of Jr College in Automotive Mechanics and some other 'trade' courses. Yeah, I like to read, am an ex Advanced Class Ham licencee (I let it drop a few years back) and I jumped on the PC bandwagon back when they were selling COmmodore Vic20's.. my first 'pc'.
Today I run a Win98 box (before that I ran OS/2), I enjoy my share of porn, illicit software and what all. If anyone should be infected with mass problems via virii, spyware, etc, it should be me. Being on cable now and all, I have access to far more than I had before.
I'm not infected, I do not have problems.
But I do take defensive measures. I'm not a total dumbfck as it appears too many 'old pro's' (as I believe the guy in the article was described) are. I do have to spend too much time doing the defensive thing but for crying out loud it is not something that is so difficult a person of average intellect can manage.
I'm sorry but they are just to GD stupid to be on the internet then. NO excuse for a 'old timer' PC user to be in such a state of computing stupidity. Period.
If his old timer dumbass can do it and stay uninfected then I suspect, those that can not are just too damn lazy to go and learn something new. Too lazy to bother to read and learn about what they need to do. If it is that difficult for them it is not so hard to learn that the best defense for someone that lazy is to buy and run a Apple Mac. (I've never owned one, they always *were* too expensive for me).
Now, having said all that I hope I offended some of you. Honestly you deserve being offended.
Yeah, makes ya wonder don't it? THe folk we 'trust' in government are often far stupider than we can imagine or credit. That's one reason why we all should have a distrust of anything govermental or corporate. Period.
On the other hand.. ponder this. Maybe this is all just one giant planetary 'honey pot'. Reach in and grab some and surely, someone, someTHING somewhere, is watching. Think about that too long and your head may start to hurt.
Mum may have been right.....
Then again, she may have been one of 'them'.
This could all be part of some ULTRA Backdoor Psych Op to engage massive population reverse psychology and lure us into a false sense of paranoia....
HAH, Oh me Gawd. Of all the other ideas and 'moral to the story' distillations I've thought of and read to date here on/. this one takes the cake. YOu win the purple ribbon!
Hell of it is, after pondering it for some minutes you may be right. Damn staight. Makes sense to me. (I am twisted)
A freaking PR stunt. It probably will work too given the generic level of intellect we humans seem to exude. KUDOS for reminding me of the 'angle'.
THe guy (at the company in question) who dreampt up this alledged PR Stunt must have taken a page from J.R Warbler character found in H. Ron Hubbards 'Invasion Earth' series.
I think there are plenty of story 'morals' to go around in this one. Here are a couple or so of the key ones I pulled from it:
First: A big company (Tmobile in THIS case) with lots of cash can hire people that supposedly know how to set up secure networks. Without arguing how cometent THEY were or are, it goes without saying they are probably more competent and knowledgeable than the countless hordes of joe blows out setting up home networks. What chance do ya have , Joe Blow? Not much. COver your ass and pray. Be paranoid and you have good reason to be.
Second big moral: Ties to above. Same story but different outfit. United STates Secret Service compromised by bad practices. How freaking ironic and sad. It goes to show now matter how smart and hip you think YOU are you can be a total freaking idiot and be holed by the 'enemy'.
I found the story very interesting and it encapusulates so well the issues affecting ANYONE connected to the electronic web we all use. NO matter how GD smart you think you are you can be hosed. It is with good reason to be paranoid about your personal information. THAT IS THE MORAL.
I spammed everyone I knew on various email lists with this story in hopes SOME OF THE CLUELESS I know will read it and understand in some small aspect some of what I tend to rant about when it comes to computer security in general and when I go off on my MS bashing tangents what that is about as well.
I suppose another moral is no matter how often those of us that try to lead the horse to water, the stupid jackass will continue to refuse to drink and die.
For all you banging on these guys as being 'bigots' may I direct you to the latest world event ?
While America is being blasted for being 'stingy' in responce to the earthquake driven disastor in South East Asia and elsewhere where is China? Hmm?
Where is the great praise of the wonderful CHinese contribution in assistance and aide to the many MILLIONS in need? SUrely, with all the BILLIONS we Americans send to the needy CHinese via WalMart and other suppliers they could pitch in in a big way, eh? Hmm?
I submit there is no news of such aide and assistance because there is NONE. Please, let us all know of the aide if it is there I'm sure we would all like to be corrected.
I submit the alleged 'trolls' are not trolls at all but merely observers of truth. What some of you lack I'm afraid is a exposure to history. China is a brutal country. Has been and is. Will that change? One can only hope. In the meantime it is run by Communists and tyranny. One day, maybe, democracy can flourish there. In the meantime recognise China for what it is.
IN the meantime I'm sure you will continue to blast American and Americans for being the ultimate evil in the world. One can only hope you open your eyes in time, before Red China or Militant Islam burys you in the dirt.
Okay, with some eager anticipation I joined the torrent, downloaded and left torrent up whilst I slept. I figured I'd try the install and game later the next day.
Next day events:
Spent more time on the games web site to garner info. painful in the extreme as the site is still nearly dead.
Installed game (This is on a WIn98se system)
Install seemed to go fine.
As per the newbie guide found in a acrane corner located at a link off games main site I ran the update link . That opened a GD DOS?! WTF, window and spit out the following error.
LoadLibraryEx(D:\Program Files\Games\PlaneShift Crystal Blue\vfs.dll) error 11 57: One of the library files needed to run this application cannot be found. WARNING: could not load plugin 'crystalspace.kernel.vfs' Couldn't load VFS plugin "crystalspace.kernel.vfs"! ERROR: csInitializer::SetupConfigManager failed! Is your CRYSTAL environment variable set? Exiting Planeshift. Press Enter...
Okay, wonderful. I even tried the setup game link as recomende in the now useless to me newbie guide.
Look, I'm no computing novice. I've been around them since 1985. I don't expect a LOT from a beta-alpha package but for gods sake that is inexcusable BS. THis package is a total waste of time if the developers can do no better than that for a INSTALL. THere is no excuse other that total incompetence. Sorry. Okay, maybe I'll grant sloppyness and failure to execute due diligence.
LOL. I gave up trying to log in on the games main forum site to post query as WTF could I be doing so wrong, the site is just dead. Maybe in a week or two it will revive.
IN the meantime this game isn't worth the torrent space in my un humble opinion. Based on how it idiotically failed to pass a simple install and setup on this system it is junkware. Period.
I do hope though, that someday I can access the games forums and find out WTF I could have done so wrong as to cause it to bomb as listed above. Amazing.
Dear Asshole:
We don't have Gmail accounts nor can get one.
If you want to post something informative and useful why not wait till we can all sign up for a Gmail account rather than some select elite group of pimple popping mutant teenagers with bad odours and attitudes to match?
Besides , who gives a shit it's just yet another free web based email system.
Have I offended anyone? Good. Kiss my ass.
Have a nice day.
Actually discreet does not mean 'secret' so
much as it means discerning, tactful, circumspect..
Or you could just use this link:
http://www.hyperdictionary.com/search.aspx?define= discreet
Thanks for highlighting the difference though. It is informative unlike the vast majority of posts on slashdot these days.
As for the guy with the Nazi comment. Fuck you.
That's the summary I posted to the BBC feedback.
Others here have done far better job of the fine nits than I could. So I just summerised and informed them there at BBC that the 'reporter' in question is a HACK.
As of Monday morning I see a blank page
at http://ifh.firstones.com/index.shtml
and at http://ifh.firstones.com/
and at http://ifh.firstones.com/download.shtml
All I could load was the faq page and a screenshot
at the screenshot page.
Sort of useless website as I see it. Did it ever have more info?
Can anyone here submit some working download links? Or maybe that is too risky come to think of it.
Maybe better yet can someone from that project come here and tell us what is up with the web site??
Us late comers would love to download that file.
Cheers.
Uhoh, Sorry to reply to my own post but during my
posting procedure the page has slowly begun to load a few pictures. 10 minutes has passed.
This is intolerable. You people get to work.
CODE ORANGE back in effect until this problem is
corrected.
Whew, for a minute there I thought something was very wrong with the boss's site. I copied the URL and loaded up the page and was shocked to see it do so. However it has stalled and no pictures or anything else visible for over 5 minutes now.
Turns out everything is working as expected. It loads a few headers then stalls out.
Back to code YELLOW everyone. All is normal.
Everythng is
I don't know which is more disheartening.
The post itself, the rantings of an ignorant fool who is obviously filled with hatred. The post is filled with indicators of vast ignorance. That is
the posters right of course and never stopped fools from posting before this.
More importantly:
The fact that this bilge is considered INSIGHTFUL by the readers of Slashdot.
INSIGHTFUL? Idiotic flame bait at best would be the vote from a sane reader who has any historical accurate perspective at all.
I have no clue who all is voting here but you can't be sane sage adults.
Slashdot Mirror
HUSH.
What, you want them all to come to your server and muck it up? HUSH.
What is surprising is it appears nobody at Blizzard
considered population caps on servers.
WOuld seem obvious to anyone that's ever played or been involved with any MMORPG anywhere that servers need population caps, period.
THe excuse they didn't see this coming really can't wash, unless they are blind. I bet some managment turd is the reason for no caps, surely teh technical guys mentioned it. Hah. No more need to be said.
Hmm, you must live in an alternate reality.
I was there too. For a good 2 months after Diablo 2 went gold the closed realm servers were virtually unplayable. After about 2 months they got things running much smoother. That said it took a good 3 months for them to get the servers and server code up to snuff, fairly reasonable level of snuff anyway.
I recall being very disappointed and bitter those first 2 months. I recall giving up for the first 2 months for sure and played the game offline. Least with THAT game one had that option.
I was really unhappy at paying full bore max price (50 plus dollars at the time as my memory recalls) for the product and having it unplayble as I had expected it to be played, ONLINE via CLOSED realms (so as to avoid cheating asswipes as adverstised on the box).
This observer can't be surprised they have had massive problems with WoW. I'm not unhappy I came to the conclusion (some years back) it is best to wait at least six months after a product goes 'gold' before considering purchase. For someone like me, experienced, to run out and buy WoW at release would require a level of stupidity even I can not meet.
To the current crop of WoW whiners (the ones who
should know better yet for some reason do not) I wave my now empty wine glass at them and toss them some rank mouldy cheese to gnaw on while they huddle and moan in thier damp, piss stained, little corner of the world.
Oops, there I go being offensive again.
Sigh.
Hey, his sig explains his situation.
Well that's good to hear.
What I notice is people seem to have thresholds. SOme folke handle 'problems' and still enjoy their gaming dollar spent. Others with similar problems find their dollar horribly mispent and cry either silently and fold the door or cry loudly and wake the neighbors.
Us jaded non WoW/EQ2 outsiders will wait it out and thank you for your hard work.
Cheerio.
Okay, I'm no PC gaming spring chicken. 48 years old and been around the block twice when it comes to computer games. Recent related experience: I was with DAOC from near the start of their launch, Blizzards Diablo2 as well. Was a fewl and bought Never Winter Nights at release..etc. (all the above bought at release)
What sage advice do I have for all the whining crybabys out there that can't seem to learn from experience? Allow me to beat it into your thick crybaby skulls.
Item one.: When it comes to massive online games in particular, NEVER buy the game until it has been out for AT LEAST six months. Period. THis also applies to games that are not massive online items. Any game released these days usually has a patch/fix cycle during first six months AT LEAST, other sad cases take up to ayear to get 'right', if ever. Major Added bonus. TIred of paying 50-70 bux up front for games? WAIT. I picked up Morrowind for 10 bux just a few weeks back.
Item two: As it relates to Blizzard history directly. Blizzard had a similar problem with the release of Diablo2. THe game was unplayble more or less for the first six months of release, until Blizzard fixed the servers. (Yes I'm refering to closed server realm play not the games some random
gaming jackass hosted on his/her PC>)
Item THree: Any online game of noteworthy populatrity will have launch problems Problems to be expected with the launch of WoW were written all over the wall. I propose to you that anyone with any gaming experience at all that did not understand that going into the agreement with Blizzard at the outset is a profound idiot. Period. Blame yourself not Blizzard. Sit back and wait for them to fix it, they will I'm sure... er.. yeah
Item 4: Meanwhile while all you are testing it and paying Blizzards bill and paying for their $80,000+ (ha) cars I'll enjoy offline gaming and consider buying WoW or maybe EQ2 sometime this summer. More likely, I'll wait until next fall. By then I expect both will have some shakedown things squared away and the games can be properly evaluated. As a added bonus I would expect the shelf price to drop by then. See, I'm one of the ones that concluded it was a ripoff to pay 50 bux plus up front for any online game that required a monthly service fee to enjoy it. If the games in question still cost that much by summer-fall of this year I simply won't buy them. No whining needed.
Bottome line, if your one of the whiner crybabys
STFU and buck up. Cancel the account or STFU. Wait till they fix it and come back or STFU.
Cheerio, I hope I offended some of you. Have a nice day
Well, I know with Dark Ages of Camelot they have not deleted any accounts to date no matter how long inactive. I quit that game on two occasions, well make that three, the last time I think will be permanant for me. Hah. Quit 3rd time last July and haven't looked back since. ANyway, the 2nd time my account was inactive/nonpayed for 8 months almost. Characters were all there when I returned. Mythic has stated they have no intention of deleting old inactive accounts YET. That may change though I'm sure at some point.
Well, being a oaf I do not care if I offend anyone.
It could be this guy in the source article is just to stupid to be running a PC. Period. Sorry but that's the truth.
I'm no GD rocket scientist. Actually I'm a dull nail in the intellect department. 48 years old , high school diploma, a few years of Jr College in
Automotive Mechanics and some other 'trade' courses. Yeah, I like to read, am an ex Advanced Class Ham licencee (I let it drop a few years back) and I jumped on the PC bandwagon back when they were selling COmmodore Vic20's.. my first 'pc'.
Today I run a Win98 box (before that I ran OS/2), I enjoy my share of porn, illicit software and what all. If anyone should be infected with mass problems via virii, spyware, etc, it should be me. Being on cable now and all, I have access to far more than I had before.
I'm not infected, I do not have problems.
But I do take defensive measures. I'm not a total
dumbfck as it appears too many 'old pro's' (as I believe the guy in the article was described) are.
I do have to spend too much time doing the defensive thing but for crying out loud it is not something that is so difficult a person of average intellect can manage.
I'm sorry but they are just to GD stupid to be on the internet then. NO excuse for a 'old timer' PC user to be in such a state of computing stupidity. Period.
If his old timer dumbass can do it and stay uninfected then I suspect, those that can not are just too damn lazy to go and learn something new.
Too lazy to bother to read and learn about what they need to do. If it is that difficult for them it is not so hard to learn that the best defense for someone that lazy is to buy and run a Apple Mac. (I've never owned one, they always *were* too expensive for me).
Now, having said all that I hope I offended some of you. Honestly you deserve being offended.
Ptui.
Yeah, makes ya wonder don't it? THe folk we 'trust' in government are often far stupider than we
can imagine or credit. That's one reason why we all should have a distrust of anything govermental or corporate. Period.
On the other hand.. ponder this. Maybe this is all just one giant planetary 'honey pot'. Reach in and grab some and surely, someone, someTHING somewhere, is watching. Think about that too long and your head may start to hurt.
Mum may have been right.....
Then again, she may have been one of 'them'.
This could all be part of some ULTRA Backdoor
Psych Op to engage massive population reverse psychology and lure us into a false sense of paranoia....
I drank too much tea methinks....
Cheers.
HAH, Oh me Gawd. Of all the other ideas and 'moral to the story' distillations I've thought of and read to date here on
Hell of it is, after pondering it for some minutes you may be right. Damn staight. Makes sense to me. (I am twisted)
A freaking PR stunt. It probably will work too given the generic level of intellect we humans seem to exude. KUDOS for reminding me of the 'angle'.
THe guy (at the company in question) who dreampt up this alledged PR Stunt must have taken a page from J.R Warbler character found in H. Ron Hubbards 'Invasion Earth' series.
Some of us do learn from example.
HAHA>
I think there are plenty of story 'morals' to go around in this one. Here are a couple or so of the key ones I pulled from it:
First: A big company (Tmobile in THIS case) with lots of cash can hire people that supposedly know how to set up secure networks. Without arguing how cometent THEY were or are, it goes without saying they are probably more competent and knowledgeable than the countless hordes of joe blows out setting up home networks. What chance do ya have , Joe Blow? Not much. COver your ass and pray. Be paranoid and you have good reason to be.
Second big moral: Ties to above. Same story but different outfit. United STates Secret Service compromised by bad practices. How freaking ironic and sad. It goes to show now matter how smart and
hip you think YOU are you can be a total freaking idiot and be holed by the 'enemy'.
I found the story very interesting and it encapusulates so well the issues affecting ANYONE connected to the electronic web we all use. NO matter how GD smart you think you are you can be hosed. It is with good reason to be paranoid about your personal information. THAT IS THE MORAL.
I spammed everyone I knew on various email lists with this story in hopes SOME OF THE CLUELESS I know will read it and understand in some small aspect some of what I tend to rant about when it comes to computer security in general and when I go off on my MS bashing tangents what that is about as well.
I suppose another moral is no matter how often those of us that try to lead the horse to water, the stupid jackass will continue to refuse to drink and die.
Signed:
Paranoid and for good reason.
For all you banging on these guys as being 'bigots' may I direct you to the latest world event ?
While America is being blasted for being 'stingy' in responce to the earthquake driven disastor in South East Asia and elsewhere where is China? Hmm?
Where is the great praise of the wonderful CHinese contribution in assistance and aide to the many MILLIONS in need? SUrely, with all the BILLIONS we Americans send to the needy CHinese via WalMart and other suppliers they could pitch in in a big way, eh? Hmm?
I submit there is no news of such aide and assistance because there is NONE. Please, let us all know of the aide if it is there I'm sure we would all like to be corrected.
I submit the alleged 'trolls' are not trolls at all but merely observers of truth. What some of you lack I'm afraid is a exposure to history. China is a brutal country. Has been and is. Will that change? One can only hope. In the meantime it is run by Communists and tyranny. One day, maybe, democracy can flourish there. In the meantime recognise China for what it is.
IN the meantime I'm sure you will continue to blast American and Americans for being the ultimate evil in the world. One can only hope you open your eyes in time, before Red China or Militant Islam burys you in the dirt.
Okay, with some eager anticipation I joined the torrent, downloaded and left torrent up whilst I slept. I figured I'd try the install and game later the next day.
Next day events:
Spent more time on the games web site to garner info. painful in the extreme as the site is still nearly dead.
Installed game (This is on a WIn98se system)
Install seemed to go fine.
As per the newbie guide found in a acrane corner located at a link off games main site I ran the
update link . That opened a GD DOS?! WTF, window and spit out the following error.
LoadLibraryEx(D:\Program Files\Games\PlaneShift Crystal Blue\vfs.dll) error 11
57: One of the library files needed to run this application cannot be found.
WARNING: could not load plugin 'crystalspace.kernel.vfs'
Couldn't load VFS plugin "crystalspace.kernel.vfs"!
ERROR: csInitializer::SetupConfigManager failed!
Is your CRYSTAL environment variable set?
Exiting Planeshift. Press Enter...
Okay, wonderful. I even tried the setup game link as recomende in the now useless to me newbie guide.
Look, I'm no computing novice. I've been around them since 1985. I don't expect a LOT from a beta-alpha package but for gods sake that is inexcusable BS. THis package is a total waste of time if the developers can do no better than that for a INSTALL. THere is no excuse other that total incompetence. Sorry. Okay, maybe I'll grant sloppyness and failure to execute due diligence.
LOL. I gave up trying to log in on the games main
forum site to post query as WTF could I be doing so wrong, the site is just dead. Maybe in a week or two it will revive.
IN the meantime this game isn't worth the torrent space in my un humble opinion. Based on how it idiotically failed to pass a simple install and setup on this system it is junkware. Period.
I do hope though, that someday I can access the games forums and find out WTF I could have done so wrong as to cause it to bomb as listed above. Amazing.
Dear Asshole: We don't have Gmail accounts nor can get one. If you want to post something informative and useful why not wait till we can all sign up for a Gmail account rather than some select elite group of pimple popping mutant teenagers with bad odours and attitudes to match? Besides , who gives a shit it's just yet another free web based email system. Have I offended anyone? Good. Kiss my ass. Have a nice day.
Actually discreet does not mean 'secret' so much as it means discerning, tactful, circumspect.. Or you could just use this link: http://www.hyperdictionary.com/search.aspx?define= discreet
Thanks for highlighting the difference though. It is informative unlike the vast majority of posts on slashdot these days.
As for the guy with the Nazi comment. Fuck you.
Bzzzzt. Wrong. IT is currently about a 10 minute trip at light speed ONE way between Earth and Mars. So....20 minutes, about, round trip.
"Lets get drunk and make shit up."
.
That's the summary I posted to the BBC feedback.
Others here have done far better job of the fine nits than I could. So I just summerised and informed
them there at BBC that the 'reporter' in question is
a HACK.
As of Monday morning I see a blank page at http://ifh.firstones.com/index.shtml and at http://ifh.firstones.com/ and at http://ifh.firstones.com/download.shtml All I could load was the faq page and a screenshot at the screenshot page. Sort of useless website as I see it. Did it ever have more info? Can anyone here submit some working download links? Or maybe that is too risky come to think of it. Maybe better yet can someone from that project come here and tell us what is up with the web site?? Us late comers would love to download that file. Cheers.
Uhoh, Sorry to reply to my own post but during my posting procedure the page has slowly begun to load a few pictures. 10 minutes has passed. This is intolerable. You people get to work. CODE ORANGE back in effect until this problem is corrected.
Whew, for a minute there I thought something was very wrong with the boss's site. I copied the URL and loaded up the page and was shocked to see it do so. However it has stalled and no pictures or anything else visible for over 5 minutes now. Turns out everything is working as expected. It loads a few headers then stalls out. Back to code YELLOW everyone. All is normal. Everythng is
I don't know which is more disheartening. The post itself, the rantings of an ignorant fool who is obviously filled with hatred. The post is filled with indicators of vast ignorance. That is the posters right of course and never stopped fools from posting before this. More importantly: The fact that this bilge is considered INSIGHTFUL by the readers of Slashdot. INSIGHTFUL? Idiotic flame bait at best would be the vote from a sane reader who has any historical accurate perspective at all. I have no clue who all is voting here but you can't be sane sage adults.
Yeah, looks like it does, if this screenshot is any indication: http://www.devilwhiskey.com/screens/screen8.jpg Looks like a mapper to me.